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With Burnett Gone, How Does the Yankee Rotation Shape Up?

The interesting case of A.J. Burnett is now solved. He has been traded to the Pittsburgh Pirates. While this isn’t what was planned to happen after Burnett signed a five-year eighty-three million dollar contact in the winter of 2008, his trouble with the Yankees are now behind him. The next question now is how does the Yankees rotation look as Spring Training starts up. Let’s first take a lot at the possible starters and then how the rotation may shake out.

Starting Candidates: CC Sabathia, Ivan Nova, Michael Pineda, Phil Hughes, Freddy Garcia, Hiroki Kuroda.

Every one of these pitchers have showed at one point or another that they can compete with the best of them but for some, that may be the only complement that can be given out. In my opinion, the bubble starters are Freddy Garcia, Hiroki Kuroda, and Phil Hughes, but once the Spring Training games start up and the real competition begins, players may shine and they may falter.

My Projected Starting Rotation:

1. CC Sabathia- This shouldn’t come as a surprise at all considering Sabathia was 19-8 on the year with a solid 3.00 ERA and 3 complete games. He was a workhorse for the Yankees team in 2011 and barring injury we could very well see the same from him this season.

2. Ivan Nova- The kid was just brilliant last regular season, going 16-4 in 165 innings pitched and also posting a solid 3.70 ERA. His effectiveness was key in the Yankees success down the stretch and even though he ended up as the losing pitcher in the clinching game of the ALDS last season, he is a very bright, young talent.

3. Michael Pineda- Speaking of bright, young talents, Michael Pineda can be a potential gem. The 6’7 right-hander only posted a 9-10 record last year, in his first year in the show but has the makings of being a big apple star. His fastball topped out at 99 MPH last season and only averaged 3 tenths of a mile per hour slower than Justin Verlander’s fastball last season. One Mariners scout told me that he thinks that Pineda can be just as good as his former rotation-mate, Felix Hernandez.

4. Hiroki Kuroda- The former Japanese league star and Dodgers number 2 starter was signed by the Yankees in January to a one-year ten-million dollar contact and he looks to be an integral part in the rotation this season. The 37 year-old right-hander was only 13-16 with the Dodgers last season but had an ERA of 3.07. In his four seasons in L.A., he averaged a solid ERA of 3.45.

5. Phil Hughes- The question of the final spot in the rotation is still up for grabs but right now, I see Phil Hughes gaining the 5th spot. That being said, Freddy Garcia can very well take over that 5th position in the starting rotation if Phil Hughes doesn’t perform to what is expected. Hughes had a very tumultuous season last year with the Bombers after going 18-8 in the 2010 season. Last year, Hughes’ troubles were well documented, going 5-5 and being plagued by what was described by doctors as a “dead arm”. He is back in camp though, in extraordinary shape and has added more muscle his body, trying to become more effective than he was last year.

This is the rotation the way I see it, but expect changes to come as the season lurks nearer and nearer and as always, it should be a fantastic Spring Training and start of the Regular Season.


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Who do you think gets the 5th spot in the rotation?
Phil Hughes
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Freddy Garcia
37 votes

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I expected Phil to have a bad year last year.

Perhaps not as bad as 5 – 5, but nowhere near 18 – 8 for sure. So many young pitchers these days falter the year after they have their break out season, then bounce back to their true selves, just ask Cole Hamils. I fully expect him to bounce back this year and have a terrific season. He may start the year as the 5th starter but by years end look for him to be no. 3 at the worst.

Ask not what America's team can do for you, but what you can do for America's team.

by HLCJ69 on Feb 19, 2012 2:35 AM EST reply actions  

*Hamels

"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth

by Andrew GM on Feb 19, 2012 2:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I agree with you, I do expect Hughes to pitch much better than last season but if he dies not perform I think Freddy Garcia is right there.

by CMcCann on Feb 19, 2012 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't get the whole bit about Hamels.

First, he had two very good seasons prior to the one in which he faltered. When he did falter, it was pretty much just ERA. His FIP was significantly lower and basically in line with his career, and his WAR (at least fWAR) hardly dipped at all. If you look at the numbers, he had a much higher babip than his norm and a lower LOB%.

For Hughes, his only season that was really good was 2009, when he was primarily a reliever. 2010 was hardly a breakout year for him, and it was arguably worse than the one in which Hamels faltered. He also seemed to have had some bad luck with babip and LOB%, but the LOB% will happen when your K rate disappears like his did.

If you look past the 18 wins (and record is the only thing you cite, so I implore you to explore some other stats that give a better measure of good pitching), you will see that there is hardly any reason to believe Hughes can sustain success as a starter. Unless you are just being a Yankees fan, and that’s fine, but try to be objective.

I dare you to challenge Al Yellon.

You have been banned from Bleed Cubbie Blue.
I see a long moderation log here for you. You've worn out your welcome in just about the entire AL East, including your own home team! Congratulations, you've started on the NL Central. Goodbye.

by SandalsNoPants on Feb 20, 2012 7:30 AM EST up reply actions  

How is Kuroda a bubble starter?

They signed him to an 8-figure, guaranteed deal. He’s starting.

"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth

by Andrew GM on Feb 19, 2012 2:42 AM EST reply actions  

You're right

You are probably right on Kuroda not being on the bubble

by CMcCann on Feb 19, 2012 8:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I hate when guys are given a free ride because of contract status.

(See A.J.) Whomever gives you the best chance to win should be the guy who gets the start. I fully expect Kuroda to struggle mightily. I think Phil is gonna come out like gang busters and Freddie has already proven his worth. I bet he’ll out pitch Kuroda this spring. Should Kuroda get the job because he gets paid however many millions if he’s clearly not as good as the other two?

Ask not what America's team can do for you, but what you can do for America's team.

by HLCJ69 on Feb 19, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

No, he shouldn't

but not to worry, Hughes and Garcia won’t clearly be better than him.

I dare you to challenge Al Yellon.

You have been banned from Bleed Cubbie Blue.
I see a long moderation log here for you. You've worn out your welcome in just about the entire AL East, including your own home team! Congratulations, you've started on the NL Central. Goodbye.

by SandalsNoPants on Feb 20, 2012 6:08 AM EST up reply actions  

5th Starter

As I recall from our pitching conundrums of last season, the 5th starter has very few opportunities in April due to weather and the schedule. Hopefully, being in the 5th position will ease the pressure on Hughes and allow him to do his “phoenix thing”.

by alouishes on Feb 19, 2012 10:33 AM EST reply actions  

I agree

I agree with you and I think that if Hughes’ role is lessened early in the season, he can settle down and return back to his usual form.

by CMcCann on Feb 19, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Let's just hope that his usual form is more 18 - 8

than 5 – 5.

Ask not what America's team can do for you, but what you can do for America's team.

by HLCJ69 on Feb 19, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m hoping for 14 wins… Too optimistic?

"You kind of took it for granted around the Yankees that there was always going to be baseball in October." - Hall of Fame Pitcher Whitey Ford

by DarthYankee on Feb 19, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Way too optimistic

Especially since he’s going to end up in the bullpen.

Romine!

by david d on Feb 19, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

So you just want another Joba? I’d personally rather have him at the 5 spot with a similar performance to 2010.

"You kind of took it for granted around the Yankees that there was always going to be baseball in October." - Hall of Fame Pitcher Whitey Ford

by DarthYankee on Feb 21, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Not what I "want"

Just what I think will happen

Romine!

by david d on Feb 21, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah I see. Who do you think will get the 5 spot then? Garcia?

"You kind of took it for granted around the Yankees that there was always going to be baseball in October." - Hall of Fame Pitcher Whitey Ford

by DarthYankee on Feb 21, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I think Hughes will start the season in the pen, getting a spot start now and then, then filling in/taking over for anyone who gets hurt or is ineffective. Or, he may stay in the pen and someone from the minors may get a shot if Hughes is great in relief. Just me speculating…

Romine!

by david d on Feb 21, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

and if he goes 0-0 because he gets no run support and the bullpen blows up

does that mean he sucks? If he can up his K/9, lower his BB/9 and implement an out pitch, I don’t care what his stupid record looks like. That’s out of his hands.

by jetanumba2 on Feb 19, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m thinking 10 or 11 and he spends some time in the pen

by CMcCann on Feb 19, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

2011 was his usual form.

Albeit with a lower K rate.

I dare you to challenge Al Yellon.

You have been banned from Bleed Cubbie Blue.
I see a long moderation log here for you. You've worn out your welcome in just about the entire AL East, including your own home team! Congratulations, you've started on the NL Central. Goodbye.

by SandalsNoPants on Feb 20, 2012 7:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Rotation order

1. CC
2. Pineda
3. Kuroda
4. Nova
5. Garcia – replaced by Hughes in mid-May.

by cookiedabookie on Feb 20, 2012 4:08 PM EST reply actions  

FALSE

Pineda is no number 2 until he develops a third pitch, according to Cashman!!!!!

"I could never wear another uniform. I will always be a Yankee"- Jorge Posada

Thanks for the memories Jorge

by nyyrocks29 on Feb 20, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that Pineda is number 3 and according to cash he will need another pitch to be a 2 and Hughes starts out as a 5 and maybe gets relegated to the bullpen if he can’t do well.

"My heroes, my dreams, and my future lay in Yankee Stadium. And they can’t take that away from me."—Derek Jeter

by CMcCann on Feb 20, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I admit putting Pineda at two is a bit high

But it breaks up the lefties (symmetry and all that). Kuroda should be no lower than the three spot, and I would rather have Pineda and his K’s in the two spot over Nova. Hughes probably should start in the five spot, but they did re-sign Garcia, and will give him a chance. Plus, given the amount of innings lost by Hughes last year, they can ease him back in with 150 or so IP.

by cookiedabookie on Feb 21, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Break up what lefties?

We only have one, and while we could fit another pitcher inside C.C., I’m not sure that’s how we should set up our rotation.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Feb 21, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

duh

my bad – Kuroda is a righty – not sure what I was thinking. I would put Kuroda 2nd then, followed by Pineda and Nova. Hughes and Garcia will depend on spring.

by cookiedabookie on Feb 21, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

CC is secretly like Voltron

5 mediocre lefties that have combined into one super-powerful pitcher!

by waw on Feb 21, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

The rotation shapes up

a little more well rounded now that that beanpole AJ has moved on.

Romine!

by david d on Feb 20, 2012 4:17 PM EST reply actions  

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