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Sheesh

Tonight's game has been rained out and rescheduled for Sunday. This weekend will feature two double headers.

In other news, the Yanks might cut ties with the Columbus Clippers and move the team to Scranton. Can someone please explain how this works to me? The Yanks retain the rights to all the Clipper players, but they'll just change their name and location, like when the Browns moved to Baltimore and became the Ravens, but Cleveland was allowed to keep their history and their team name. Does that sound right?

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Sucks for the kid, he was supposed to have his party at the game tonight.
However, now I might get to go to the game because I'll be in NY on Sunday anyway.  Hope it's a clincher.

by SP on Sep 15, 2006 7:16 PM EDT reply actions  

well...
luckily, most of my friends can come on Sunday's make up game, it's just 1 that can't
Yankees win! Theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Yankees win! -John Sterling

by goyankees on Sep 16, 2006 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

About minor league affiliations...
... it's not exactly the way you said it; it's not quite like the Browns moving to Baltimore. Cleveland didn't get a new team till several years later, and the only reason they kept the Browns logo/colors is because fans there raised a stink. If that had always been the case, Baltimore's NFL team would be the Colts, and Indy would have another nickname.

Anyway, when minor league affiliations change, the parent club simply sends their players elsewhere. In the case of the Yankees, they'd take everyone who's now at Columbus (or likely, a different roster since next year's Triple-A team is going to have many different players) and assign them to Scranton. This change is being prompted by the fact that the Phillies (who currently have Scranton as their top affiliate) are changing to Ottawa for 2007 (and in 2008, Ottawa moves to Allentown, which makes sense from a Philly point of view).

If you're a Yankee fan in the NYC area, this should be good news -- Scranton is much closer to NYC than Columbus is, and thus, if you wanted to, you could more easily see the Yankees' farmhands play in person.

Hope this helps.

Al, visiting from Bleed Cubbie Blue

by Al Yellon on Sep 15, 2006 8:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I expect its much the same as
single A where my experience is. My team in Auburn was a Astros single A short season club. About nine years ago we switched to become a blue jay club. The Astros never owned the auburn club or the auburn ballpark. The Auburn Club provides the clubhouse, the field, concession staff, advertising, take care of promotions. The parent club is responsible for for supplying coaches, trainers, and players. More details are in the contract. For example when we were an affiliate of Houston they would send thier head groundskeeper every year. Places like Staten Island are provided uniforms helmets, gatorade, sunflower seeds, coolers, hot tubs...
Cheap teams like the blue jays have their single A affiliates play in the same jerseys for 10 years.

by Edwantsacracker on Sep 15, 2006 8:36 PM EDT reply actions  

will anybody show for the 2nd game ?
remember the last make-up rain out in June, with the Marlins, I think only 4,200 showed up for the 2nd game, and if I remember this correctly, Randy was pitching the 2nd game.

by Al Rodgers on Sep 15, 2006 9:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Moose
This is completely unrelated to anything discussed thus far, but did anybody see the interview Kim Jones did with Moose and is currently posted on the YES website?

It is roughly 7 minutes and most of the interview is about stupid stuff like Moose's famous obsession with crossword puzzles and his love for t-shirts featuring 1980s pop culture.

However, the one thing that really stands out and very noticeable in this interview was that I don't think I've ever seen Moose so laid back, positive, forthcoming, and completely relaxed in any interview since the day he put on the pinstripes 5 years ago.

During most interviews I've ever seen him do, he is always serious, rarely cracks jokes or smiles, and appears annoyed more often than not by the cameras around him and the reporters asking him questions.

I believe Moose wants to resign with the Yankees this off-season and finish his career in pinstripes because he is probably another good season or two away from being a borderline Hall of Famer (believe it or not) and he is smart enough to know that there are fewer sure things in MLB right now than the Yankees putting a good team on the field and competing for supremacy in the AL every year.

I would be very surprised if a deal didn't get done with Moose one way or another, albeit at a MUCH lower rate than the $19 million he is making this season.  A two-year deal and perhaps an option year is probably about what I would expect.

In my opinion, Moose's body language and attitude in this interview reflects the rest of the team.  They most definitely have their mojo going at full-speed and they all know that they are going to be very tough to beat this postseason.

This team reminds me a lot of the teams in the late 1990s right now and their monster lineup is only going to get better when Sheff comes back, probably next week.

Sheff knows he won't be back next season and he has something to prove, so don't be shocked if he starts raking from the get-go like Matsui has been over the last few games.

"I didn't mean to hit the umpire with the dirt, but I did mean to hit that bastard in the stands." -- Babe Ruth

by anaconda on Sep 15, 2006 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

HoF
Moose is actually more than borderline.  When you ignore "wins" and the concept of "dominance" and look at his WHIP and ERA+ compared with other starters of this era, he holds his own.  He's certainly below the likes of Clemens, Pedro, or Maddux.  But when you talk about the top 5 pitchers of this generation, Mussina is a strong candidate.
Have faith in the Yankees my son. Think of the great DiMaggio.

by jscape2000 on Sep 15, 2006 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: HoF
I don't disagree with you as far as his career numbers are concerned that he has been a very good pitcher and consistent for a long time.

The problem is that you can't just dismiss or ignore win totals when baseball writers are voting for the HOF.

I think most of the writers' mindset are guys who measure hardware, accolades, and aura to determine whether players are worthy of the HOF or not, unless they reach 300 victories or are at least a stone's throw away from it.

It is obvious that Clemens and Maddux are undoubtedly first ballot HOF'ers because of their Cy Youngs and 300+ wins, in addition to everything else.  Nobody is going to dispute that.

Pedro will probably get there as well because he clearly was one of the dominant pitchers in his era because of his Cy Youngs, 20-win seasons, and finally a WC with the BoSox, even though he will probably finish with a lot fewer career victories than other great pitchers.  He was also one of the great "big-game" pitchers of his era as well.

Schilling will probably get to the HOF for the very same reasons that Pedro eventually will; the 20-win seasons, the "big-game" pitcher status (especially the playoffs), 2 rings, and clearly one of the top pitchers in the game during his era.

In Moose's case, he has none of these measures of hardware or aura like Pedro and Schilling.  He's never won 20 games.  Never won a Cy Young Award.  And, he's never won a ring (although that may change this season).

In my opinion, I clarified Moose as "a good season or two away from being a borderline HOF'er" because he has to overcome in career victories that pitchers like Pedro and Schilling won't have to do because their accolades have already given them elite status.

I think Moose has to finish with 270 career wins or better (he currently has 238) to even be in the discussion of the HOF because he doesn't have the hardware accolades that those guys have on their mantle, even though both will likely finish with fewer victories than Moose when all is said and done.

By comparison, Pedro and Schilling are both [coincidentally] sitting on 206 career wins, as of today.

I'm not at all saying that the system is fair or that I agree with it, but if Jim Kaat hasn't been voted into the HOF when he has 283 career wins and 16 Gold Gloves to boot, I don't think the baseball writers are going to be willing to vote for Moose either when he doesn't have the accolades, hardware, and aura to go with his likely 250-260+ career victories when he hangs it up.

"I didn't mean to hit the umpire with the dirt, but I did mean to hit that bastard in the stands." -- Babe Ruth

by anaconda on Sep 16, 2006 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fox
I think day is Fox, not sure about night, and possibly both tomorrow are ESPN- last night was supposed to be ESPN, and it got moved to Sunday 1pm, and the Sunday 8pm was also supposed to be ESPN.

by SP on Sep 16, 2006 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah ESPN on Sunday Nite
they may pick up the first game, only because they have shit on.

here is a link to the schedule

http://sports.espn.go.com/espntv/espnGuide

ESPN2 might carry it.  They got some crap polo match - This is redundant by definition.

by Al Rodgers on Sep 16, 2006 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

locally it's on channel 9
I found that out watching todays game and I have to set my Tivo for manual recording because it's not on the schedule.

by Greenfuzz on Sep 17, 2006 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

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