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Postseason Pitching vs. Hitting: Which Matters More?

I looked at every World Series winner in the Wild Card era (1995-present) and how many batters their "most used" pitcher faced, and then how many plate appearances their "most used" hitter had. There was usually a very wide margin between the two, always in favor of the pitcher.*

The "ace" pitcher faced an average of 136 hitters in the postseason (they ranged from Greg Maddux to Andy Pettitte to Josh Beckett to Chris Carpenter). The most used (usually leadoff) hitter had an average of 70 PA/postseason, just about half as many opportunities to help his team as the pitcher.**

So it's pretty obvious that a single pitcher does, in fact, play a bigger role in the playoffs than a single hitter.

But what if we include a hitter's defense?

Going by regular season stats, there have been 37-38 defensive chances per game over the last 17 years. Dividing that by nine fielders equals about four chances per player per game. (Obviously this number can vary based on position: While catchers, first- and second-basemen have the most chances, pitchers have the fewest; but it's just an average, so bear with me.) If we add four "opportunities" to each hitter through each playoff game, where does that put them?

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It makes it much closer. It gives hitters an extra 60 opportunities (on average) to help their team in the postseason. That brings a position player's total to 130, only six shy of pitchers' opportunities. Throw in a few stolen bases and it's nearly even.

But... pitchers also contribute on defense (not a lot), about two chances per game. But they only appear every few days or so, so it wouldn't add all that much to their totals.

In the end, it appears that a single pitcher can (and usually does) contribute more during the playoffs (what with extra off days and less worry about late-season health) than a single position player. That, of course, doesn't mean he will (the ace pitcher could suck), but he does have more opportunities to do so.

Examples: In the 1999 playoffs, Orlando Hernandez faced 117 batters and Derek Jeter had 53 PA. Toss in about four plays/game for Jeter on defense (over 12 games) and he gets credit for 101 opportunities, still less than El Duque though. This past October, however, while Chris Carpenter faced 148 batters over St. Louis' 18 postseason games, Rafael Furcal had 81 PA and approximately 72 chances on defense, for a total of 153, slightly higher than the pitcher. But this was the exception, not the rule.***

Perhaps Brian Cashman was thinking along the same lines when he traded Jesus Montero for Michael Pineda. Since Montero might have been nothing more than a DH with the Yankees (and would therefore receive zero defensive credit), the fact that Cashman traded him for a (potentially great) starting pitcher makes sense.

* All I cared about was who had more opportunities to help his club, not whether he did or not.

** Instead of choosing one hitter, I sometimes chose a combination of hitters that had the most PA in each playoff series (LDS, LCS and WS), so while in some years that was one player, other years it was three. For example, Tim Raines led the Yankees in PA in the '96 LDS, but Derek Jeter had more in the LCS and it was Bernie Williams in the WS. In '98 though, Paul O'Neill led the club in every series. If anything, this gives slightly more credit to the hitters than they deserve.

*** Go back to the days of four-man rotations and the "ace" pitcher gets an even bigger advantage.

[Source: The indomitable BRef. Excel file with raw data.]

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Routine Plays

Over 90% of those plays are routine, and therefore, don’t provide any incremental value vs replacement.

There’s a bigger difference between a Carpenter inning and a Brad Penny inning, particularly when facing a playoff caliber offense.

Most arguments are really about context.

by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 24, 2012 12:20 PM EST reply actions  

But what qualifies a play as "routine"

and how much of that routine is aided by managerial decision-making (defensive positioning, late-game substitutions, etc.)?

by Dr. Copp on Jan 24, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Just watch Posada's press conference

It is sooooo sad! A lot different than Pettitte’s was. There’s no reason to be sad, Jorge, you’re still awesome

by jetanumba2 on Jan 24, 2012 1:56 PM EST reply actions  

7tony2

i agree good luck jorge
thanxs for the memories

by 7tony2 on Jan 24, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

nyyrocks29

i agree. jorge’s awesome

fu*k boston

I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant

A.J. Burnett's only fan!

by nyyrocks29 on Jan 24, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

rorschach44

i just scratched my left nut, smelled my finger and then dug for gold in my arse

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Jan 24, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I commented about this a week or so ago. There is no doubt an elite pitcher is more valuable then an elite hitter in the postseason. It’s comical that there is even a discussion about this. The gap between the amount of batters a pitcher faces compared to the amount of at bats a hitter gets is far too great to be made up for by defense. There are also other factors to take into account….

A team with an elite pitcher can also control how much that pitcher impacts the game. Do you want him to pitch 8 innings? 9? 10? Pitch 3 times in a series(CC)? Relief? That team can control that pitchers influence, making him a more useful and valuable weapon. A hitter obviously has to wait his turn in the lineup and cant be utilized at a more frequent rate. An elite hitter can be intentionally walked, pitched carefully, beaned. There are ways to avoid a great hitter or lessen his impact without using much actual skill. There isnt anything you can do to avoid a great pitcher if he’s dominating at that time. A pitcher can potentially start 3 of the 7 games of a series. A pitchers impact is far greater.

by cermolaNY2 on Jan 24, 2012 2:22 PM EST reply actions  

Agree

Old saying in baseball: good pitching beats good hitting.
Your point about flexibility is supported by the 1957 World Series, when Lew Burdette pitched three complete game victories – two shutouts – to lead the Milwaukee Braves over the Yankees. His second shutout won Game 7; he pitched with two days’ rest.

Mickey C

by Mickey C on Jan 24, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

A more recent example of flexibility

would be the 1995 Divisional Series against Seattle. The fifth game was tied in the top of the ninth, and the Yankees had two on, no outs. Seattle brought in Game 3 winner Randy Johnson, who mowed down Wade Boggs, Bernie Williams, and Paul O’Neill. Seattle went on to win in the eleventh inning.

Mickey C

by Mickey C on Jan 24, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yup. How about a more recent example, as in the most recent example possible, the WS last season. Carpenter pitched 1-5-7 going 19 innings allowing 6 runs. That’s huge.

by cermolaNY2 on Jan 24, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, if we’re just going anecdotally, you could just as easily cite the huge efforts by David Freese, Cody Ross, and Alex Rodriguez for the last three World Series winners.

by Lord Duggan on Jan 25, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t forget Matsui!

Romine!

by david d on Jan 26, 2012 1:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Please

Don’t ever bring up Game 5 of the ‘95 Divisional Series without some kind of advisory warning of what’s to follow. That was a disturbing game and it is to this day hard to relive that moment.

Romine!

by david d on Jan 24, 2012 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

The two stud starter recipe is the reason for each of the Yankees last two World Series losses.

The Yankees were better over 162 games than either the Marlins or D’Backs- the only edge those teams had was superior 1-2 starters who won all four games in each series.

In 2009, there was no real starting pitching edge for either team.

by designatedquitter on Jan 24, 2012 3:51 PM EST reply actions  

DeNiro summed it up best.


Baseball! A man stands alone at the plate. This is the time for what? For individual achievement. There he stands alone. But in the field, what? Part of a team. Teamwork…. Looks, throws, catches, hustles – part of one big team. Bats himself the live-long day, Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, and so on. If his team don’t field… what is he? You follow me? No one! Sunny day, the stands are full of fans. What does he have to say? “I’m goin’ out there for myself. But… I get nowhere unless the team wins.”

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Jan 24, 2012 4:42 PM EST reply actions  

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