Cashman and Russo go at it.

by John Amato on Jul 31, 2006 5:57 PM EDT in News Comment 29 comments

Brian came down hard on Russo for calling him a liar about the Abreu/Lidle deal. Brian thinks Lidle was an important part of the deal (there wasn't much starting pitching available) that then allowed the Yanks to trade Chacon. Cashman would not put up with Russo's garbage today. Since Mike wasn't around, I knew Russo would be showing off his hatred for the Yanks today. Especially with the Giants in the tank and the Yanks making moves to try and help the team.

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He deserves it

Russo is a Class A moron. Unfortunately, so is Francessa (need I remind everyone of the not-so-spoken-about 2004 ALCS call-in?). Together, though, they form a semi-interesting tandem. Separately, I simply can't listen to them.

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by PinstripePowerhouse on Jul 31, 2006 6:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

W/O Mike in today

I knew Russo would throw cold water on the Yanks.

by John Amato on Jul 31, 2006 6:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I stopped listening

to them a long time ago.

by ReLaunch on Jul 31, 2006 6:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah,

Can you give the Windows version. I can't play this version. Thanks

by ReLaunch on Jul 31, 2006 9:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I actually

just got it to work. I like how Cashman told him off.

by ReLaunch on Jul 31, 2006 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cashman Rocks

Russo has always been envious of the Yankee spending. When Yankee haters are that obnoxious, I can't wait to see their teams lose - and when the Giants lost the World Series - it was PRICELESS.

I love that Cashman gives it right back to him.

by JARNJ3 on Jul 31, 2006 10:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The WIndows version is posted

As a Yankee fan, we're all excited about today and that moron can't wait to destroy it.

by John Amato on Jul 31, 2006 10:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Cashman

Cashman was great in that. Russo, of course, is just trying to stir things up -- that's what gets him the ratings, which is all he's really interested in. and Russo makes some valid points -- but he misses the big picture, which Cashman clearly sees. and that is that the number one need for the Yankees right now is starting pitching, not hitting. that's why Lidle is the key part of the trade. and it's not an ace that they need, but just a solid #4 pitcher who will chew up innings and give them a chance to win. which is exactly what Lidle can do. so Cashman got exactly what the Yankees needed. and the fact that he was also able to lasso Abreu in the deal is just the icing on the cake. great trade, period.

"90% of the game is half mental." - Yogi

by lee on Jul 31, 2006 10:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Plus

Torre asked for a bat rather than pitching and with this deal we got both.

by John Amato on Jul 31, 2006 11:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I love how

Russo is on the Yankees Entertainment Network just obliterating Cashman in the beginning. I guess his job is as secure as was Chacon's.

by YANKtheTitle on Jul 31, 2006 11:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

by "his"

I mean Russo's.

by YANKtheTitle on Jul 31, 2006 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

However

Cashman handled it well. I don't think the Yanks will exercise Russo's option for another year lol.

by YANKtheTitle on Jul 31, 2006 11:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Russo is a caricature

of what the rest of America thinks about NYers:

Loud
Arrogant
Cannot admit a mistake
Know-it-all

(I say this as a born and raised NYer who has, on occassion, exhibited these traits)

I'm sure you all noticed how Russo kept changing the line of attack every time CashMoney hit him with a fact. Russo is a scumbag and even with Mike F there, their show is like a root canal. Fucking talentless hacks...

by sanchez96 on Aug 1, 2006 1:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Russo I think

though isn't from NY. He is from the west coast.

by ReLaunch on Aug 1, 2006 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually

Russo was from Long Island and as wikipedia asserts that "Russo is known for his fanaticism for the San Francisco Giants." Maybe that's where all the disdain and contempt comes from. Why is he on the YES netwrok when he doesn't even like the Yankees?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_%22Mad_Dog%22_Russo

The best line my Cashman: "Whenever you decide to come over and run this club..."

Then Russo starts stuttering.

Then Russo states, " I don't want to get people upset...Yankee fans." Personally, I wouldn't want to get the Yankee GM.

by YANKtheTitle on Aug 1, 2006 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

mad

by YANKtheTitle on Aug 1, 2006 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well now, hold on....

Hey guys, I'm a crossover from the SB Nation site BucsDugout, and I wanna comment on this. First off, Mad Dog was being harsh for sure, but he is right about Cory Lidle. He's a bum, and I don't see how any rational human being can predict him to be successful the rest of the season. Look at his numbers the last 3 seasons:

21 GS, 4.74 ERA, 1.36 WHIP, .277 BAA
31 GS, 4.53 ERA. 1.35 WHIP, .289 BAA
34 GS, 4.90 ERA, 1.35 WHIP

But Cashman points to his second half stats as the reason why he is predicting success for the rest of the season. Look at Lidle's second half stats the last 3 years:

Post All Star Break 2005: 6.03 era, 1.59 whip, .337 BAA
Post All Star Break 2004: 5.00 era, 1.41 whip, .278 BAA
Post All Star Break 2003: 5.35 era, 1.44 whip, .268 BAA

So in conclusion, I'm not exactly sure what Cashman sees here. It seems to me that Lidle was just a throw in, as Ponson, Chacon, etc., aren't worse than this. Can anyone argue against my evaluation?

by ILLZ on Aug 1, 2006 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Lidle

i'm guessing you didn't read my earlier post. :)

the point that Russo missed and that you are missing is that the Yankees aren't looking for a future HOF'er here. all they need -- and desparately need -- is a #4 pitcher who will get them through six innings consistently -- thus saving wear and tear on the bullpen, and giving the Yankee hitters a chance to win in the late innings. right now they just don't have that. since coming off the DL, Chacon was averaging less than 4 innings per start. Ponson and Wright both average less than 5 innings per start. Lidle, though, is averaging better than 6 innings per start, and has gone 6+ in 17 of his 21 starts. which is EXACTLY what we need. if he can continue to do that with an ERA even in the neighborhood of 5.00 we're golden. remember even without Matsui, Sheffield, and Cano the Yankees are averaging 5.6 runs per game. so as long as the #4 pitcher can keep us in the ballgame through 6 innings, we're going to win the majority of those games. and the rest that the bullpen will get as a result will make all the other starters more effective.

"90% of the game is half mental." - Yogi

by lee on Aug 1, 2006 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re:

I agree that Lidle is more likely to get deeper into the game, but is that the most relevant statistic here? He has been just as bad as Ponson/Wright in terms of ERA, WHIP, BAA (the "important" and "relevant" stats). I highly doubt that Cashman thinks Cory Lidle was a good acquisition because "he can get through 6 innings more often than Chacon/Ponson/Wright".

As to his assertion to Mad Dog...

Russo: Look at his [Lidles] career!
Cashman: Yeah look at his career, look what he does in the 2nd half of his career! Look at what he does the second half of every single season hes been in the big leagues, look what he does!

Was Cashman just flustered at this point? Because I know he's a very smart man, and a very astute baseball mind. Any rational person cannot make that assertion about Lidle's second half numbers without either not looking at them at all, or being extremely disgruntled to the point where they'd just blurt out anything.

I'm hard pressed to believe that there wasn't a better starting pitcher available, and I'm hard pressed to believe that Cashman wouldn't have made this deal without Lidle being included.

by ILLZ on Aug 1, 2006 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

the trade

<< is that the most relevant statistic here? >>

yes. look at Proctor's stats -- he leads the majors in IP. when he's rested, he's been lights out. when he's overused, he gets clobbered. to a lesser degree, it's true of the rest of the bullpen. we're turning over the game to our bullpen way too early way too often.

<< He has been just as bad as Ponson/Wright in terms of ERA >>

Wright's our #5 -- he's not so much the issue. Ponson? his last 10 starts his ERA is 7.88. Chacon? since coming back, as a starter his ERA was over 10. that's all the stats you need to know.

<< As to his assertion to Mad Dog... >>

i'm not sure what that was all about -- although i have read that same claim elsewhere. regardless, look at what Lidle has done in July -- 4 of 5 starts were 6+ innings with 3 or fewer runs. looks pretty good to me.

<< I'm hard pressed to believe that there wasn't a better starting pitcher available >>

well, yeah, Maddux was obviously available -- but for what price? that was the key. Cashman was able to pull this trade off without hurting the team either with current players or future prospects. before the trade, the Yankees were already looking very good for the post-season. at the start of July, they were 4 back of the Red Sox and 7 back of Chicago for the wild card. by the end of July they had passed Chicago and were tied with Boston in the loss column. so clearly the momentum was going their way. plus they've got Cano, Matsui, Dotel, and Sheffield set to return. so they didn't need a "killer" type trade. they needed an "insurance" type trade -- which is exactly what this was. filled a big void in the bottom of the rotation, picked up a guy with incredible OBP, and didn't give up anything that was going to hurt them. as i said, great trade.

"90% of the game is half mental." - Yogi

by lee on Aug 1, 2006 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cashman

was putting spin on the trade. Lidle has a great win-loss record in his second halves. I agree with every that has been said. Lidle was the best pitcher available for just money, he'll be better than Ponson, he's not a great pitcher.

Have faith in the Yankees my son. Think of the great DiMaggio.

by jscape2000 on Aug 1, 2006 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Man...

you guys are all homers. I bet the Yankees have never made a bad move, huh? Get some perspective already.

by ILLZ on Aug 2, 2006 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

I think that it's just bonus that I don't have to watch Chacon, or Small or Wilson or Beam whomever go out there and suck. We needed a pitcher, there were no awesome ones available. We got a mediocre one whose less sucky than the guy we gave up. That's a huge difference for us at this point in the season believe or not ILLZ. We just need a few percentage points in improvement for division race to stay going in the right direction for us.

As mg said, we watch most of the games and we've seen what's been happening. We lost no important prospects in this deal, there is no harm done even if this guy doesn't work out so well. If we even get some more length from him, our bullpen guys will throw much better overall. Maybe he'll keep us together till a couple of our DL guys get healthy.

by Greenfuzz on Aug 2, 2006 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

that's quite funny -- you ought to hang out here for a while. there's probably more Yankee bashing going on here than on any other blog on the net. :)

"never made a bad move"? excuse me while i pick myself off the floor.... hell, one of the reasons why we're so desparate for an average starting pitcher is because we signed guys like Wright and Pavano ($40 million for a grand sum of 4 wins so far!). and how about that Contreras for Loaiza trade? that sure worked out well. then there was the Tony Womack signing -- he's certainly a legend in these circles. and let's not even start in on Kevin Brown.....

yeah, bunch of homers here. we just love every move the front office makes.

"90% of the game is half mental." - Yogi

by lee on Aug 2, 2006 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Um

You may want to look around. Relaunch and pschi do a pretty good job reminding us of our failings. I feel that I do my duty in adding perspective to Cashman and Torre's decisions. This is a team built for the playoffs in position for the playoffs. We spend more money on payroll than W. spends on Iraq, but you know what? We get better results. And we still send some money to your Pirates, who can't figure out how to field a team despite having a decent market to work in.

Have faith in the Yankees my son. Think of the great DiMaggio.

by jscape2000 on Aug 2, 2006 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs