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Guest Post: Rob Steingall Talks Yankees Prospects & More

It is with great pleasure that I bring you this guest post written by Rob Steingall. Rob provided his own introduction, so all I will say is that Rob has a SB Nation account and will answer any questions you have in the comments section of this post. Please feel free to ask questions and comment on the post itself! Here's Rob's post!

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In writing over at SNYWhyGuys and my Minor Developments piece at Yahoo! Sports, I don't normally get to focus exclusively on Yankees prospects, so this piece is a special treat for me. I've been a Yankees fan for as long as I can remember, so from a personal standpoint, it gives added meaning to me to follow their farm system. It's exciting knowing the young players I'm watching and covering today will be such a huge part of the greatest franchise in baseball history tomorrow.

The most important thing I need to share first, and what I've learned since I started covering prospects, is that you have to leave emotion at the door when evaluating players (those of you who are Ocean's 11 fans will recognize that line). You almost need to forget what uniform the player is wearing when evaluating talent, with the focus being on the skill set and how those skills are translating to the actual game itself. All this being said, let's talk prospects!

Q: Manny Banuelos and Dellin Betances are the top pitching prospects in the farm system. What is their ceiling and what pitcher do they best compare to currently in the majors?

Star-divide

Let's start with Banuelos, who generated a ton of buzz last spring with his impressive performances. Banuelos normally works in the low-to-mid 90s with his heater, and can ramp it up to 96 when he's looking for a little more. His upper 70s curveball shows good break and power, and his change up shows deception and good late fade. Both of these secondary offerings flash plus potential. Banuelos has added some velocity in recent years, and is still learning how to command his increased stuff. The problem we face with him is two straight years of questionable control, with a BB/9 just a shade below 5.00.

I see him as a spitting image of Nationals lefty Gio Gonzalez, a fellow short lefty with a big strikeout arsenal who took a similar development path. With Banuelos, I don't think we're looking at an ace, but certainly a guy who has a #2/#3 ceiling and can be a very effective pitcher for the Yankees.

In a way, Betances is very similar to Banuelos, in the sense that both pitchers really took a step back in the control department this past season. Betances' fastball also sits in the low-to-mid 90s, reaching 97. He gets tremendous downward plane on the ball due to his enormous 6'8" frame, giving him a great weapon to work off of. His curveball sits in the low 80s and shows good power, but command of the pitch is lacking, as he's showed great difficulty when it comes to controlling it in the zone. His change-up flashes plus at times, and gives him a nice weapon against left handed batters.

Some have compared Betances to current Yankee A.J. Burnett, most recently Mike Axisa over at River Ave Blues. I'm not quite so sure I see it, but an interesting case can be made. I personally see a greater likeness to current Mets pitcher Mike Pelfrey, who showed a similarly big fastball coming through the minors and spotty secondary control. Don't take that as Betances becoming Pelfrey, but rather where I see him from a developmental standpoint currently. Betances' secondary offerings show greater potential than anything Pelfrey was working with in the minors, so the chance of him exceeding that comp is quite good. He also profiles as a #2/#3 starter in the majors, or a shutdown arm out of the bullpen.

Q: Who is this Jose Campos guy, and why should I be excited about him?

I did an extensive write-up of Campos over at the SNYWhyGuys blog, where I stated I felt he actually could have a higher upside than both Manny Banuelos and Dellin Betances. This is certainly a bold claim, but Campos is a special talent. I'm somewhat breaking from my earlier disclaimer in saying this, but look at the recent track record the Mariners have in spotting and developing young pitchers.

Felix Hernandez, Michael Pineda, and current top prospect Taijuan Wagner are all physically imposing righties with big power arsenals, and Campos fits that mold as well. While raw and inexperienced as a pitcher, Campos controls his stuff well, something so crucial when evaluating young arms. Given more innings and continued instruction, he could wind up as the Yankees best pitching prospect a year from now.

Q: With the departure of Jesus Montero, who is next in line as the best Yankees positional prospect?

There are plenty of solid bats down on the farm. Here is a little bit on each of them:

Gary Sanchez, C: Often compared to Jesus Montero, but a long way off. Good swing mechanics and patience, with plus power. Poor receiving skills as a catcher, but a good throwing arm. Needs to refine his defensive skills to stick behind the plate. Sound familiar? Could develop along the same path as... Jesus Montero.

Dante Bichette, 3B: I loved this draft pick and really believe in his bat. He uses the whole field when hitting and shows good pop, and will make pitchers pay deep when they make a mistake. Shows good plate discipline and has a great work ethic. Made good defensive strides and now looks like he can stick at third base.

Mason Williams, OF: Tons of tools, highlighted by excellent speed. A natural center fielder who should hit for average and develop useable power. Needs to repeat his performances at a higher level to take the next step. Reminds me a lot of Austin Jackson from a skill set standpoint.

Austin Romine, C: He is the catcher of the future, even if Montero was still in the fold. On the cusp of a breakout, both with the bat and behind the plate. Still working on transferring his power and throwing into more usable skills. A good receiver, and handles pitchers well. He'll be a good one for the Yankees and is nearly a finished product.

Ravel Santana, OF: Suffered a serious ankle injury last year which cut his season short. Great bat speed and plus power, but needs to improve his pitch recognition to take the next step offensively. Has a great throwing arm and running skills, and is likely to eventually shift to a corner outfield spot, especially with the emergence of Mason Williams.

Q: Finally, what are your thoughts on Michael Pineda and his future with the Yankees?

I've been following Pineda closely for the past three years, and writing about him for nearly that entire time. This is a guy who excited me to the point of tuning in to Mariners minor league games on internet radio if I wasn't able to find a video feed of his starts. Here is my most recent post about him over at SNYWhyGuys, which also cites some of the other work I've done about him. I won't lie, Pineda has been a little bit of an obsession for me, but one I'm proud to say I was spot on about.

In short, I think Pineda could be challenging for Cy Young awards in the American League in the next few years. A lot of people talk about how rare a catcher with the offensive ceiling of Jesus Montero is, but let's be serious; he was never going to stick behind the plate and would have been limited with the Yankees. The DH role will increasingly be filled by the likes of A-Rod and Jeter, so Montero's value was at it's probable high-water mark after his strong September showing.

Good friend and colleague Michael Salfino recently wrote a piece for The Wall Street Journal about how truly special Pineda's rookie season was. If you're looking for rare, look no further than the opening paragraph in that piece:

"Recently acquired Yankees starter Michael Pineda isn't coming off just any rookie season, but one unique to baseball history. No other rookie hurler with at least 150 innings has ever had more than nine strikeouts and fewer than three walks per nine innings."

If that doesn't excite the fan base, I'm not sure what will. Acquiring Pineda was great for the Yankees, and while the loss of Montero stings due to the attachment we all had for the potentially next great homegrown Yankee hitter, what we received in return was quite special.

Thanks again to Brandon for reaching out to me and affording me the opportunity to do this guest piece. If anyone has any additional prospect questions, I'll be happy to answer them in the comments section below.

You can also follow or reach me on Twitter @rsteingall (https://twitter.com/#!/rsteingall), where I discuss prospects, sports, and other general nonsense with anyone who comes my way.

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Where have I heard this before?
Austin Romine, C: He is the catcher of the future, even if Montero was still in the fold.

Romine!

by david d on Jan 22, 2012 9:49 AM EST reply actions  

Romine!

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by Brandon C. on Jan 22, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Name Change

Can we convince Austin to change his name to Jesus?

by steelerwheeler on Jan 24, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I have three questions of my own, Rob!

What do you think of Graham Stoneburner?

Who has more potential of Warren/Phelps?

Will Venditte ever make the bigs?

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by Brandon C. on Jan 22, 2012 9:52 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

Piggybacking off of Brandon's second question...

What are your thoughts about either Warren’s or Phelps’ potential to contribute to the major league rotation, and what kind of results might we be expected to see?

And in regards to Banuelos, where do most of his control issues manifest themselves? Is it mostly with the increased velocity on the fastball, or are the other pitches (curveball and changeup) equally affected?

Thanks in advance!

by bango31 on Jan 22, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Warren and Phelps are back end guys who can eat innings. If they continue to develop, they could be guys who eventually crack in as bullpen help or spot starters. To me, these are guys who wind up as secondary pieces in Yankee trades, much like Noesi.

With Banuelos, it’s his entire arsenal that he has trouble locating. I cite Gio Gonzalez as a guy I compare him to, and if you look at his ‘06 season in the Phillies organization, you’ll find similar struggles. It took Gonzalez a repeat of Double-A, but he he got on track and is not a very good pitcher.

The stuff is there with Banuelos, he just needs more experience and innings to get a better feel for pitching. Let’s keep in mind that he’s only going to be 21, so the Yankees don’t need to rush him. I’d actually like to see him return to Double-A and show better command to start the season, but that’s just me.

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by Rob Steingall on Jan 22, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the answers. I guess that would make the acquisition of Pineda even more valuable as it doesn’t force the organization’s hand in terms of rushing him or Betances in order to get more arms in the ML rotation.

by bango31 on Jan 22, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

- 2011 was a bit of a lost year from Stoneburner due to a neck injury, which zapped him of the stuff we saw in ’10. I like his heavy fastball and ability to generate ground balls. Good health puts him right back on the fast track. He certainly has an arsenal that can get him to the majors and allow him to stick as a starter.

- Give me Phelps, although it’s very close. I like his secondary stuff a bit more, but it’s really just splitting hairs. Both profile as back of the rotation innings eaters in the majors.

- I sure hope Venditte makes it, and if he keeps putting up numbers as solid as his ‘11 campaign, he has a good shot. His unique skill set is just good for baseball, and I’d love to see it on the national stage.

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by Rob Steingall on Jan 22, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks Rob, agreed on Venditte. I want to watch him live one of these days.

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by Brandon C. on Jan 22, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Have seen Venditte

He has never demonstrated overwhelming stuff any of the 3 times I have seen him. Nowhere near the stuff of Noesi or Betances, not even the stuff of someone like Josh Outman, who I saw pitch 4 times in the Eastern League.

by Iggy Poptart on Jan 22, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Banuelos seemed to nibble too much when he got ahead in the count, a la Hughes, resulting in BB’s. Venditte will not pitch in the majors and Stoneburner will not pitch for the Yankees.

Romine!

by david d on Jan 22, 2012 10:31 AM EST reply actions  

Stoneburner

I agree with you there. He’s a guy who will be on the move when the right deal comes along.

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by Rob Steingall on Jan 22, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

What do you think of Matt Duran?

ESPN has him in the top 10 under the radar prospects.

by ncquake24 on Jan 22, 2012 11:40 AM EST reply actions  

Being a 4th rounder in this year’s draft is quite impressive, considering how deep the crop of prospects was. Duran is very projectable and showed impressive pop in his debut. It will be interesting to see where he ends up long term with Bichette also in the picture. He’s one prospect that could really take a leap forward on the organizational depth chart with more success.

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by Rob Steingall on Jan 22, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Great insight. If you had to guess, how will the Yankees hitting prospects rank a year from now? Is there a player that you think may break out and be ranked higher than we’d expect? Thanks.

by cermolaNY2 on Jan 22, 2012 11:41 AM EST reply actions  

I think Santana has a chance at moving further up the list, and also Duran, who I previously mentioned. I still hold out hope for Heathcott, but he’s been so frustrating to me that anything he positive he provides moving forward is a step in the right direction.

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by Rob Steingall on Jan 22, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice job- though I disagree with this statement
He is the catcher of the future, even if Montero was still in the fold. On the cusp of a breakout, both with the bat and behind the plate.

Romine hit the same in AA last year that Cervelli hits in the majors. Yes, Romine is above average defensively but I don’t see how he is in any way on the cusp of a breakout as a hitter. He looked awful during his short stint in the majors last year. He could improve and we’ll see, but calling Romine the catcher of the future right now I think is a big stretch. Especially with Gary Sanchez (far more upside as a hitter) still in the fold.

Then again, Joe Girardi and the Yankees seem to love their defensive catchers, so maybe all Romine needs to do is hit like Cervelli to get the catchers job.

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 22, 2012 12:30 PM EST reply actions  

Really?

20 PA’s. It’s funny how the “small sample size” narrative only gets used when it’s convenient.

Romine!

by david d on Jan 22, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Fine- ignore the majors

Doesn’t matter. He hit the same in AA as Cervelli hit in the majors. Nobody calls Cervelli a major league starting catcher, so how is Romine the catcher of the future when he hits the same two levels down?

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 22, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not saying he will hit any better

Gotta wait and see. But catcher of the future doesn’t only mean hitting, as we’ve seen by recent moves.

Romine!

by david d on Jan 22, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I know

Thats why I said there’s still a shot- because he’s a great defender in Girardi’s eyes, so maybe all he needs to do his hit like Cervelli in order to get a chance to play.

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 22, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Romine Concerns

Thanks for making this point. Romine certainly isn’t without warts, but I do think the good still outweighs the bad.

If you look at the typical development of catchers, age 23/24 seasons are where breakouts have a tendency to occur, especially offensively. His sample above Double-A was incredibly small, and he really needs another year in the minors to continue refining his skills. If he’s able to provide a .270 average with 10-15 homers, plus solid defensive work behind the plate, he’ll be solid for years to come.

I think you can chalk the defensive concerns up to Romine still being raw as a product. The tools are there, and the hope is that he can translate them into usable skills.

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by Rob Steingall on Jan 22, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Romine!

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by Brandon C. on Jan 22, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, I'm rooting for the guy

If he can do something like .270/.340 and play above average defense, thats actually not bad so long as he’s consistent. It’s just such a huge drop off from the production I was expecting from the future catcher 2 weeks ago. And if Sanchez can be anything like Montero with the bat, I think I’d rather have him than Romine even if Sanchez’s defensive skills aren’t at the same level.

It may not matter though if they truly give Russell Martin multiple years.

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 22, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

OT but here's this
Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports that Johnny Damon “badly” wants to rejoin the Yankees, but the team is “not set on any one DH type.”

Sherman also notes that the Yanks will wait for their deals for Michael Pineda and Hiroki Kuroda to be finalized before they make any other moves. Damon could also potentially be an option for the Tigers, and the Orioles have come interest, as well. The 38-year-old batted .261/.326/.418 with 16 homers, 73 RBI and 19 stolen bases for the Rays in 2011.

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 22, 2012 12:42 PM EST reply actions  

I have to agree with this

He’s probably the best option left, he’ll be quite cheap, only for one year, and he can still play the outfield without being a sure bet to injure himself. And who knows? Maybe seeing that short porch again 81 times a year will rejuvenate him and he’ll have a bounce back year.

I don’t love the option, but it looks a lot better compared to other DH options or sticking to a revolving DH (which essentially means Eduardo Nunez is the DH against righties).

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 22, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

His numbers weren’t all that bad, either. And 2.8 WAR, .2 on the positive side on defense. Go figure.

Romine!

by david d on Jan 22, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I know you like Damon but you really think he can still play the OF?Rejuvenation?? Bounce back year???

by Scooby Snacks on Jan 22, 2012 1:33 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

No

I think he might though. The best we will probably get is a repeat of 2011, which isn’t great but it’s better than pretty much any remaining option. I’m just trying to look at it optimistically.

As for playing the outfield… I just said he can play it without hurting himself. Nothing else!!! If he does sign, I’ll just pray that no non-routine ball gets hit out to him on the rare days he’s in left, or worse, center (which would probably only happen during interleague if at all).

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 22, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd offer him the league min

and a $5m milestone bonus for reaching 3k career hits.

by Scooby Snacks on Jan 22, 2012 1:30 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I wouldn’t embarrass him with a minimum offer, I mean, look at his numbers. I’d pay him a few million with an incentive or two on top.

Romine!

by david d on Jan 22, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s probably what they would offer him if they did. I’m just not in support signing him.

by Scooby Snacks on Jan 22, 2012 2:00 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I'd probably do 1 year, 3 million with incentives

And then a team option for 2013. I don’t think thats a bad offer considering the lack of interest in Johnny from other teams, and it’s also something the Yankees can probably afford.

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 22, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Is he on pace for 3000 hits for 2012?

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 22, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

No

He needs 277. He’s going to need 2 seasons of 500 PA’s.

Romine!

by david d on Jan 22, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Why not?

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by Kevin L on Jan 22, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Curious about prospects that aren’t big names, but could make it to the MLB this season? Even if they aren’t prospects, like the Pendleton/Sanit/Whelan types?

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by Brandon C. on Jan 22, 2012 2:12 PM EST reply actions  

Jorge Vazquez

Plate discipline leaves much to be desired, but the power display in ’11 was quite impressive.

He killed it in winter ball this year, too. Hit .330/18/60 in 212 ABs.

Whelan could be in line for a spot start if needed, or bullpen duty. Pendleton is less impressive to me. Sanit was released last June, and I’ve not seen or heard of him since. He’s pretty much a non-prospect at this stage.

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by Rob Steingall on Jan 22, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I was using Pendleton/Sanit as examples, not asking about them. I’m asking about players that could make it to the bigs that haven’t had the hype

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by Brandon C. on Jan 22, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Outside of guys we’ve already discussed here (Vazquez, Phelps, Warren, Stoneburner), I’m not sure anyone else comes in and makes much of a splash.

I guess you can make a case for Venditte having an outside shot if he can keep getting hitters out.

The upper minors are a bit thin.

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by Rob Steingall on Jan 22, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Lance Pendleton?

He was DFA’d in September and signed by the Astros.

by long time listener on Jan 22, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by Rob Steingall on Jan 22, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I know? I’m using him as an example of someone that was promoted that wasn’t exactly hyped

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by Brandon C. on Jan 22, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Jesus Montero is, but let’s be serious; he was never going to stick behind the plate and would have been limited with the Yankees.

Over the course of a full season, the difference in value between a full time catcher and a full time DH is about thirty runs of positional value. Pulling some numbers from Baseball-Reference:

By Total Zone Catcher Runs Above Average, the worst catchers in baseball were Jason Varitek, Miguel Olivo, and J.P. Arencibia, all of whom cost 8 runs with their defense. Even if we say that defensive statistics aren’t terribly reliable and we account for the pitch framing idea and all of that, Montero would have to be historically terrible to even approach costing the team thirty runs with his defense.

So, yeah, maybe he wouldn’t have been great, but even as a butcher behind the plate, he’s still much more valuable than as a DH, and you can certainly justify at least giving him some catching time. Thinking that he would be displaced by the likes of Austin Romine has always been ridiculous and I have never seen any way in which this would be a smart thing for the Yankees to do.

This is not to say that they wouldn’t have done it (they probably would have), but that is because of the fetish that people have about catching defense, not because it was the optimal lineup.

by Lord Duggan on Jan 22, 2012 2:37 PM EST reply actions  

I think their are many factors that play a part in the decision of playing him at DH or C. I have no idea where Montero stands as a game caller, manager of a rotation, leader, or any of those intagibles, but they all play a part in the decision for a catcher to be THE catcher.

by cermolaNY2 on Jan 22, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Even if we assume that he is terrible at everything you listed, all of which I would contend has questionable real value, is there any reason to think that 1) Romine is better 2) a 22 year old could not improve in that regard, especially with the massive amount of catchers on the coaching staff?

Think about it this way. After catcher, shortstop is the most important defensive position that is usually reserved for defense-first players. Does anyone think that we would have been better off with a slick fielder like Ramiro Pena instead of a butcher like Jeter all of these years? No, because Jeter easily made up for it with his bat.

by Lord Duggan on Jan 22, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Whether it’s accurate or not I think the Yankees think of characterisitcs such as game caller, manager of a rotation, and leader as major factors in determining who they want their “catcher of the future” to be.

by cermolaNY2 on Jan 23, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

8 runs is ridiculous

failing to stop an 0-2 curveball in the dirt from AJ in the first inning is likely to cost the Yanks 8 runs an inning when Burnette explodes…Yeah he’s a head case but that’s on the catcher too. Poor defensive catchers cost teams 8 runs a week.

by steelerwheeler on Jan 24, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

If it comes down to it, I can't decide if I would prefer Damon or Matsui

It would be awesome to see Matsui retire as a Yankee, and I like him a tiny bit better offensively. His inability to play the field hurts us though, and I’m more concerned about him staying healthy. Damon could probably play the field occasionally though which is an advantage, but at this point he would be a pretty big liability. Although Damon put up slightly better numbers, playing in Oakland definitely didn’t help Matsui.

by Dylan87 on Jan 22, 2012 2:47 PM EST reply actions  

Well this was unexpected

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by Brandon C. on Jan 22, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha that’s fine!

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by Brandon C. on Jan 22, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, love reading about the prospects

This definitely makes me even happier about the trade. Seems like we have a lot of good pitching prospect in the system. I have a feeling we might flip one of them for a bat eventually though.

by Dylan87 on Jan 22, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

So, yeah, maybe he wouldn’t have been great, but even as a butcher behind the plate, he’s still much more valuable than as a DH, and you can certainly justify at least giving him some catching time.

I agree.

I’m of the thinking that Romine will make strides to close the offensive gap, and that his defense (and the predicted decline of Montero’s defensive ability) would have eventually been the reason for him to displace Montero behind the plate.

I also admit my glass is half full on Romine, while others see him as half empty.

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by Rob Steingall on Jan 22, 2012 2:53 PM EST reply actions  

I have a some questions

1. Was Montero’s defense so catastrophically bad that he would’ve been worse than either Posada or Piazza?

2. How do you think Noesi will do as a starter?

3. What could the Yankees do to improve how they handle young pitching prospects?

4. Pancakes or Waffles?

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 22, 2012 3:49 PM EST reply actions  

Answer #4 carefully if you know what’s good for you.

Jesus Montero fangirl

by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 22, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

It's always Pancakes

unless the waffles are made from scratch and never frozen.

Romine!

by david d on Jan 22, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

what you mean

never frozen waffles…haha everyone know waffles always frozen and taste cheap and nasty.

(Yeah pancakes all day every day)

by Yankees199 on Jan 22, 2012 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Waffles

You do know sometimes they’re pretty much made out of pancake mix and cooked on a waffle iron, right?

Romine!

by david d on Jan 22, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

1. Posada and Piazza, while not the best defensive catchers, carved out careers behind the plate. There are many around baseball who think Montero simply can’t stick. That said, we need to see data with him at the major league level before making that judgement. I’m pessimistic, but wouldn’t totally rule out at least giving him a shot.

2. I think Noesi will be a solid innings eater for the Mariners. He has solid enough stuff to stick in the rotation and try to carve out a career.

3. Take off the damn kid gloves! Let these young guys pitch. If a guy reaches his innings “cap” in August, then pull the plug then. I hate seeing the club skip starts and limit innings (Joba, for example). I think it really screwed him up.

4. If I told you, then I’d have to kill you!

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by Rob Steingall on Jan 23, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I like

your answer to 3. I totally agree. Pitch ‘em. If they succeed, keep pitching them until they feel they’ve reached an innings “limit.”

Romine!

by david d on Jan 23, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t buy into the “Verducci Effect”. I’ve always thought it was pure crap.

Good stuff on it over at Deadspin from a few days ago if you want some light reading:

http://deadspin.com/5877565/the-verducci-effect-is-overworked-and-broken-down

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by Rob Steingall on Jan 23, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks a lot

But……I’m still gonna need an answer on the Pancakes or Waffles thing…

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 24, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

answers

1. Yes…Yanks started Jorge Posada in 2010…and Russel Martin couldn’t hit last October…so they must have thought defensively Montero ’11 was <<<< Posada ’10.

2. Showed adequate stuff but he’s young enough to improve it. Pitched really well in winter. I think he’ll stick in Mariners rotation for a season or two.

3. Simple. Trade them all to AAAA franchises like Seattle, KC, Pittsburgh where they can get some starts and not have to worry about a pennant race. Take them back in a few years when they are ready. The NY Yankees can rarely afford to develop more than one starter at a time and if it takes years (Hughes) other guys are screwed. Yes, Nova was developed at the same time as Hughes (while Jaba got the pen)…but several might argue that Yanks got lucky with Nova (sent him to Scranton???) and screwed up Hughes. Dudes like Phelps/Warren are totally stuck in Scranton working on developing apathy and bad habits. Send them both to KC for free cotton candy day at the stadium. That’s fair.

4. Had a Subway sunrise melt today. Bread, eggs, cheese, bacon, ham, turkey. Delicious, yes…No way that thing is less than 200 calories!

by steelerwheeler on Jan 24, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

When I refer to an ace, I’m talking about the top 5%-10% of all starters in the majors. A guy who gets the ball every fifth day and you know he’s going to either get a win or spin a gem.

A good example of legitimate ace and number two starter are Giants Tim Lincecum (ace) and Matt Cain (#2). If you dig deeper than just ERA, you’ll see what I’m talking about.

That’s my opinion, at least.

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by Rob Steingall on Jan 23, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Cito Culver.

What about Cito Culver? How is he coming along? Could he be our shortstop of the future?

by NJGuy on Jan 22, 2012 8:32 PM EST reply actions  

He shows promise

Still unrefined with the bat, but shows good plate discipline and defense. This is a big year for him as he gains some strength and maturity. We’ll get a much better understanding of his offensive upside in the next few years.

A good season in 2012 launches him into organization’s Top 10 prospect discussion.

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by Rob Steingall on Jan 23, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

My two favorite under the radar Yankees prospects right now

Angelo Gumbs and Nik Turley. What are your thoughts on them? I think they will both break out this season.

by cookiedabookie on Jan 23, 2012 11:06 AM EST reply actions  

Gumbs is interesting and has good tools. Need to see how he adjusts to higher levels.

Not a huge fan of Turley. A lot needs to break right for him to reach his ceiling, and he’s a long way away yet. He’s never even thrown more than 100 innings in a season as a pro.

We’re split on this one, but thanks for tossing out these guys. Hopefully for the Yankees, both guys do break out!

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by Rob Steingall on Jan 23, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks everyone

For the comments and discussion on the piece. I really enjoyed doing this, and taking part in the discussion that ensued.

I’m going to keep scanning through to make sure I didn’t miss any questions, and don’t be afraid to give me a shout either here or on my Twitter account if I overlooked something.

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by Rob Steingall on Jan 23, 2012 6:54 PM EST reply actions  

Thank you, Rob!

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by Brandon C. on Jan 23, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

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