Joe Torre turns down the Yankees

One year contract is not fair.  There is no security and he will be a lame duck coach the entire year with the, will he or won't he come back next year thing we had to deal with the entire year.  

Plus I feel that the one year contract is kinda like a slap in the face to Torre.  Obviously he wants to manage the Yankees, but a one year offer is basically like saying, we're bringing you back for a farwell tour.  

If the Yankees really want him, then offer him a 3 year contract or something and be fair.  I can understand the incentives, but you have to give him more years otherwise go hire someone else.  I am not happy with how they are handling this entire situation.

Bobby Valentine. I think that hiring Mattingly (no experience) or Girardi (fucking retard who is actually worse on pitchers than Torre) will be a big mistake.

Steinbrenner didn't want him back. Knows he'd be lynched is he did an actual firing, so makes an offer and forces Torre to reject it. Torre goes out with his head held high and Steinbrenner doesn't look like a bad guy.

Tell me this doesn't make sense.

Wow......

I mean omgoodness - I want Torre back!!!!!  

One year is decent time for Torre because then you can bring somebody else in - since mattingly might be the successor/be more ready (assuming this to be the case) - and transition with a new "era"  Although given the rumors about the 3-year deal to Rivera and Posada... might be nice to have a 3-year deal.  I was torn between a 1-year and a 3-year deal..... wow.  

But I do agree that the respect - the ethos - needs to be there because Joe doesn't deserve to be just effectively be in a position to be under someone else's spell, which could happen with a one year deal.  This is despite the bonus, the incentives.  I think Steinbrenner thought that these incentives would motivate Torre more to have a greater sense of "urgency."  He may have thought that Torre may have lost that from age, success over years, etc.  

The expectations to win are there, and they should be there, but there has to be trust that Torre would do his very best to manage, to win, to get us to be the best baseball team we can be.  And to play quality baseball!!!!  Some probably weren't happy.  But what a bummer.  Bravo Joe Torre for keeping principles, keeping that ethic and emotional control that he has.  I'm saddened.  

What if the new manager doesn't get us into the playoffs?  We have been going to the playoffs for 12 straight years!  

We'll see who's next, yeah?? Wow...

So what do you guys/gals think?  Tony LaRussa?  Mattingly?  Girardi?  LaRussa.... ugh.... I don't know about his fit.  Torre was such a great fit for New York.  

shoots.  

Well, fairly certain that Mattingly's going to be the next manager.

Torre will go to the Cardinals?

for the world series titles, joe, good luck

Torre is already on his way to St. Louis, getting ready to manage the Cards.  We'll see how he fares managing in the National League.  He certainly won't retire.

I'm upset.  I'm 22 years old- When it comes to the Yankees, Joe is all I know!  

As for Mattingly- (cue the spooky music, we are approaching Halloween) - The Yankees only made the playoffs once with him as a player (1995), and after he retired, went on to win 4 World Series in 6 appearances in 8 years.  They hire Mattingly back for the 2004 season, go up 3-0 in the ALCS, and well, we all know how that wound up.  Smells like a curse to me!  (No...I'm not superstitious).

     

that photo is not.

will be in pinstripes next yr, he already has a contract they were trying to just get him to accept a one year deal. theres no talk of them actually firing him, espn is just spreading rumors as they always do

Torre is a special advisor I think for the Yanks still.  

http://www.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20040409&content_id=698432&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.j sp&c_id=nyy

sounds like he just didn't feel completely welcome back.

The only manager I ever knew of. Here's wishing you luck in whatever, be it retirement, or joining anothe team. Thanks for the good run. We should all be thankful that Joe joined us in the first place, and look back on the greatness that Joe led us through.

Can we imagine how much this will affect the Yankees future -- Mo, Georgie, A-Rod, so many more.  I'm afraid they'll leave!  How many more players will decline the Yankees because he's gone.  The Evil Empire -- sometimes I truly wonder.

to create maximum negative PR. Let's hope this is not a sign of ineptness to come. Otherwise, 2008 will look like a flashback to 1992 with a Clinton in the White House and the Yankees near the cellar.

Hey pfisty and anaconda,

I hate to invite derision here, and I'm open to argument, but why exactly is Girardi the worst possible option at this point?

His analysis on YES has always seemed spot on, and he seems to be open to modern baseball tactics and metrics.

Valentine would be like inviting a match into your powder keg.

Well said, anaconda! As you know I'm an old fart, still singing Stengel's praises, but with Torre out they've got to turn a page. It has been a long, long time since the last World Series Championship in New York. Of course no one is listening to my advice, but I think Leo Durosher's words from '39/'40 apply: "Nice guys don't win ball games." There's got to be a real SOB who knows baseball out there somewhere to wake up this accumulation of baseball's finest dilettantes. That bunch should be waiting in the stadium for the Rockies right this minute! We've played 'gentleman baseball' long enough. As they said in Brooklyn, "wait 'til next year!"

I thought NYY should have offered Torre 1 year deal without a paycut. When some marginal players are making over $10 mill per year, I don't think it was the right thing to do. I don't know who the heck is running the show now, but it was a classless act. It also makes extremely difficult for anyone who chooses to succeed Torre and to retain free agents.