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Uhhhh, what? Pujols + Fielder = Uh-oh for AL.

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do you mean "Cabrera + Fielder"?

That does make for a pretty potent lineup. Unless you’re commenting on both Pujols and Field joining the AL, which does make pitcher’s jobs harder.

by long time listener on Jan 24, 2012 3:30 PM EST reply actions  

I took it as the latter of the two

by MichaelGGBGrabow on Jan 24, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Latter of the two

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by Brandon C. on Jan 24, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

very well then

I thought you got your beefy Latino-heritaged baseball players confused, but wanted to check before calling you a racist.

by long time listener on Jan 24, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I appreciate checking beforehand, certain members on this site would not.

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by Brandon C. on Jan 24, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s so racist.

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by jscape2000 on Jan 25, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm sure that's never stopped you before.

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by noonoo on Jan 24, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Replace lost DH with a 9 year DH. Oh..

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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 24, 2012 3:34 PM EST reply actions  

yeah. whaaat.

Especially since a much smaller deal could have gotten him. Boras must have called in a favor because I have no idea why the Tigers would all of a sudden decide to do this…

by jetanumba2 on Jan 24, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

We shoulda signed him!

and made Tex the full-time DH.

Romine!

by david d on Jan 24, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

No, no need to clog up the DH with one person, especially a $200mm player, when the payroll is where it is at and Alex and Derek will need to fill the DH slot over the next few years.

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Jan 24, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahh, ok…there were quite a few folks who wanted the Yanks to sign him. I thought this was one of them.

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Jan 24, 2012 6:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Really curious to see how that contract negotiations went.

by MichaelGGBGrabow on Jan 24, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Scott Boras: Hi Dave, I’m calling to talk to you about Prince Fielder even though you already have an immobile 1B in Miguel Cabrera, and are committed to Victor Martinez at DH for the next 4 seasons.
Dave Dombrowksi: Look, we’ll offer Prince $90M for 5 years to be our DH.
Scott Boras: 9 years, $214M
DD: $120M/6 years.
SB: 9 years, $214M
DD: $150M/7 years. But that’s it.
SB: 9 years, $214M
DD: Seriously, I’m not going any higher.
SB: 9 years, $214M
DD: Alright, I’m hanging up the phone.
SB: These are not the droids you are looking for.
DD: These aren’t the droids we’re looking for.
SB: We can go about our business.
DD: We can go about our business. We offer 9 years, $214M.
SB: We accept!

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by jscape2000 on Jan 25, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Albert Pujols, Prince Fielder, Adrian Gonzalez…

Mark Teixiera will never make it to another All-Star game… or we’ll actually see a Yankee during the 9th inning.

by Cinemanrt on Jan 24, 2012 3:35 PM EST reply actions  

or we’ll actually see a Yankee during the 9th inning.

Other than Mo, that’s a really funny joke, no sarcasm intended!

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by Brandon C. on Jan 24, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Other than Cano

we may not see another position player start the AS Game for quite some time.

Romine!

by david d on Jan 24, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

just first base wont make it, we still have granderson and other fringe players like martin, gardner and swisher might make it. Not to mention jeter and arod might make it this year.

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by NewYork! on Jan 24, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s not what I meant

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by Brandon C. on Jan 24, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay. My comment still stands!

Romine!

by david d on Jan 24, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I manage this site, so I say it doesn’t!

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by Brandon C. on Jan 24, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh no. Big Brother is watching.

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by noonoo on Jan 24, 2012 8:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Nothing’s in my head. Self-zing

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by Brandon C. on Jan 25, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure Jeter is starting every year until he retires

The starters get voted in based on popularity.

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 24, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

And there aren’t many top level SS in the AL either.

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Jan 24, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Great signing

especially with V-Mart on the shelf.

Romine!

by david d on Jan 24, 2012 3:38 PM EST reply actions  

Except that they still have V-Mart for 2013 and 2014, at $13 and $12 million per season

That means for two years the Tigers are essentially going to be paying three players about $56 million dollars ($13 for VMart, $21 for Miggy, $23 for Fielder) to three guys who are all essentially DHs. It’s almost … Steinbrenneresque. If they play Miggy at 3b and Fielder at 1b in 2013 they might just have the worst defensive infield in ML history.

by d_c_guy on Jan 24, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

oh dear god

that porch of ours is gonna get a lot of action this year….

by Riv34 on Jan 24, 2012 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

Prince don’t need no stinkin’ short porch

Romine!

by david d on Jan 24, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

almost 600 lbs

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by NewYork! on Jan 24, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

@JonHeymanCBS prince will be the first baseman, for anyone asking. cabrera will have to change role. #tigers

Welp.

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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 24, 2012 3:58 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe he can PA announce

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by Brandon C. on Jan 24, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

They do need cheerleaders!

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by natteringnabob on Jan 24, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe all that bunting will actually pay off when the Tigers come to town.

by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jan 24, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Is Cabrera being moved back to third?

I know there was talk of that when 3B became a problem for them last year

by jetanumba2 on Jan 24, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Has to be

God, that must be the fattest corner infield duo in the history of baseball.

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 24, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

and potentially the most productive

Romine!

by david d on Jan 24, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

and defensively challenged

by jetanumba2 on Jan 24, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Prince is a good fielder

no pun intended. Miggy? Uh, not so much…but he used to be!

Romine!

by david d on Jan 24, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

His range ain’t great, but he doesn’t boot what he does get to. Kinda like Jeter.

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by david d on Jan 24, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

He might want to ease off the drinking

Hot corner’s a bit more taxing when hungover than first.

by bango31 on Jan 24, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Baseball is going to be so incredibly fun to watch this season.

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by Brandon C. on Jan 24, 2012 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

The AL, anyway

The Phillies are going to roll over the NL.

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by david d on Jan 24, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

This seems like a good time to laugh at the Mets

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 24, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

every time is a good time

by jetanumba2 on Jan 24, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

wasn't that what was gonna happen last year?

oh right, knocked out by the wild card team. love the playoffs

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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 24, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

They didn’t roll? They had the best record in baseball.

Romine!

by david d on Jan 24, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

different definitions I suppose

Will they make the playoffs again? almost assuredly. Will they win? Shrug

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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 24, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah,

I was referring to the regular season in my response to Brandon’s comment;

Baseball is going to be so incredibly fun to watch this season

Romine!

by david d on Jan 24, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I really just cannot wait for the MLB season.

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by Brandon C. on Jan 24, 2012 4:12 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 24, 2012 4:28 PM EST reply actions  

doesn't matter

This is Fielder. I’m pretty sure every one of his home runs go well over 400 feet. I think he’d hit the same number of homers no matter where he plays

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 24, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 24, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, and very few of those results are going to change because of Comerica Park

And he plays half his games on the road too.

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 24, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

he hit 38 in miller park, it should decrease a little, even by one or two

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by NewYork! on Jan 24, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

https://twitter.com/#!/si_vault/status/161915348482916354

No one told him to tie his shoes??

Cubs, (football) Giants, TIgers…interesting.

by MichaelGGBGrabow on Jan 24, 2012 4:38 PM EST reply actions  

I hope cabrera and Fielder aren't allowed anywhere near each other

the olfactory Armageddon their combined farts will cause is gonna be epic.

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by Rorschach44 on Jan 24, 2012 4:47 PM EST reply actions  

3's a crowd

Just wait till CC is pitching to Miggy and Prince is on deck.

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by david d on Jan 24, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow.

For some reason, I think receiving Pineda is a good thing given all these hitters are coming.

by TootooReigns on Jan 24, 2012 5:00 PM EST reply actions  

well, the AL got a bit more interesting this year

so the NL will be forced to load up on ace pitchers.

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by nolesbroncos3456 on Jan 24, 2012 5:06 PM EST reply actions  

The All Star game is in the bag. Home field advantage, here we come!

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I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Jan 24, 2012 5:07 PM EST reply actions  

Wow.

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by Andrew GM on Jan 24, 2012 5:09 PM EST reply actions  

I love it when the Yankees are not World Series favorites.

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by Xavier10 on Jan 24, 2012 5:14 PM EST reply actions  

No way they were going to beat 9/$214

That’s insane for an AL team. I can’t believe Boras did it again.

by d_c_guy on Jan 24, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

if they didnt waste money for werth, they couldve got him

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by NewYork! on Jan 24, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

You know, I still don't think they'd have gone 9/$214

That’s nuts for an AL team; for an NL team not even Omar Minaya would do that deal.

by d_c_guy on Jan 24, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

theres a reason prince didnt sign early. No one wanted him, even the nationals interest was lukewarm and the tigers still dole out 9/214? weird…

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by NewYork! on Jan 24, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

From Dan Plesac, quoted over at Bless You Boys:

Detroit has separated themselves in the A.L. Central.

Separated from what? The other four mediocre at best to awful at worst teams in that division? They won the division by 15 games.

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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 24, 2012 5:41 PM EST reply actions  

Prince Fielder isn’t a 25 WAR player…

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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 24, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Fine, 115

It’s not just Fielder; their pitching is likely to be better with a full season of Fister and an improvement from Porcello and Scherzer.

by d_c_guy on Jan 24, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

my bet is that valverde has a bad year, idk its just a feeling i have with him…and verlander doesnt repeat his “MVP” year

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by NewYork! on Jan 24, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Off topic, but.....

Melky got a $6M deal from the Giants. Many people on this site are very down on him and think he will revert to the mean this year but, apparently, the Giants don’t think so.

by AndyC_daddy on Jan 24, 2012 6:11 PM EST reply actions  

well

“don’t think” are probably the operative words there.

Cody Ross, a righthanded batter: signed for $3M in Boston. Meanwhile they seem to be intending to field an all-lefty OF (yes, Pagan is switch, but still), with lefties Belt or Huff platooned at 1B (yes, I meant to write that). Playing 81 games in a ballpark that, on most nights, is only live to LF. GREAT SUCCESS.

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by natteringnabob on Jan 24, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Some takeaways here

1. This is an owner move. The Tigers’ owner is 85, and wants a title. Odds are he won’t be alive for the back-end of the deal, so why should he care?

2. The price on Johnny Damon just dropped back down after the V-Mart situation got resolved & Pena signed. He makes so much sense on a one-year deal.

by PortlandYankee on Jan 24, 2012 8:18 PM EST reply actions  

hopefully we can sign damon for 1 year/5 million and ill be happy

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by NewYork! on Jan 24, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

He made 5.25 last year and is now a year older

by MichaelGGBGrabow on Jan 25, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

so how much do you think he’ll want? 4?

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by NewYork! on Jan 25, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha I’m sure he wants plenty, I feel like he could certainly be signed for $4m though.

by MichaelGGBGrabow on Jan 25, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

i shouldve reworded it better hah

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by NewYork! on Jan 26, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s gonna get a whole lot of that porch.

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by Kevin L on Jan 25, 2012 1:42 AM EST reply actions  

You misspelled pork

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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 25, 2012 1:44 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Short term...

..a good pickup for Detroit.

Long term..that deal could be an albatross. I’ll say the same thing I did when Howard signed his deal with the Phillies, and multiply the sentiment by 5:

Guys with that body type, and those type of numbers, usually DO NOT age well. In years 1-3, the deal’s good. In years 4 &5? Marginal. In years 6-9? YIKES.

I KNOW Fielder has been extremely durable since he hit the league. I doubt that will continue later into his career.

Unless Fielder suddenly changes his body type or installs himself at DH for 3/4 of that deal….I can’t see this going well for the Tigers long term.

Short term…it’s possible it wins them a WS. I’d still be suspect about their defensive shortcomings at the corners, but that lineup might very well be the one that can overcome.

by CalinCT on Jan 25, 2012 10:20 AM EST reply actions  

same here

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by Habana on Jan 25, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

congrats Prince

hope we don’t trade for you in 5 years, unless its for half a season like your pops. Remember, carbs are the enemy!

by total hermination on Jan 25, 2012 10:17 PM EST reply actions  

just remembered we had Cecil for half a season then a full one

and he blew in that full one – loved him some straight back foul tips if I recall correctly, which Michael Kay insisted he was “right on”

by total hermination on Jan 25, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

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