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Frank started a nice little discussion about Yankees pitching prospect Dellin Betances last month, and after reviewing some of the recent scouting reports on him, I wanted to dig a little deeper to get to the potential root of his control issues.

There are three things that worry me about Dellin Betances' future as a starting pitcher, and we'll analyze each after the jump.

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I started doing a little digging around for more detailed opinions and video of Betances from this past season. Control has always been his bugaboo, but what causes his bouts of wildness?

Betances collapses his back leg

We'll start with this outstanding analysis by Nathaniel Stoltz:

Because he’s collapsing his back leg and throwing straight over the top, Betances is not only costing himself some height leverage, but he’s also dramatically compromising his ability to get downward plane. Between the back-leg collapse and high arm slot, after all, his release is basically uphill, which is the exact opposite of where you want a tall pitcher to be throwing. The results of this problem were quite dramatic in his debut:

Think about that for a moment. If you're trying to get on top of the ball and get it to finish low in the strike zone, you need to drive with your back leg and finish with a downward motion to the plate. By collapsing his back leg, Betances is giving up that back leg drive and finish, thus keeping his pitches up in the zone. This pitch location chart drives the point home:

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via seedlingstostars.com




Stoltz adds further analysis on these results:

Basically, it’s physically quite difficult for Betances to throw the ball down in the strike zone. Part of the problem we see in this small sample is just him overthrowing some due to the high emotions of a big league debut (and subsequent first start), but part of it is very real and speaks to a significant problem with the righthander going forward.

To get a better idea of this, let's take a look at some video of Betances, and new Yankees pitcher Michael Pineda, to compare their finishes:

Betances:



Pineda:



The video on Pineda is from early 2010, but best illustrates how well he finishes his delivery. Betances gives up his back leg drive before actually releasing the ball, as you can see right around the 10 second mark of his video clip.

Correcting this flaw may lead to more consistent results with all of his pitches, and keep the ball down in the zone more frequently.

Betances has lag in his delivery

The guys over at Bullpen Banter noted delivery lag in their recent report on Betances, something I wanted to see for myself. While browsing individual at-bats, I came across this example pretty early on. To get the full effect, focus only on the delivery, and ignore the ball. You should get a better idea of what I'm talking about.




The first time I watched this clip, I noticed significant lag following the pitch at the 1:27 mark. I wanted to see if I noticed a difference with the next pitch, and it soon became obvious Betances was bringing the heater as I watched him whip through his delivery. The hitter may have also noticed this, since he deposited the pitch over the right-center wall, which also makes me wonder if the lag is tipping Betances pitches.

A lag in the delivery leads to inconsistent release points. Repeating your delivery gets tricky when working with different arm speeds, and while it comes free and easy, the end result is not usually where Betances or his catcher wants the ball to be.

Betances has a lot of moving parts

This one is pretty self-explanatory. There is a lot going on with a 6-foot-8 pitcher, and his frame needs to be in sync in order to achieve desired results. In a way, this is a combination of the first two points made, but needs to be stressed as a separate final point. CC Sabathia and Michael Pineda are both tall pitchers who have good mechanics, and are able to consistently pound the zone with strikes. This isn't by accident, it's due to their sound pitching mechanics and repeatable deliveries.

Betances has many questions surrounding his back leg, release point, and stiff manner in which he lands on his front foot to complete his delivery. His collapsing back leg and stiff landing leads me to concerns over his extension to the plate, and whether these factors will lead to future injury concerns. Remember, Betances already underwent Tommy John surgery in 2009, so additional arm troubles are a future concern.

In conclusion...

Dellin Betances will be 24 years old when the season begins, and while the talent is there, how much longer will he be considered a top prospect if the control issues continue to hinder him in 2012? Scouts talk about Betances high ceiling, and the frontline potential he possesses, and rightfully so. All the tools are there for him to be a dominant major league starter. If he's able to iron things out, he could reach his ceiling. But can he?

Manny Banuelos has passed him in the eyes of the scouting community, and is likely to get a look in the rotation before Betances. Banuelos is also three years younger, and will be given a longer leash when it comes to figuring out his own struggles with control.

With everyone and their mother speculating about the retirement of Mariano Rivera, one has to wonder if a move to the bullpen lies ahead for Betances. His power arsenal would certainly play well in relief, but placing him in the pen seems like such a waste of his immense talent. Ultimately, it may be what is best for the Yankees, and also where his only opportunity may lie.

My gut tells me the bullpen is where he ends up. I'm certainly not giving up on him, but I'm concerned. I hope I'm wrong, and he gets things figured out as a starter. For now, we're left to wonder if this enigma will ever pan out and be the star Yankee fans hoped he would already be.

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What will Dellin Betances' role eventually be in the majors?
Starter
113 votes
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89 votes
Neither... he flames out and doesn't stick in the majors
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Can you explain the problem with throwing over the top?

I play the outfield and my coaches constantly get on my back for not throwing over the top, so this idea of throwing over the top being detrimental is foreign to me me.

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by ncquake24 on Feb 21, 2012 5:40 PM EST reply actions  

It isn't detrimental

The report suggests that Betances dropping his back leg is costing him leverage. There is nothing wrong with throwing over the top.

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by Rob Steingall on Feb 21, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

How can he transition to the bullpen

when his mechanics are complete crap? I don’t understand how the organization let him go this far with those mechanics. I honestly think this is proof that the Yankee organization has no idea how to develop a pitching prospect. At 24 he should be fine tuning his stuff for the majors, not in need of an alteration in his mechanics. This should have been dealt with years ago, but instead they allow him to continue a detrimental and possibly dangerous style of pitching…

by jetanumba2 on Feb 21, 2012 5:53 PM EST reply actions  

Bullpen Transition

He’s always been a starter, so your guess is as good as mine as far as how the transition would go.

He has a big fastball and plus curve. If he focuses on getting hitters out exclusively with those pitches, he could find major success in a relief role.

I’m not giving up on him as a starter yet, he could still get it figured out.

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by Rob Steingall on Feb 21, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

but his problem is mechanical, not necessarily control

how can putting him in the bullpen be the answer? He’d still pitch like he’s falling over. I just don’t understand how they didn’t look at him and say “oh, maybe you should straighten your leg out more” because it seems like his trouble is coming from his positioning to the plate.

by jetanumba2 on Feb 21, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Your point is sound

I hear you loud and clear. I’m thinking more along the lines of slight mechanical alterations that he can repeat over short periods of time in a bullpen role, without needing to do a complete overhaul of his delivery that may or may not pan out.

Most importantly, anything that will help him keep the ball down in the zone.

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by Rob Steingall on Feb 21, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

that would be a real disservice to his potential

that sounds an awful like a bandaid and if they were todo that I think it exposes our development system right out in the open with its pants down

by jetanumba2 on Feb 21, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

The temptation

With physically large pitchers with a lot of moving parts is to transition them to the bullpen so they work almost exclusively out of the stretch position, which leaves fewer opportunities for mechanical failures. That is the temptation; the quick fix and the easy way out.
Save it for a last resort.

by Iggy Poptart on Feb 23, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea I mean i think we are a few years away from that decision having to be made and the Yankees should use every bit of those years to assure they’re making the right decision for this kid.

Betances in the bullpen does make some sense, although I know it’s not what anyone really wants to hear. Right now Betances has 2 plus pitches(fastball and knuckle curve). We know all about his fast ball, but this curveball is very sharp and has a lot of late break. It’s considered well above average.

Now, if these 2 pitches remain his only above average pitches, I think we’re looking at a reliever. His next best pitch is his circle changeup. It’s below average and that’s what I think is going to determine his future. If he can develop that changeup into an effective pitch I think he can be an MLB starter. But right now he has yet to do that. You can get away with 2 plus pitches in the pen, but not in the rotation.

On the contrary, something that makes me think he’s most valuable in the rotation someday is his fastball. He mantains his velocity well into ballgames. This makes me think he may not see that typical large jump in velocity coming out of the pen. But maybe he’s one of those rare guys who not only can mantain top velocity deep into games but also bump it up towards 100 when pitching for an inning. But I really tend to lean towards him mantaining his velocity as very valuable goign into the future if he’s a starter.

by cermolaNY2 on Feb 21, 2012 7:33 PM EST reply actions  

Obviously his control is huge too. But that doesn’t necessarily play towards any type of pitching(starting or relieving).

by cermolaNY2 on Feb 21, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

something about this guy reminds me of AJ...

minimal control, two plus pitches… maybe we should inspect that his hands aren’t cut. Or that he doesn’t have a black eye.

by yanksrule on Feb 21, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea is Betances going to have a 5 era and then blame the Yankees for “tinkering” with him? What a joke.

by cermolaNY2 on Feb 21, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Nailed this one.

I’ve been pretty low on Betances for a while because of pretty much everything that you mentioned; he just has terrible balance when he pitches. To throw right over the top, his torso leans way to the first base side and he is almost always falling off the rubber. His release point (and pitches) end up all over the map, and while it does take tall pitchers longer to put it all together sometimes, it’s hard to imagine him ever being able to avoid spraying the ball without completely retooling his mechanics.

I don’t know if a shift to the bullpen would help or not. Would the simple act of pitching more often make him more consistent and less likely to come out and walk the ballpark any given day? I really don’t know, but I have a feeling that we’re going to be finding out pretty soon.

I think that it’s interesting that he took such a different route than Banuelos, whom he will be forever linked to, in getting to the same result: too many walks and terrible pitch efficiency. While Betances is wild and erratic, Banuelos has a beautiful delivery, but last season was completely allergic to pitching to contact. While it’s common in the lower levels of the minors to get less polished hitters to chase pitches outside of the zone, as he moved up, pitches that he was throwing a few inches off the corners or breaking balls that ended up in the dirt were getting fewer and fewer swings.

I would say that a pretty apt comparison to make would be the 2009 version of Joba Chamberlain. Good stuff, pretty decent control, but if they wouldn’t chase his slider, he’d give up a few too many walks and would need 100 pitches to get through five innings. This is not so uncommon for young pitchers and Manny can definitely work through it, but he really needs to attack more in the zone and trust his stuff. Dellin, on the other hand, looks like a mess.

by Lord Duggan on Feb 21, 2012 8:13 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Yea good comparison to Joba. Joba had that fastball and slider, but didnt have another real elite level pitch. All of these other factors such as delivery and control don’t really determine where he’ll end up, that’s why I think it’s really about his third pitch. We’ll see.

by cermolaNY2 on Feb 21, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

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by Brandon C. on Feb 21, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks… although like you said, anyone who takes the time to watch and examine him could see he’s a train wreck when it comes to balance. Some of the footage I watched on him was actually kind of comical, the way he flew off the mound to the first base side.

Then, there were the handful of times where he was balanced, and looked like an absolute stud. A very frustrating case. A complete retooling of his mechanics is probably the only way to effectively save him as a starter.

The bullpen shift is an animal I don’t want to touch with a 50 foot pole. I’m with you on your line of thinking that maybe the increased frequency will help him find more consistency, and I think it may also help if he focuses on his two best pitches.

I just came across this at Baseball America, and thought it was pretty high praise for Betances’ curveball:

Curveball: Dellin Betances (Yankees)
TCF: There are quite a few high-end curves in the minors, so the talent pool was deep and the decision was difficult. When polled, lefty Matt Moore’s power curve received more votes (it was close), but Betances had more fervent support, with one source calling it "a career-defining pitch." It’s a long season, and this particular source has been in the sun for too many months without respite, but hyperbole aside, the pitch is legit. Coming from the arm of a man standing close to 6-foot-9, the tumbling knuckle-curve presents depth that hitters struggle to track, as the vertical dive is extreme and sharp. The command isn’t there yet, which limits Betances’ curveball’s overall effectiveness for now, but it’s still a plus pitch when it’s loose, and when Betances owns it, it’s plus-plus offering full of nastiness.

2012 is going to be a make or break year for him, and it will be interesting to see what happens.

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by Rob Steingall on Feb 21, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea that thing really is filthy.

by cermolaNY2 on Feb 21, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

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