Game #130 -- New York Yankees at Detroit Tigers
New York Yankees
Johnny Damon, DH
Melky Cabrera, CF
Bobby Abreu, RF
Alex Rodriguez, 3B
Hideki Matsui, LF
Jason Giambi, 1B
Robinson Cano, 2B
Wilson Betemit, SS
Jose Molina, C
Phil Hughes, RHP (2-1, 4.96)
Detroit Tigers
Curtis Granderson, CF
Plácido Polanco, 2B
Marcus Thames, DH
Magglio Ordóñez, RF
Carlos Guillen, SS
Ivan Rodriguez, C
Sean Casey, 1B
Brandon Inge, 3B
Cameron Maybin, LF
Jair Jurrjens, RHP (1-1, 3.29)
Both starters are making their first career starts against the opposition. Interestingly enough, both have outpitched and beaten Fausto Carmona within the past two weeks.
In fact, Jurrjens has made two major league starts and both were against Carmona -- a pretty tough challenge for anyone, much less a youngster. Gotta wonder how the Yankee offense will handle this kid since we all know that they tend to have trouble with pitchers they've never seen.
Speaking of offense, Hideki Matsui is hitting .405 (30-74), 2 HR, 16 RBI, and 18 runs scored in his last 19 games. Must be the porn.
Pete Abraham reports that Ian Kennedy will not be among the minor leaguers called up to the big club when the rosters expand on Sept 1. Although disappointing, it's not exactly shocking news considering the strict innings cap the organization has on him.
The featured graphic for today's game is an alternate team logo of the Detroit Tigers from 1967 to 1977.
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I-Rod's back in the lineup
He also calls
by Mr Farley on Aug 26, 2007 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahem
by StrappedYankee on Aug 26, 2007 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Stole a base
by StrappedYankee on Aug 26, 2007 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
ok
by StrappedYankee on Aug 26, 2007 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Free today on MLB.tv
Huh
by PsiFighter37 on Aug 26, 2007 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
What a start
Awful
P
Hm
by PsiFighter37 on Aug 26, 2007 1:26 PM EDT reply actions
He's still young
by Mr Farley on Aug 26, 2007 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
The "Franchise"
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 1:32 PM EDT reply actions
Giambi needs to be playing everyday
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 1:33 PM EDT reply actions
I can't agree with this...
by uflyibuy on Aug 26, 2007 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
He can DH
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
You never like to see an injury
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 1:34 PM EDT reply actions
Huh
I thought he got whiplash
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't that
by Mr Farley on Aug 26, 2007 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as Phil stops pitching badly...
by PsiFighter37 on Aug 26, 2007 1:41 PM EDT reply actions
He did the same
Doesn't matter
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Hughes
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 2:01 PM EDT reply actions
I still think he's a lock for the rotation
However, this is why I don't think Moose is going to get traded and Kennedy moved to the rotation.
I know these kids have a lot of talent, but I just can't see the Yanks coming out of Spring Training with 60% of the rotation comprised of rookies.
I am scared to see IPK
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Why are we so surprised?
Honestly, though, it's not like they would have been much worse than Hughes has been.
by PsiFighter37 on Aug 26, 2007 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
That is true
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Growing pains
It's unfortunate he's having them in the middle of the wild card chase, but this will help him be a better pitcher next year.
I hope so
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
He has shown
Too early to tell if he'll be a #1 or a #3, but he'll be fine.
Look at the first years of guys like Smoltz and Clemens.
Flashes of brilliance
He has shown flashes
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
If Cashtard keeps his ground
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I gotta believe
Hughes was the best of the bunch
But, it seems like most of the "experts" on evaluating kids says Joba is going to be better.
I know Keith Law and others subscribe to this theory.
After watching Hughes
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to make excuses for him...
Leiter was just talking about how he needs to develop a third pitch to be effective.
I thought Hughes had a change-up?
I guess it's not developed as much as we were told because I don't recall seeing him throw one in the last few starts.
We can make excuses all day
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone
It's fine if you're giving up on this season, today would mark the 10,000th time you've done that.
But throwing Hughes under the bus for next year is bad even for you.
Not giving up
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
So you're not giving up
They have a very good chance at catching Seattle or Anaheim given the schedule.
And if they make it they will be a very tough out.
My position remains the same
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Um
If the Yanks don't have enough time to catch the M's how does Detroit?
Not sure if you noticed
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I did notice
Of Seattle, the Yanks, and Detroit, Detroit is playing the worst baseball and has the most problems - they just lost another starter today. And the Yankees are two games ahead of them even after losing today.
Detroit is a dumb pick, unless they win the division. In that case Cleveland would be a dumb pick. Only one of them is going to make it.
I did read it again
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Hughes needs to throw more fastballs
He falls in love with the curve too much.
Molina
He could throw
Now that is 5-4
by StrappedYankee on Aug 26, 2007 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Pitching stat
What happened?
by PsiFighter37 on Aug 26, 2007 2:21 PM EDT reply actions
Hughes
Again,
molina is slow
by BillyBobisdrunk on Aug 26, 2007 2:32 PM EDT reply actions
Only if
by StrappedYankee on Aug 26, 2007 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh no you didn't
We need to "grind"
by StrappedYankee on Aug 26, 2007 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Detroit announcers
by SP on Aug 26, 2007 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I said this earlier....
Maybe I'm wrong, but wasn't he supposed to have a change-up as well?
Obviously, if he does, it's not nearly as developed as we were told because I don't recall him throwing it at all since his return.
True
by StrappedYankee on Aug 26, 2007 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Small victories....
Ah
by StrappedYankee on Aug 26, 2007 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Some perspective...
12.19.84
9.23.85
6.24.86
I'm sure everyone here is already aware, but perhaps it's good to refresh everyone's memory. Those, my friends, are the birthdates of Ian Kennedy, Joba Chamberlain, & Phil Hughes, respectively. Hughes is a 1 1/2 yrs. younger than IPK. But do you see him down in the minors getting the kid gloves treatment? Nope. He's up here banging with the big boys in the American league--and he just turned 21.
Yes, he has struggled at times. Today is a great illustration. Some control problems. Gave up a couple of big flies. Certainly not an epic performance. But, also note that he's only given up 4 hits through 6, has a WHIP below 1.00, and a 6:1 K/BB ratio. Not anywhere close to being a "bedshitting". The evidence suggests that there are far more reasons to be excited about his future than cynical.
Once he elevates the mental side of his game to equal his physical gifts, I truly believe he is going to be a quality pitcher in the bigs for a long time. Bank on that.
by uflyibuy on Aug 26, 2007 3:14 PM EDT reply actions
They absolutely treated Hughes
They capped his innings last season just like they are now doing with IPK.
Hughes' big problem right now is the same as many other pitchers his age.
He's falling behind hitters at times and then grooving a fastball when they know it's coming.
Too many walks is a problem for him too.
The point is...
by uflyibuy on Aug 26, 2007 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't expect him to a #1
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Hughes is going to be
I remember watching Greg Maddux in Chicago his rookie season and he got lit up all the time.
Farnsworthless
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 3:19 PM EDT reply actions
It's a shame that Farnsworth
Too bad his 10 cent head gets the best of him most of the time.
This is it!!
by BillyBobisdrunk on Aug 26, 2007 3:23 PM EDT reply actions
Melky really needs to stop sliding
How do players not understand that they slow themselves down?
Torre should sit him
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I think so too
If he did, Cano would have been benched a few times this season for all of the boneheaded mistakes he's made.
You're right
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
True
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Also true....
They may keep Damon simply because Giambi's health is always a concern now and they may need him for depth.
An expensive bench player, but I don't know that a bunch of teams are going to hammer Cashman's door down to take on that contract.
I don't think so
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Something tells me
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe
Sliding into first base is retarded, but benching a guy for doing it in the middle of a playoff chase is twice as retarded.
You also bench a guy
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not defiance
Roberto Alomar slid into first base all the time. I'm guessing a guy as valuable as him was told on many occasions not to do it.
It's a fineable offense, not a benchable offense.
We can agree to disagree
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I always wondered..
by BobbyNYC on Aug 26, 2007 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Just the opposite
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
with Boston coming up
by BillyBobisdrunk on Aug 26, 2007 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Tomorrow
by StrappedYankee on Aug 26, 2007 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Leiter
Shit
by PsiFighter37 on Aug 26, 2007 3:46 PM EDT reply actions
Yup
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He wasn't great
They should have been able to score more runs against Durbin and Seay.
Really?
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeter must be hurting
Damn
Fuck
by PsiFighter37 on Aug 26, 2007 3:49 PM EDT reply actions
How's that Matsui play
Not as bad
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
root for the Rangers tonight
by BillyBobisdrunk on Aug 26, 2007 3:51 PM EDT reply actions
Giving both jeter and Posada
Let's Go MARINERS!....
by LongBeachDave on Aug 26, 2007 3:59 PM EDT reply actions
Goes to show every game counts
Yankee fans are often way too reactionary
Seattle has an enormously tough schedule coming up and they are going to lose ground in the WC standings.
Their next 10-game road trip is brutal:
1 @ CLE
3 @ TOR
3 @ NYY
3 @ DET
They are going to be playing a lot of tough games in Sept and the Yanks' brutal schedule is almost over.
I still say the Yanks will win the WildCard.
One problem
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Wang will be fine
Hughes will get better the more he pitches because he's also not going to face many elite teams in September.
Clemens is Clemens. He has a stinker once in awhile, but he's solid more often that not.
I guess I'm a "glass is half full" type of guy with this team because their success the last decade.
You, on the other hand, have always seemed like a glass is full of a "prison cocktail" (blood/urine/feces) type of guy.
Just my observation over the past two years I've been visiting/moderating PA.
I agree
What Hughes did today - 6IP, 5 runs, would be a win for the Yanks more often than not.
In addition, their bullpen outside of Henn has been dominant the past week or so.
Of further benefit to the Yanks, Seattle and LAA are tied in the loss column, and they have 7 games left to play against one another.
I admit that I am highly critical of the team
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I totally get that...
However, financial advantage or not, no team is going to win every season no matter who they are.
Dynasties always end at some point and an organization has to rebuild sooner or later.
It happens in every sport -- baseball, basketball, football -- college and pro.
When you have 30+ other teams vying for the same trophy every year, they are going to be knocked off their high horse.
The Yanks have always had a major advantage over the rest of baseball since the old days because they invested into their farm and often grabbed the young stars the day of their high school graduation (like in Mantle's case) before other teams could have a shot.
They were a big part of the reason why baseball invoked a draft because they were getting a lot of young players that other teams couldn't do and it was deemed unfair by MLB.
It's a little different now, but having a resource advantage over every other team is hardly anything new for this franchise.
I completely understand that
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't argue with that....
Even if they don't make it this season, they have been right in the middle of the playoff hunt since June/July and will probably be there until the end.
I have many problems with Cashman's moves over the years, especially with the Igawa deal, but I think his pros have clearly outweighed his cons too.
In an unrelated note, it's always funny how these boards have much more traffic after a Yankee loss than after a win.
Better to be pissed off in here
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Some say...
The Yankees' reign of excellence from 1996 to 2001 was fueled by the virtues of their farm system (along with their obvious economic advantage). But Steinbrenner couldn't help meddling in personnel decisions, and quite often, the Yankees suffered for it. Fortunately, George seems to have backed off in the past couple of years and let Cashman do his job. In that time, we've gone from a completely depleted farm system to one of the game's best (again, $ doesn't hurt).
The moral of the story, as I see it, is that money alone does not guarantee excellence. In many cases, the moves you don't make turn out to be the best ones (See: Gagne). Hang tight, let the young pitchers continue to develop, and this team will be in good stead for years to come.
by uflyibuy on Aug 26, 2007 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I give Cashman
That "easy" September
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think what I said is reactionary at all
As for Moose, I'm calling it right here and now: 6.2IP, 3ER, 5K, 2BB. He's due for a good start.
A couple of years ago, huh?
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I probably shouldn't have
I just think people often seem too reactionary when this team loses.
However, it's hard to blame the losses in April on the season because of all the injuries they sustained in the rotation.
This team had so many rookies pitching games that had no business being here but it was out of necessity because of injuries and ineffectiveness (Igawa).
I have to agree
by LongBeachDave on Aug 26, 2007 4:31 PM EDT reply actions
At least you can take solace
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
At least
Buster Olney on the Joba rules
Nardi Contreras controls the Joba rules, writes George King. These really aren't the Joba rules, by the way, as much as they are the Torre rules; this is the Yankees' organization protecting Joba Chamberlain from Torre, who, for all the good things that he's done as manager, has a long list of burned-out relievers on his resume. Steve Karsay, Paul Quantrill, Tom Gordon, Tanyon Sturtze, Ron Villone, Scott Proctor, etc. And some relievers who pitched for him will tell you privately that they were concerned that he would do -- or did do -- damage to their careers.
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 4:38 PM EDT reply actions
Hmmm....
Thanks for rehashing
the same discussion we have had several other times. Is your blog filled with more original ideas?
Fear the Evil Empire
by pfistyunc on Sun Aug 26, 2007 at 10:34:58 AM EDT
Not rehashing
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks.....
Although, I might take issue with the "too cheap" part. I had a problem with identity theft last year because of info some asshole got from a credit card.
For that reason, I'm holding off on getting another one for awhile until I really need it.
It is rehashing
And it's the idiot George King that Olney is getting the info from, thus rendering it worthless.
ETVal's post was better than yours.
Thanks Simon Cowell
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Fine
Your post would have been fine had you not posted what you did earlier on his diary.
In fact, your post belongs on his diary, not in a game thread.
If you're gonna bash other people for their stupid posts, someone should bash you for yours.
It was misplaced
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey...not all of us can afford
Understood
by pfistyunc on Aug 26, 2007 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Whether ETVal or Pfisty
I wouldn't be opposed
I do think putting strict rules on him is the right thing to do -- regardless if those rules get in the way of this team going to the post-season.
However, I also see what Torre is saying too and wondering if they really need to give Joba a day off after an appearance when he blows hitters away and only throws 10 pitches.
Clearly Torre
I think that Cashman
So, their agendas are slightly different because Cashman is looking more towards the future and Torre is focused on now.
Steinbrenner's sons are more involved with the team since his daughter filed for divorce from the heir apparent and they seem to like Cashman.
Not only that, but I tend to believe that Cashman will be largely credited for the resurgence of the farm the last couple of years (whether some regulars in PA believe he deserves the credit or not).
Simply put, it's hard to fire Cashman when there is nobody on the forefront ready to take over the reigns and the team seems more inclined to promote from within than hiring someone from the outside.
True
But I'm not sure I buy the conventional wisdom that Torre would ruin Joba if he weren't given some strict ground rules. One could argue that Torre has actually gotten career years out of guys like Proctor and Villone. Stanton, Nelson & Rivera all thrived under him. I don't think the guy's a genius when it comes to bullpen management, but he's being treated like the Marquis de Sade.
I don't always buy the comparisons
You're right -- Mo, Stanton, Nelson, and Wetteland (for one season) all thrived under Torre.
Torre does, however, have a long track record of overusing his best options out of the pen. I don't think there is any question about that.
What it boils down to is that the Yankee starting pitching is nowhere near as strong now as it was in the late 1990s and early 2000s when said relievers thrived under him.
Obviously, when the starters aren't eating up innings as they should, you tend to put a lot of extra strain on the good arms in the pen.
Torre has never been a great handler of the pen, but that trait didn't rear it's ugly head until recent years when the rotation was suspect.
His decision-making was far better back when he had the horses and his starters were doing the job by throwing quality starts almost every night.
Well
And, ironically, he's the one now wrapping Torre's knuckles for poor usage of the poor options he gave him.
Check out the posts
I saw the article
Whether Henn should continue to take a spot better suited for Britton is a different question. Certainly it confounds all common sense for Henn to still have a roster spot.
122 pitches
The Gary Smith story in SI should be good, whenever it comes out.
http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/25/torre-puts-his-trust-in-tampa-no-really-he-does/
Interesting
Some good news
Tomorrow is another day.
And The Yankess are still The Yankees.
Good night all.
by StrappedYankee on Aug 26, 2007 11:17 PM EDT reply actions
standings
despite being 10 games under .500, the reds are closer to first place (6 1/2 out) than the yankees.
and they say the NBA's atlantic division is bad? check out the NL central. yuck.
by Clutch like Leyritz on Aug 27, 2007 9:01 AM EDT reply actions
The entire National League
by pfistyunc on Aug 27, 2007 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions

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