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Yankees-Red Sox Rivalry: Less is More

Part of the fun of being a sports fan, especially when you're a fan of such a hated team, is the rivalries with other teams. As a Yankee fan, that usually means Yankees-Red Sox, and Yankees-Mets. The Yankees-Mets rivalry is completely destroyed for one obvious reason. The Mets fucking suck! They will soon be cemented at the basement of the NL East and who knows how long it will take them to get out. Thats not what this post is about though. I just wanted to bash the Mets in bold for fun.

No, this post is about the Yankees-Red Sox rivalry. I'm writing this because Bobby Valentine seems to be taking every chance he gets to bash the Yankees and their fans. I don't care much about Valentine, but its got me thinking about the rivalry between the two teams. Or more so, the lack of the rivalry between the two teams. Because it seems like it's lost all of the fire it used to have.

These teams and their fans have hated each other since the Babe Ruth deal. They've had some truly epic battles and great moments. They've met in the ALCS three times and each of them had their share of great moments. From Aaron Boone to Bucky Dent to David Ortiz to Derek Jeter. But lately, especially the last two years, I've found myself just not really able to get as excited or energized for Yankees-Red Sox as I have in the past. I have a couple theories why...

1. They play each other 18 fucking times every year (everyone knows you can curse in bold)

This has been discussed, but I'll just talk about it again. Now, this was true even in 2003 and 2004 when the rivalry was at its height. But keep in mind, there are other factors. This is just a contributing one. It's also the biggest one. When roughly 1/8th of a 162 game season is against one team, it can get a little boring. ESPN and FOX try to hype these games up so much so often that it has the opposite effect. I lose interest. I still watch the games, get pumped up for a big moment, but thats because I'm a Yankee fan who watches almost every game of the entire season. But Yankees-Red Sox feels similar to Yankees-Blue Jays or Yankees-Orioles. These games used to feel special as a fan in a 162 game season. Now, they feel more like another game than anything else.

2. Red Sox Struggles

Face it (and this is a good thing, I would NOT change this just for a rivalry). The Red Sox aren't that good. They've missed the playoffs two seasons in a row, they have an inconsistent rotation and in many ways the Rays have surpassed them. Obviously, when one team in a rivalry is a 97 win team and the other misses out on the postseason, it could change interest in the rivalry. This is something I'd expect to fix itself though eventually, as early as 2012. The Sox aren't going to stay bad.

3. The Teams Have Changed

This inevitably happens with time. Teams change, personalities change. One of the things that made the rivalry so great was the fact that the teams hated each other so much. When the rivalry was at its height in 2003 and 2004, we had Don Zimmer attacking Pedro Martinez. Pedro throwing at Yankee hitters. Manny Ramirez being the world's biggest prick. Thats all but gone now. Honestly, this isn't something I'd want to change. The brawls and the hatred is intense and all, but I'd kind of rather the rivalry stick to competitive games against two great teams.

Star-divide

Two and three will change, and it's not something that people can change. It just happens. But the first one is, in my opinion, the biggest problem. Adding onto that, the placement of these games by baseball is ridiculous. The number of times the Yankees and Red Sox either start the season against each other or finish it, or both, is ridiculous. Often those are nearly meaningless games, just starting the season or at the end when everything is decided already. And then, 18 times a year is simply preposterous.

The last time I got really excited for Yankees-Red Sox was before that 4 game series in New York in 2009. By coincidence, they hadn't played each other since June, the AL East was a game apart, and the Yankees wanted revenge after an 0-8 start. Obviously we can't dictate the season, but baseball can dictate the schedule. And I think something like this may help.

Cut 18 games to 6-8 a season against each other. Not in April and the end of September either. Maybe time it as one 3-4 game set in Boston at the end of June-early July, and then one 3-4 game set in NY at the end of August-early September. Cutting 10-12 games and placing them both far apart from each other and at times where the race is likely to be close would, in my opinion help make them more premium games. It's much more easy to get excited for that than it is when they play each other every 3 weeks all year on average.

Obviously this wouldn't solve everything. Other things would fall into place, and that isn't something that can be controlled. It just happens. But this is the biggest problem with it, and it can be fixed. If Bud Selig can add a second freaking playoff team and make the All-Star game count to try and add "excitement", then I'm sure he's capable of changing the schedule to add excitement too.

But then again, "excitement" to Bud Selig is in the form of a thin, green hundred dollar bill. And if he needs to make a decision that could cost him some of those, then this has no chance of happening.

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Knew it didn’t sound right.

I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 21, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

3.

I want hatred. I hate Rodriguez and Ortiz conversing happily before games.

Melvin Ingram...

by DCyanks21 on Jan 21, 2012 1:16 PM EST reply actions  

exactly my favortie Red Sox- Yankee momnent was the Zimmer-Pedro fight

i was in Boston watching the game with my uncle (who is a sox fan) and it was one of the most entertaining moments of the rivalry. I’d much rather see a ball at Arods head than arod chatting it with Adrain Gonzalez after a walk

by ncquake24 on Jan 22, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll pass on the increased potential for injury.

by MichaelGGBGrabow on Jan 24, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Six to eight games is way too little. A balanced schedule of 10-12 games against every team would be my preference.

Romine!

by david d on Jan 21, 2012 1:28 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe I cut it too much

I was just throwing a number out there. I picked 6-8 because I like the idea of 2 3-4 game series over the course of a season. I just think there’s too many right now.

I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant

A.J. Burnett's only fan!

by nyyrocks29 on Jan 21, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s definitely too many as of now.

Romine!

by david d on Jan 21, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm starting to love this place

Too many of these games make them boring, and remove any chance that the Yanks could develop a rivalry with a team in the other divisions. Also, it screws over fans that happen to miss out on whatever team’s only visit to their city in a year.

But I bet you all can’t wait for the exciting Yankees-Marlins rivalry that should be forming up with all the new interleague play!

The above comment is not affiliated with the San Francisco Giants, is not based on a secret source of team information, and may contain personal opinion.

"I'll never forget San Francisco and all those beautiful moments."- Andres Torres

by natteringnabob on Jan 21, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

At least the Astros will soon be in the AL so they’ll play the Yankees less!

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by natteringnabob on Jan 24, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

The Yankees & Mets do not have a rivalry

As for the Yankees & Red Sox, seriously balance the goddamn schedule.

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 21, 2012 1:42 PM EST reply actions  

Oh I know

Not anymore. I just wanted an excuse to curse the Mets in bold for no reason at all. It’s been a while since I’ve done that, you know?

I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 21, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Never really...

I guess 2000, but its not a real rivalry. The Mets suck, and that was the one time they competed against us, Bobby V did a bang up job then, lol.

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by Judgegavel on Jan 24, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

“No”

—Bud Selig

by jetanumba2 on Jan 21, 2012 2:59 PM EST reply actions  

“Enjoy three more rounds of playoffs, and baseball on Christmas Eve!”

— also Bud

The above comment is not affiliated with the San Francisco Giants, is not based on a secret source of team information, and may contain personal opinion.

"I'll never forget San Francisco and all those beautiful moments."- Andres Torres

by natteringnabob on Jan 21, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm so sick of Bud

To be honest, I’m not a fan of the NFL and NBA commissioners either, but Bud’s time is done.

I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant

A.J. Burnett's only fan!

by nyyrocks29 on Jan 21, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

i think its because they havent met in the playoffs in years.

he havent played them since the 04 ALCS. its tough to remember bad memories and why you hate the other team when they werent responsible for your heartbreak.

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by nodisrespect on Jan 21, 2012 9:51 PM EST reply actions  

Mean and ugly!

Good post! The Red Sox used to be “mean and ugly”. Now they’re just ugly. LOL. The Boss had a lot to do with the perpetuation of the rivalry also.
The underlying reason for the change in schedule was surely reducing travel time and expense to west coast cities, which I don’t disagree with it. Not thrilled watching our guys playing like zombies after jet lag or having to stay up until 2:00AM to watch them play.

by alouishes on Jan 23, 2012 10:32 AM EST reply actions  

Question for those who support fewer games in the division: Do you really think more west coast and KC/ Minnesota games would be an improvement?

I didn’t think so.

The extra playoff slot should be titled what it is- “The Get Boston Into the Post- Season at All Costs Rule.”

by designatedquitter on Jan 23, 2012 3:28 PM EST reply actions  

More games at Chicago

So I can go watch. That is all.

by waw on Jan 23, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

It would makes those teams a lot more money though.

by MichaelGGBGrabow on Jan 24, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you really think more west coast and KC/ Minnesota games would be an improvement?

Absolutely, yes. 100%.

by Lord Duggan on Jan 24, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

and more wins!

Romine!

by david d on Jan 24, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Really? Please explain. Seriously.

I find it frustrating to have an 8-2 road trip out west and get nothing in the standings because Boston and Tampa Bay are doing the same. I’ve also never really gotten behind A’s, Angels, and Mariner games ending at 1:30 a.m. Some of us have actual jobs. I have to take a kid to school at 7:30.

by designatedquitter on Jan 25, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously? The point is that it's fair

The idea behind balancing the schedule is that so it’s fair for everybody, not just the best teams in each division. Look at the Tigers in the AL Central. They have little to no competition in that division right now and they get to play those teams an insane amount of times. If you want to see who’s the best teams are in the AL or NL each year, then the only logical way to do it is to have a balanced schedule, with each team playing every other team the same amount, so the results aren’t determined by division rivals.

Hahahaha, and as for your reasoning, I’m actually blown away. The reason Boston & Tampa Bay are keeping up with us in the standings is because they are good teams. And do you seriously think that just because you have a kid to take to school at 7:30 means that the west coast teams should cater to your needs and play at 4:30PM? And as for jobs, my job actually pays me more to cover west coast games, so forgive me if I don’t give a shit about your job or your kid!

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 25, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if I tied you up, locked you in a closet and posed as you at work if anyone would notice.

by MichaelGGBGrabow on Jan 25, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know

My nerdish charisma is hard to match.

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 25, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

What’s the difference between them streaking against the West while Boston/Tampa are doing the same and them streaking against the Central? Should they only play the East?

Late starts do suck, but watching/learning about different clubs is more enjoyable for me than seeing the same matchup for the fourth time in three months. Get MLB.tv and watch it the next day…

by MichaelGGBGrabow on Jan 25, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Playing games that a substantial portion of your fan base can't see more often makes sense?

You may or may not have noticed that the NFL, a modestly successful professional football league, does not balance its schedule for ‘fairness.’ Teams play two inteconference games against teams that finished in the same position the previous year- so that the division winner gets the 3 other division winners in the conference. The 4th place team plays only one.

What is the point of geographic divisions and ‘rivalries’ if winning the division doesn’t primarily turn on one’s record in one’s own division? The weakness of the AL Central is not a permanent fact, only a transitory situation. If the Tigers are much the best team because their opponents are weak, how does that argue for Eastern Division teams playing them more often? Playing the 162 game schedule in its present format is generally is sufficient to show us who the better teams are. As I recall, the Tigers managed to beat the Yankees in the playoffs, so their division win was not entirely illusory.

Finally, IGYAR, it was Duggan who opined that he was ‘100% behind’ more out of division games, not you. It’s wonderful that you get paid to cover west coast games, the other 100,000,000 residents of the eastern time zone do not.

by designatedquitter on Jan 25, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

HAHAHA, THE NFL?

Oh yes, the sport that has 18 games a year as oppose to 162 is sooooooo comparable.

LoL, and how is the present format sufficient to show us who the better teams are? How does interleague help determine who the better team in the AL or NL is? Please. Enfuckinglighten me on this! PLEASE! Again, the argument is that it’s fair for everyone, not just the best. The current format is much more geared towards making money more so than fairness or competition. As for the playoffs, The Royals could beat us in a 5 game series given the chance. Anyone can.

Finally, I agree with Duggan’s opinion, and it’s a public forum so I can comment whether you like it or not. I responded because I find the fact that you think that west coast fans, who also have 9-5 jobs, don’t matter laughable. How would those fans be able to make a Yankees/Angels game if it had to start at 4:30PM just to cater to people like you? I mean, are you seriously advocating that the East Coast teams don’t play the West Coast teams because East Coast fans have to get to bed??

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 25, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

The goal of the regular season should be to make the schedule in such a way that at the end of the season, we can reasonably say that the four (or now five) teams that make the playoffs were the four (five) best teams in the league over the course of that season. There are other challenges that are presented, the majority of which are caused by geography, but that should be the crux of any regular season; getting the best X number of teams into the playoffs.

This is fundamentally at odds with the concept of divisions and an unbalanced schedule, and really, the further you arbitrarily divide teams up into groups, the further you get from a balanced and fair system. If anything, it would be much better to have an Eastern and Western Conference, thus reducing a lot of the travel and time issues. But, in the absence of that, I would much prefer that, at the very least, all 14 teams in the AL are playing even schedules.

Last year, for example, it was impossible for the Yankees, Red Sox, and Rays to all make the playoffs, even if those three teams were the best teams in the major leagues. While geography is a challenge for travel and game times, it should absolutely not be a factor in the success or failure of a team.

If West Coast games need to be played an hour earlier when playing an East Coast team or East Coast Games need to be played an hour later when playing a West Coast team, that’s a perfectly acceptable trade off. And if, as you say, every team from the East is mauling the teams from the West and Central, then those teams deserve to have better records and be in the playoffs.

So, instead of doing the best that we can to level the playing field and working around the time zone issues, what the league is doing is actually ruining the rivalries with over-exposure and then trying to solve the divisional problems by just adding Wild Cards. Both of which are terrible ideas that just decrease the odds of the best teams making it deep into the playoffs for the sake of increasingly boring divisional games in an increasingly meaningless regular season.

by Lord Duggan on Jan 25, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you for your reply. It has the virtue of stating a cogent position, which I will address.

Of course baseball is a business. In business it makes sense to open your doors or put on your show when the greatest numbers of patrons are able to patronize it. Using capital letters and putting FBombs into the middle of words does not change that, IGYAR. If it did, I would do it myself.

Duggan’s point, which is valid, is that the teams with the best records should be in the playoffs regardless (or ‘irregardless’ for those who like that word). This is what hockey and basketball do, more or less, by having 16 teams in the playoffs. The drawback is that divisions become rather meaningless. Baseball might as well have two fifteen team leagues with completely balanced scheduling and the top four getting in to the playoffs.

I just don’t agree with this viewpoint. I actually like the idea of having to win your division, strong or weak though it is, to get into the playoffs, and letting the wildcard(s) be a crapshoot. To use the NFL as a comparison again, in 2008 the Patriots went 11-5 and missed the playoffs. Nobody felt bad for them, except their fans, and nobody cried for more playoff spots. This is what I prefer. Duggan is not wrong, we just disagree. I like the unbalanced schedule, detest interleague and the extra wildcard idea, and the notion of playing less interesting (to me) teams than the Red Sox.

by designatedquitter on Jan 26, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Baseball absolutely is a business, and a business that could be helped considerably by the following:

- The best teams making it deep in the playoffs, so that the Championship Series and World Series are played at a high level by the best teams, not flawed 85 win teams riding a wave of a crappy division and a few timely hits.
- Exciting pennant races
- A schedule that enables the maximum number of games to be seen by the maximum number of patrons

Is there any doubt that a World Series between the Phillies and the Yankees would have drawn better ratings than the Rangers/Cardinals? Putting aside the market size and popularity of the teams, they were the best team in each league and would have been a great series from a baseball perspective. All that adding more playoff teams and using a divisional format does is weaken the field and reduce the chance that we get this kind of matchup.

Remember the last College Basketball tournament, where dumb luck and a ridiculously diluted field led to a completely anticlimactic and terrible game between UConn and Butler that no one watched or remembered? I would contend that getting the best teams (and yes, there is absolutely a correlation to the biggest markets) into the World Series is best for both baseball and business.

In my estimation, the best way to make this happen is to keep the number of teams in the playoffs small, abolish the five game series (and I’d love to see it go to nine or eleven games), balance the schedules, and abolish divisions. We’d sacrifice some Yankees-Red Sox games in June, but I think it would more than pay for itself with some really great playoff baseball.

by Lord Duggan on Jan 26, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

OK. Just one historical reminder, though.

Before divisional play, each league was 8, and then 10 teams. Attendance was a fraction of what it is today, or could have been then, and half the teams were realistically eliminated by spring training.

I have no quarrel with longer playoff series, in which the best team (the one with the deeper pitching staff) would win more often, but that would involve shortening the regular season (maybe back to God’s preferred 154 games).

by designatedquitter on Jan 27, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

irregardless

Ugh, I shudder when I hear that.

by MichaelGGBGrabow on Jan 27, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Less is More, but Green means Go.
But then again, “excitement” to Bud Selig is in the form of a thin, green hundred dollar bill. And if he needs to make a decision that could cost him some of those, then this has no chance of happening.

Unfortunately, you speak the truth. Both the Yanks and Sawx get to charge extra for those rivalry games and people will always eat them up and even as annoying as it is for FOX and ESPN to overly hype each game, people inevitably watch the games and boost ratings more than other games. That constant draw is the money. As long as that money flows, those games will be played 18 times a season.

In fact, there is a better chance of MLB increasing the number of rivalry games than there is of balancing and cutting back.
I only wish they could play 3 times. Once in the early part, once mid-season (just before or after the All-Star break) and once in September.

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by Chris Child's Fist on Jan 23, 2012 5:12 PM EST reply actions  

More is better...

Red Sox fan here…(don’t hurt me).

I realize my Sox have not made the playoffs in the past two years, but I don’t think that kills a rivalry. The selling of Babe Ruth starts the definition of the rivalry, in my opinion. That’s WAY too many years to just think the rivalry will just die.

I would rather see the Red Sox and Yankees play more competitive teams. If you take away 10-12 Red Sox/Yankees matchups, what do you replace with? Oakland? You’d rather see the Yankees play the A’s instead? I think not…

by jimjones1968 on Jan 26, 2012 1:11 PM EST reply actions  

I would much rather see them play Oakland because they suck

Why would any team want more games against good teams when they could have more games against bad teams

by jetanumba2 on Jan 26, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

The games become more premium games if they play less

The point of this post was to try and see what would add to this rivalry only- and I think that could be accomplished at least a little bit if they don’t play 12 games in 3 months. Have you seen the 2012 schedule? They don’t play much to start the year, but from July on they play each other 12 TIMES! 12 games in three months. Against one team. Sure, maybe it’ll be fun at first but once we get to the fourth series, it almost feels like a Yankee-Oakland game. Especially if everything is essentially locked up already.

And yes, I’d love the Yankees to play Oakland more. Oakland is a joke, so they win more games and therefore are more likely to win the division. And with this extra Wild Card team now in place, the division has gone from a luxury to absolutely essential.

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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 26, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Now you're making me agree with a Red Sox fan. Do you see what you've done?

Playing inferior teams more often to pad your record is just the coward’s way out. It’s like Top 20 college basketball teams scheduling the Drexel School of Dentistry in their non- conference games. You never know when the schedule is drawn up which games will be important. The Yankees end this coming season with 3 against Boston. The games could be for a playoff spot, the division, or just more spring training training. The same could happen if the games were against Oakland.

by designatedquitter on Jan 26, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

It's meant to balance the schedule

It doesn’t matter if you’re the Yankees or the Orioles. Like Duggan said, having your schedule determined solely based on your geographic location isn’t right. The Blue Jays may be a playoff-level team, but because of the division they’re in they may not make the playoffs for another decade at least.

"I could never wear another uniform. I will always be a Yankee"- Jorge Posada

Thanks for the memories Jorge

by nyyrocks29 on Jan 26, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Even playing Boston, New York, and Tampa Bay 18 times, the Jays still have 108 other chances to win games.

They now have the second wildcard opportunity as well. Also, the same argument applies to teams in the AL Central, which Detroit would apppear to have in a stranglehold for the forseeable future. The other teams in that division have to contend with NY/BOS/TB for the wildcard just like like the Jays. Your argument doesn’t bear close scrutiny. The ‘loaded’ division is a fact of life in every sport- look at the AFC North in football, or the Southwest division in the NBA, or the Central division in the NHL. As I said above, what you’re really arguing for is expanded playoffs, not ‘fairer’ scheduling.

by designatedquitter on Jan 26, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

The point is that a team in the one division shouldn’t have an easier time making the playoffs than a team in another division because the schedule makes their runs unequal.

by MichaelGGBGrabow on Jan 27, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

also, the 2nd Wildcard won't really help the AL East

It’s a pretty good assumption that the Yankees, Red Sox, and the Rays will be playoff worthy teams (at least) with excellent records the next few years. I don’t know the specific details of the Wildcard availability but I seriously doubt the AL would allow 3 playoff teams to come from a single division.

So the Jays certainly have a chance as everyone else does, but on the other hand, they will be playing 3 of the most consistently excellent teams (two of which also have among the very highest payrolls in the entire MLB) in the AL much more often than they play any other team. So the Jays certainly have a more difficult road to travel than teams in other divisions. Same argument goes for the Orioles. The Jays have finished 4th the last 2 seasons in the AL East. They would have been 2nd or 3rd in either the West or Central those same years.
They are probably gonna be 4th again this season as well.

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by Chris Child's Fist on Jan 30, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I, for one,

do not assume the Sux are a playoff team for the next few years. Okay, I’m gonna say it right now; The Sux will not make the playoffs in 2012. There.

Romine!

by david d on Jan 30, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Rivalries are made for the playoffs

The rivalry is cooling off because they haven’t seen each other there in ‘04, and not because they play 18 times. If it was because they play 18 times then every divisional rivalry in baseball would have that same effect. I don’t think that’s true.

by Now Batting on Jan 27, 2012 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

Sure it does, but after watching the teams play almost 20 teams already...

isn’t the playoff matchup even a little bit boring?!?!

Thats the whole point. Playing each other so much waters down the rivalry!!! And you can make an argument that both Bahston and New York will be in the mix for being the best team in the AL (along with Texas and Detroit).
However, Detroit’s main competition was Chicago (79-83) and Cleveland (80-82). Texas had to fend off Anaheim (86-76).
Bahston won 90 games and finished in 3rd place. 3rd place!
Teams in the AL East are simply stronger year to year so given they play each other more often than any other AL Team makes their schedules fundamentally more difficult year to year!

"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire

by Chris Child's Fist on Jan 30, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

What we have here is failure to communicate.

I am not in favor of a second wildcard. It makes my skin crawl, especially if it’s going to be a one game free for all. They might as well just do a coin flip. I merely point out that having the teams meet in the playoffs more often would not (and I refrain from using capital letters here) diminish the rivalry. When these teams meet in the playoffs, there is usually unfinished business between them, whether it’s a beanball war, nasty comments, one team falling apart and getting passed in the standings in September, or whatever. (By ‘one team,’ I mean Boston). NY- Bos playoffs have been intense bordering on homicidal.

The most memorable moments between these two teams in recent memroy have been the playoffs of 2003 and 2004.

If you would prefer that the teams play less often during the season, fine. The question calls for a preference, and there is no right or wrong answer. My point to those who think that the teams play too much is to be careful what wish for- you might get it.

by designatedquitter on Jan 31, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

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Babe-ruth-and-lou-gehrig_small Brandon C.

Writers

Moar_bacon_small Lord Duggan

V5zevr_small WhatwouldJeterdo

Costanza_small I'mGivingYouARaise

Cone_coffeez_small Andrew GM

Newjedi_small Jedi Master A-Rod

T128_small Rob Steingall

Don-mattingly_small William Juliano