Finding The Next Derek Jeter
If there is one thing we’ve grown to love as Yankee fans, it’s home grown stars. For years, we’ve grown accustomed to Derek Jeter, Jorge Posada, Andy Pettitte, and Mariano Rivera as the faces of the franchise. In recent years, Robinson Cano has captivated us, and looks to be next in line to carry the torch (some may argue he already is).
Outsiders like Mark Teixiera, Curtis Granderson, and Nick Swisher, although beloved by fans, just don’t seem to connect with us like those who came up through the ranks of the Yankee organization. This is why losing Jesus Montero hurt so much, and why Michael Pineda will always be looked upon with such scrutiny, no matter what he does in pinstripes.
That said, let’s take a look at what’s on the horizon to see if we can identify the Yankee great, hopefully in the mold of someone like Derek Jeter or any of the 'Core Four'.
Let’s break the farmhands into three groups: elite prospects, strong prospects, and under-the-radar prospects. We'll cite a few examples from John Sickels of Minor League Ball to put this into greater focus.
According to Sickels' Derek Jeter 'Prospect Retro', Jeter was the #2 rated prospect in baseball in '95 (behind Alex Rodriguez), in Eddie Epstein’s scouting notebook. He had a strong prospect pedigree (6th overall pick in '92), and a consistent track record of growth through the minors. He was a prime example of an elite prospect, earning a Grade A in both ’95 and ‘96.
Other home grown stars were not looked upon so favorably by the scouting community...
Andy Pettitte, Jorge Posada and Robinson Cano were all prospects who were strong or flew under the radar according to Sickels, and many others. Looking back at Pettitte's‘Prospect Retro’, Sickels notes that he’d have given him a Grade B in ’94, due in large to his lack of a strong K/9, thus making him a strong, but not elite prospect. In Posada's 'Prospect Retro', he earned a straight Grade C grade in ’96 due to defensive concerns, as well as a high strikeout rate and questionable ability to hit for average. While Cano doesn’t have a ‘Prospect Retro’, Sickels had him as a Grade C in ’02 and ’03, a Grade C+ in ’04, and a Grade B- in ’05, grades he acknowledges were far too low when looking back.
As you can see, Yankee stars have taken different paths to the top, which is what makes this exercise so interesting. Using the most current grades from John Sickels, we'll start by covering ‘elite’ prospects, then move on to the much deeper crop of ‘strong’ and ‘under-the-radar’ prospects. The '12 player grades are listed in parenthesis, as a point of reference. There is a strong likelihood that one or more of players below will turn into the next franchise star.
Elite Prospects
Gary Sanchez, C (Grade B+): The hope is he develops along the same lines as Jesus Montero, but with a better glove. He showed great power in Charleston this past year (17 HR), but still lags behind with his receiving skills. Pedigree and current results make him the obvious choice to be the next big Yankee star.
Manny Banuelos, P (Grade B): He’s a borderline B+ prospect, so we’ll note him as elite. I covered him last week in my Prospect Roulette piece, and he’s a good bet to turn out to be at least an average major league starter. His upside is far greater than that, and a step forward in the command department could make him the next Yankee ace.
Strong Prospects
Dellin Betances, P (Grade B): His pure stuff may be the best in the entire system, but inconsistency makes him frustrating, and places doubt on his future as a starter. His secondary offerings are still improving, and if he can harness his stuff, he leaps into Top 25 prospect discussions and the elite category.
Mason Williams, OF (Grade B): The buzziest name in the system right now, and rightfully so. ESPN’s Keith Law ranked Williams as his #36 prospect, significantly higher than anyone else in the industry. His upside is Curtis Granderson, while the conservative projection would be Austin Jackson. Either way, he’s a fast rising talent that could be the anchor of many Yankee teams by the end of the decade.
Dante Bichette Jr, 3B (Grade B): You may remember his father, and that guy was a pretty damn good player, so the pedigree is certainly there. He showed solid defensive strides and is a better bet to stick at the hot corner than he was pre-draft. He has good power and an advanced approach for his age, and could be a guy who elevates himself into the next tier of prospects with a strong 2012 campaign.
Under-The-Radar Prospects
David Phelps, (Grade B-): Phelps has a deep four pitch arsenal (fastball, curve, slider, change) that he commands well, and although he doesn’t have any plus offerings, he's still a valuable commodity. He’s an older prospect (25 years old), but is probably the first in line for a promotion if the club needs an arm during the season.
Tyler Austin, 3B (Grade B-): He's been impressive so far, and is turning out to be a great find in the 13th round of the 2010 draft. Austin uses the whole field as a hitter, and also showed good plate discipline when he made the leap to Staten Island. He’ll be an interesting name to follow, especially if he’s able to maximize his power and contact potential moving forward. There is some sleeper potential here.
Ravel Santana, OF (Grade B-): I covered him in-depth a few weeks ago here. As far as tools go, Santana is one of the most talented players in the system. A serious ankle injury puts some of his 2012 season in doubt, but the talent is there for him to develop once he does return to action. A nice blend of speed and power makes him unique.
Slade Heathcott, OF (Grade C+): Like Santana, I covered him here. His first two seasons have been disappointing due to injuries, so a year of good health would go a long way in establishing him as an impact prospect within the organization. Heathcott has been compared to Brett Gardner in the past, and could develop into a similar player, especially with his gritty style of play.
Cito Culver, SS (Grade C+): A 2010 1st round pick, a lot was expected of him, and he’s been a bit disappointing to this point. The good news is that his defense is solid at short, and he’ll be able to stay there long term. Culver is still figuring things out with the bat, but shows nice contact ability and modest power. His plate discipline, while in need of refinement, is pretty good for a young hitter. In time, he could still turn out to be the next Yankee shortstop.
Angelo Gumbs, 2B (Grade C+): Gumbs has a good combination of power and speed, but needs to refine his plate discipline, like most young hitters. He is still transitioning to second base, but shows a nice feel for the middle infield. Better strike zone judgement will help him take the next step offensively. Definitely a sleeper prospect worth monitoring.
Austin Romine, C (Grade C+): We’re all familiar with Romine by this point. He probably seems a bit out of place under this heading, but his grade fits, so we'll go with it. Some think he’s the catcher of the future, others are more reserved. He’s still developing, both offensively and defensively, but the tools are there for him to be a solid player. Before selling on Romine, remember that Posada was raw as a prospect. If he becomes even half the player Posada was, he’ll be solid.
Daniel Lopez, OF (Grade C+): An international talent, he posted a strong average for the Gulf Coast Yankees, while also displaying usable power and a keen eye at the plate. Lopez has a solid frame, and should eventually produce more power as he fills out. If the tools translate to skills, this grade could rise dramatically.
It’s easier to make a case for the more established prospects, especially guys like Sanchez, Banuelos, Betances, Williams, and Bichette. These players are on the radar, and have name value to Yankee fans, making them immediately recognizable.
The real fun begins when you look deeper and try to unearth guys who may not be generating mainstream buzz. Personally, I really like Santana, Culver, and Gumbs as players who could turn into something down the road. Prospecting isn’t an exact science, which is why you can never count out guys who don’t always fit the typical scouting mold.
Who do you see as the next great home grown Yankee? Let’s discuss things further in the comments.
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Personally, I would love to see Culver turn into the next great Yankee shortstop in a few years
Mostly that’s just because his story is so similar to Jeter’s.
+1
Couldn’t agree more.
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by Rob Steingall on Feb 14, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Other than not being nearly as talented out of HS as Jeter was in '92
"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth
Very true.
Culver graded out as a 3rd or 4th round pick in 2010.
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by Rob Steingall on Feb 14, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
a couple of thoughts
First of all, I think you’re right about under-the-radar prospects. I remember hearing next-to-nothing about Pettitte in the early 90s, and a lot more about Sterling Hitchcock even into 1995. Then Hitchcock turned out to be a servicable guy (suspenseful!) whereas Pettitte was the star. So I wouldn’t be suprised to see a guy with less hype wind up being a star.
Having said that, I’m still keeping my eye on Phelps. The Pettitte comparisons are interesting, and his minor league numbers are solid. At 25 he needs his chance soon. It’s hard to hope that he gets a chance this year, because that means someone else got hurt or didn’t pan out. But it is getting to the point that he should either be given the Noesi role from last year, or packaged as trade bait mid-season.
Lastly, we should appreciate how rare it is that the Yankees developed two absolute, first-ballot, no-questions asked Hall of Famers in Jeter and Rivera, not to mention borderline HOFers like Pettitte, Posada and Bernie. (I think at least Posada deserves to be in the HOF, and probably Pettitte, too, but those guys aren’t slam-dunks like Jeter and Rivera.) I think the Yankees have enough in the tank to compete for the foreseeable future, but as the experience of many teams (coughcough Mets Orioles coughcough) will show, having some money and even developing a couple of good players doesn’t guarantee success unless you also have some home-grown stars at the core.
by long time listener on Feb 14, 2012 12:19 PM EST reply actions
Player development...
Is certainly a funny thing. The bottom line is that no matter how highly regarding a prospect is, all that matters is if the ‘switch’ goes on for him.
A player can have all the tools in the world, but if they don’t know how to use them, they tend not to be very effective.
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by Rob Steingall on Feb 14, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
The next Derek Jeter does not exist
there will be no one like him after he leaves, just like there was no one like him before he got here. he is one of a kind, he stands alone as one of the best ever. guys like him don’t come around that often. when they do, make sure you savor every single moment because you might not ever see it again. thank you jeter, for being you!
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by sweatyguido on Feb 14, 2012 12:43 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You're missing the point
We all know Jeter is great, there is no denying that. Saying there will never be a franchise icon in his mold ever again is way off base though.
There is nothing wrong with looking at the farm system and speculating on who could be the next face of the franchise from within. It’s just how the business of baseball works.
Plus, as you said, it gives us an opportunity to look back at the franchise greats and see how they came to be. That reason alone should make looking at today’s prospects very exciting for all Yankee fans.
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by Rob Steingall on Feb 14, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
i got the point
my post was more of a homage to jeter than anything else
"Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?"
-Abraham Lincoln
"Let me explain something to you. Um, I am not 'Mr. Lebowski'. You're Mr. Lebowski. I'm the Dude. So that's what you call me. You know, that or, uh, His Dudeness, or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing."
-Jeffery Lebowski, The Dude
In that case...
Preach on, brother.
I don’t think any of us will argue the point you made.
Well put.
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by Rob Steingall on Feb 16, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
It's all about health, work ethic and the ability to adjust
Phil Hughes was as good as any pitching prospect in the game. But he’s had health problems, last season his work ethic was questioned and we’re still waiting on him to develop a usable change up. Ivan Nova was an unheralded guy who made the most of his opportunities, when he got demoted he used the time to develop more secondary pitches. Going forward he might have a much better career even though he was a far inferior prospect.
Hey...
David Robertson wasnt considered an elite prospect either, was he? I’d look at DJ Mitchell to become something, as well as Corban Joseph or David Adams (especially Adams, once he gets healthy). I might go so far into the system to say Vidal Nuno. I definitely like Daniel Lopez to be a name to keep up with. Also…Isaias Tejeda.
I'd love to see Adams develop
But that ankle injuy really set him back. He could be a totally different player now because of it.
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I'm rooting for Cito Culver
But I think the next big prospect is going to be a surprise!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Feb 14, 2012 1:33 PM EST reply actions
Thinking more about it, Robbie isn't the only homegrown talent "carrying the torch"
I would also put GGBG in that category (though he isn’t heralded as such by any means). D-Rob and Nova both have a real shot at getting put into that category also. I can see D-Rob becoming the next Closer™, and assuming that Nova has a strong season like last year, he could be our next great homegrown starting pitcher.
I think
we’re all kind of waiting for GGBG to be traded as his salary approaches his actual value, and then the Yankees will sign a more traditional LF.
Well I'm not
But I’m not going to be surprised if it happens.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Feb 14, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Love Gardner, but this is right on target.
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by Rob Steingall on Feb 14, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Since when have the Yankees traded players just because their salary is not a good bargain?
They might trade him if they decide that Mason Williams is Gardner 2.0, but not because his $12m worth of WAR costs $12m.
by designatedquitter on Feb 15, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure...
the present list of “prospects” on the 40 man roster doesn’t cut it. (Laird,Nunez,Pena, Dickerson, etc.). So it’s really hard to get too excited about this kind of stuff now that Montero is hasta-la-seeya. Let’s face it. Other than the Staten Island team, we got beaten up pretty hard in the minors last year, due to injuries. Let’s hope our two B’s have a great year.
Did you actually read the piece?
This has very little to do with anyone currently on the 40-man roster. Betances and Romine are on it, but that still leaves you with 11 other names to speculate on (plus plenty of others I didn’t mention than can be discussed).
Keep in mind, there are other hitting prospects in the system not named Montero. No reason to walk the plank now that he’s gone.
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by Rob Steingall on Feb 14, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Per Yogi: It's hard to make predictions, especially about the future.
There are more highly touted prospects who turn into busts than you can count, and just about as many unheralded guys who are better in the majors than they were in the minors. It happens just as much in other sports [See: Jeremy Lin, Kurt Warner, etc…].
It’s often assumed that pitchers who win in the minors without strikeouts won’t last in the majors [Ivan Nova], or that high average hitters in the minors will meet their match in the big show [Wade Boggs]. Sometimes light hitters learn to become good hitters if they get enough of a chance [Bernie Williams]. It’s so much of a crapshoot that ratings are just educated guesses, no more.
by designatedquitter on Feb 14, 2012 2:13 PM EST reply actions
+1
Good points. There are many players who succeed who don’t always “fit the mold”.
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by Rob Steingall on Feb 14, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
It's fun to watch a player develop . . .
but as often as not, that leads to homegrown bias. Anyone else remember the hype surrounding “Bam Bam” Meulens?
I’m not sure I agree with the premise of this article, anyway. Think O’Neil and Tino Martinez. Then tell me again that Grandy and Swisher are haven’t been fully embraced by the fans. Remember the campaign to get Swish in the All Star Game?
You never know what your history is going to be like until long after you're gone.
Bam Bam Meulens
There’s a name I have not heard since …
Home grown guys always feel like they’re more embraced, but you’re right that other guys can win a huge following. Swish is a good example, and Paul O’Neill is definitely a True Yankee despite starting his career with the Reds.
by long time listener on Feb 14, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, there's more to it than just being home grown
If Pineda develops into a great pitcher, I don’t think anyone will look at him any differently because he broke in with Seattle.
Ozzie Smith started out as a Padre. Steve Carlton was a Cardinal. Lou Brock was a Cub. Babe Ruth was a Red Sock. But all these guys became synonymous with the teams they made their greatest impact for.
I’m not sure why Cano hasn’t drawn the same home grown accolades as the core four. Is it because he has one ring instead of five? Because he doesn’t speak English well? He’s as great a player as the Yankees have produced in the past 25 years outside of Jeter and Mo.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Feb 14, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's a couple of things
The rings are important. After seven season with the Yankees, Jeter had four championships and was within a couple of outs of another (I just cried a little). Cano only has one, and that (quite unfairly) changes the perception. No one blames Cano, they just don’t have the same WS memories of him as they do of Jeter.
I also think Jeter and Mo (and A-Rod) overshadow Cano a little. Jeter was the star for a franchise that didn’t have that many stars in its last 10 years or so. Cano shares a locker room with several HOFers. Hard to stand out in those circumstances.
by long time listener on Feb 14, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Well put
Cano will be thought of as one of the greats when all is said and done, as long as he keeps playing at a high level. In another 8-10 years, we’ll be talking about him overshadowing someone.
Gotta love the constant cycle in baseball!
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by Rob Steingall on Feb 14, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
You're right about the world series memories thing...
Cano did get a ring, but in 09 he was batting 7th and was overshadowed by Jeter, A-Rod, Teixeira, C.C., Pettitte and Posada and to a lesser extent by guys like Damon and Matsui.
Cano doesn’t have that “moment” yet that some of the older players do – “the play” and “mr. november” for Jeter, game 5 in 96 for Pettitte, about a dozen for Mariano, the ALCS walkoffs for Bernie, and so on.
But now Cano’s probably the best player on the Yankees, so maybe the next championship will “belong” to him more, and it’ll solidify his legacy.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Feb 14, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's not just the rings
But the fact that Jeter, Mo, Pettitte, and them represented coming out of the doldrums!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Feb 14, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely agree about Pineda. Trade not a free agent signing and he’s only played one year in the majors, it’s not like he was an established star with another team.
by MichaelGGBGrabow on Feb 14, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
RAB did a piece on him not long ago
Retro Week
"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth
Where did I say players who came from outside organizations aren’t embraced by the fans?
Outsiders like Mark Teixiera, Curtis Granderson, and Nick Swisher, although beloved by fans, just don’t seem to connect with us like those who came up through the ranks of the Yankee organization.
They may be loved, but they aren’t “home grown guys”, and that will stick with all of them when the final chapters in their careers are finally written.
The whole point of this is to discuss who the next home grown guy might be.
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by Rob Steingall on Feb 14, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
The next great home grown Yankee....
Will be Russel Martin’s replacement…Gary Sanchez!
DIRTY SANCHEZ!!!!!!!!!!!
+1
Well played, LinDynasty.
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by Rob Steingall on Feb 14, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
It’s worth noting that Sickels isn’t nearly as high on Banuelos as the rest of the scouting community. He has Banuelos in the 50s range whereas many others have him in their top 15-30.
Also Sickels gave Betances a borderline B+ as well so I’m not sure why you drew the line on Banuelos but not Betances?
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by Frank Campagnola on Feb 14, 2012 5:03 PM EST reply actions
Betances
Sickels had him as his 50th best pitching prospect. Banuelos was 40th (which is a bit crazy, considering he’s a Top 35 guy to most in the industry). I think that’s enough of a gap to separate the two, and as you said, an argument can be made that Banuelos should be even higher.
The recent round of prospect lists that came out also helped me feel a bit more comfortable with splitting them into separate categories.
I cited Sickels’ work due to the past grades of the current Yankees, and to provide a baseline for the discussion. Agreeing on grades is always tricky when it comes to valuing prospects.
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by Rob Steingall on Feb 14, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Keith Law
His top 100 prospect list was just released and betances was way down his list
I agree with everything you said and I think Banuelos is a far better prospect than Betances, but it just seemed strange to me to cite Sickels’ borderline B+ rating on Manny to call him elite, but ignore Sickels’ borderline B+ on Betances.
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by Frank Campagnola on Feb 15, 2012 2:39 AM EST up reply actions
culver, heathcott, and austin
Saw all 3 when they came to Fishkill to play with staten island in the NYPenn League. Looked good to me especially culver who can really field.
by Robert Essigman on Feb 15, 2012 12:47 AM EST reply actions

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