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The Yankees should sign Manny Ramirez. There, I said it. Admittedly, that statement would have made much more sense five years ago, but even now, it's an option worth exploring.

Granted, the arguments against such a move are hard to refute. After all, not only does Ramirez still have a 50-game suspension for PED use hanging over his head, but once he returns to active status, he'll be almost two years removed from his last period of sustained playing time. In other words, signing Manny would be like buying a lottery ticket, but every now and then they wind up paying off.

In a recent blog post, ESPN' Buster Olney reported that Manny Ramirez will hold a workout later in the month with the hope of returning to the big leagues. Olney also makes a compelling argument for why teams should at least attend. Put simply, Ramirez offers the potential for high reward with absolutely no risk.

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Does Ramirez have any chance of coming close to the form that made him one of the best hitters in the history of the game (his career OPS+ of 154 ranks 25th all time)? Probably not. However, it should be noted that even in his last two seasons before the 2011 suspension that forced him into retirement, Ramirez' OPS+ was 153 and 138, respectively. According to fangraphs.com, Manny was worth over $15 million in those two seasons combined, so there is at least some reason to think he could be a meaningful contributor, especially as a DH in the American League.

Even if Ramirez turned out to be only a shell of his most recent self, he would still contribute value well in excess of the pro-rated minimum salary he's likely to earn upon his return to the big leagues (assuming his workout isn't so impressive that it ignites a bidding war). Also, although it's never a good idea to predict how Manny would react to any situation, it stands to reason he would be on his best behavior in what he'd likely view as a make-good situation. Remember, a prospective employer wouldn't be hiring the brooding $20 million player whose salary prohibited real punitive action. If at any point Ramirez proved unable or unwilling to perform, the team that signed him could simply cut bait.

The biggest drawback to signing Ramirez is the 50-game suspension that would wipe out the first two months of the season. When you tack on a 2-3 week "rehab" stint, Ramirez' first at bat probably wouldn't come until sometime in mid-June. For many teams, that delay is too prohibitive, but, ironically, for the Yankees, it actually makes him more appealing.

The Yankees seem to be counting on Jesus Montero to provide punch from the DH role in 2012, but what happens if the 22-year old isn't quite ready for prime time? Currently, the Yankees only other viable DH would be Andruw Jones, so a lot is riding on Montero's ability to quickly adapt to the majors. With Ramirez in the fold, however, the Yankees could consider his suspension as a three month grace period during which it could see how well Montero handles the big leagues. If he proves to be a fast learner, then the Yankees could use Ramirez in a limited role or simply release him outright. On the other hand, if Montero falters, Manny could be the Yankees' fallback. Once again, it's a no risk proposition that could provide the team with a viable backup in case their best laid plans go awry.

Regardless of the logic involved, the mere thought of Manny wearing pinstripes is still probably too difficult for many Yankees' fans to bear. Not only is he marred by steroid baggage and a recent domestic violence-related arrest, but for many Bronx Bomber enthusiasts, the stigma of his years in Boston is the real scarlet letter. Obviously, there's no argument that can contradict that kind of emotional reaction, but if the goal is to improve the team (and at a low cost, which seems more relevant to the Yankees these days), then some fans may just have to hold their nose and swallow hard.

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and no, and NO. Good Lord…NO!

Romine!

by david d on Jan 7, 2012 12:08 PM EST reply actions  

montero performed well in september last year

very well actually…..i think he is ready for prime time.

by THR1LLHOUSE on Jan 7, 2012 12:17 PM EST reply actions  

MANNY?

Are you out of your mind!!! Manny Ramiez! I wouldn’t let him sell beer in the stands, might let that bum clean the restrooms! Wow get a plan man, anybody but Manny111

by David1950 on Jan 7, 2012 12:20 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

No

I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 7, 2012 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

No.

And not because I couldn’t stomach him in pinstripes, but because I think he’s washed up…

Just once I'd like someone to call me "Sir," without adding, "You're making a scene."

by YankeeCarp on Jan 7, 2012 12:54 PM EST reply actions  

I expect the reaction will be at least 3 to 1 against Manny...

But I still think it makes sense to take a low cost flier on him. The only compelling reason against him, in my opinion, is the domestic violence arrest, but then as an organization you have to be prepared to apply that standard broadly.

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by William Juliano on Jan 7, 2012 12:55 PM EST reply actions  

Really?
The only compelling reason against him, in my opinion, is the domestic violence arrest

How about his shitty attitude? Or lazy play? Or that he would actually have to play without PED’s? Or that he could only DH and we have that spot well taken care of? I really couldn’t care less about the domestic violence thing, it makes him that much more a shitty person, but it has nothing to do with his play on the field.

Romine!

by david d on Jan 7, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

All valid points if...

this was a big money deal or a long-term contract. It’s a make-good situation for the league minimum. If Manny exhibits any of those traits, you cut him. Plain and simple. That is the essential element to my argument.

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by William Juliano on Jan 7, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

More than just that

It’s the fact that he hasn’t been a good baseball player in a while. He looked horrible last year even when he did play, and though it’s a small sample size he also won’t have played in a professional game for a year and a half before he’s even allowed to play again. How do we know he’ll be able to do anything?

And then there’s the fact that they don’t need him at all. They brought back Jones, may be bringing back Chavez and have a lot of minor leaguers that can fill up the bench. There’s no need for him.

I think Manny is one of the best right handed hitters who ever lived, but I see no reason to give him a spot on the roster, seeing as they don’t need him, he probably isn’t good anymore, and he’s probably more of a distraction than a benefit at this point.

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 7, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

That's really not true

Aside from his short stint in TB, Manny was a productive hitter. Even his stint in Chicago featured an OPS+ above the league average. You could be right; maybe he has nothing left. But, what if he does? Is it worth $300,000 to find out?

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by William Juliano on Jan 7, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Again, the biggest thing is that they don't have a need for him

It would just add another DH to a group of DH’s that already includes Jeter, A-Rod, Montero and Andruw Jones. This team already has filled out its outfielders, and there’s no need to add another. Especially a 40 year old who hasn’t play for almost two years who also should be in the running for world’s biggest douche.

I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 7, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

What if Montero Struggles?

Are you prepared to go with Jones as your everyday DH? Arod and Jeter will not see significant DH at bats, so if Montero needs more seasoning, the Yankees will not have a strong DH. That’s one thing that hurt them a little last year. Signing Manny is like buying a 3-month option on Montero. Risk management is about hedging, and that’s exactly what the Yankees would be doing with Montero.

I get the visceral response, but whether or not Manny is a “douche” isn’t a compelling reason to pass up a no risk/high reward chance to improve the team (unless you want to apply the character standard broadly across the roster).

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by William Juliano on Jan 7, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Virtually anybody can DH if they have a back up spot to rotate. If we resign Chavez, A-Rod can DH. Jeet can DH with Nuney getting some time at short. Swish, Grandy, and Jones can rotate. Hell we have Jorge Vazquez in AAA just begging for a spot and he’s a textbook DH. I admire your boldness for bringing Manny up, but there is no feasible reason to bring him back.

by ekwfan6 on Jan 8, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

no

too many dh’s on this team

by NJ Champ on Jan 7, 2012 1:03 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

While we're in the market for 40-year-old douchebags...

Let’s see if Gary Sheffield and Kenny Lofton want to come back, too.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jan 7, 2012 1:14 PM EST reply actions  

P.S.

When I saw the title of this, I thought it was a Manny Banuelos post. Imagine my disappointment.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jan 7, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

my thoughts exactly!

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by In The Big Inning on Jan 7, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

not the racist thing

the 40 year old douchebag thing. :-)

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by In The Big Inning on Jan 7, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Not only no...but HELL NO!

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by tnredneckyankeesfan on Jan 7, 2012 1:53 PM EST reply actions  

the only Manny in pinstripes should be Banuelos

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by nolesbroncos3456 on Jan 7, 2012 2:00 PM EST via Android app reply actions   1 recs

Nice post

And you were obviously right about the emotional reaction

by Now Batting on Jan 7, 2012 2:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

If he would be willing to accept a minor league deal, it’s a no-brainer. If not, there is still almost no risk to acquiring one of the best right handed hitters in the history of the game, even if he is a shell of his former self. If his bat speed is gone or he starts pulling Manny bullshit, leave him at the side of the road and nothing is lost.

by Lord Duggan on Jan 7, 2012 2:27 PM EST reply actions  

It would be almost worth it just to be able to leave him on the side of the road

What bothers me about Manny is his stupidity. After getting caught once, you would think the guy would know better.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 7, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

The fact that he’s used PED’s more stupidly than anyone in the league does not bother me as nearly as much as the other issues. I just don’t want him on the Yankees, and it has nothing to do with steroids. It has to do with adding a player they have absolutely no need for, who probably is nothing more than a DH at this point even if he still has something left.

They have tons of older players, and tons of guys who are going to need a lot of DH time. Why add another? I have a hard time believing that he’ll accept a minor league deal (and even if he would I probably wouldn’t want him). And I don’t want them wasting a roster spot and ABs just to see if Manny Ramirez can still do something after sitting out a year and a half. Even if it’s cheap.

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 7, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

He also has to sit out 50 games, right?

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by YankeesJets on Jan 7, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

So after 50 games when Montero is raking theyll need Manny even less.

I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 7, 2012 8:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Manny could totally fill the role of Jorge Posada

old washed up DH without a position for a team that has too many DHs. I don’t care if he’s Manny Ramirez or Jim Thome, we have no room for him. DH is not something we NEED to fill. Between Montero, Jones, Jeter, A-Rod, Tex, Swisher and Cano I think we can handle it if it allows the team to carry an extra catcher or infielder

Also:

that forced him into retirement
The only thing that forced him into retirement was himself.

by jetanumba2 on Jan 7, 2012 2:27 PM EST reply actions  

And in the (hardly unlikely) event that Russell Martin and Alex Rodriguez are run down by injuries? Would you rather give at bats to Austin Romine and some scrap heap players or (with no commitment whatsoever) increase Montero’s time at catcher and see if Manny can still hit?

His last full season in the majors, he hit .298/.409/.460, which I would call a long way from washed up. Maybe he’s lost it taking 2011 off, but he seems like an awfully nice insurance policy with really no downside.

by Lord Duggan on Jan 7, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I personally think that him getting busted again for PED use

would be a downside. I’m pretty sure he’ll still be using so it would be best to avoid that trainwreck.

by garp on Jan 7, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

If something like that happens, you cut him and are back exactly where you started.

by Lord Duggan on Jan 7, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

but then you have a hole to fill

i’d rather sign someone who might not be done or might not get into trouble again. I doubt he accepts a minor league deal because of who he is so its not just a matter of no harm no foul. We might miss out on someone more useful.

by jetanumba2 on Jan 7, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

We have a crowded enough DH spt already! We have to get Montero, A-Rod, Jeter, and others every once in a while into the DH spot, we don’t need anyone else.

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by yankees97 on Jan 7, 2012 2:43 PM EST reply actions  

Despite my distaste for the man

It’s really not that bad of an idea

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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 7, 2012 3:53 PM EST reply actions  

I despise him, but giving him a minor league deal is smart.

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by Brandon C. on Jan 7, 2012 5:03 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

why are people saying no to this?

if he shows any poor attitude AT ALL while in the minors after he returns? release him
if he isn’t working hard? release him
if he can’t play? release him
if our dh options are injury free and are playing well? release him
if yankee players express any issues with having him there? release him
if he isn’t happy with his role at any point? release him
if he does anything that isn’t working towards the betterment of the team? release him
test positive for PED’s? obviously release him

ok so that solves basically any potential negatives. did it really hurt the rays last season that they took a chance on him and he got suspended so they cut ties???? No.

if montero struggles/gets hurt/gets traded and manny can play and avoids the list above, he can really be important. and even if montero is doing fine, manny would be a great right handed bat off the bench. and if hes not…..guess what???? release him.

is that really the end of the world?

by cermolaNY2 on Jan 7, 2012 5:10 PM EST reply actions  

Great argument.

There’s no harm in giving him a minor league contract.

BSME

by Xavier10 on Jan 7, 2012 7:35 PM EST reply actions  

I would be stunned if Manny took a minor league contract.

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by Andrew GM on Jan 7, 2012 9:40 PM EST reply actions  

1st: The MLB will probably revoke ManRam's suspension on the grounds that he's already been out for over 150 games.

He’s applied, and will probably succeed in getting this relief.

2nd: With his years of service, I think his salary minimum would be closer to $1m than less than the rookie minimum.

3rd: The idea that this player has no downside is ludicrous. He has nothing but downside, because if he plays well, the first thing he will do is publicly demand that his contract be rewritten.

4th: If the Yankees won’t spend more than $1m on Nakajima, whom they have a use for, why spend anything to acquire a maligannt, washed-up cancer?

by designatedquitter on Jan 9, 2012 12:14 PM EST reply actions  

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