The argument against the early promotion of Phil Hughes
As everyone in Yankeeland knows by now, the Yankees have announced that Phil Hughes will be promoted to the big club and will make his major-league debut on Thursday against the Toronto Blue Jays. Like every Yankee fan, I'm very excited to see the kid pitch in the big leagues because he has the makeup to be a great pitcher in this league for a long time.
However, in my opinion, bringing Hughes up this early in the 2007 campaign is a mistake and I view it as a panic move by the organization due to the injury-riddled rotation and the inconsistencies of the current (although temporary) group outside of Andy Pettitte.
By no means am I questioning his maturity or his ability on the field because he has clearly developed far beyond his years when you compare him to other young hurlers his age -- past and present. But, he has pitched just 230 innings in his ENTIRE PRO CAREER and there was a reason why Cashman and Co. were committed to babying this kid's development and limiting his pitch counts since the middle of last season at Double-A Trenton.
I realize Hughes has all the tools to be an outstanding pitcher, but let's all try to keep in mind that this kid is just 20 yrs old -- and there are reasons why there isn't a long list of 20-yr old pitchers who have performed well in the major leagues during the last decade. There is a huge difference in the development of one's arm between pitchers who are 22-23 yrs old and have 500+ innings of experience under their belt and a 20-yr old pitcher with 200+ innings of experience under his belt.
My biggest fear is that he is going to hurt himself as other young phenoms have done in recent years like Kerry Wood, Mark Prior, Francisco Liriano, Jonathon Papelbon [at the end of last season], and now "King Felix" Hernandez.
For 3 months last season, Liriano was outstanding and paired with Johan Santana to form the most dominant one-two punch in the major leagues. However, his elbow evidently couldn't handle the enormous increase in workload and the strain eventually led him to a season-ending injury in the middle of a pennant race and then Tommy John surgery during the off-season. Now, the Twins are out of luck because they lost an outstanding young pitcher for the foreseeable future who will not pitch in 2007 and at least part of 2008.
Let's be clear, I'm not advocating that Hughes should sit in the Minors for another season or two. But, I am suggesting that he needs to stay in Triple-A for half the season like the organization initially planned in order to gain more experience and not be thrown to the wolves like we've seen with Chase Wright, Darrell Rasner, and Jeff Karstens.
Hughes clearly wasn't ready for the big show in Spring Training when he struggled with his control and mechanics and I don't see how three starts in Triple-A is enough work and experience to learn from and overcome those issues. Failure is not always a bad thing when it comes to the development of a young pitcher who is expected to be the ace of your rotation for the next decade.
The kid's arm needs to be conditioned for the kind of workload he's going to face in the major leagues and they shouldn't be putting his career at risk by bringing him up so early in the season. I also question the logic for bringing him up now since he will likely stay on a monitored or limited pitch count and the Yanks already have issues with starters who are unable to pitch into the 6th and 7th innings.
Some reports have stated that Cashman believes Hughes will only be getting his feet wet and will be sent back down once Moose returns from the DL in another week or two. I hope that turns out to be the case, but I fear he will stay in the rotation indefinitely and further risk the kid's future. It's much easier and more practical to monitor and limit his pitch count in Triple-A than it is with the big club.
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't want to see such another outstanding young phenom sustain an arm, elbow, or shoulder injury after some initial success in the major leagues -- never to be the same again. His future with this franchise is much too important to put his health at risk so early in the season.
That's my take on Phil Hughes and his debut on Thursday. Feel free to agree/disagree and post your own theories.
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I understand
by ReLaunch on Apr 24, 2007 6:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Injuries
by RollingWave on Apr 24, 2007 7:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Even Joe Torre
These other guys, especially the guys who've had Tommy John, are becoming more and more the standard. Everybody has TJ surgery these days, and if Hughes was going to hurt himself he's just as likely to do it in Scranton as in the Bronx, just take a look at all the DLed pitchers on the 40-man roster.
by jscape2000 on Apr 24, 2007 8:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bring him up
Instead, blame Cashman for signing Igawa. Blame Cashman for signing Pavano. Blame Pavano for being a pussy.
by Ronster22 on Apr 24, 2007 8:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
C'mon Ronster
by pfistyunc on Apr 24, 2007 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you married?
Well, mine didn't, but your's might. I think you'd be stellar in the role. You'd be respected, feared and revered as you lead the pinstripers on to glory!
by Ronster22 on Apr 24, 2007 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seond that Al
Grace us, oh master with a shot of the apple in Steinbrenner's eye ... and Pfisty's next wife.
by Ronster22 on Apr 24, 2007 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jennifer Swindal Steinbrenner ...
But Al's probably alreay got her in photoshop glamming her up abit.
by Ronster22 on Apr 24, 2007 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am a Carolina alum
by pfistyunc on Apr 24, 2007 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dammit, man!!!
The way I figure Pfisty, you've got 3-4 days to seal the deal... Godspeed, my friend.
by Ronster22 on Apr 24, 2007 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
An added edge to me
by pfistyunc on Apr 24, 2007 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doomed, but not dead yet
Power on, man. And think of me when you are looking to fill the vacant GM position.
by Ronster22 on Apr 24, 2007 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you have a mother-in-law ?
my sympathies.
by Al Rodgers on Apr 24, 2007 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget the 'cuffs
by Al Rodgers on Apr 24, 2007 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hairspray
by Al Rodgers on Apr 24, 2007 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
:) too funny.
by cliparttattoo on Apr 24, 2007 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With the volume of that hair
by pfistyunc on Apr 24, 2007 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Double Bagger
by Al Rodgers on Apr 24, 2007 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like her accessories

by Al Rodgers on Apr 24, 2007 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no yankee swag...
by cliparttattoo on Apr 25, 2007 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the team
by Ronster22 on Apr 27, 2007 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have asked several times
by pfistyunc on Apr 24, 2007 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ask again.
by Ronster22 on Apr 24, 2007 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a big deal either way
This whole post seems predicated on the assumption that pitching in the major leagues makes it more likely for a 21 year old pitcher to get hurt. I think that assumption has no basis at all. The AAA disabled list is littered with injured prospects as well. Theoretically, the better pitching coaches at the higher levels would have more success at maintaining a pitcher's health, although that is probably offset by the increased emphasis on winning.
What bothers me about this decision it's lack of decisiveness. Why did the Yankees just mess around with Chase Wright? If Chase Wright was the answer two weeks ago, I don't know what has changed in that timeframe that'd push Wright out and Hughes in. Wright had poor results against two excellent major league clubs--did the Yankees really expect MORE than that? They must have, because they could've easily called Hughes' number back then, too.
by zukatesta on Apr 24, 2007 9:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not simply his age
by anaconda on Apr 24, 2007 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I contest that
He'll learn in the Majors.
Yanks and prospects
by PinstripePowerhouse on Apr 24, 2007 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One outing
He was impressive but the team batting average is about .200 .
I am worried about the bullpen right now, because if he pitches great, he will probably lifted early because I think they are still trying to protect that arm, and if he pitches bad then the bullpen is ognn ahave to launch a rescue effort anyway.
by Edwantsacracker on Apr 24, 2007 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey A/C
http://www.pinstripealley.com/user/Al%20Rodgers
by Al Rodgers on Apr 24, 2007 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wright for the wrong reasons
by Ronster22 on Apr 24, 2007 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
If Hughes mows down the Jays and Karstens gets bombed again, Hughes will stay here. Otherwise I bet Hughes goes down and Karstens stays when Moose comes back.
What would really be interesting is if Hughes and Karstens both pitch well, and Igawa gets cranked.
by matthaggs on Apr 24, 2007 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two out of three are possible
by pfistyunc on Apr 24, 2007 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know I'm in the minority
There's not much you can do about stuff like two straight bunt hits, a sac fly, and a ground ball. And other bloop hits they got.
Yes, he made a mistake by walking Youkilis, and surrending laser beams to Ortiz every time he came up. But if you're gonna keep a list of pitchers who do THAT too often, I hope you have a lot of paper. And some help from Abreu would have saved him a run or two.
Friday will give us a better idea of what we can expect from Karstens. I suspect it'll be somewhere in between Saturday and great.
by matthaggs on Apr 24, 2007 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't pan out?
But now, Hughes apparently has one big start, and the Yankees rush him to the rotation like I used to do with my fantasy team!
by zukatesta on Apr 24, 2007 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No comparisons to Liriano, please
Yanks and prospects
by PinstripePowerhouse on Apr 24, 2007 9:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cause Sabean
by jscape2000 on Apr 24, 2007 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no kiddin'!!
ooof!
This will go down as the worst trade since the Mike Kekich/Fritz Peterson swap
http://www.pinstripealley.com/comments/2007/1/10/135223/722/9#9
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by Al Rodgers on Apr 24, 2007 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've got wood
Good times.
by Ronster22 on Apr 27, 2007 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd have taken that trade ...
by Ronster22 on Apr 24, 2007 10:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's only temporary anyway
by docgonzo on Apr 24, 2007 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thats running on the
by Edwantsacracker on Apr 24, 2007 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
by SP on Apr 24, 2007 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be more than impressive
by pfistyunc on Apr 24, 2007 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Hughes is a viable option this year
In light of Hughes continuing his development in AAA, the ideal roster would be: Clemens, Wang, Pettitt, Moose and Pavano. Igawa would be best utilized in long relief, I guess.
by docgonzo on Apr 24, 2007 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once again, disagree
Any use of a pitcher might lead to an injury. You can't keep playing scared with guys, especially guys who are ready. He really doesn't need much, if any, further development in the minors.
Re: Pavano. There's no guarantee that he pitches again this year.
Yanks and prospects
by PinstripePowerhouse on Apr 24, 2007 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pavano.
by cliparttattoo on Apr 24, 2007 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn him for giving us hope
by docgonzo on Apr 24, 2007 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes!
by cliparttattoo on Apr 24, 2007 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You shouldn't be getting those
The Yankees company line is that he's throwing on the side today.
Keep it with Pete Abe or Tyler Kepner for an update.
Yanks and prospects
by PinstripePowerhouse on Apr 24, 2007 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is the staff reliable enough to bring up Hughes?
This season the Yankees have one reliable pitcher out the 16 they've used in 18 games. Andy is the only one that is healthy and pitching well.
I'm not sure if it's just an iceberg on the horizon or if the pitching has already hit the iceberg, but I do know it's not a good idea to throw Hughes on a sinking ship.
by collink on Apr 24, 2007 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree...
by cliparttattoo on Apr 24, 2007 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Negative day on my part
We don't know how and when Wang and Mussina can pitch. Does Hughes become the Yankees no.3 starter, if one of them can't go for awhile?
by collink on Apr 24, 2007 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wang goes tonight
It's different with pitchers, but maybe they're looking for the kind of spark they seemed to get when they promoted Cano and shifted and eventually got rid of Womack. Believe they were 11-18 at the time.
by matthaggs on Apr 24, 2007 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cano.
by cliparttattoo on Apr 24, 2007 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Rob Neyer's blog today
The Yankees can't wait. Phil Hughes is starting against the Blue Jays Thursday. ESPN.com's Bob Klapisch wonders if the Yankees are panicking, and so does Newsday's Jim Baumbach.
After all, Hughes didn't fare well in his brief spring training trial with the big club, and he's pitched only 16 innings this month with Triple-A Scranton. But as Baseball America's Jim Callis reports, Hughes recently made "a minor adjustment with his delivery, [and] was back to locating his 90-94 mph fastball and plus curveball with precision." The result last week: six innings, two hits, zero walks, 10 strikeouts.
If you're not a serious Yankees fan, or a crazed fantasy owner, answer this question: Before this month, had you ever heard of Darrell Rasner, Chase Wright, or Jeff Karstens? Let alone all three of them? Well, they've combined to start six games for (theoretically) the world's best baseball team, and Wright and Karstens both have been hammered. Meanwhile, Kei Igawa co-leads the staff with four starts, but doesn't lead with a nifty 7.84 ERA.
The Yankees are in fourth place, four games out of first place. That's not so bad. What's bad is continuing to rely on a bunch of marginal major league starters. The Yankees have a significant amount of wiggle room, thanks to their star-studded lineup. But even the Yankees can't afford to go with a two- or three-man rotation.
Really, the only reason you wouldn't bring up Hughes now is the fear of destroying his promising future. Physically, the Yankees are not going to hurt him, at least not measurably. Hughes won't throw 120 pitches in a game this season, and perhaps not even 110. When it comes to his psyche, you have to assume the front office knows more about Hughes than we do. True, his nerves might get the better of him. It happens. But you might as well get the initial jitters out of the way, and if he struggles initially -- as many young pitchers have over the years -- you send him down and give him another shot in a month or two.
Pitching to major leaguers isn't easy. Jeremy Bonderman was an excellent prospect, and is today a fine pitcher. But as a 20-year-old rookie, he lost 19 games. Hughes might be a prodigy, though, and he's almost certainly one of the five best starters in the organization right now. If this is panic, every team should be so lucky.
by pfistyunc on Apr 24, 2007 6:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Stunning stance by Lohud
by pfistyunc on Apr 27, 2007 12:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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