Jason Giambi out indefinitely

by anaconda on May 31, 2007 4:59 PM EDT in News Comment 87 comments

The news just keeps getting better in Yankeeland.

Jason Giambi was seen by foot and ankle specialist Dr. William Hamilton today and found to have a tear of the plantar fascia. That is the tissue that connects the heel to the base of the toes.

He will go on the disabled list today. Giambi was given a walking boot to immobilize the area and will be evaluated again in three weeks.

No word as of yet who will be called up to replace Giambi on the roster.

This means lots more of Johnny Damon as the DH and Melky Cabrera in center field.

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I vote

Call up one of the Duncans and let him play first.

Chien-Ming Wang+Phil Hughes+Tyler Clippard+Joba Chamberlain+Dellin Betances = the future

by marcbouch9 on May 31, 2007 5:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Not a bad idea at this point

Pride, Power, Tailgating

by ReLaunch on May 31, 2007 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I saw them playing recently, and frankly, they are nothing to get excited about. If we're ready to fold it up, sure bring 'em up. But if we think we still have a shot (and I think we do), we should be looking at more productive options.

"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on May 31, 2007 5:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

What other options are there?

Nothing at 1B. We could use a righthanded bat in that lineup, so Shelley may help. I know Thompson will probably come up, but he won't play. I'd rather give a shot to someone who will play. It worked out a few years back when they called Cano up.

Chien-Ming Wang+Phil Hughes+Tyler Clippard+Joba Chamberlain+Dellin Betances = the future

by marcbouch9 on May 31, 2007 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know I said Thompson

And I think that option will win, since he's already on the 40-man.

But there's no reason Andy Phillips can't handle left or right. And he's been playing the infield at Scranton. If they can get him on the 40-man, he's another option.

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by PinstripePowerhouse on May 31, 2007 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

BTW,

Congrats to you and your River Ave buds for the Law interview.

I wished I had more access to do such interviews.

by anaconda on May 31, 2007 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks

It actually stemmed from Mike insulting Keith Law like 7 months ago. They developed a rapport, and now we get access like this.

Kinda cool, I gotta say. We're working on more bits like that.

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by PinstripePowerhouse on May 31, 2007 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's interesting...

how those kinds of things work out.

John has a pretty good rapport with Sherman and I believe he's going to interview Pete Abe soon.

I like that you guys keep tabs on the kids. Not many Yankee blogs do that and it separates yours from most.

You guys do a good job over there> It has become a daily read.

by anaconda on May 31, 2007 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kids are the most fun to follow

If I follow them in the minors, it's easier to follow them in the majors. And that's not just Yankees prospects.

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by PinstripePowerhouse on May 31, 2007 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It'll be Thompson for now

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by PinstripePowerhouse on May 31, 2007 5:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Time to make a trade

We just lost a big bat; we need another.

by docgonzo on May 31, 2007 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I want

Thompson-Duncan-Britton in place of Giambi-Minky-Phelps.
In a way this will be good for our defense...

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on May 31, 2007 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

You mean

Giambi-Minky-Vizcaino

Come on. Phelpsy can hit.

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by PinstripePowerhouse on May 31, 2007 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If we keep one of our firstbaseman

I want to keep Mientkiewicz. He was supposed to be good on D. But, to me he has been a revelation. His offensive production will probably move back to career numbers.

Phelps hurts us out there as much, or more than Jason did. His bat is not that good. He can't play in NY.

Baseball is 90% mental. The other half is physical(Yogi)

by Cbeck3 on May 31, 2007 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think

we have different T.V's or something. Phelp's can't hit? Compared to Minky he looks like Arod. Minky is really coming around with that .215 avg after hitting his season high of .230

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by ReLaunch on May 31, 2007 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I didn't say Phelps couldn't hit.

I said his glove is so bad his bat is so bad he shouldn't be used in the field.

There is a reason phelps was available for rule 5. He reminds me of the old joke about Marv Thrownberry, "What does Marv have in common with Michael Jackson?

They both wear a glove on their right hand, for no apparent reason."

Baseball is 90% mental. The other half is physical(Yogi)

by Cbeck3 on May 31, 2007 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry

His glove is so bad his bat cannot compensate, he shouldn't be used in the field.

Baseball is 90% mental. The other half is physical(Yogi)

by Cbeck3 on May 31, 2007 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

this is exactly what you said

Phelps hurts us out there as much, or more than Jason did. His bat is not that good. He can't play in NY

I guess I misunderstood his bat is not that good for he couldn't hit. Also, where did you get this he can't play in NY crap? If its anyone that can't play in NY, its Minky.

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by ReLaunch on Jun 1, 2007 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Truth is

I don't think Doug M. can play in NY either. He is a stopgap.

I think that defense first is a better choice in a stop gap.

To play first full time for the Yanks you need a big bat. That's an offensive position. I do not believe Phelps has any real chance to be the starter. If the position was solid he might do as a backup.

Baseball is 90% mental. The other half is physical(Yogi)

by Cbeck3 on Jun 1, 2007 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Trade that will work

is to send Farnsworth to Atlanta, where he had great success, and has max value for rookie catcher first baseman Jarrod Saltalamacchia. Then we can platoon Posada and Salty, great nickname, at catcher AND FIRST. Posada needs to move there anyway and this would be a great trade for everybody. Atlanta doesn't need him as they already have McCann. The Yanks would be set at catcher and first base for the next 5 years!

by yankee come lately on May 31, 2007 5:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

You need to stop

There is no way in fucking hell that the Braves would trade Salty for Farnsworth.

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by PinstripePowerhouse on May 31, 2007 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You already posted a diary about this

and got properly reamed for it. Posting it twice only makes you look dumber.

by docgonzo on May 31, 2007 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Atlanta just lost

Mike Gonzalez. They need relief help. Farnsworth was great for them.

by yankee come lately on May 31, 2007 5:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

But not worth Salty

Not even close. You don't just trade a prospect like that for a reliever who has been sucking. Never. Not in a million years.

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by PinstripePowerhouse on May 31, 2007 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Did you read Jason Starks Column...

where he states that's excatly what Atlanta is doing?

by yankee come lately on May 31, 2007 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Besides Farnsworth was great

when he CLOSED games for Atlanta

by yankee come lately on May 31, 2007 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That's why the Yankees

gave him all that money in a Flash Gordon redux. Sign a big time closer to be set-up man for Mo.

by yankee come lately on May 31, 2007 5:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

And Farnsworth has failed miserably

in that role.

Why on Earth would the Braves be stupid enough to make this deal?

The see all the same stats that we do and they know Farnsworth can't retire the side in order to save his life.

Keep in mind that the Braves also had Leo Mazzone back then and he performed a lot of minor miracles with struggling pitchers.

by anaconda on May 31, 2007 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

A show of hands

Who knows how good Jarrod Saltalamacchia is? I'm not trying to be a prick to the general population, I swear. It just seems that people don't realize how valuable this guy is.

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by PinstripePowerhouse on May 31, 2007 5:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Let's see

backup catcher with 129 OPS+
Yeah, that'd be nice to have. Let's see how long it lasts. 12 games and counting...

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on May 31, 2007 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Backup?

If they landed Salty, Posada would be given his pink slip in October.

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on May 31, 2007 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If not Farnsworth

then you find another player. Salty is worth it and would fit perfectly. And he's available
"In Atlanta, multitalented rookie catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia has started taking ground balls at first base as the Braves try to figure out his future with the trading deadline approaching. "We have our franchise catcher [Brian McCann]," GM John Schuerholz said. "So who knows what will happen? We could find another place for Salty to play. Or somebody else could want him and make us an offer where we say to ourselves, 'This is a deal that makes sense for us and for him and for everybody.'"
-Jason Stark

by yankee come lately on May 31, 2007 5:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Okay, listen

He's young. He plays a premium position. He's property of his team for six years.

This all means that it will take a lot to get him. Probably a young pitcher, which for the Yankees would mean Joba or Kennedy. They should not be parting with either of them.

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by PinstripePowerhouse on May 31, 2007 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

Send them Clippard and Proctor (maybe Bruney) and cash, and they'll think about it.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on May 31, 2007 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You can't be serious

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by PinstripePowerhouse on May 31, 2007 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, let's weaken an already weakened

pitching staff. Makes sense.

by docgonzo on May 31, 2007 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think he's serious

If Cashman was dumb enough to bring that proposal to Schuerholtz, he'd get laughed out of the room.

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by PinstripePowerhouse on May 31, 2007 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tongue firmly in cheek

I don't know much about this catcher, but even given his small sample size, I bet there's a ton of better offers from other clubs on the table.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on May 31, 2007 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

My bad

I realized you were being a smartass after I hit post. I always do that.

by docgonzo on May 31, 2007 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

S'ok

I'm laughing just thinking about what the comments would look like in a diary "Yanks trade 5th starter and 2nd best reliever for backup catcher".
Pfisty's rage would be legendary...

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on May 31, 2007 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He was a huge prospect

#1 in the Braves system and #38 in baseball headed into this season.

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by PinstripePowerhouse on May 31, 2007 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What a waste.

I like Jason, but this the 4th season in a row that he's missed significant time. It's hard not to look at his tenure w/ the Yankees as a bust.

I don't quite get the sense of the suggested trade.

I don't think the Yankees can change what they're doing at 1st and catcher because the DH went down. For now they've got bring up an OF and annoint Johnny DH.

by collink on May 31, 2007 6:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't call it a bust

because we knew Giambi would begin to break down by now. He was signed to be the offensive guy from 2002-2005.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on May 31, 2007 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Giambi's Karma....

will get him in the end...

by Reality on May 31, 2007 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

kind of

like Bonds, right? He's only about to break the all time hr record.

Pride, Power, Tailgating

by ReLaunch on May 31, 2007 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Am I the only one sort of glad about Giambi?

This season was already over. Now this injury will hopefully keep Cashman from making some panicked trade in an attempt to grasp at some unattainable wild card berth.

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on May 31, 2007 8:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yes.

I gotta think you're the only one "glad" about Giambi being injured.

I don't want Cash making stupid trades in attempt to get into a playoff race they're not in, but I'd rather the Yankees have as healthy a team as possible.

I'm more worried about Roger talking Cash into a stupid trade, then Cash making a stupid trade due to Giambi's injury.

by collink on May 31, 2007 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Qualfiying "glad"

By no means do I wish Giambi personal harm, I just meant glad in the sense that this will hopefully ease Cashman even farther off the panic button. Although, if anyone deserved to be injured, it would be the guy who defrauded the Yanks out of $120M

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on May 31, 2007 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not really, the

guy hasn't lived up to his contract but at least he tries to play. Unlike Pavano.

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by ReLaunch on May 31, 2007 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey, is that a pink elephant in the room?

Um, the guy only got his contract because he juiced. Sadly, Pavano didn't defraud the Yankees at all. Everyone knew he was an injury riddled pussy, but our GM was just fucking retarded and signed him anyway.

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on May 31, 2007 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know

you're not glad about Giambi, you're glad about limitations and restrictions put on Cashman's ability to further damage the team.

Cashman is like a kid a candy store. "Oh look a Cuban Pitcher I want one." "Oh I want a Japanese pitcher too." "Wow look at the big strong firstbaseman, I want it."

by collink on May 31, 2007 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

Although I disagree with Cashman's want for a real first baseman. If that were the case, he wouldn't have signed Minky.

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on May 31, 2007 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, your

the only one.

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by ReLaunch on May 31, 2007 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The wild card is not unattainable

7.5 out in May is not insurmountable at all.

by docgonzo on May 31, 2007 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If you are going to smoke dank weed

please share. What Yankees team have you been watching? Keep in mind, as bad as they are right now, they are only going to get worse once the bullpen's overuse catches up to us

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on May 31, 2007 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And an injury to Giambi

increases the likelihood of acquiring a big bat to replace him.
This is bad for all of us.
And the season is not over. Ugly but not over.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on May 31, 2007 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is there not

an altar boy they can look at while jerking off instead?

Hey, they can revel in it all they want. The fact is that the Yanks are not good in 2007 and there are even darker days ahead. Baseball is cyclical and that is the price you pay for a dynasty.

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on May 31, 2007 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

well

Last fall, I truly believed, after the first Detroit game in the playoffs, that we were going to take it all. At least I won't have my heart shattered like that this year.

A Red Sux fan said to me today that he's over the Yankee sucking...and he'd like to see them at least give the RS a run for their money. I could not tell if he was kidding or not (and I don't really care).

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on May 31, 2007 11:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Beane

I think Beane may be more likely to try and trade Piazza then Cust but it is an interesting idea. I am just afraid that this could nudge Cashman into getting Helton.

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Jun 1, 2007 8:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

biggest fear

trading for Helton, or a similar guy is one of my biggest fears as well.

Make some small trades, if they can get something for Farnsworth I'd be thrilled. But let's just see if the Yankees can get back in a playoff race before doing anything big.

by collink on Jun 1, 2007 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not gonna do it

trying to spell his name that is.

Today's Olney blog says Yankees are not interested in Tex because the Rangers will be asking just too much. However he also says the Rangers are going to have to get real about this because no team is going to offer top tier young pitchers for him.

(If the trade is made let's just all agree to call him "Tex.")

by collink on Jun 1, 2007 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

I'd be happy with it, I've enjoyed watching him play.

by collink on Jun 1, 2007 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow

that was an awful joke. Funny though.

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Jun 2, 2007 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow

until you pointed it out, I didn't even realize that was intended to be a joke.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Jun 2, 2007 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Phil Hughes

Has anyone seen the latest on Hughes? It's not good.

Reports say 4-6 weeks before he can get back on a mound.

Chien-Ming Wang+Phil Hughes+Tyler Clippard+Joba Chamberlain+Dellin Betances = the future

by marcbouch9 on Jun 1, 2007 8:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yup

we are looking at an August return now. Personally, I think they need to send him back to AAA when he does return. No need to fuck up his long term progress and by that time the wild card should be pretty out of the picture.

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Jun 1, 2007 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He will progress better for the long term

By pitching in the majors, playoff shot or not.

Why would you bench press 125 pounds when you can do 150?

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by PinstripePowerhouse on Jun 1, 2007 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

He's ready to be a major league pitcher. He needs to pitch in the majors.

Chien-Ming Wang+Phil Hughes+Tyler Clippard+Joba Chamberlain+Dellin Betances = the future

by marcbouch9 on Jun 1, 2007 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Disagree

I would rather have him work in a less pressurized environment, especially when he got hurt trying to push himself against a major league slugger. I would rather have him breeze through AAA for the rest of the season with the goal of a rotation spot from Opening Day next year.

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Jun 1, 2007 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And then he'll make no progress

Look, he'd be pitching for the Yanks in September in any case. Why not give him an extra half-month or month in the majors?

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by PinstripePowerhouse on Jun 1, 2007 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You're right

I forgot that he would be coming back so close to the end of the AAA season anyway, so I guess it is a wash. My fear is that he comes back and the Yanks are five games or so out of the wild card and then they ride him too hard in a playoff push. At least if he stayed away until September that would be less likely to happen. Granted, I don't think the Yanks will be that close in August so it probably won't matter.

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Jun 1, 2007 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Saving the season

Won't be easy. But here are some thoughts on moves the Yankees can make.
http://valentinesviews.blogspot.com/2007/06/quick-throw-em-life-raft.html

by ETVal on Jun 1, 2007 10:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I like trying to get Mark Teixeira

though I doubt it'll happen.

by docgonzo on Jun 1, 2007 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The cost won't be worth it

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by PinstripePowerhouse on Jun 1, 2007 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cost being money or players?

Money at this point should be no object - never really has been. But sacrificing too many players - especially young guys - would be too steep.

by docgonzo on Jun 1, 2007 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Players

It's going to cost a Hughes, Kennedy, or Chamberlain. Those are the last players the Yanks should be giving up right now.

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by PinstripePowerhouse on Jun 1, 2007 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

In some ways

This makes the Yanks a better team.

It was nice of Giambi to try and play through it, but he was pretty useless the past month or so (like everyone not named Jeter or Posada).

Melky is a better hitter than what he's shown so far this year, and his defense in center is light years better than Damon's. If he gets his bat going a little bit his energy can jump start the team - like it did last year.

by matthaggs on Jun 1, 2007 11:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Boston's Future is better!

Beckett
Dice-K
Lester
Bucholtz (he outpitched your old man the other night at AA)

and Papelbon

I think's that's a little bit better than your future!

Now all you need are nine guys in the future that will be able to hit, because this group of old men aren't do'in it for ya!!!!!

by Jackmackyanker on Jun 1, 2007 1:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Uh..

Wang
Hughes
Chamberlain
Kennedy

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by PinstripePowerhouse on Jun 1, 2007 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Word.

I feel bad and all for Lester and his health issues, but truth be told: the kid ain't a very good pitcher.

Chien-Ming Wang+Phil Hughes+Tyler Clippard+Joba Chamberlain+Dellin Betances = the future

by marcbouch9 on Jun 1, 2007 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right on

If you look at his game logs from last year, he got progressively worse. Some may say it was his sickness, I say it was his horrible peripherals catching up to him. Guy walks the freakin' farm.

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by PinstripePowerhouse on Jun 1, 2007 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs