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Tigers win 4-3

Hats off to the Tigers, they outplayed the Yanks and won a close battle by one run.

Now the rant. Take it for what it's worth:

Posada was horrible behind the plate by allowing two runners at second to get to third with no outs and that cost the Yanks. Detroit converted their base runners and the Yanks did not. The first one was in the dirt, but his passed ball in the seventh set up an easy scoring chance and cost us the lead run.

The big thumpers ( Giambi, Sheff, A-Rod) were a dud and that's why I hated Sheffield coming back. He should not be at first base and his fielding hurt us today. Would Giambi have caught those two liners down the line? Maybe not, but Sheffield is still in spring training mode as a hitter and if his at bats stay this way it's a nightmare.

We could have put Phillips at first and the lineup would have still been as fierce. With Matsui taking Cabrera's spot, he already gave up a huge defensive chip. Joe, instead of going with the better all around team reverts back to the supposed best lineup ever assembled. Well, what happened today?

Mussina choked too because he couldn't minimize his mistakes. They are going to get hits, but he didn't hold them down when they had their chances. He got two quick outs and then gave up back to back hits to allow Detroit to grab the early lead. I thought he would have carved up the Tigers today, but they converted three scoring opportunities. Giving up the home run to Guillen was the big hit. It brought them even and made them believe after Damon's three run blast gave the Yanks the early 3-1 lead.

Why was Jeter bunting a 100 mph fastball after going 5-5? I scratched my head. That cost us an out and there are only 27 to play with.

I would have bunted Cano with two on and no outs in the second even if he's a monster hitter and set up the top of the lineup. It's the playoffs and their bullpen as we just saw is their strength.

MLB was gutless last night. Holding up that game took the incredible night time stadium atmosphere and advantage away and gave the Tigers another day off to collect themselves.

The first pitch to Posada was a foot outside that was called a strike after Matsui got on. Is it too much to ask ESPN to show a replay of it? It changed the whole at bat. ESPN's coverage of the Dodgers/Mets game was horrible yesterday. The announcers had no idea why JD Drew tried to score behind Kent and their crack on field reporters were mum.

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Whaaaaah!
"That was pure youth, speed and recklessness." --Mike Mussina on Melky Cabrera's 6/5 sprint for home

by JaneKnowles on Oct 5, 2006 5:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Drop ARod to the 8 spot.
Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier. The cigars taste better. The trees are greener. --Billy Martin

by garp on Oct 5, 2006 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree
When Jeter made the error in the first inning it was a bad omen.  Then he comes out and tries to bunt?  I hate that play so early in the game.  Here's the number hitter in the league and he is so willing to give himself up so early in the game?  How about trying to hit it the other way and go for 1st and 3rd and really putting some  pressure on them?

I hate having Shef back.  Instead of a small ball team they become a team waiting for the three run homerun again.  I have very little confidence in Sheffield doing any situational hitting.

I am trying very hard to to a Rodriguez fan but for $25 million you gotta be better than 1 for 7.  You have to make some contact.  Geez to strike out  so many times is unbelievable.

Mussina is a good pitcher but he is not a shut the other team down type of guy.  Between he  money they pay Mussina and Johnson you would think they could get a victory when the Yankees need one.

And when is Cano going to show up?  I hope this team is not going to be a great regular season team and not hit in the post season.

MLB was gutless.  The fans had to sit there for three hours before they call the game?  Shame!

by makjkam on Oct 5, 2006 5:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Absurd
Stop whining about MLB. George has to sell 3 hours worth of $8.75 beers before the game is called. It's a rule.

Who else here hates Chris Russo?

by domroc on Oct 5, 2006 5:53 PM EDT reply actions  

And another thing....
Bring Melky back!
"That was pure youth, speed and recklessness." --Mike Mussina on Melky Cabrera's 6/5 sprint for home

by JaneKnowles on Oct 5, 2006 6:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I wuz there
And had fun, but am bummed they lost.  It was a fun game till the end, but we need to have the bats come alive tomorrow.  I still think we can take the Tigers.

by Greenfuzz on Oct 5, 2006 7:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Obviously the Unit is going to make or break it
I'm actually looking forward to seeing how he'll do. As for the bats, they'll come aroun.  And hopefully Kenny-boy will be his old playoff self.

by docgonzo on Oct 5, 2006 7:17 PM EDT reply actions  

many reasons
for today's loss
  1. I agree with Jeter bunting point -- no idea why he would there, bottom of the first and all, but the whole team hit poorly situationally. That one at bat really changed the first inning, tho.
  2. There's Joe Torre, won't make a change until it's desperation time.  I said it before the series started, I'll say it again, Gary Sheffield hitting fourth is simply stupid. And this series is proving that. He looked no better than Rodriguez, who continues to look like a player trying to get traded away.
This LrLrLr, lineup obviously didn't work today. I'm not really sure it was all that important in the first game either - but here's that big question - against great pitching, all they could muster was three runs (on a mistake), and nothing off Detroit's relievers. Does Torre make changes? After all, it WASN'T Sheffield and Matsui that got NY into the playoffs.

Why not put Matsui DH, Giambi at 1st and Cabrera back in left - at the very least you get speed and an arm in the outfield. And against Kenny Rogers, Cabrera can produce (imo).

And natural first baseman get those shots down the line -- SHeff looked offguard and late to react.

But we didn't lose because of sheff; Moose proved once again he's no playoff pitcher - what a weakass performance after getting the lead handed to him.

RJ better pitch the game of his life tomorrow - I really hope we don't have another Kevin Brown - that said, if NY loses game 3, you can kiss this series goodbye.

Maybe they'll smoke Rogers tomorrow.

by detroit yankee on Oct 5, 2006 7:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Giambi can't play first
because of his wrist. In fact, if they make the World Series, Torre said that Giambi would sit those games. That tells me that his wrist is a lot worse than he is letting on.
Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Oct 5, 2006 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't know that
about Giambi not being able to play first, but I agree with you, that makes the wrist issue worse.

So we have three dead bats in the lineup, and we're gonna keep running 'em out there in the hopes that...?

Amending: then put Philips at first, put Cabrera back in left, and leave Matsui DH. At least he's getting base hits and doesn't have to face an overloaded right side every time he's up.

And then our .342 hitter doesn't have to hit ninth. Maybe moving Cano up in the order will help him. (I think he's pressing it at the plate, but he'll break out if it before Arod does).

by detroit yankee on Oct 5, 2006 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Phillips is a terrible hitter
And he isn't exactly Keith Hernandez with the glove either. On the other hand, Sheffield is a probably HOFer. The lineup isn't the problem, they just made some poor decisions today and left some guys on base. Cano was terrible today, so I don't think moving him up is a good idea.
Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Oct 5, 2006 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shef
Had a big RBI in the rally in game 1.  I'd rather have him there than A-Rod, that's for sure.

by onehitwonder @ Pinstripe Alley on Oct 6, 2006 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's Sheff or Phillips
at 1st is my understanding too.

Moose wasn't great, but he was equal to Verlander. The difference in the game wasn't pitching. The Yankees offense didn't capitalize on the chances they were handed. Not taking advantage of all those walks early in the game killed them.

Pitching is not going to win this series for the Yankees it's got be the hitting. A-Rod and Sheff or Giambi have to have two monster games in them or it's over. Of those three hitters A-Rod is the only physically healthy guy.

If only we could put Giambi's mind in A-Rod's body.

by collink on Oct 5, 2006 9:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Phillips it is!
That would free up Sheffield to play third so we can sit that $25 million, sad-sacker on the pine.
Watching ARod today was pathetic. Show us something when it counts, already!

True, nobody played great today, but for the love of Lou Gehrig, swing the freakin' bat and at least give yourself a chance to make something happen.

I'm convinced he's gone. I would even throw in Pavano to make it happen!!

by Ronster22 on Oct 5, 2006 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

No offense man,
but pitching was most definitely the difference in the game.

After Damon's home run, the Yankees NEVER threatened, while the Tigers scored in three straight innings.

You're right that not taking advantage of the walks hurt NY but that was innings 1 and 2, but NY pitching is going to have to come up with big games because the hitting isn't.  And once Mussina had a 2-run lead, it was poor pitching on his part that lost the game.

This series was made for Rodriguez to show his stuff, but it doesn't even look like he's going to show up. Road game might help him, but who knows.

by detroit yankee on Oct 5, 2006 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yankees cannot and will not outpitch
this Tiger team. There's just no way. If it comes down to pitching the Yankees will lose. The Yankees have to make this series about offense.

The Yankees have to score more than 3 a game to win.

by collink on Oct 6, 2006 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

i don't know about that
Wang certainly out-pitched Robertson in game one, and if Good Randy shows up tonight he'll certainly outpitch Rogers.  and then tomorrow, the reality is that Bonderman has been just as inconsistent as Wright, so that one is a real toss-up.  but if it comes down to a game 5, once again i would expect Wang to out-pitch Robertson again.

the bullpen, though, is certainly where Detroit has the edge -- we do need Proctor, Bruney, Farnsworth et al to rise to the occassion.

bottom line, though, is that it's all about the pitching.  if we think we're going to outslug the likes of Verlander and Zumaya when they're throwing like they were yesterday -- well, that just ain't going to happen.

"90% of the game is half mental." - Yogi

by lee on Oct 6, 2006 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

IF? (Good Randy)
If Randy can ignore his balking back and throw strikes by tigers then he will be a man my son.

Is the post season like a Kipling poem? But the Tigers have better pitching than the Yankees at least according to the regular season numbers, and what we've seen so far.

3 Runs produced by one player is not enough for the Yankees to win. Now luckily yesterday the hitters saw the best pitchers the Tigers have and the Yankees like you said and now get a chance against the Tigers weak underside.

Let's Go Yankees!

by collink on Oct 6, 2006 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, that's a VERY BIG IF
we certainly agree on that!

as far as the regular season numbers go, you have to remember that 20% of those games were with the #5 starter and so are totally irrelevant, plus about half of them were against sub-.500 teams which makes them somewhat irrelevant as well.  

"90% of the game is half mental." - Yogi

by lee on Oct 6, 2006 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Weak
Today was just lame.  Lame all around.

Even the Captain had a bad day, relatively speaking, with the inexplicable and ill fated bunt from a .340 hitter, and an E-6.  

Man, the one thing I hate about the Yankees of the last 3-4 years is this notion that they are going to bash their way to the promised land as punctuated whenever Sheffield and Matsui are out there.  Granted, Sheff is tough as nails and Matusi can be cluch, but those guys are meatheads defensively, and Sheff does not have his bat together.  The Yanks took the team that had chart topping chemistry off the field (I mean Melky) and went with the Bashers again. When are they going to realize it'll never work.

And Moose.  He's just a playoff dud, just like Game 5 last year.  A Rod stunk today but Moose has no business criticizing him after 2 straight mediocre playoff starts.  He's not a big game pitcher.

As for A-Rod, George's comments about "not liking him" could not be weaker. Fuck George.

I'm going to pour a beer now.

by Four Train on Oct 5, 2006 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Funny how the Mets
got all that pre-series negative media about their pitching staff being a shambles, but their offense is coming through against LA, and so is their pitching.

by detroit yankee on Oct 5, 2006 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Just a Combo of Everyone
I point the finger at Posada and Moose.  I am never confident that he can keep a lead after getting it and he just gets too worked up when things don't go his way.

Posada's last at bat was just atrocious.  At least go down swinging. I know the first ball wasn't a strike but buck up Jorge, it's the playoffs.  

Has anyone done a study on what our record is when Sheffield plays?  I remember we started getting hot about the time he got injured. Coincidence? I know he's a HOF'er but there was something about the chemistry when he was out.

He would make a good PH right now.  That should be what he's doing. Make him put his ego aside.

All in all, we still almost pulled it out. I mean it wasn't a debacle, just a squandered opportunity. And that Jaret Wright game looms large.

Starting to bite my nails again.

"I don't know where we are, but we're making good time!" -Yogi Berra

by tarheel_highlander on Oct 5, 2006 11:55 PM EDT reply actions  

they outpitched us, pure and simple
Detroit pitched lights out.  it was that simple.  if not for that one bad pitch to Damon, they throw a shutout at us.  Verlander had a nasty curve ball working, and Zumaya was totally unhitable.  nobody is going to beat them when those guys are on like that.  but the good news is that's as good as it's going to get for Detroit.  we'll certainly put up more than 3 runs tomorrow and Saturday.  of course, the big question is how many Johnson and Wright and the bullpen will give up.

meanwhile, i'm watching the St. Louis - San Diego game and the Cards starter throws 5 innings of 2-hit, shutout ball and gets the W.  and what a coincidence -- he's got the exact same name as a guy who totally stunk it up for us several years ago.  weird, no? :)

"90% of the game is half mental." - Yogi

by lee on Oct 6, 2006 12:33 AM EDT reply actions  

I only caught the last four innings
but yeah, their pitching during that period was pretty right on and ferocious.
"That was pure youth, speed and recklessness." --Mike Mussina on Melky Cabrera's 6/5 sprint for home

by JaneKnowles on Oct 6, 2006 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Melk Man
Bring him back!

by Lou Reed Is My Hero on Oct 6, 2006 4:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Pour me some MELK!!!
I've heard that Tigers are Lactose Intolerant!
Let's serve 'em some MELK!!!

by Ronster22 on Oct 6, 2006 9:26 AM EDT reply actions  

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