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Derek Jeter is Turning 38 in June- Cause for Concern?

Team do not often employ starting shortstops who are closer to 50 than to their high school graduation. That's just a fact of life in baseball. However, not many teams can say that its starting shortstop is one of the best to ever play the position, either. The Yankees and Derek Jeter find themselves in a unique position; despite his second-half surge last year, Jeter is still not the same player that he was as recently as 2009. Yet he is under contract through 2013 with a player option for another season after that and has stated that he has no plans to retire anytime soon.

So even with his diminished defensive skills and slowing bat speed, the Yankees will, barring injury, continue to trot Jeter out as their shortstop for a few more years. Thus, the question must be raised about how many shortstops turning 38 have had productive seasons. The short answer? It has happened, and not just once or twice. Is it likely though? Follow the jump and find out.

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Our friend, Baseball-Reference Play Index, will be a wonderful assistant for this examination! In the search for 38-year-old players who appeared in 90% of a minimum 100 games at shortstop (as Jeter will in all likelihood), only 21 such seasons show up, thus proving how the rarity of the situation.

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There are some notable names, in there; specifically, Honus Wagner affirms his status as the best shortstop ever with a 8.1 rWAR season at age 38. Further, Luke Appling also proves his status as most underrated shortstop ever with three good seasons after age 38, including a 4.6 rWAR season at age 42. However, with these good seasons come subpar ones, like Larry Bowa's -1.1 rWAR disaster in '84.

It should be understood that Jeter's sub-replacement-level defense knocks him down a few pegs on the rWAR scale, as the system takes the sum of offensive WAR and defensive WAR. His '11 season of 0.7 rWAR would land between Rabbit Maranville's two seasons on the list ('30 & '31), so that does not portend great things if rWAR is the only criteria. Jeter's main value at this point comes from his offense, which is still good for a shortstop. His late-season surge last year bumped his OPS+ up to 97; although the stat is not listed in the chart above, Jeter's 2011 OPS+ would be behind Wagner's 144 in '12, Appling's 125, 125, and 117 in '47, '49, and '46 respectively, and Wagner's 113 in '13. Not bad company to be around, especially there have not been many shortstops in history with the offensive capabilities similar to Jeter. It might be asking a little much of Jeter to approach seasons like Wagner and Appling's when he's only had an OPS+ above 102 once in the past four years, but it would be fair to expect a minimum 95 OPS+ season. Hell, if an 40-year-old Barry Larkin could muster a .289/.352/.419 triple slash in his final season after all those years of injuries, it's certainly possible for Jeter to equal or better these numbers.

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Derek Jeter's 2012 will be _____ _____ his 2011 season.
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Equal to
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Going by Baseball Reference

1.3 WAR in 2010, 0.7 WAR last year. Is there any reason we shouldn’t be concerned? He had a 2.7 WAR in 2008, so his only great year in the past 4 was 2009.

by Monotonousblob on Feb 26, 2012 1:31 PM EST reply actions  

yeah but his WAR is skewed by his majorly negative defense

i like sabermetrics, but i think the defense still needs some tweaking. i think there’s no way that DJ’s defense is so far below average to give up that many runs. i wouldn’t put all my eggs in the WAR basket.

Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.

by goyanks69 on Feb 26, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Does that mean his hit total goes down with him?

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by Kevin L on Feb 26, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

First to 0 = HOF!!

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by Kevin L on Feb 26, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Omar Vizquel's age 39 season looks like a good baramoter

Production equalling or surpassing that would make me happy. Of course one could say Vizquel is an outlier, but my entirely uninformed opinion is Jeter has the body, knowledge, and motivation to play at a high level into his 40’s.

by Now Batting on Feb 26, 2012 2:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Perhaps, but Jeter's not a great comp to Omar

Omar’s primary value has typically been from defense, whereas Jeter’s has been from offense.

"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth

by Andrew GM on Feb 26, 2012 2:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

My question is ...

Considering the ‘budget’ restraints, players who are availible on the market or in the system, what is the alternative?

by ogrover on Feb 26, 2012 2:11 PM EST reply actions  

I don't think there is any alternative regardless of resources

I mean it’s Derek Jeter. He’s the most popular Yankee since Mickey Mantle. I’d imagine if his triple slash in 2014 is something like 260/330/340 (a bit worse than 2010) the Yankees would be hard pressed not to resign him.

by Now Batting on Feb 26, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

If Jeter hits 260/330/340 as a 40 year old

With who knows how bad of defense by then, then they should not resign him. If he wants to tarnish his legacy by playing for someone else, let him make that choice. But no way should he hold the team hostage by the threat of him in another uniform.

by cookiedabookie on Feb 26, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I know

I guess I should have put an “again” in there.

by cookiedabookie on Feb 26, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah well the team let that happen...

They bid against themselves for Jeter and they’re going to pay for it the next 3 years. He couldn’t have gotten half of what the Yankees gave him on the open market. They were in a tough spot because it was Jeter, so they caved, but his current contract should have been for 2 years, not 4.

He should be splitting time with someone by 2014, possibly by 2013, depending on how bad this season is. And after 2014, it’s time to move on completely, even if Jeter insists on putting on another uniform, which I can’t believe he’d do, even in the unlikely event that he had the opportunity to.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Feb 26, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

depending on how bad this season is

Why so sure it’s going to be bad? If it’s comparable to last season, that’ll be great.

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves.

by david d on Feb 26, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Bullshit

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves.

by david d on Feb 26, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

He did.

Cashman didn’t want to pay an over-the-hill player 15-17 mil a year but Jeter threw a hissy fit until he got his way.

by Briceratops on Feb 26, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Fangraphs like Jeter a lot more than baseball-reference does, so that’s something to consider.

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by Frank Campagnola on Feb 26, 2012 2:13 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed

Only problem is Fangraphs sadly does not have Play Index.

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by Andrew GM on Feb 26, 2012 2:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I love Jeter's B-Day

Cause it’s mine too, June 26th!

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by BrooklynNets8 on Feb 26, 2012 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

His triple slash over the last two seasons

.282/.347/.378, producing a .725 OPS. I think a .280/.350/.380 is about as good as we can expect from him at this point. While not great, it is still productive for a SS (although not worth $17 million).

by cookiedabookie on Feb 26, 2012 3:15 PM EST reply actions  

2014 option

Isn’t the player option for a bit less money?

by alouishes on Feb 26, 2012 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

$8 million

With $3 million buyout. So basically a $5 million deal – if Jeter thinks he can get more than $5 million from the Yankees, or another team, then he will opt out.

by cookiedabookie on Feb 26, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Not all that worried about him

Obviously eventually something will have to change at the shortstop position. But looking at 2012, he’s the guy and he should be. If he can repeat 2011 offensively, especially the second half, then the Yankees are fine.

Defensively, any old player playing a position where quickness is important is a concern. Though to his credit, the balls he gets to he makes the play, and there is some value in that.

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by nyyrocks29 on Feb 26, 2012 4:26 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

when you hit the ball to Derek Jeter

you’re out. there’s a lot of value in that instead of being overly concerned about his range

I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.

by NJsandman on Feb 26, 2012 5:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

you have to be overly concerned about his range

Yes, he is a very reliable fielder on balls hit to him. He is terrible outside of that. Looking at old school stats (because most know new school stats already hate his fielding), in 2011 he was last in putouts, and second to last in assists and double plays. Like Ave vs OBP for batters, he has a high average on fielding balls, but a low number of total balls fielded, and therefore much less outs created. You want to create more outs as a fielder, and he does not do that.

by cookiedabookie on Feb 26, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

The idea with good defense is to turn the maximum number of batted balls into outs. When you have a middle infielder and part of your double play combination that can only make plays within a few steps of his starting position, that will almost always trump being able to avoid errors. And, as much as people like to harp about how UZR was invented to slander Derek Jeter, I think that the ratings that he has completely confirm what I see when I watch him play. Since 2002:

Error Runs: +31.6
Range Runs: -75.6
Double Play Runs: -4.9
Total: -48.9

Good at avoiding errors, but not covering enough ground. And he has always hit well enough that if he gives back ~5 runs a season with his defense, you can more than live with it. Whether or not he will continue to hit well enough to carry his defense remains to be seen, but I think the Yankees are really hoping that he can play a less than brutal shortstop for a few more seasons. A singles hitting DH in his late 30s is pretty close to worthless, but one who can play shortstop, even poorly, can still contribute.

by Lord Duggan on Feb 26, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Couldn’t have said it better

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves.

by david d on Feb 26, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I bet he'll have a similar year.

A lesser version of his amazing second half.

Linning and Winning!

by Joe21 on Feb 26, 2012 4:37 PM EST reply actions  

He’s not going to keep playing after the current contract expires.

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves.

by david d on Feb 26, 2012 4:51 PM EST reply actions  

You never know…

"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth

by Andrew GM on Feb 26, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow the poll is really close.

Interesting.

"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth

by Andrew GM on Feb 26, 2012 7:56 PM EST reply actions  

Jeter's meter still running, but get ready Yanks!

Jeter started in slump last year and was injured but rebounded to have a .297 BA at end of season—not a MLB team out there that wouldn’t love those statistics from its shortstop. Not to mention hitting a HR for his 3000th hit, what more could you ask for from the team’s captain? Sure his defense will suffer some, he’s not a 20 yr. old kid out there anymore but it’s time Yankees MUST be preparing for his replacement NOW! If he continues to play this season like last, he’s sure to put up good numbers but he’s not invincible and the bottom could fall out when least expected and Yanks need to be ready for that time.

by Shavager on Feb 26, 2012 10:08 PM EST reply actions  

Jeter should bat #2

One change I wish Girardi would make is bat Brett Gardner first in the order and Jeter behind him—to me that gives Jeter options to go to right, hit and run, bunt, swing away to move up the runner. Best for Yankees it’s a potential runner on base with a hitter coming to bat with excellent bat control followed by Granderson, Cano or Tex and Rodriguez and Yankees could increase their run scoring in early innings instead of making moves in late innings and depending on offense against relievers.

by Shavager on Feb 26, 2012 10:18 PM EST reply actions  

With Gardner 9th

Jeter does bat after Gardner. The only time he doesn’t is leading off the game, and Jeter’s numbers leading off the game? .350/.402/.510. I’d say leave it alone.

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves.

by david d on Feb 26, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

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