Let's Start a Discussion: Dellin Betances
by Frank Campagnola on Jan 19, 2012 12:00 PM EST
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Now that the Yankees' Minor League system is completely lacking an impact Major League bat at the upper levels, and given the depth of the pitching, I have a question that could stir up some interesting discussion.
With the Jesus Montero for Michael Pineda swap, we saw that prospects, whether they are pitchers or batters, seem to have very similar value in the minds of GMs, or, at least in Brian Cashman's and Jack Zduriencik's minds. For what it's worth, in the middle of 2010, Baseball America ranked Montero their number five prospect in baseball, while Pineda ranked as the number 11 prospect.
So, with high upside pitching in the system in the form of Manny Banuelos and Jose Campos, and a lack of a high-upside bat anywhere near the upper levels of the Minor League system, here's the question.
Would you flip Dellin Betances for a similarly ranked hitting prospect, and if so, who would you flip him for? Or, is his upside too much to say no to?
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i heard an interesting trade proposition for him
Betances for Dominic Brown
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
I heard it was Hughes for Brown
by NJ Champ on Jan 19, 2012 12:08 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
As would I
but I wonder if Dominic Brown is really that good. I think he might have soured in the eyes of the Phillies because I read that he’s still going to have to “wow” them to get a starting job out of ST.
Betances for Brown all the way.
I don't know much about Domonic Brown
Could you give me a quick scouting report? I can’t really research it on my own at work.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
by nyyrocks29 on Jan 19, 2012 12:44 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
If he meets his potential, ~20-25, maybe 30, home runs per year, good defense, above average speed. If he figures out how to control his body better (he’s quite tall and a little lanky), the power will most likely improve.
Jesus Montero fangirl
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 19, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
I don't really know much about him either
Amaro just told us that Mayberry and Nix will be the left field platoon unless Domonic Brown really wows them in ST otherwise he goes to AAA
I find it ridiculous that they’re at least not using Brown in the platoon role to ease him in.
They hate him, which is why they should give him to us.
Jesus Montero fangirl
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 19, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
the phillies haven't given him a chance
to play regularly, Brown demolished AAA for two years yet the phillies have only given him irregular at bats for a grand total of 280 PA. Its not right how they’re treating him, he should have been starter last year (but philly doesn’t strike me as the smartest run organization). I’d deal for him in a heart beat.
Amazing how that sounds kinda......familiar.....
"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"
by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 19, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like to see the Yanks...
go after McCutchen… He is about to get up there in salary and we know Pitt does not like to pony up. I would start with Hughes, Betances, and Nunez
McCutchen would cost a lot more than that dude
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
by nyyrocks29 on Jan 19, 2012 12:42 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Stanton for Betances
do it. do it live.
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 19, 2012 12:38 PM EST reply actions
Harper AND Stanton for Betances.
3-way trade. Gogogo.
Marlins and Nationals split Betances
Spends the beginning of the year with the Nats, then switches to the Marlins after the Allstar break
Yes, that is Mike Marra.
by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 19, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on the deal, but yes
The system is incredibly deep in pitching, so I have no problem dealing one away to get a good hitting prospect or two. It’ll help get a more balanced farm system, and if it’s deep and balanced that is definitely a good thing.
I’d want whoever I get back to be at least close to major league ready though. I’d love a quality shortstop prospect since Jeter’s reign will be ending soon, but those are tough to get.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
by nyyrocks29 on Jan 19, 2012 12:41 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
No
For the same reason it did make sense to trade Montero for Pineda, it does not make sense to trade Betances for a similarly ranked hitting prospect.
Pitching is harder to acquire than offense, which makes cheap productive pitchers more valuable than cheap productive hitters
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jan 19, 2012 12:46 PM EST reply actions
You mean, it made no sense for Seattle to trade Pineda for Montero?
Because I’m not sure how to read this otherwise
I didn't like the trade for Seattle
They had the worst offense in the game and Montero obviously helps with that, but to me, if they were serious about trading Pineda they could have gotten a package similar to what San Diego got for Mat Latos, which would have been a lot better.
I’m not saying never trade pitching for offense, but if I’m doing that, I expect an upgrade, either in the level of player or in his proximity to the majors.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jan 19, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed........
I think the Yanks got a great deal with Pineda. If Montero turns out to be a Pujols-type hitter (which is a huge, huge IF) then maybe you could say Seattle got the better end of the deal. All things being equal, if Montero turns out to be a GOOD MLB hitter and Pineda turns out to be a GOOD MLB pitcher, then the Yanks are better off, since good pitching is harder to find.
The Yanks got a guy who at the All-Star break last year looked an ace. He tailed off but he still looks a really good talent. The Mariners got a guy who has hit around .290 throughout his AAA career (pretty much two full seasons) and doesnt really have a defensive position.
I also think Seattle could easily have asked for a lot more than just Montero (I would say Noesi/Campos is a wash). I would imagine Cashman was saying to Seattle “oooh, that is asking a lot” while thinking “where do I sign, give me a pen QUICK!!!!!!!!!”
agreed on your last sentence
I can see Cash going for Felix pretty hard, but then “settling” for a straight up Montero-Pineda trade
For Seattle...
…a team who needs to field a competitive team almost 100% “on the cheap”…it made sense. They’re overflowing with young, cheap pitching. They can’t use it all. They need a young, CHEAP, bat.
Yankees don’t. They don’t need their entire team to have a payroll under 90 million (and the closer to 80, the better).
So while it made sense for Seattle (though I still wonder if they know something the Yanks don’t about Pineada)….not so much for the Yanks.
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Off topic, my apologies, but has anyone seen CC? He’s skinny again.
Jesus Montero fangirl
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 19, 2012 1:11 PM EST reply actions
who took that picture?
It looks like they ambushed him.
by long time listener on Jan 19, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
that shadow behind him is odd
Also, why is there a nearly transparent “Wire Image” sign attached to his chest?
by long time listener on Jan 19, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
That's his Jr. high school picture
Congrats to all who have turned PA into the Yahoo comment boards. New it couldn't last forever. Damn idiots had to go and win the World Series. The dude at the 7 eleven keeps saying fat man in undearwear punch my eye.
by cashman bashman on Jan 19, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Skinny for him
Still huge compared to almost everyone else. And yea, I’m guessing he’ll be back to his normal shape by mid-June at the latest.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
He looks like he's about to be questioned by the police
"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"
by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 19, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
You know what thats all about I'm sure
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
Wow
he even wears his suits ridiculously baggy.
that's why he looks so skinny
Baggy = slimming.
by long time listener on Jan 19, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
Judging by some of the women I see walking in the city, I thought that tight, painted on pants were slimming
"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"
by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 19, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
don't even get me started on inappropriate clothing
Or men, for that matter. I’m not even talking about fashion, just wear something that fits, people.
by long time listener on Jan 19, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
With the Braves having two SS in their system, one in Pastornicky who is probably going to start for them, and the other in Simmons who is a top 10 prospect at SS, I would give them a call. Simmons for Betances interests me, he can grow into the SS role over time. Here is one scouts report on him:
“Andrelton Simmons, Braves: Simmons had about as solid a first full season as you could ask for in 2011, playing at two levels while hitting for average, stealing bases and playing outstanding defense at short. The Curacao native is one of the best defensive shortstops in the game, with a plus arm and range. He has offensive skills as well, with good bat speed and ability to make consistent contact. While Simmons doesn’t strike out, he is a bit of a free swinger and he could tone that down some, along with his basestealing approach. Once that all comes together, starting this season at Double-A Mississippi, he could be a high-level everyday shortstop.”
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 19, 2012 1:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The Braves might be the worst match in the league if the Yankees are looking to trade a pitcher
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jan 19, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, the guy I really want, Profar, is with the team that is probably the worst match in the league for pitching in the Rangers. Although, Nolan might look at Betances and not be able to resist.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 19, 2012 2:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah…I really doubt they’re going to be parting with Profar anytime soon.
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jan 19, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
They already have Elvis and Profar is a bit aways for them. He looks like he will be blue chip but so was Wilmer Flores and as he rose in the system, as many do, he wilted a bit. It’s a risk/reward thing and Betances is right up Nolan’s alley.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 19, 2012 2:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They will put Andrus out by the curb if Profar becomes who they think he will.
Jesus Montero fangirl
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 19, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
That’s a couple of years away and they have two more top SS prospects along with Elvis.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 19, 2012 2:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wait a minute
Elvis ISN’T a free agent right now? Who knew…
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
Right. They have Elvis, so there is no need to rush or trade Profar. If Profar keeps going as he’s going, they will just dump Andrus, not Profar.
Jesus Montero fangirl
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 19, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Like I said, it’s a risk/reward thing. Profar has to show success in AA and AAA. That’s the kind of player I would want for Betances. Don’t want to see an OF prospect. A top left side of the infield prospect is what they need. Betances has a great ceiling and that is where I would set the price for him.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 19, 2012 2:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t think Betances is going to bring back as good a hitting prospect as many may think. Profar would be a no brainer obviously, but we’d definitely have to add another piece or two for Texas to even stay on the phone.
I think you are right and I would add another piece or two for Profar. I just don’t see any point in trading Betances for a middling prospect when in a year he can be someone like Pineda.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 19, 2012 2:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Betances has done exactly nothing to show he can be anything like Pineda
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jan 19, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Pineda moved up fast and hasn’t had the injury issues Betances has but physically their makeup is very similar. Betances last year was just getting his bearings and he did quite well. His fastball is excellent, when he controls it, and he already has what we hope Pineda will develop: a serviceable change up. Read what I said, Betances could be Pineda in a year if he gets control of his fastball. That’s the big question along with staying healthy.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 19, 2012 3:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It’s not growing pains or getting his bearings at higher levels or whatever. He’s always been a walk machine because he can’t control his fastball. And now that guys aren’t fishing for his curve like they did in A-ball, that’s going to be even more obvious.
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jan 19, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
I have no idea how anyone can say his injuries and getting a full year in at the upper levels has nothing to do with Betances development. The only thing holding back Betances from being as good a pitching prospect as anyone out there is his fastball control. That comes with perfecting mechanics, which has been difficult with the starts and stops he has had. He gets that down and controls his fastball his curve becomes twice as dangerous as does his change up. He is just starting to put the time in to get there and if he succeeds he can be as good as Pineda or anyone else. It’s a big if but he showed development as the year went on in last year’s campaign. That gives me hope that with more time to develop his mechanics he can become the picture we’ll hope he will be.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 19, 2012 3:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
His stuff isn't a question mark
But his ability to control his fastball has always been an issue. If he somehow figures it out this year, kudos to him. Great for the Yankees, because his value goes way up.
Yes, the biggest thing holding him back is fastball control. That holds a lot of guys back. If it was easy to develop it, it would be easy to develop a great starting pitcher. But it’s not. Especially when you’re 6’8 like Betances is. It’s natural to be a little doubtful that Betances will ever master control of that fastball.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
Absolutely. And if we didn’t see him develop in Trenton I would be less optimistic. The guy has had a string of bad luck over the past few years staying healthy, he needs to be pitching regularly in order to get his mechanics pitch perfect, especially a guy his size. But, I think it’s nuts to discount what he’s been through over the past few years in relation to his development and where he is today. This year should tell us a ton about what kind of pitcher he is.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 19, 2012 4:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's still a good prospect with ability
They’d be stupid to trade him for a rental or someone who isn’t that good just because they can. Obviously if they can keep him around and allow him to continue to develop, they should.
At the same time, like Frank said in the post this minor league system is now missing an impact bat. The guys who have that rep in the minor leagues like Sanchez or Williams or Bichette are really far away and we have no idea how they’ll turn out. If they can get a good hitting prospect that is major league ready or close to major league ready, Betances should in now way be untouchable either. Depending on the deal and the player obviously.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
It was funny looking at Sickles organizational rankings after the Montero trade. He put Gary Sanchez number one right away. That’s the kind of player they should trade for if they’re going to involve Betances. Preferably a little further along and someone who fits into the left side of the infield. He should specifically be used to fill real, long term needs if he is traded at all.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 19, 2012 4:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well, he had Sanchez at number 2 before the Montero trade, so it’s not like it was some odd jump.
Jesus Montero fangirl
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 19, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
I thought Banuelos was second before the trade.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 19, 2012 4:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No. It was Montero, Sanchez, Banuelos, Betances, Williams.
Jesus Montero fangirl
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 19, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t understand how Williams is so high already.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
Because people wet their pants over his BABIP fueled run through Staten Island.
Jesus Montero fangirl
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 19, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Kinda goes to show how shallow they are in terms of position players…
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jan 19, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
The fact that so many guys who haven’t even cracked Charleston yet are on there is pretty scary.
Jesus Montero fangirl
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 19, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
For the immediate and near future, that is.
Jesus Montero fangirl
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 19, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
high BABIP's
are fairly normal for talented players in the lower levels.
I think that goes to show how important impact bats at the minor league level are. Still, the triple slash numbers he put up in Staten Island as a teenager was very impressive. We will see this year if he is worthy of the ranking. Once again, however, it demonstrates why we should only give up Betances for an impact bat, in my opinion.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 19, 2012 5:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I really don’t know what the Braves would want with a pitcher. They’ve got an army of their own already.
Jesus Montero fangirl
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 19, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Can never have too much pitching and the Braves should have confidence in Yanks prospects with Aroyds moving up for them.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 19, 2012 2:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You can when you have so many that they are going to lose value by being converted into relievers or rotting in the minors.
Jesus Montero fangirl
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 19, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Or being traded for a guy like Andrew McCutchen. The Braves seem to know how to move players pretty well.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 19, 2012 2:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Scouting Report on Profar
“Jurickson Profar, Rangers: It’s always a good sign when a young player gets better as a season progresses. When he does so in his first taste of full-season ball while playing a premium position, you might have something special. That’s what happened for Profar at age 18 in the South Atlantic League. His second-half stats were outstanding, and he finished in the top 10 in the league in on-base plus slugging percentage, never hitting the proverbial wall. A plus defender across the board, Profar is also a very good baserunner and started showing some legitimate extra-base pop at the plate. He’ll move up a level in 2012, and it will be interesting to see how quickly he can advance to provide competition for Elvis Andrus.”
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 19, 2012 2:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't keep up with the minor leagues, but I would assume that this is Derek Jeter's last contract.
I would be inclined to make a deal, whether Bettances is involved or someone else, for a couple of shortstop prospects who would be ready for 2013 or 2014. I think Derek Jeter will give up the shortstop position when they pry it from his cold, dead hands, or I would be urging the acquisition of a minor leaguer who could play 2B/SS/3B and DH. But we already have that player- Nunez.
I think a shortstop would be a better investment than an outfielder, since outfielders are easier to acquire, and the present outfielders can all play all three positions (including Swisher, although I don’t really want him in center).
by designatedquitter on Jan 19, 2012 2:03 PM EST reply actions
I don't understand
why we would trade a hitting prospect for a pitching prospect just to turn about and trade away a pitching prospect because we need a hitting prospect.
Pineda isn't a prospect anymore
He’s a major league starting pitcher.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
Because our hitting prospects are really far away.
Jesus Montero fangirl
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 19, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
That too
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
But do we need one?
I mean, what hitter on our team will be gone in the next couple of years?
Jeter and Alex, like it or not, will probably be here for a while.
I know where I come from, and when you always have in mind where you come from the rest will be easy. I think the rest will be easy.
-- M. Rivera
Do you think we’ll bring back both Grandy and Swisher? Martin will probably be gone pretty soon and most people don’t think Romine is ready to be a major league catcher.
Jesus Montero fangirl
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 19, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Actually I'm starting to think Martin will stick around
Especially if Sanchez doesn’t develop in the way I think we all hope now. They love him and there’s no legitimate immediate replacement. Those rumors about a multi-year deal for him might actually come true.
I think Grandy sticks around. I wouldn’t bet on Swisher after 2012 though.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
I don’t think we desperately need a top tier hitter in our upper farm system. Would it be nice? Obviously, but I think our upper farm system will have some big time bats rise or develop into it in the next 2-3 seasons(which is when we’ll need some ML ready talent). I think Heathcott, Sanchez, Bichette, Williams, Culver, Santana, while they won’t develop into a Montero level hitter(Sanchez probably has the best chance), a few of them can develop into a prospect at the level at which we’ would probably get in return for Betances. So I guess my answer would be no(even though I’m not that high on Betances as a lot of other people). If we could pair him with someone else and get a true top tier hitter than maybe, but Betances alone isn’t going to bring that back.
Nah
With Kuroda, Burnett and Garcia coming off the books that rotation could be pretty thin again soon. Unless Cash thinks he can fleece someone, I wouldn’t bother. Plus Betances screams mid-season bat trade bait.
Well for next year
As it looks right now, the four starters who are guaranteed to be here are CC, Pineda, Burnett, and Nova. Garcia and Kuroda will both likely be gone and Hughes is a FA, so if the Yankees don’t give him a real opportunity he may try and find a team that will.
Thats still four starters though, and then there’s still Phelps and Warren. Banuelos is going nowhere. There’s other prospects in the lower levels. And then they can always find someone on the market as they’ve proven time and time again. I’m not saying they should rush to trade him now if a deal doesn’t come along, but I don’t think the Yankees are going to be thin in the rotation for a while.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
What about him screams “future star”?
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jan 19, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
he throws hard!!!
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
Lance Berkman is pretty good
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
No keep this kid he's special
Id rather just pay Fielder and have our new permanent DH. Make the deal shorter it seems Fielder is running out of time and options so he will take it. With the way Tex has been declining lately giving him a day off and letting A-Rod DH or Jeter would be fine with me. Plus if A-Rod plays like Kobe has been after the same controversial procedure we are in for a good year.
the Yankees are not signing Fielder
They aren’t going to pay $20 million for a DH.
by long time listener on Jan 19, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Fielder isn't happening
Three options I see here is do nothing and rotate the DH among the veterans, make a trade for a DH involving maybe Hughes or Betances, or sign someone like Damon or Matsui. I think the third is the most likely.
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His options would have to be pretty much zero for us to sign him
if they do anything more than 1/$10, I would be disappointed. They need to keep the DH spot open long term
Hell I'd do 1 and 25 million if they could afford it
Fielder’s an absolute beast. For one year, I’d be willing to pay A-Rod money to get him in that lineup.
It’s not happening, but I don’t see how anyone could be against Fielder on a one year deal on the off chance that he has no other alternative.
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True
It would certainly be awesome to have him as the everyday DH and then let the geezers have occasional off days/half days. But I doubt that he would actually take a one-year deal unless every single other team in the ML is not interested.
Yup
And he is Prince Fielder, so teams are going to be interested. Thats why it isn’t happening. But I can fantasize. And make it happen in MLB the show.
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upon further review
I wonder if teams aren’t going to follow the Yankees lead on trading hitters for pitchers. Why get a guy in the minors when you can wait and see if the guy has some success in the majors? I’ve come out against the Montero trade because I think there are too many things that can go wrong when getting a young pitcher, but at least seeing the guy have some success in the big leagues is better than getting a minor-leaguer. So while the idea of trading Betances (or Banuelos, or Campos, or another high-ceiling guy) for a hitter may be tempting, maybe the Yankees have shown teams the way to reduce the risk of getting a young pitcher.
by long time listener on Jan 19, 2012 4:54 PM EST reply actions
Sign Jorge Soler
Thats another thing they can do to add a possible future impact bat.
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I don’t trade him for anyone…
… unless it’s to get a proven All Star #1 starting pitcher.
To trade this guy for a bat seems silly to me.
Unless the team is absolutely convinced they are getting the next Mantle or Joe D. in the deal, I wouldn’t trade this guy for a bat. I think his upside is too great. I think they need to take a chance that this guy will become as great as many think he will. I feel it’s worth the gamble. Good hitters can be had a lot easier than potential #1 or #2 starters can.
But that’s just my opinion. And as most know, my opinion and $1.00 will get you a copy of the USA Today…
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The idea was to pick up prospects, because they are cheap
Not trade cheap young players for older vets. Been there, done that.
No...
..and here’s why.
Look at the FA prices for bats.
Look at the FA prices for pitching.
As the GM, I can go out and “buy” effective bats for a LOT less than I can go out and buy effective pitching. That’s just a fact. Developing those bats in my farm system isn’t QUITE the money saver that developing pitching is.
So you hold on to your top pitching prospects, hoping they pan out, and can keep you under the 189 million “cap” coming in 2014. It’s much more likely you’re going to get a lot more value out of that 10 to 15 million (at least) per year that you’re going to be paying to an “effective” pitcher if you use that same money to fill out your line up, instead.
Lets face it: Seattle COULD have gone out to the FA market and gotten a bat that was at least as effective (and probably more proven) than Montero’s….and it would not have cost all THAT much. The difference is: They didn’t want to pay for it. They needed an effective solution “on the cheap”.
That’s not a problem for the Yanks. Their payroll is limited by the league, not by their attendance and financials (like Seattle’s is). The Yanks can pretty much spend 188.9 million, every year, and make money (probably make MORE profit, actually). If Seattle had offered King Felix, instead of Pineada, the Yanks would have moved mountains and signed a hefty extension as part of the trade, and not batted an eye.
For Seattle, every move is 100% about money.
For the Yanks, every move is 100% about VALUE.
There’s a big difference.
Flawed argument in original question
in 2010 Montero ranked #5 prospect and Pinero #11. Well, since then the Yanks decided Montero couldn’t catch, and Pinero showed MLB he can pitch at that level. Always trade a top young arm for a top young bat…and when you need a starter, trade a top prospect hitter for a top young MLB pitcher. So yes, make the Montero/Pinero trade again, and trade Betances if the right offer comes along (SS, corner OF). BTW, don’t even consider trading ManBan…given his stature he is always going to be undervalued until he throws 200 innings for three or four years, and lefties are more valuable to the Yanks; so you’d never get fair value for him.
by steelerwheeler on Jan 20, 2012 11:39 AM EST reply actions
Betances for Brown
Not impressed with Brown
by Robert Essigman on Jan 21, 2012 2:58 AM EST reply actions
Betances for Stanton
I don’t think the Marlins would do that. Stanton has proven himself to be major league caliber. Betances has not. Marlins would want more.
by Robert Essigman on Jan 21, 2012 3:01 AM EST reply actions
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