Raul Ibanez: Is Yankees' Interest A Good Thing?
Disclaimer/Update: I originally had this scheduled for tomorrow morning, but with the Yankees close to signing Ibanez, I thought it would be more relevant to post it now.
Buster Olney recently reported that the Yankees will add a left-handed bat within the next week, and those connected include familiar names such as Johnny Damon and Hideki Matsui. However, the Yankees are also interested in Raul Ibanez, a left-handed hitter coming off a down 2011 season.
Ibanez is a New York native, will be entering his age-40 season, and just had his first below average season since 2000 when he posted a 64 OPS+ as a member of the Seattle Mariners. Prior to last season, he rattled off ten consecutive seasons of at least a 104 OPS+ and averaged a .287/.351/.484 triple slash, with a 118 OPS+ over those ten years.
Despite his continued success, Ibanez seemingly struggled in 2011, posting a 91 OPS+ while watching his OPS nearly drop off a cliff.
However, none of this really matters at this point. This was just to give you an idea of who Ibanez is and has been throughout his career. There's only one thing we want to know at this point given the Yankees' team needs.
What's his production like against right-handed pitching?
With the lineup nearly set, the only current opening is the DH slot against right-handed pitching. Ideally, this would go to a player that can not only hit righties well, but also play shortstop and third base in order to allow Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez to get rest throughout the season. However, players that can hit righties while also providing defensive value on the left side of the infield are very valuable commodities, and to find one on the cheap is practically impossible.
Since that's the case, the Yankees are left with the above mentioned options. And since we already have a good idea of what Damon and Matsui are all about, I figured it would be a good idea to look into the Yankees' third remaining option, Raul Ibanez.
Season
BB%
K%
BB/K
OBP
ISO
BABIP
wOBA
wRC+
2002
9.10%
11.50%
0.79
0.363
0.282
0.291
0.396
139
2003
8.60%
10.50%
0.81
0.370
0.165
0.331
0.363
117
2004
7.10%
10.70%
0.67
0.358
0.179
0.317
0.359
120
2005
10.90%
12.50%
0.87
0.359
0.160
0.302
0.347
116
2006
9.90%
14.60%
0.68
0.375
0.272
0.312
0.392
141
2007
9.70%
14.80%
0.65
0.371
0.223
0.323
0.382
136
2008
9.40%
14.20%
0.67
0.353
0.183
0.309
0.351
117
2009
10.10%
19.60%
0.51
0.342
0.250
0.287
0.362
119
2010
12.80%
14.40%
0.89
0.366
0.178
0.301
0.352
116
2011
6.90%
15.60%
0.44
0.307
0.184
0.270
0.322
101
Statistics from fangraphs.com
As you can see, Ibanez has fared very well against righties throughout his career. Leading up to 2011, Ibanez had six straight seasons of at least a 9.4% walk rate, his K% had remained very consistent, his BABIP had remained remarkably consistent, and his wRC+ had been well above average.
However, if you noticed, I highlighted two factors I think contributed to a down year for Ibanez in 2011. First, his walk rate plummeted to just under 7%, and his BABIP dipped to just .270, both representing significant decreases from career norms.
I won't pretend to be a stats expert, and I never will, but I will attempt to figure this out. At first, I thought Ibanez may have been less patient, swinging at balls outside of the strike zone (possibly explaining the lower BB%), which would lead to weaker contact through swinging at bad pitches, and thus, a lower BABIP. However, if he was making weaker contact, shouldn't his ISO (isolated slugging) also have seen a decrease?
Because I'm not a scout and I didn't watch Ibanez play often enough throughout his career, I can't give any definitive answers. This case is a bit curious to me, but who knows. Maybe some of it can be explained by age, but then again, his ISO should also reflect that - but it doesn't. Despite being in his upper 30s, his ISO has stayed very consistent, outside of what is seemingly an outlier in 2009. His ISO rates in 2008, 2010, and 2011 were nearly identical.
With a return to the American League, a home park in Yankee Stadium that was very hitter friendly in 2011, and notoriously friendly to left handed hitters, maybe Ibanez has a comeback season in him.
It doesn't seem impossible. The only two things that concerned me about his 2011 season were his BB% and his BABIP. A return to a ~9 BB% doesn't seem out of the question in the least bit, and since BABIP is notoriously fickle, it could easily bounce back to his career norms since it has mainly hovered in the .290-.310 range.
Additionally, with his power remaining consistent into his upper 30s, his raw numbers could even see an increase due to playing in Yankee Stadium rather than Citizens Bank Park, which was neutral with respect to runs and slightly favored pitchers with respect to home runs.
I know adding a poor defender isn't ideal, but Ibanez seems like a good candidate to give the Yankees above average production against right handed pitching out of the DH slot while combining with Andruw Jones to form a potent DH platoon.
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by Frank Campagnola on Feb 6, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
I was talking to the Rockets guy.
As for Ibañez, I don’t think he’s a bad idea if he comes cheap.
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I lean toward no on Ibanez, but I suppose I’d rather have him than Matsui. Of the three, I’d probably still rather have Damon, but if Ibanez is willing to accept less money, I don’t guess it would hurt too badly. Meh.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Feb 6, 2012 9:06 PM EST reply actions
Ibanez provided more pop against righties than Damon did last season, and their wRC+’s were basically the same, with Damon’s a little lower at 99. It’s kind of a wash
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by Frank Campagnola on Feb 6, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
That’s sort of what I mean. When it comes down to it, it’s basically personal preference at this point.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Feb 6, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
I would think Damon still moves better on the basepaths
He isnt the guy used to be but he can still go 1st to 3rd, I highly doubt any of these other options can. With that said, Damon isnt a role player just yet. So Ibanez probably fits what they want to do more.
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I'd like to sign Damon, too
I mean, the last time he was here we won the Series and he seemed like such a good fit. His numbers weren’t that bad last season, either.
Romine!
If we're going to have a DH who's nearing 40, I'd rather have Damon.
At least we know he can handle NY. Plus he can play the outfield if need be.
At this point, Damon probably plays 1B better than the OF
Id still prefer Damon to Ibanez though. I just dont think Damon wants to be a role player yet, so this probably makes more sense.
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Ibanez's swing got longer and slower
He could no longer catch up to a good fastbal or breaking pitch. (fastball because he was too slow, breaking pitch because he had to start his swing too early…often the breaking pitches would fool him.)
That being said, when he’d run in to one and guess correctly, he could still make it leave the park.
As far as playing the field...
Ibanez will still catch everything he gets to, but range is a factor. His arm is pretty bad but not godawful. He can play LF adequately, but not well.
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Still surprised the Yankees didn’t outbid the Indians.
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by SheaWasBettor21 on Feb 6, 2012 10:01 PM EST reply actions
Why would he come to NY?
He’s got a better chance over there to prove that he’s healthy and score a big payday for next year and beyond.
by Scooby Snacks on Feb 7, 2012 10:04 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
This wouldn't be horrible
I’d prefer Johnny Damon because he can move better on the basepaths and can still steal a base every now and again. Plus, since hitting-wise it’s kind of a wash I just prefer Johnny for all the reasons people claim don’t matter. Intangibles, has been here, handles NY, likable person, etc…
But if Ibanez comes cheaper, by all means. Just get somebody who can form the platoon. I have a feeling Damon’s price is going to drop sooner or later though. His situation is getting kind of desperate.
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why are we signing this piece of shit?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
So to get a little nerdy
Fangraphs has a downloadable spreadsheet to calculate xBABIP, or expected BABIP based on the batted ball profile of a player – how many line drives, flyballs, groundballs. More info here: http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/xbabip-spreadsheet/
Raul came out at .302 xBABIP, much higher than his actual .268 BABIP, and in line with his career .302 BABIP.
However, last year he set career highs in O-Swing%, or the percent of pitches outside the strike zone that he swung at, at 31%, 3.4% higher than his average since 2007, when this data first was collected. He also swung at 2.9% more pitches inside the zone than his average since 2007. In all, he swung at 3% more pitches than his average over the last 5 years. Now, this could be good, but only if his contact rates remained the same. Unfortunately, while his contact inside the strikezone remained similar, his contact rate outside the strikezone dropped 5.3% from his five year average, and 12.2% from his 2008 numbers. This number has been trending downward since 2008, and has resulted in less pitches being thrown to him inside the zone, a 1.7% decrease from 2010 to 2011.
What does this all mean? According to his batted ball profile, he had an unlucky BABIP last year, by about 34 points. However, at the same time, how he is creating this profile has changed. He is chasing many more pitches outside the strikezone, thile his contact rate on those pitches has dropped leading to an increase in the number of pitches he sees outside the strikezone. So, if pitchers continue to make him chase, and his contact rates continue to decline, he could be very bad next year, much worse than his unlucky BABIP in 2011 would lead you to believe.
I'd rather give Chris Dickerson a shot, along with Eric Chavez
or try JD Drew. The broadening of Raul’s swing zone likely is an attempt at overcoming deficient batspeed by swinging at a hard to reach but hittable ball because he fears the next fastball will strike him out.
Dickerson is terrible and Chavez is unreliable.
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And yet both are still probably better options than Ibanez
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How?
Maybe a reduced role and less time on his knees in the OF will help him at the plate. He did hit 20 homers last year despite his many problems regardless. Dickerson can’t hit for shit and Chavez does not impress much either.
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I thnk Dickerson and Chavez being able to play the field helps a great deal
HRs are nice but having depth helps more in my opinion. I really dont think that Ibanez has much left in the tank. This will probably be Winn 2.0
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Randy Winn was never the hitter Ibanez was and you know it.
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I agree but Ibanez looks about as washed up as Winn did
Personally, I would rather give somebody in house a shot. I dont see why they just wont try something like that.
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Who’s in house, Jorge Vazquez?
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Id even let Nunez get some at bats
And there has to be somebody that can hit in minors. If not, why even have these guys on the team? I know the Yankees have to have an all star or a “name” at every spot in the lineup but maybe going with some youth might uncover some hidden diamond
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Did you read the article or check out the numbers? He was still above league average against righties despite a bizarre drop in BB% and BABIP, and his power has remained the same against them over the last four years. Coming to a hitter’s park would help him, as well.
Comparing him to Winn is not fair in the least bit.
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by Frank Campagnola on Feb 7, 2012 2:03 AM EST up reply actions
I read the article, I dont think he is worth a roster spot
Its pretty much the same as having Jorge, he takes up a spot and can only do one thing. Like I said, HRs are nice but with only 25 roster spots, you want a guy that can play some defense too. Sorry, Im just not a fan of signing Ibanez. Maybe the WInn comparison is harsh, but thats pretty much what he represents to me at this point.
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It’s just that the Yankees only need him to do one thing. I know having a guy with positional versatility is ideal, and I talk about that in the article. It’s just that it is nearly impossible to find a guy that can play good defense and hit righties well and expect that player to be in a utility role – those guys are starters and get paid a lot of money.
With limited resources right now, Ibanez isn’t a bad choice.
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by Frank Campagnola on Feb 7, 2012 2:12 AM EST up reply actions
Thats why I ask why not just give one of our kids a shot
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None of the kids are viable options. The only one that was viable got traded
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by Frank Campagnola on Feb 7, 2012 2:21 AM EST up reply actions
Why arent they viable though?
It doesnt always take a top ten ranking in some minors publication to break through.
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Well, hitting minor league pitching consistently is usually a good start. None of them have done that at a level that suggests they wouldn’t absolutely blow against major league pitching.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Feb 7, 2012 2:28 AM EST up reply actions
There isnt anybody in AAA that can hit at all?
Im not expecting another Montero but how can they have not one player in the minors that can hit at all? Shouldnt somebody under some fire for this?
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This is a main reason why people were mad about the Montero trade.
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by Frank Campagnola on Feb 7, 2012 2:33 AM EST up reply actions
But thats only one player
It seems like they arent doing much in terms of development when it comes to position players down on the farm.
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They are, they are just not close to the majors. Montero was by far the closest position player, which was why it was difficult to lose him.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Feb 7, 2012 2:38 AM EST up reply actions
I understand that but besides him
It seems like they are having one position player break through every 5 years. We had Cano in 05, followed by Gardner in 09/10. Forgive me if Im missing someone.
We dont even have a Shelly Duncan down there? Im not asking for a superstar or even an everyday player, just a guy that can play some D and hit righties. Is that too much to ask for,lol?
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At Scranton, yeah, it kind of is. If they are unimpressive against minor leaguers, it’s only going to be worse if you try to play them against major leaguers.
Guys who are there either need to be there (Romine, Kruml) or are there because they aren’t good enough to be elsewhere (Chato).
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Feb 7, 2012 2:44 AM EST up reply actions
Thinking they might need some better talent evaluators
I know there are some good prospects for way down the road but it makes you wonder what the scouting department was doing for the last 10 years. Even the best hitting spects they had like Tabata and AJax were pretty much average guys.
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The guys at Scranton are not impressive. At all. Romine will be one of their best hitters.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Feb 7, 2012 2:33 AM EST up reply actions
Whats the story with that Parraz kid?
Not being sarcastic, I really dont know,lol.
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He’s with the Braves now.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Feb 7, 2012 2:40 AM EST up reply actions
Whats he doing there?
LOL, I feel like a tard for not knowing that.
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You should probably use a word other than “tard.”
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Sorry, I feel dumb for not knowing
My bad for using that term, not looking to upset anyone.
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Yankees didn’t want him.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Feb 7, 2012 2:46 AM EST up reply actions
That makes sense
Guessing they have better on the way?
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The SWB outfield is rather crowded with mediocrity. He was expendable.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Feb 7, 2012 2:49 AM EST up reply actions
Loving that mediocrity
I knew Montero was a tough guy to lose but I figured we at least had a role player down there. Im still not liking a move to pick up Ibanez but I guess we cant count on the farm.
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The next impact bat that you might see in the majors is Gary Sanchez, who will start the season at Tampa. That’s kind of the scary part.
There are people like Laird who might be able to fill in in a pinch, but no one you’d want getting close to regular at bats in the majors.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Feb 7, 2012 2:56 AM EST up reply actions
Pretty scary that the cabinets are bare and they need to trim payroll
Yanks seem to need some help in the scouting and development areas. With the money they have, I would expect them to have the very best in these departments but it doesnt look that way.
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Well, I think the farm is fine, it’s just not close to major league ready. The low levels have tons of promising talent, they are just 3-4 years off.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Feb 7, 2012 3:02 AM EST up reply actions
3-4 years away is great but that means they are walking a tightrope in 2012 with some aging players already. I know that they lost some picks due to FA signings but it seems to me that someone isn’t doing a good job or they are extremely unlucky.
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Extreme depth at 2 positions = scarce everywhere else. It’s a bit of a double edged sword.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Feb 7, 2012 3:07 AM EST up reply actions
But…but…the Yankees system is strong!
What? The only real strength they have is pitching and that’s been rendered almost completely useless?
Oh.
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Feb 7, 2012 2:57 AM EST up reply actions
Looking at what the Yanks have at SWB, it seems their plan for the 12 season is lots of prayers that no hitters get hurt. Even if they kept Montero, their lack of depth for 2012 is very scary.
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Pretty much. If anyone significant goes down with an injury you can probably say goodbye to ManBan or one other the scarce good players they have in the system.
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Feb 7, 2012 3:08 AM EST up reply actions
I could see them moving Hughes before ManBan
Which is why I think Nova will wind up starting in AAA to begin the year. It will be almost out of need to showcase Hughes and AJ. Personally, I would keep Hughes due to Kuroda and Garcia being older and probably out of here after 12.
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SWB’s lineup will be some mash up of Chato, Romine, Dewayne Wise, Dan Brewer/Ray Kruml, Brandon Laird, Corban Joseph, Ramiro Pena/Kevin Russo, maybe Justin Maxwell and a carousel at DH.
WOOOOOO
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Feb 7, 2012 2:52 AM EST up reply actions
So I take it you wont be buying any tickets to any SWB games
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You kidding? I’m ordering season tickets next time I get paid.
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Feb 7, 2012 3:03 AM EST up reply actions
I should start going to the games here in Tampa
This way I can see the future guys we can trade. Only went to one game in Tampa to see Clemens on his way back to the big club. Only guy that stood out was Tabata on that night.
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This way I can see the future guys we can trade
That’s pretty much how you have to watch the games as a Yankees fan.
“Damn, this guy is really good. Wonder who he’ll be traded for in 2 years.”
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Feb 7, 2012 3:17 AM EST up reply actions
Sounds to me like our single A team could probably take our AAA squad
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Not with SWB’s pitching staff…
That was really the only selling point when I thought about getting tickets.
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Feb 7, 2012 3:24 AM EST up reply actions
I discussed it in a prior article. Nunez hits righties very poorly and Jorge Vazquez has serious contact issues to the point where people expect him to hover around the mendoza line. Those are the in house options.
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by Frank Campagnola on Feb 7, 2012 2:28 AM EST up reply actions
To be fair, isn’t Philly a hitter’s park as well?
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"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth
Sigh…also mentioned in the article.
his raw numbers could even see an increase due to playing in Yankee Stadium rather than Citizens Bank Park, which was neutral with respect to runs and slightly favored pitchers with respect to home runs.
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by Frank Campagnola on Feb 7, 2012 2:10 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I saw that, but I don't think there's that much of a difference.
What are you measuring by? Shouldn’t the fact that the AL has a DH while the NL has a weak-hitting pitcher negatively impact the NL park by a few ticks anyway?
"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth
Veering off topic, so deal with it:
We’ve been hearing about how difficult it is to get pitching and how easy it is to go out and find a filler bat, so Montero was expendable and replaceable for the golden arm of Pineda. The likes of Edwin Jackson, Hiroki Kuroda, and Roy Oswalt are available on a one-year deals, David Phelps and Adam Warren are on the cusp of being major league ready, Betances and Banuelos could be ready to roll soon as well, and we’re pursuing Bill Hall and the corpse of Raul Ibanez, of a combined -2.9 fWAR last year.
In what universe does this add up? Is the plan really to get one of these schmucks to DH, pray for Andruw Jones to stay productive and for the glass statues of Russell Martin and Francisco Cervelli to stay healthy? It seems like we’ve already overbooked our rotation and are going to have to do something stupid like dumping Hughes in the pen or Nova in AAA and could really use the depth at C/DH.
Huh.
it's only a temporary logjam for the starting rotation though
next year freddy and kuroda will be gone and a.j. will either be in his last year or with another club. it’s not like we have long-term commitments to several starters.
Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.
Next year, A-Rod, Jeter, and Tex will all be another year past the age of being good, Nick Swisher and Russell Martin will likely be gone, Granderson and Cano will be on their last option years, and there is not likely to be anyone at all coming up from the minors.
The Yankees were well positioned to sign a few short deals and trust their talent on the farm to augment a struggling rotation if need be. They are not at all positioned to augment a struggling lineup, making it even more stupid to trade their blue chip catcher. They’ve forced themselves into a position where it’s inevitable that the majority of those pitching prospects are going to need to be traded because they’ll be blocked in the rotation and there will be holes in the lineup, which kind of undermines the whole point.
I dont anything to add to your rant but I will say "the corpse of Raul Ibanez" comment gave me a great laugh, thanks
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Even if Montero was here, he'd still just be one young hitter on a team of 30 somethings.
He wasn’t going to magically make everything better in a couple years by himself, they’d be running into that problem anyway. Also we still haven’t seen him in a full season at the major league level; while I do think that he will find success given his September showing, it’s not guaranteed.
Concerning the pitching prospects, I’m reminded a little of the Granderson deal. I believe Austin Jackson was projected to turn into a player similar to Granderson, so the Yankees essentially just hit the fast-forward button on him and got the already-seasoned Granderson. Michael Pineda is the pitcher that Dellin Betances could become, so they hit the fast-forward button on him as well. So Betances is now more expendable if the opportunity to trade for a good, young bat comes along.
"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth
The difference though is that we didn't give up anything really essentially in getting Granderson
Even if Montero was just one young hitter on a team of 30 somethings, he still helps to solve a potential problem in the future, whereas pitching wasn’t really that great of a concern for the future considering our current pitching depth/what was available for us to sign.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Feb 7, 2012 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
I guess I just don't have as much faith in the organization's starting pitching as some do.
Duggan cited Phelps & Warren as being ML-ready, but I’ve seen few reports of them forecasting anything better than back-of-the-rotation starter. ManBan & Betances still have a good couple years to go before being ready and nothing is definite for them. What if they never solve their command issues? Trusting them entirely is a gamble in it of itself.
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"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth
I have faith in our organizations starting pitching
Just not in their ability to develop them.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Feb 7, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Additionally, I think I’ve mentioned before that tales of the Yankees’ offensive inevitable decline are likely exaggerated. Cano and Granderson are only going into their young 30s, which is a far cry from Jeterian age, I don’t know why they’re being lumped in. Even Tex will only be 35 in 2015, and if he’s anything like the power-hitting switch-hitters we’ve seen in the past (Chipper Jones, Berkman, Posada, etc.), he’ll be fine. The Yankees simply don’t permit their teams to lack offense; they haven’t had a team offense with an OPS+ under 100 since 1991. Also, even lineups with aging Rodriguezes and Teixeiras are still better than the majority of the league’s lineups.
"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth
Pretty much my thoughts on the situation as well
The fact that Nova is not an official lock for the rotation kinda says it all.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Feb 7, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
As for Ibanez
I hang out a lot at The Good Phight, and if there is one thing about Ibanez that drove everyone crazy is the consistency.
Ever since he got there he’ll tear it up for a month then dissapear for 2 and so on.
That and his defence, but that part doesn’t matter in this situation.
I’d rather Damon or Matsui….

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