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The Yankees' Fifth Starter Question

The saying is that you can never have too much pitching, but it seems as though the Yankees are testing that theory with their surplus of starting pitchers with no clear and easy decision. After a few off season acquisitions, a rotation that didn't look so strong on paper before got a makeover and looks better now. CC Sabathia, Michael Pineda, Hiroki Kuroda, and Ivan Nova SHOULD be locks for the rotation, while Freddy Garcia, A.J. Burnett, and Phil Hughes battle it out for the last remaining spot. Knowing baseball as most of us do, it rarely works out that neatly. Last season, Freddy Garcia and Bartolo Colon had a competition in name only during spring training. Colon outperformed Garcia, but Garcia was given the spot in the rotation due to concerns about how quickly he could warm up, which would still be a concern if he were to be left to pitch out of the bullpen this season. Here is an in depth look at the options, a few scenarios, and a poll.

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Freddy Garcia:

2011 Stats: 146.2 IP - 3.62 ERA - 4.12 FIP - 4.36 xFIP - 5.89 K/9 - 2.76 BB/9 - 0.98 HR/9 - 2.2 fWAR

Despite a heavy dose of smoke and mirrors, Freddy Garcia did pretty much everything you could have hoped for in 2011. Of the 3 viable options, Garcia is definitely the one who deserves the spot if it was based purely on last year's results. It would be irresponsible to assume no regression for Garcia going forward, but as a 5th starter, expectations wouldn't need to be extraordinarily high. Something even close to what he did last year would be a luxury at the back of the rotation. When the Yankees resigned Garcia this off season, they hadn't yet signed Hiroki Kuroda or traded for Michael Pineda, so the picture is much different now than it was when he was promised a starting spot. Assuming nothing has changed with his physical capabilties, the concerns about how long it would take him to warm up in the bullpen will still be there, making the option of keeping him around as depth more difficult. Garcia can be traded with his permission at some point (or without it starting in June), or simply cut because of his relatively low salary, but he is capable of eating innings if healthy, and there is certainly value in that.

A.J. Burnett:

2011 Stats: 190.1 IP - 5.15 ERA - 4.77 FIP - 3.86 xFIP - 8.18 K/9 - 3.92 BB/9 - 1.47 HR/9 - 1.5 fWAR

Oh, A.J. Burnett. It would be hard to ignore that he turned in an inspired performance against the Tigers in the 2011 ALDS, but it would be equally hard, if not harder, to ignore the disaster that was August for Burnett. His HR/9 has been climbing each year for the past three and he's certainly not young enough to lend confidence toward a huge resurgence. Unless your name is nyyrocks29, few people have the patience/eternal optimism to expect much better for A.J. in 2012. With 2 years and no insignificant amount of money left on Burnett's contract, Brian Cashman isn't having the easiest time trying to find a trade partner willing to take on the player and even a fraction of the money owed. It would be easy and maybe even smart to bet that if A.J. is on the team, he will be in the starting rotation, due in large part to the contract he signed. Should he be traded if the opportunity arises? Most likely, but if that isn't possible, perhaps he could also be alright as someone who can pitch a good amount of innings at the back of the rotation. I'd be surprised to see him moved this season, but stranger things have happened, and if the Yankees are willing to pay nearly everything owed to him, I'm sure someone out there could use a pitcher capable of eating innings.

Phil Hughes:

2011 Stats: 74.2 IP - 5.79 ERA - 4.85 FIP - 4.90 xFIP - 5.67 K/9 - 3.25 BB/9 - 1.08 HR/9 - 0.7 fWAR

The 2011 season was completely disappointing for Phil Hughes. A lot of people expected great things from him after his infamous 18 win season the year prior, despite heavily trailing off after the 2010 All Star Game. Being as young as Hughes is, there is certainly reason to be more optimistic about him than the other 2 guys in this equation. If his dead arm is gone and he can recapture the magic of pre-ASG 2010, Hughes would be a force at the back of the rotation this season. Aside from an out pitch, which he has needed desperately for the longest time, Phil Hughes needs to be responsible. Reporting to spring training out of shape and not pitching during the off season likely had a hand in his disastrous 2011, and that's pretty unacceptable. He's not a rookie anymore, so he needs to really get himself together at this point. Brian Cashman has said that he is exploring trades to fill the empty spot at DH, and plans to use some of the team's excess pitchers to do so. I wouldn't be shocked to see Hughes' name come up, but I would also hate to see the Yankees give up on him and trade him while his value is at rock bottom. On the other hand, I'm sure plenty of people are itching to send Hughes to the bullpen. Everyone knows that he dominates AAA, and if he isn't in the rotation or traded, the bullpen is really the only place for him as depth. I don't know if that is Hughes' destiny, though some people certainly assume that it is. I think this season is too early to decide that and it should only be done as an absolute last resort right now, because I'm not convinced we'd ever see him as a starter again.

If it were up to me, I would wait and see how spring training goes without prior decisions being made, unless a decent trade comes up between now and then. I'd certainly prefer Hughes to be impressive and win the job, but Garcia isn't a bad second choice if he can come close to replicating what he did last season. However, knowing the Yankees as I do, I wouldn't be all that surprised to see them call it a competition, but already have their minds pretty made up about who they plan to give the job to. I don't think that really benefits anyone, but such is life. We know how these things go.

WWJD's Best Case Scenario: Hughes is great in spring training. Rotation is some combination of Sabathia, Kuroda, Pineda, Nova, and Hughes.

WWJD's Worst Case Scenario: Hughes, Garcia, and Burnett are awful in spring training. Rotation is some combination of Sabathia, Kuroda, Pineda, Burnett, and Garcia. Nova is ridiculously sent to start the season in AAA and Hughes is sent to the bullpen, never to be heard from as a starter again.

I'm really interested in what other people consider the best and worst case scenarios for the rotation. Either way, this seems to be the very definition of a First World Problem for the Yankees.

Poll
Who should be the 5th starter for the Yankees?
Phil Hughes
1186 votes
A.J. Burnett
304 votes
Freddy Garcia
391 votes
Other
43 votes

1924 votes | Poll has closed

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Knew you'd slide me in there somehow

Didn’t even need to read it. I’m choosing to refrain from this vote.

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 25, 2012 5:34 PM EST reply actions  

I think a move will be made before the season though

I don’t think all three are still Yankees at the start of spring training. I don’t know what move that will be, but anything is possible.

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 25, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Who do you think gets the most in return? Garcia because of his low salary and success last year, Hughes because of his age and potential, or Burnett? I’ve been wondering if who we trade should depend on that.

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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 25, 2012 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, probably. I wouldn’t like that, but if Cashman is trying to fill the DH spot with a trade, I have a feeling he’d be trying to get the highest return he could rather than spare parts just to clear a spot.

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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 25, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't want to trade Hughes either

I really feel that he should get one more chance because logically speaking, this year there shouldn’t be that much pressure on him. Last year he was our supposed “#2 starter” whereas this year he’d be our #5. However, Garcia is old and he’d be available next year anyway, and AJ is AJ and we’d have to pay 80% of his contract and we’d get little in return, which is probably why they won’t do it either. The only feasible way AJ is worth anything is to a team in another division with a chance to compete around the trade deadline and AJ has pitched really well during the first half.

Hughes is sadly the most logical outcome and the most worthwhile to a team. Unlike the Yankees, quite a few teams need starters and/or bullpen help and Hughes provides that at a young age with potential. He might be worth a bat & prospect or two.

It’s a sticky situation.

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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 25, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Hughes would probably get the most in return I'd think

AJ is getting nothing but a bag of balls, and as for Garcia… he’s a nice pitcher but I don’t think the market is all that high for back end 35 year old finesse pitchers.

Hughes still has upside and youth, and the top prospect status hasn’t completely faded. And maybe GM’s will also look at his 18 wins 2 seasons ago and think he still has top starter potential.

That said, Hughes is the guy I’d most want to keep, because of all those reasons. I wouldn’t trade him for a rental DH or an older DH for 1-2 seasons. Though I would deal him for someone like Domonic Brown.

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 25, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

by that I mean, AJ gets nothing more back than a bag of balls

Not that he is a bag of balls.

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 25, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d love to get Dom Brown. Really. Doc isn’t getting younger and they might lose Hamels to free agency when the season is over. They basically hate Dom, so maybe they’d be willing to swap him for a guy with success as a starter?

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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 25, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it’d take a lot to get him. I emailed the Phillies writers to get a better idea and they all ignored me! Yay people!

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

The Good Phight?

I’m banned there. Not a good place.

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 25, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Why?

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Why did I get banned?

Ummmm… I think I posted a picture of Jimmy Rollins getting hit in the face during the 2009 world series on their game thread. I don’t know, being immature and excited that the Yankees were up 3-1 I thought it was a good idea.

They got mad at me!!!

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 25, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha, that’s funny but yeah not a good idea

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I seem to remember people on here thinking it was a good idea!

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 25, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Great sig

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea

I’m gonna keep it that way for a while. He deserves having his quote in every one of my comments. Besides, it’s not like my Kobe quote was helping the Lakers win any games so I figured I’d change it.

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 25, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

It might, but he’s a good outfield prospect, which we need terribly. I’d be willing to give up a decent number of guys for him.

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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 25, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d give up anyone outside of Manny/Sanchez

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely.

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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 25, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d deem Sanchez an “untouchable” right now. Basically, though, y’know like Jesus was just a little less

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

He needs to recapture what made people think of him as a hybrid of Romine and Montero ASAP.

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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 25, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he will turn into Montero 2.0.

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

The same concerns seem to be there, but I hope that changes.

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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 25, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Again, I think we’re in for Montero 2.0. I hope so, too, hope he spends a lot of time with Tony Pena

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm rooting for him

Mostly because I don’t want to see Romine as the catcher of the future as so many people have already deemed him to be. Not that I don’t like him- he just seems like Russell Martin with less power right now.

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 25, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Romine and hope he improves. I think he will be Russell Martin for his career.

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm surprised

The Good Phight is a pretty excellent blog. It has its share of nutcases, sure, but there’s some wonderful writing there too.

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by Hasan Paliwala on Jan 26, 2012 1:58 AM EST up reply actions  

i voted on your behalf...

fact is, i’d have a.j. in the rotation if he’s with the team, sending one of the hughes/garcia tandem to the pen and trading the other. if a.j. bombs, the now-long-man returns to the rotation… if i could choose, i would trade freddy and keep phil—but, as others have pointed out, there’s a limit to the possible trade options until june, and i don’t know what other teams’ interest level in freddy would be (is the red sox rotation set?)…

by sing_or_die_1818 on Jan 25, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Between Hughes and Garcia?

I’d start Hughes to open the season, but if he fails send him to the back end of the pen like in 2009 and replace him with Garcia.

Burnett shouldn’t touch the rotation unless he’s our last option.

by DCyanks21 on Jan 25, 2012 5:38 PM EST reply actions  

Burnett will be a starter, if he isn't traded

He shouldn’t be in the rotation, but when you are paying the guy 82 million that’s what the Yankees have to do. In terms of should, I think Garcia, and move Hughes to the bullpen.

by TootooReigns on Jan 25, 2012 6:06 PM EST reply actions  

If you are looking at him as the fifth starter

you have effectively written off most of his salary already. The Yankees are paying the other guys as well, so they don’t save any money by starting Burnett instead of someone else, and they want to win games. I think we are well past the point where AJ’s salary is a consideration.

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by Mickey C on Jan 25, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I voted AJ

Call me crazy but I still see him as the best option of the three. I also think one of AJ or Hughes will be goners before the season starts. Leaning more towards AJ being gone as Hughes has always been a guy Cashman has overvalued a bit. Garcia will be kept around unless he pitches awful.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 25, 2012 6:07 PM EST reply actions  

I don't think Garcia can go anywhere unless he agrees to it right?

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 25, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Not until June, no.

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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 25, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, if there's a chance he may pitch out of the bullpen he actually may agree to it

I don’t see him traded, but he’s easier to move than AJ and he’s not possible future starter for this team like Hughes is.

That said, I’m not sure I see him in the rotation either. I don’t know what they do with him.

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 25, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he’d probably ask to be traded before he’d go to the pen. I wonder if not knowing whether or not he has a spot until spring training is over would make that more difficult to pull off, though. I know why we signed him, but it really has complicated things.

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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 25, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they rushed to sign him

I wasn’t against bringing him back (ok, maybe I was a little…), but a team like the Yankees shouldn’t be signing starters like Freddy Garcia in November. He may have even still been around now if they hadn’t signed him. But at this point they don’t need him, and like you said it complicates things.

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 25, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree. I mean, if they had even waited until now and Freddy was gone, there are still good 1 year options on the market. He had a good season, but I don’t think they should have fallen all over themselves to resign him so quickly. Obviously that’s hindsight now, but I didn’t think depending on him to replicate the season he had last year again was smart to begin with.

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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 25, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

To be honest

With the Red Sox pitching situation the way it is, another reason they might have signed him so quickly was not only as a backup plan in case they couldn’t land someone but also so the Red Sox couldn’t sign him for the same reason we have him now: backup starter/possible long relief & pitching depth. At this point, Garcia is probably the #4 starter in the Red Sox rotation

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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 25, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Which I find hilarious

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 25, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

As do I

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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 25, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

My feelings on signing players to keep them away from other teams are well documented here, but it’s definitely a possibility.

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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 25, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

And I agree with those well documented feelings, as well as the undocumented ones as well

I’m just offering another possible train of thought on why they did it.

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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 25, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I would let spring play out

If Hughes is awesome you can tell Garcia he won’t be starting and then look to trade him for a bat. Keep Burnett in the bullpen just in case (or trade him if possible and keep Garcia). I’d also be ok with trading Hughes for a young bat (someone like Butler)

Best case scenario: Rotation of Sabathia, Kuroda, Pineda, Nova, and Hughes. Trade both Burnett and Garcia for a young bat and some decent prospects and put one of Warren/Phelps in the pen.

Worst case scenario: Sabathia, Kuroda, Pineda, Burnett, Garcia. Both Nova and Hughes are traded for Vernon Wells and we resign Mitre for the pen.

by jetanumba2 on Jan 25, 2012 6:08 PM EST reply actions  

Ugh, that would be terrible.

by MichaelGGBGrabow on Jan 26, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Best Case Scenario: Hughes comes out throwing bullets and blows away his competition. AJ gets traded to someplace like Miami with the Yanks picking up around half of his salary. Garcia turns into the best version of Ramiro Mendoza in the pen.
Worst Case: All goes to hell and Sergio Mitre is brought back to be the fifth starter.

If Hughes is the best pitcher at the end of spring training, he should get the starting job. I don’t care about AJ’s contract. Hughes can be a locked down part of a CC/Pineda/Nova/Hughes rotation for years to come and I want him in that spot. No more delay.

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Jan 25, 2012 6:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I like that Mendoza reference!

by MichaelGGBGrabow on Jan 26, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I think I should start a "Hire Waffles" poll

Anyway, I’mGivingYouABestCaseScenario: Hughes shines in Spring Training and is made into the 5th starter we have control of for a hwile, AJ is traded for DH/Money/Hoagies, Garcia is put in the pen as a spot starter/long relief or dumped/traded halfway so that Warren or Phelps gets a chance

I’mGivingYouAWorstCaseScenario: AJ and Garcia start, Nova’s put in the pen/AAA and Hughes is traded and becomes good somewhere else.

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 25, 2012 6:38 PM EST reply actions  

What about this...

Trade Rafael Soriano, move Phil Hughes to the ’pen, trade Burnett (cuz we cant trade Garcia yet) for a minor leaguer (albeit a good one, not great, but good) and give Garcia the fifth spot until he screws it up or gets hurt.

by twlincoln2011 on Jan 25, 2012 7:32 PM EST reply actions  

Who's going to want Soriano?

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 25, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I bet someone would take him over AJ.

by twlincoln2011 on Jan 25, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

$16M for AJ > $10M for Soriano

by jetanumba2 on Jan 25, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, only way Soriano is going is if we pay 9 of the 10 million a year

That makes zero sense in my opinion. Pay a guy to help another team.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 25, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Who wanted him last year??

by twlincoln2011 on Jan 25, 2012 7:35 PM EST reply actions  

Sorry…new guy. That was supposed to be in response to nyyrocks29’s comment.

by twlincoln2011 on Jan 25, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you talking about me wanting him, or other teams?

As for me, yea I wanted him, but not at this ridiculous salary and especially not with the opt out clauses. And the fact that he’s taking money that could go to other needs makes it worse. I think he’s a great reliever and I’m happy that he’s a part of the bullpen, but I kind of wish he opted out.

If you’re talking about other teams, it’s the same thing with AJ. Nobody is going to want that contract, especially for a reliever. The Yankees will have to eat some salary again. How much money do you want to pay to players that are playing for another team? It’s not like Soriano is costing them flexibility in the bullpen the way AJ may be costing them flexibility with his rotation spot.

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 25, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand that.

I’m just not a Soriano fan, and I know AJ can perform better than what he has. Since everyone is clammering to get rid of AJ, I thought maybe I’d throw Soriano’s name out there. With Soriano gone, Hughes (the shutdown reliever) could set up Rivera this year and maybe be the closer next year and for years to come. With D-Rob and Joba setting him up. That way, maybe AJ goes to the ’pen this year with Garcia getting the fifth spot. That leaves one bullpen spot open for competition among the AAA guys, Meyers, Cabral, and the minor league signings.

by twlincoln2011 on Jan 25, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Sadly though

There is no chance AJ goes to the pen, especially not for what we’re paying him. Also, if anyone deserves to replace Mariano as a closer at this point, it’s D-Rob.

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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 25, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats exactly why Soriano is gonna get it next year!

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 25, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

You'd better be right

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 25, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Mo is an ageless wonder.

I bet Mo and Jeter were taking bets on who would be the last core four remaining. If i was part of it- my money’s on Mo.

by ncquake24 on Jan 25, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Mariano would be much quicker to retire if his skills diminished.

by MichaelGGBGrabow on Jan 26, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

He will pitch longer than Franco and Orosco and be ten times better.

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Jan 25, 2012 8:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Garcia is a rock in the rotation

you can always depened on him to give you 5-6 quality innnings while AJ is hit or miss, and Hughes is just an unknown after this past season

by ncquake24 on Jan 25, 2012 8:12 PM EST reply actions  

Hughes is not an unknown. Last year was a bad year, which happens to almost every young pitcher. He should bounce back this year and if he doesn’t Freddy is there but to keep. Hughes sidelined as a reliever is folly. If he can be part of this rotation he needs to start now.

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Jan 25, 2012 8:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Nova cannot go to AAA – are you kidding. I’m still bummed about Noesi. AJ cannot be moved unless the Yankees eat about $24 million of the remaining $33 million.

by Bob E on Jan 25, 2012 8:43 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t want Nova to be in AAA, don’t get me wrong. They sent him down without deserving it when Hughes came back, so I don’t necessary trust them completely to not do it again. That’s why I called it the absolute worst case scenario, though.

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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 25, 2012 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

You better pray for a trade because if these three guys are on this team on opening day, Nova will probably not be in the rotation

Yanks aren’t putting AJ in the pen due to his contract. Garcia doesn’t have the stuff to pitch out of the pen(pretty much why he won the battle with Colon last year) and Hughes has always been Cashman’s guy and will get the spot over Nova unless he is thoroughly out pitched in spring training.

No, this isnt what I want but what I feel the Yanks will do unless a trade is made.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 25, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Ugh, I know. Like I said, they kinda screwed him for no reason before, I have no problem believing they’d do it again. Sucks that it’s even a remote possibility.

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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 25, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Cashman has always been obsessed with Hughes

Hughes will have every chance to get that spot in the rotation. Personally, I think Hughes belongs in the pen.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 25, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

I’ve always been the one to say Hughes and Chamberlain should be the future Setup/Closer duo. Either order, although I like Hughes as the closer.

by twlincoln2011 on Jan 25, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Hughes

Has anyone else asked themselves what kind of professional athlete in his early 20’s making a million bucks a year allows themselves to show up at spring training “out of shape”? I never understood how Hughes or/and the Yankees could be so negligent and stupid enough to allow that to happen. Is Hughes really that kind of irresponsible person?
Or is this what people mean when they say the Yankees don’t know how to develop young pitchers?

by alouishes on Jan 25, 2012 8:48 PM EST reply actions  

It could have been a fluke

Or just poor conditioning on the Yankees part. We’ll probably never know. Needless to say, it wasn’t good.

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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 25, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

He was coming off his most active season pitching over 170 innings and, if I recall, played no winter ball. The Yanks shut him down and he probably overdid it, not staying in top form. But, this off season he developed a S&C program to keep him in shape and I think we will see a top shape Hughes show up. This is a development process. You take the good with the bad with someone as talented as Hughes. Apparently, he learned his lesson.

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by memitim on Jan 25, 2012 9:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Completely unrelated probably

But I remember in the 2009 playoffs when Hughes was struggling out of the bullpen, Joe Girardi held an optional practice on an off day and Hughes was one of the players not to show up.

I’m not trying to knock Hughes or his work ethic because I don’t know the guy. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. I don’t understand how his work ethic can be bad. He’s been teammates with A-Rod his whole career. He was teammates with Roger Clemens during his first season, and Clemens has to be one of the hardest working pitchers of our generation. A-Rod’s probably one of the hardest working baseball players of all time. Thats why he’s been so good, so consistent and so durable his whole career. And those are just a few examples. You’d think Hughes picks up a thing or two from these guys.

If Hughes has been irresponsible with his conditioning and work ethic so far, hopefully he’s learned from it and it won’t happen again. If he’s not and it was just bad luck, then he’s just really unlucky and it’s bound to turn around at some point!

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 25, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I've said the same thing

Even guys like Jeter and Mo, who don’t have the same kind of legendary workout routines, have never been in less-than-perfect shape. If Hughes is guilty of not working hard it’d be really strange.

by long time listener on Jan 25, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

If Phil Hughes is not in the rotation this season I will be extremely disappointed. Extremely.

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 9:23 PM EST reply actions  

so what do they do with AJ?

I think AJ is getting the fifth spot, unless he gets traded.

by long time listener on Jan 25, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll annoy them to death

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn’t finish my comment. I agree with you. I just will be extremely disappointed if that’s the case. I think Phil Hughes has a bright future in the MLB

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

It sucks to think they might not make the rotation as strong as it could be because of money and promises, but it’s a sad reality of business that it’s likely to end up that way.

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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 25, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep. By the way, great writing lately. Is this a coping method?

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, thank you. I don’t know about coping, though. Just had a lot to talk about, I guess. Sorry for overtaking the FanPost section.

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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 25, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

No, it’s awesome to see. I personally have read every single fanpost I’d say since I joined this site, so I guess that shows that I appreciate a good one when I see one. Multiple are just icing on the cake!

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Reading this comment back, that actually looks a little depressing….

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I appreciate the compliment. I’m glad they have been seemingly well received.

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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 25, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

How do you have time to write with college and whatnot?

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Umm, good time management skills? I type/write fast, so once I know what I want to say, it doesn’t take very long to write up. I’ll do research during a break and write all the numbers/facts I want to use down in a notebook, then write the post out during the next break or after I finish my work for the night. I’m here pretty often anyway, so I just spent a little more time writing than commenting those nights. Voila. Tons of posts.

Plus, it’s something I really enjoy learning/talking/writing about, so it’s a nice change of pace from my schoolwork, which would drive me crazy if I didn’t break it up.

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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 25, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like it works out well! Time management is something I’ve grown accustom to dealing with as well!

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Writing has been very good

Sorry but you are no Dan Hanzus.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 25, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

You ever gonna write your TB 29/29 post?

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I still have to write my Detroit one

What’s the market for an AJ for Prince trade where the Tigers pay all the money of both contracts?

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 25, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha! Whenever you can!

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't think of anything!

I had one completely done about Fister, and then I went out to get something to eat with a friend at Times Square (I don’t do this often, WAY too expensive), and then I come back home and I see “Montero dealt for Pineda” headlined on yankees.com.

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 25, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha just try your hardest, if you need to pick another team check out the list

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that might be overdoing it a tad,lol

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 25, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

everyone remembers where they were

Pineda is LBJ in this scenario. Cashman is the guy on the grassy knoll.

by long time listener on Jan 25, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I can name quite a few peeps from PSA who couldve been Jack Ruby

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by YankeesJets on Jan 25, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, I had a lot of it done but the Pineda deal ruined it,lol

Pretty sure Yanks dont want James Shields any longer. Now its a very tough assignment. Probably gonna be some minor leaguers being swapped now.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 25, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, whenever and whatever you’d like. Just love seeing the fanposts.

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Just thought of another idea, that actually makes a lot of sense,lol

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by YankeesJets on Jan 25, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Great!

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I know, I know. Maybe one day…

But seriously, thank you. I appreciate it.

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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 25, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I appreciate the great writing and effort put forward

I also like the fact that you dont push the reader to want what you want.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 25, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Like whom?

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Not any one person in mind

And that wouldnt be classy to name names,lol

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 25, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

True

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Good to know I took something away from my week as a Journalism major.

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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 25, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

What made you switch?

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Print media is dying. Not overall profession.

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

But that is a concern

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

It was destined to take the fun out of it.

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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 25, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I see.

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

You don’t get to write about what you like or what you know. You write about whatever they make you, so I knew I wasn’t cut out for it in that capacity.

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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 25, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Those are definitely fair reasons.

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha oh wow

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, why not?

Her writing skills are superb, she doesn’t boldly bold profanity, or curse much to being with, she had journalism experience, she’s an avid Yankees fan who also follows the minors a lot, and quite frankly this sausage fest of writers could use a side order of Waffles!

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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 25, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn’t saying it in that way

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I know

I just felt like GivingHerAPraise

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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 25, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, I appreciate it! Which is the theme of tonight, apparently.

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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 25, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to agree with the Narrative guy

WWJD would be a great addition to the PSA staff if she were interested and had the time.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 26, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m not disagreeing, let’s just leave it at that!

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by Brandon C. on Jan 26, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

A.J. for Ellsbury. Get it done, Cashman.

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 9:48 PM EST reply actions  

This made me laugh. You sir have earned a highly coveted Brandon C. rec, the 547th in history!

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Been waiting to add one of those to my collection

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by YankeesJets on Jan 25, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

It will come, I rec a lot

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

This team has so many starters now in the system

That many have become very expendable. They have seven at the major league level and many more young pitching prospects coming up. They don’t need all of them, but what they could use is a more balanced system. With no Montero they could use another impact bat. A shortstop prospect would be nice, and then some outfielders.

This was asked before I think, but would anyone be willing to deal Hughes or Nova or Betances or maybe even Banuelos if it means getting a high end position player (or prospect)? It would depend on the deal but it’s something I think Cashman should look into. With CC, Pineda, Kuroda, Nova, Burnett, Hughes, Garcia, Phelps, Warren, Betances, Banuelos, Campos, etc… they don’t need all of them. But with possible holes on the left side of the infield or the outfield coming up soon and no immediate replacement, that might be good to have.

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 25, 2012 10:17 PM EST reply actions  

Nova/Banuelos /Betances? No, you’d potentially be filing one hole while digging another.

by MichaelGGBGrabow on Jan 26, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Phil Hughes as a 20 year old in AA:
21 starts – 116 IP – 2.25 ERA – 2.26 FIP – 10.71 K/9 – 2.48 BB/9 – 0.91 WHIP

Next season, as a 21 year old, Hughes posted a 2.20 ERA / 2.19 FIP in 5 AAA starts and a 4.46 ERA / 4.35 FIP in 13 major league starts. The season was shortened by a midseason injury (the hamstring blowout during the no-hitter against the Rangers.)

The next season (2008) was also cut short by injury. He was pitching poorly so they had the trainers check him out and they found an oblique tear and a cracked rib. He made a total of 8 starts and for most of them, he wasn’t healthy.

In 2009, he was pulled from the rotation after seven starts, two gems (8 IP – 0 ER, 6 IP – 0 ER), four mediocre to unimpressive starts (4 IP – 3 ER, 5 IP – 3 ER, 5 IP – 3 ER, 5 IP – 4 ER) and one disaster (1.2 IP – 8 ER). After that, he completely lit it up in the bullpen.

In 2010, he spent the entire year in the rotation and posted a 4.19 ERA / 4.25 FIP / 2.5 fWAR season.

2011 was pretty bad because he showed up with a noodle where his arm was supposed to be, but did improve as the year went on. From September onward, he allowed 3 ER in 17 IP, two starts (6 IP – 2 ER, 6 IP – 1 ER) and four scoreless relief appearances.

Outside of 2010, here are the number of major league starts that Hughes has made by year:
2007: 13
2008: 8
2009: 7
2011: 14

The only time that he wasn’t offered a fractured opportunity to be a starter, he had himself a pretty damn solid season. Injuries have been a big part of that, but he’s presumably healthy now.

If the Yankees give up on Hughes (who, by the way, has shown about 10x more than Banuelos or Betances at the higher levels, and imagine how frustrated you’d be about them getting continually shuffled around the way Hughes has) because A.J. Burnett makes a lot of money or because Freddy Garcia is a veteran, someone is doing their job very wrong.

by Lord Duggan on Jan 25, 2012 11:26 PM EST reply actions  

I can agree with this but I think the health history of Hughes pretty much means Garcia has to be kept around

Its ironic that AJ used to be the guy that was injury plagued and the big question was never about if he could be effective but if he could stay healthy. Since coming to the Yanks he has been our most durable starter, so if he can overcome all those health issues, perhaps there is hope for Mr Hughes.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 26, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

This this this this

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by Brandon C. on Jan 26, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Whom ever they trade

they should wait until it all washes out in Tampa. It’s not like the Yankees are in desperate need of a DH (all 8 starters could use a day off every now and then.) So I would hate a trade for Garcia or Hughes based on the need for a strictly DH candidate. Burnett the Yankees could trade for condiments and I could care less.

But from what I seen of Hughes lately I think he’ll be coming to ST to lock in as a #2 . Last session albeit against mostly college/minor league players Hughes threw 5 innings of work., struck out 8 hit 98 on his fastball which featured more of a cut. And the curve ball was simply Philthy again. His slider wasn’t looking too bad either. Threw 67of 82 for strikes and better than 45% for swinging strikes. Hughes is ready. to be number 2.

by bleedsyankeeblue on Jan 26, 2012 2:01 AM EST reply actions  

Nova to AAA =(

Unfortunately, it seems to me that Burnett’s contract and past success all but guarantees a spot for him. This leaves Nova, Hughes, and Garcia. Garcia, to me, is clearly the odd man out as his long-term value for the Yanks is nothing, so unless he wants to pitch out of the pen he will likely have to be moved. This means the yanks will have to make a tough decision between Hughes and Nova. Look, pitchers always get hurt, and it wouldn’t be long before Nova was called back up. If I’m the yanks, I start Nova in AAA and give Hughes the 5th spot because I believe if Hughes doesn’t turn it around this year and show everyone that he can start, he will permanently lose his once huge value.

by Jon F on Jan 26, 2012 3:19 AM EST reply actions  

5th starter ?

Trade Burnett if at all possible. Add Swisher to the pkg. for Butler,and eat some of Burnett’s salary.Sign Oswalt as an ins. policy if Garcia or Hughes can’t go.

by IRISH SADNESS on Jan 26, 2012 9:55 AM EST reply actions  

I'm so happy that's not gonna happen

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by Rorschach44 on Jan 26, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

No

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by Brandon C. on Jan 26, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

This ain't gonna happen

Why would we now sign Oswalt “as an insurance policy” when we already have too many pitchers? Oswalt would start, not be any team’s insurance policy.

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by david d on Jan 26, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I prefer Geico, anyway

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by Brandon C. on Jan 26, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

You don’t wanna go with them. They screwed me and the other two people in my neighborhood after the tornado. Took them 2 weeks to even show up (everybody else’s insurance companies were here either same day or next day) then they nickel and dimed the shit out of us. I dropped them from my homeowner’s and 3 cars as soon as I got things fixed.

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by david d on Jan 26, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Yikes, that’s awful.

They gave me a really great rate for my car and I added renters…

by MichaelGGBGrabow on Jan 26, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s way you don’t like Allstate…

by bloppy_ploppy on Jan 26, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

So your solution to the problem of a logjam is to trade one of the three and then sign another pitcher?

Also, who plays RF?

by MichaelGGBGrabow on Jan 26, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

The top 4 is CC, Pineda, Kuroda and Nova

those 4 have either earned it or are expected to be in that part of the rotation. As for the last spot, Hughes vs. AJ I think we’ll see Hughes in teh pen for the start of the season, then when Joba is getting ready to come back I thinks Hughes will be worked back into the rotation.

Somehow that’ll work out and somehow Freddy Garcia has nothing to do with anything.

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by Rorschach44 on Jan 26, 2012 12:00 PM EST reply actions  

Can you take care of Garcia?

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by Brandon C. on Jan 26, 2012 12:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

hughes

A lot depends on what’s inside Hughes head. I think the yanks want to send him a message. We’ll see if he rises to the challenge. I bet he does.

If he can return to being an all star, he’ll have huge trade value. If not, the yanks have lots of options.

Cashman was probably referring to some of the AAA pitching as excess. Cash can just wait for the market to come to him.

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