New York Yankees News: 1/16/2012
by Lord Duggan on Jan 16, 2012 6:00 AM EST
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Bartolo Colon signs with the A's
After 164 innings of 3.83 FIP and 2.9 fWAR that came completely out of left field*, Colon will take his talents to Oakland. He was a huge part of the Yankees success in 2011, but faded down the stretch after throwing lots of innings on his rebuilt arm. If the A's can get the pitcher that was here in the first half of last season, he should do well.
*Not like that. Bartolo Colon is too fat to play left field.
Newly created DH vacuum
Leading candidates for left handed DH and bench player not named Chris Dickerson: Johnny Damon and Carlos Pena. Pena's ability to play a defensive position gives him an edge in value to the team, but I have a feeling that any added bats are going to be on the cheap.
Hughes the next to go?
Speculation about the Yankees targeting the Royals Billy Butler with a package centered around Phil Hughes. Sounds great to me.
Also, there was a trade. You've probably heard.
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Billy Butler...
I like the idea of Butler in Pinstripes. Just not sure if giving up Hughes is the right way to go about it. I still hold on to hope for Phil to become the pitcher he can be…….
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by donniebaseball23 on Jan 16, 2012 8:41 AM EST reply actions
Butler makes no sense to me.
Yes, he’s a very good hitter, young (25) and under team control through 2015.
But he’s a 1B/DH. We already have Tex (until 2016), Arod (2017) and Jeter (2014).
If the Yankees are going to make another trade, I’d much prefer it be for someone on the left side of the infield. If we add a DH, there are plenty of decent bats available on one year deals.
This team needs to get younger
Let him play DH until Tex has to go. He still has to stay under the league minimum.
donnie is crazy if he thinks Hughes will be the centerpiece. It will be some minor leaguer and possibly with Campos involved.
Butler is a nice player
I don’t really like giving up Hughes for him though. I still do have hope for Hughes in the future, and I’d rather the DH the get, whoever it is, be a guy on a one year deal. And like jscape said above, if they are going to get someone long term I’d rather he play 3B or shortstop, because chances are A-Rod is going to be a full time DH soon.
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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 16, 2012 9:18 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Trading for Billy Butler makes even less sense than slotting Jesus Montero into the DH role. At least with Montero, you could argue (or wish) that he’d catch part of the time, but Butler is strictly a 1B/DH, something the Yankees already have.
I would really hate to see them give up on Phil Hughes as a starter. I have this sinking feeling that if he doesn’t begin the season in the rotation, he’ll never be back there again, at least not for the Yankees.
I don't see how he'll begin the year in the rotation
AJ’s practically a lock if he’s on the team, and even Garcia was supposedly “guaranteed” a spot (though I doubt it). Regardless, if all three of those pitchers are here, or even if the Yankees get rid of one of them, I think it’ll be very difficult for Hughes to make the rotation this year.
Unless of course, they decide to demote Nova instead. I think Nova deserves to be a lock, but you never know and it’s certainly a possibility.
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I said this Friday night, but the Yankees should trade/DFA either Burnett or Garcia and give Hughes the 5th spot with Nova waiting in the wings.
I like Hughes potential over Nova’s ceiling as a #4 starter. You can argue otherwise, but when you’ve pitched ~700 innings with a K/9 round 6, as Nova has, you’re not a top of the rotiation starte.r
If he is in our rotation something has gone wrong and someone should be fired.
Jesus Montero fangirl
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Is AJ better than Freddy? Probably not. Better than Hughes if Hughes is normal? Probably not. Giving him a spot in the rotation would be all kinds of dumb.
Jesus Montero fangirl
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe so, but if he can do whatever he did last year, I’d rather have that than the great unknown of AJ Burnett. AJ’s good may be slightly better than Freddy’s good, but I don’t think Freddy’s bad is as bad. Plus, Freddy can be dropped to the curb at a moments notice.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Do you think Freddy can do what he did last year?
Or do you think AJ will be as bad? Or both?
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I completely agree, but i don’t see how it is more likely he will go away. They aren’t dumping him and I don’t think they’ll pay that much of his contract left.
I’m not saying they will do the right thing, just that they should.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
What is "normal" Hughes?
Because aside from the first 6 weeks of 2010, “normal” Hughes has been an injury prone pitcher without a putaway pitch and a 5+ ERA.
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And I do still have hopes for him too
But I don’t see how he’ll get a spot over AJ OR Garcia.
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I think Hughes is better than AJ, but neither are worth the 5th spot. And that’s coming from someone with little to no hope for Hughes.
Jesus Montero fangirl
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not even going to bother to argue because I'll get blasted
But I’ll say this. Getting him off this team won’t be easy. And if he’s on this team, you’re kidding yourself if you think he won’t be in the rotation.
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You think he will get a spot over Garcia?
I’m pretty sure they said Freddy would have a guaranteed spot on the rotation. I actually do not think he has a spot on the team right now, and that’s not me hating on him.
True, they guaranteed him a spot
But Cashman also said that if AJ is with the team, he’s in the rotation, so that seems like a guaranteed spot for him too. And as dumb or not dumb you may think it is, I think it’s a lot easier for teams to go back on a guarantee like that to someone making 5 million rather than someone making 16 million for 2 more years.
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That was before we acquired two starting pitchers.
He also said Nick Swisher was going to be our first baseman.
They acquired an All-Star MVP candidate though
Where as in this case, AJ’s competition is Phil Hughes and Freddy Garcia. Quite a difference from Nick Swisher (coming off the worst year of his career) against Mark Teixeira.
It’s anybody’s guess. I’m not going to tell you you’re wrong, because you may be right. Moves may be made and we have no idea yet. But I think solely because of salary, AJ will be given a pretty big edge.
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Call me nuts but I still have more faith in AJ than I do in Hughes or Garcia
I also dont see AJ getting traded unless Yanks eat all the money which makes little sense.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
I'm the last person who will call you nuts for confidence in AJ
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Who is in need of that roster spot?
AJ really isnt bad slotted in at 4 or 5 in the rotation. He just isnt a number 2.
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A relief pitcher? A bench player?
Like I said below: he can’t relieve, he can’t go on the disabled list, he can’t go to the minors. The Yankees need every single part of their 25 man roster to be occupied by a functioning player.
He is a functioning player
He is still a better option than Garcia and I see Hughes best value as coming out of the pen. AJ gives you innings, Hughes so far cannot be counted on to give you the same. Garcia is just a few years removed from not being able to keep a job on the Mets.
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LOL you said Mets
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But he's not our fifth starter right now
Like it or not, Freddy is the the safer bet for the rotation. Freddy was injured a few years ago, but last year he was really productive. What they did in 2011>what they did in 2009.
What makes you think Garcia can repeat last year?
And in a big spot, who would you rather see on the mound? AJ has surprisingly been very durable for the Yanks, you dont throw stuff like that away for journeyman(Hi Grandy) pitchers and pitchers like Hughes.
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Because he was good?
And what do you mean big spot? A game against Boston? The playoffs? I’d rather have Freddy in that scenario too.
I haven't felt that a game against Boston as "big" in years
Maybe it’s because they suck and they play 18 times a year, but oh well.
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You would really rather have Freddy pitching in a playoff game? Really!?
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Yes I would
If they are the same pitchers in 2012 that they were in 2011 I would go with Freddy every time.
I thought AJ Pitched a hell of a lot better than Garcia in last years playoffs
I also thought he did a good job the year before until Joe left in too long.
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I disagree
It’s not Freddy’s fault in the sixth inning Jeter committed an error and two weak ass groundballs found holes. I thought Freddy delieverd the best pitching performance from out staff in the ALDS.
I cant agree with that at all
Even Nova was better than Garcia.
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I wouldn't
Many would though. AJ hasn’t exactly inspired confidence in many for a little while.
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It makes sense if he doesn't have a spot on the team.
And he doesn’t. He can’t relieve, can’t go to the minors, isn’t injured, and he is sixth or seventh in the pecking order.
I agree one of the three goes
Im not sure they should get rid of anyone just yet though. Its better to have SP depth, especially with these three fellas. I liked what I saw out of Nova last year but you never know if he will regress like Hughes did last year.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
Like I said before, Garcia’s good may not be as good as AJ’s good, but his bad isn’t as bad if it’s anything like last season. Minimizing the bad is the key.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Im not so sure of that
Garcia had a nice season last year, but in a big spot, I would go with AJ every time. Besides, SP depth is a very good thing to have. You never know who will get injured or be ineffective.
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But someone like AJ can’t really be depth. Is he going to go to the pen as the long man until someone in the rotation gets hurt/sucks? Doubt it. You can’t send him to the minors to keep working every 5 days. You really have no choice but to stick someone who has a good chance at being inferior to the other options in the rotation. I don’t think that’s smart.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
AJ isnt the depth though
Hughes and Garcia are. You cant count on Hughes for more than 5 innings and you cant count on him staying healthy. You dont ditch a 200 inning guy for question marks like Garcia and Hughes. If they can trade AJ without eating money, thats another story.
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How are Garcia and Hughes anymore of a question mark than AJ? All 3 are question marks. You find the one where you can minimize their questions. I’m not very sure that’s AJ.
Jesus Montero fangirl
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Hughes can never stay healthy
And when he does, he is a 5 inning pitcher. Garcia had a nice 11, Im not sure he can do it again in 12.
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This is making me crazy because it’s defending Hughes, who have so little faith in. I just don’t at all see AJ as less of a question mark than him. Yeah, Hughes could suck, but he’s easily expendable if he’s ineffective. AJ is not. They will keep him there until he rots from ineffectiveness.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
AJ is really not a bad option at 4 or 5 though
You typically want a guy at the end of the rotation who can give you innings. He still would be better than what the other teams are throwing out against us in that same spot. Hughes really cant cut it as a starter. he just isnt durable enough. Kerry Wood had great stuff too, but he couldnt stay on the field till he went to the pen.
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Hughes is 25
How do you know he isn’t durable enough? His dead arm isn’t really the same thing Wood went through. Wood had a career threatening injury.
Just by what I see every year out of him
Every year the kid is hurt and when he isnt, its all downhill if he stays in after 5. He nibbles too much and seems gassed by the time the 5th comes. Can he overcome all this? Sure he can but i havent seen anything that says he will.
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Maybe Hughes can’t, I don’t know for sure. The 5th starter just needs to be whoever has the least downside. I don’t think that’s AJ.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
It’s what they’re going to do. Do you believe it’s likely that he’s not in the rotation? He’s making 16 million freaking dollars. And as dumb as it may sound, when teams pay a guy 16 million to start, he’s going to start. It’s what they do.
And maybe it’s because I’m insane and I’m the only one left in the “AJ doesn’t suck” club, but I’d rather have AJ start than Garcia. Garcia may be more consistent, but AJ has more upside and still has the stuff to dominate a game now and again. And as a fifth starter I think I’d rather have that. I’m also a little skeptical that Garcia will repeat 2011.
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And I fully agree that all three of them are question marks. I just want the one with the highest upside as the 5th starter, and I think thats still AJ.
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Highest upside is Hughes.
He’s only 25 years old. We already know what AJ will provide and it’s not good.
I agree he has the highest upside
Not saying much though,lol. Hughes should be a reliever though.
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I was comparing AJ and Garcia
I think Hughes was in the bullpen the moment Cashman picked up the phone and called Seattle.
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A.J. Burnett's only fan!
Well I'm not so convinced Garcia is secure
We’ll see.
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Garcia was an insurance policy
And Im glad they have him because depth is good.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
How do you know he’s willing to be depth? They promised him a spot in the rotation. The word last year was that he was unwilling to work out of the bullpen. What suggests that has changed?
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
How do you know AJ wont accept a role in the pen?
We are all just speculating. Garcia isnt gonna work out of the pen because he doesnt have that kind of stuff.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
And guess what? If Garcia doesn’t repeat 2011, you have Hughes, Warren, Phelps, and a seemingly never ending list of cheap guys you can plug in to find effectiveness. Putting AJ in the rotation and saying “ok, you have this spot” just makes a mess because his contract keeps that spot from being fluid if he sucks. That’s really not the smart way to fill that role.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
It's not likely they get him off the team
And if they don’t get him off the team, what are they going to do with him? The best way to get value out of him is to start him.
But I wouldn’t let the contract dictate what they do after that either, and I think they might. If he’s struggling, then they need to make a change.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
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I like Billy Butler a lot as a hitter...
…and in a vacuum I’d gladly trade a package involving Hughes for him, since the Yankees do not intend to get anything out of Hughes anyway. But he’s an every day player who can only DH and kind of play 1b, and he makes $8MM per year through 2014 with a $12.5 mil option for 2015 . That’s pretty affordable for his production, but he kind of derails the A-Rod to DH plan.
On the other hand, Butler’s contract is team friendly enough that we would be able to make the deal – see how it goes with A-Rod at 3b every day for another year and then re-evaluate at the end of the season since Butler would not be difficult to trade.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jan 16, 2012 10:02 AM EST reply actions
Butler for Hughes or Pena for 2 years at 20 mil?
Which would you choose?
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 16, 2012 10:16 AM EST reply actions
I would take Butler over a horrible contract for Pena...
…but I don’t think Pena could get 2/20 in his wildest dreams.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jan 16, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Pena for 2/20...
…but I’m not the one who has to write the checks :)
Butler for Hughes makes a little more sense. For those who are arguing (and it’s a logical argument) that Butler has no position other than DH, I want to remind you that’s what Montero was going to be. Plus, it’s very possible that Hughes will be relegated to the bullpen anyway.
by Arkansas Yankee on Jan 16, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Neither of those situations are realistic.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 16, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
They are both currently rumored.
It’d be Hughes and more of course. Hughes would be the main piece.
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by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 16, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Not all rumors are realistic.
Even so, I’d love to see a link so I can read this. Thanks.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 16, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
2 lazy
its cool. not impt.
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by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 16, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
nvm. I see it.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 16, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Also, for what it's worth, it doesn't even sound real.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 16, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
What did they call him?
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Did he confirm the multiyear deal at $10million a pop?
That’s what I’m talking about.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 16, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently the Yankees only have $1-2 million available for a DH.
I call BS.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 16, 2012 10:19 AM EST reply actions
Link?
And what’s their current payroll?
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And yea, I doubt it
I’m sure they could probably squeeze out a few million more if the needed to.
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.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/01/yankees-may-have-limited-dh-funds.html
And I don’t know what their payroll is right now.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 16, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Definitely BS lol
They just don’t want to feel pressured to make a move, but I would be very surprised if we didn’t add a bat. It might be via a trade though, and not free agency.
I wouldn't give up on Hughes
Seems premature to cut him loose now, especially for a DH/1B, though this Butler guy sounds legit (Like others have said, we need a DH/3B/SS). Let Phil have a chance to come to camp in shape and focused. Call Damon, he’s proven to be good for chemistry and would likely come over on the cheap to be back with NYY. That is, if the real DH plan is inexpensive and short-term and not Price Fielder or some crazy shit.
Hughes for Kenley Jansen?
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by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 16, 2012 10:39 AM EST reply actions
Hughes for Montero
PULL THE TRIGGER! I’ll even throw in Romine and Russell Martin!
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Paxton, Hultzen and now Noesi
Hughes couldn’t crack the Mariners.
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by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 16, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Ok...
James Paxton has 7 career starts above A ball. Danny Hultzen has 0 professional starts. Neither of those guys will be in the majors before September. Noesi is a guy whose ceiling is a 4 or 5 starter. Hughes would easily make the Mariners rotation.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jan 16, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely not, are you high? Jansen’s a reliever. That’d just be giving Hughes away.
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16.1 K/9
Giving him away?
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by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 16, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
The Yankees already have D-Rob, Soriano, Joba, Wade, and Logan for the bullpen with the loser (or two) of the Hughes/Garcia/Burnett rotation spot derby backing them up. Would Jansen help? Yes, but do you really need another friggin reliever?
The bullpen is not a need, and in your hypothetical trade, they would be sending Hughes away for a bullpen arm. Hence, giving him away.
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Like the Yanks pen.
Jansen is so good, he upgrades even the Yanks pen a lot. I don’t think I’m as high on Hughes as you.
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by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 16, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Hughes should just go to the bullpen and do what Jansen does himself.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 16, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
If he could...
..I think he would. I’m aware he was good in the pen, but he wasn’t Jensen good.
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by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 16, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Hughes was more impressive in 2009 as a reliever than Jansen currently is.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 16, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
You don't think so?
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 16, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Jansen had a higher K/9 and K/BB, lower WHIP
The only difference is that Hughes had more innings, due to 7 starts.
by cookiedabookie on Jan 17, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
I think only the relief numbers should be counted.
We are, after all, discussing Hughes as a reliever. Check the splits, and you will see Hughes was more impressive than Jansen.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 17, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Cash knows Hughes' health, training situation
Hughes has had one full healthy year out of five so far, and I can’t recall if we ever found out exactly why his shoulder was sore or why his velocity dropped so much at times last year (weight? strength? who knows), so I’ll trust the brass to evaluate whether he can stay healthy longterm and still reach his lofty potential. Hughes is still cheap ($2.7 mill this year), and I am a huge fan, so I don’t mind holding on to him and seeing what happens, but Butler has been very consistent over the last few years and is young enough to be a real asset.
So what does this mean for Hughes future?
Yankees arbitration-eligible RHP Phil Hughes (@PhilHughes65) agrees to 1-year contract for $3.2M + PBs
Nothing changes.
Whatever they were planning to do, they are still going to do.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 16, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Is Nick Johnson still availible?????
jk of course
by BernBabyBern51 on Jan 16, 2012 12:13 PM EST reply actions
Hughes For Butler
Have you ever heard damned if you do damned if you don’t! Well if we keep Hughes he will continue to be the prince of potential and if we trade him he will win 20 games somewhere else, kinda like Ian Kennedy did! Still don’t believe that bum Kennedy turned into Arizonas ace and an allstar! However I like getting a 300 young hitter to put in our line up! If we make this trade it will be second guessed for years! Glad I don’t have to make those decisions!
Kennedy
He has nothing left to prove in the NL West. I say promote him to the AL West to see how he does.
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by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 16, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Why would the Royals give up Butler?
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 1:05 PM EST reply actions
Because were the Yankees and we get whoever we want
In all seriousness I cant believe the Royals would make this move. This kid has nice numbers and an affordable deal. Hughes value has to be lower that its ever been right now. If Yanks are really in on Butler, he is gonna cost a lot more than Hughes.
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trade all the pitchers!
Rockies acquire RHP Guillermo Moscoso & LHP Josh Outman from Oakland in exchange for OF Seth Smith.
I never would've never thought that the Royals would be interested in trading Butler.
Only if it were like for Betances or Banuellos. I would do that Hughes deal very quickly. Or maybe we convince KC to take AJ? If only…….
here's a nutballs idea
Package Nova and AJ. That’ll cut payroll (because any team would have to take all of AJ’s contract). Demand a DH or utility type, plus a top position player prospect. The rotation is CC, Pineda, Kuroda, Garcia, Hughes, with Warren and Phelps providing depth. Tell me why it shouldn’t happen.
by long time listener on Jan 16, 2012 1:53 PM EST reply actions
Cause I like Nova?
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Oh
Well then I don’t think anyone is taking on AJ’s full contract.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
I'm flexible on that
But, as we’ve seen, pitchers entering their second year can fetch a premium. If the Yankees will eat half his contract, maybe the combo can bring something back.
The other option is to just trade Nova for the increased haul he’d bring, but that wouldn’t solve the alleged short-term payroll problem.
by long time listener on Jan 16, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
it's Cashdora's box
Once the lid is off, there’s no putting the idea back in the box.
by long time listener on Jan 16, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
In the long run
After last season, unless it’s for another top quality pitcher, I don’t think Nova is going anywhere. Considering how much better he’s been treated over the other pitching prospects like Joba & Hughes, they must think pretty highly of him.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Of course he's not safe
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know that it's because they think highly of him
It’s because he came up and had a lot of success right away. My biggest criticism of the way the Yankees handle young pitchers is that they don’t give guys a chance to struggle. (They demoted Nova even when he didn’t struggle!) If he has a little bit of the sophmore jinx, I’m legitimately afraid of what the Yankees will do with Nova. I’d almost rather sell high (and I’m not a “sell high” person, generally) and get a top position player to round out the lineup.
by long time listener on Jan 16, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Trust me, I understand your reasoning
You’re absolutely right in that they don’t give guys a chance to struggle. That’s why in Waffles’ poll, I gave the nod to Noesi rather than Campos, due to the way we tend to treat young starters. It’s why I’m not getting that attached or all that excited about Man-Ban or Betances or the fact that we got Campos in the first place.
The best we can hope for is that Nova will continue to succeed.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with this
Campos is also still too far away to get excited over, since we gave up someone who was here now for someone who might be ready in a few year. In a system that hates pitchers.
I find it ironic and funny
They regard pitching so very highly, yet treat their prospect pitchers pretty terribly.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
maybe they can flip Campos for some position players
It seems like his stock is pretty high now, too, since some have said he’s might wind up being the biggest piece in the trade. Use that hype to turn him into someone who can contribute every day starting soon.
by long time listener on Jan 16, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Logically
They’d probably move Betances before Campos, seeing as how he seemed to be a key element in the trade to begin with. Betances might be worth some good position players.
I’d love to know what our farm looks like in terms of replacing current positions that will need replacement in the near future.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Most of the good/promising/high ceiling position players are years away from the bigs. Slade Heathcott is our closest real outfield prospect, and he just made Tampa part way through last season, for example.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
How about 3B or SS?
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
For 3rd, my best hope is DBJ, and he might start the season at Charleston. For SS, Cito Culver played with Staten Island last season, so still a ways off himself.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Okay
So there are at least options for those two positions
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
They are so extremely far away that I have a hard time counting on them just yet. A lot of promise, but so many have that when they are at such low levels of the minors.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
It is still a solid farm
Other than DH, Yanks are set for a few years, so its not like they need someone thats ready right now.
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They have a lot of potential arms
but i’m not putting a lot of faith in their future and there’s no position players anywhere near to being a sure thing.
Well, as far as ready to contribute position players goes, it just got shipped to Seattle. The rest of the really promising talent is just a ways off.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
And judging how we treat said pitching depth...
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Well yeah
But in theory it’s kinda good that DBJ is so far away due to the fact that A-Rod isn’t going anywhere for another…..what is it, 5 or 6 years?
As for SS, I honestly think Jose Reyes will be our SS after Jeter retires and the Marlins dump him!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Nah, I think we get Andrus after Profar comes up
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I can announce better than THAT
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
What if I said yes?
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
here's the Baseball America list of top 10 prospects
1. Jesus Montero, c (gone)
2. Manny Banuelos, lhp
3. Dellin Betances, rhp
4. Gary Sanchez, c
5. Mason Williams, of
6. Dante Bichette, 3b
7. Ravel Santana, of
8. Austin Romine, c
9. J.R. Murphy, c/3b
10. Slade Heathcott, of
A we’re catcher-heavy, so maybe they should see if Murphy or Bichette can work at RF. At any rate, who knows how many of those guys will ever see time in the majors?
by long time listener on Jan 16, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Very true
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
To get an idea of where they finished the season last year:
1. Gone
2. Scranton
3. Scranton
4. Charleston
5. Staten Island
6. Staten Island
7. Gulf Coast
8. Scranton
9. Tampa
10. Tampa
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks Waffles
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
so one of our top non-pitcher prospects played at AA last year
The future is not now.
by long time listener on Jan 16, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
my mistake
Charleston is A. So none of them played above A last year.
by long time listener on Jan 16, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
so I was sort of right the first time
At any rate, aside from Romine, there isn’t any near-MLB ready talent. And Romine is about to be plate-blocked by Martin.
by long time listener on Jan 16, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
I dont agree
Who knows if there is guy that can up and contribute? Just because the name isnt on some list doesnt mean these guys are scrubs. Players come out of nowhere sometimes.
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of course, but the Yankees are hardly going to give them a chance. Laird could prove to be a stud, but the Yankees don’t care to find out.
There really hasnt been anywhere to play any of these guys
If Yanks are serious about a budget in the future, we will start seeing some of these guys soon.
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If you can find someone at Scranton who isn’t a pitcher that really impresses/excites you, I’d love to hear who it is. I’d probably extend that to even Trenton.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
I cant, im just saying one of these guys may turn into a surprise
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Hah, I forgot Lyerly. I DO like him, but some of that like comes from the fact that he’s from here, I think. He kinda sucked after his promotion to Trenton (sub .300 OBP), but maybe he just needed more time to adjust to the higher level.
Krum? Meh. That is all.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
which of Krum or Kruml has a future? Everyone was saying one of them during ST but I can’t remember.
I also remember hearing people liked Lyerly but I know nothing about him.
Kruml probably. He’s fast, steals a lot of bases. He also TANKED after he got promoted to Scranton. I mean, he could be like a semi poor man’s Brett Gardner maybe? If everything goes right for him? No power at all, but a really good, fast defender. We’ll see how he does with a full season in Scranton, though.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Is there anyone with a funny name?
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Zoilo Almonte
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
Ooooh, I do like that one!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Romine vs. Martin
At any rate, aside from Romine, there isn’t any near-MLB ready talent. And Romine is about to be plate-blocked by Martin.
I could definitely see them being a lot more flexible about calling Romine to the majors from AAA than they were with Jesus since Girardi loves him some catcher’s defense. Though I do think they acknowledge he’s not even a Cervelli-level hitter yet and needs more work.
"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth
I guess it’s possible that they fast track a couple of these guys, but yeah, it is certainly not now.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
They all are a ways off
I wonder if there is a diamond in the rough. Cano wasn’t exactly at the the top of the list years ago and he broke through.
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you never showed it
Until it was too late.
by long time listener on Jan 16, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Ugh, I’d much much rather have Nova than Hughes. I know Hughes’ value is kind of shit right now, but I have a lot more faith in Nova than I do Phil.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, i've kind of lost any emotional connection to him
he doesn’t do anything for me anymore, so i’d be fine trading him. It seems we keep the ones with high potential that struggle, but get rid of the ones who do well.
Arod being a fulltime DH
All this talk about arod eventually being the fulltime DH has me wondering, how far off is Bichette Jr?
Jeter to 3rd?
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 16, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Thats not going to happen.
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What position's he moving to when he finally comes to the realization that he can no longer competently play SS?
Or when the management finally has enough of it.
Can’t DH Arod AND Jeter.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 16, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
He's never been able to competently play shortstop.
Jeter does what Jeter wants. He will stop playing shortstop and making 17 million a year when he feels like it.
That's cause he's DFJ!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
never going to happen
Jeter will stay as short stop until he retires or has a heart attack. Whichever comes first
I sure hope so.
I wouldn’t if I was a Yankees fan, though.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 16, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Most of us were not happy with his contract last year.
He had no leverage and got everything he wanted. I mean, he can still hit so I guess that’s nice.
For a shortstop, he actually hit pretty well last year.
I think he can do so again this next season.
It's about as bad as Soriano's deal.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 16, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Watch this video.
This was how the negotiations went between Jeter and Cashman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=—qUhjPoiJE
Favorite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddW4e9RP9ek&feature=related
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
"So do Shane Spencer and Luis Sojo"
Dying here,lol.
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I cried the first time I watched that. It’s amazingly accurate.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
I was drinking and almost did a spitake
This is sad and funny at the same time.
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What about that Heels game Saturday
That may be the worst I’ve ever seen from them in 35 years
Romine!
Ugh. We just played like absolute shit. Missed layups, missed free throws, stupid turnovers, Kendall fouling out??? Add that to the guy who couldn’t miss from 3 on their side and it was just a dumpster fire.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty damn funny
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His name was his leverage, the very name the Yankees organization built up
Jeter knew fully well that the Yankees organization was not giving him up after they built him up and put a, and I quote “Derek Jeter Era” section in the Yankees Museum at the stadium. That was his leverage and everything happened exactly like it was going to, except for how public the whole thing got.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Quite frankly
It’s what the Yankees deserve, in my opinion.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Jeter will play SS until his deal ends
If he cant do it any longer due to eroding skills, he will walk away.
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How do you know?
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 16, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Its common sense
Jeter is Yankee royalty, he isnt changing positions. Besides at his age, learning a new position is not a good idea.
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So you think if the Yankees say
“hey, Jetie boy, we don’t think you can handle SS anymore. It’s painful watching slow grounders roll right by you. We still like you, though, and we’ll give you $millions to not be a butcher at SS, but you’ll have to try something new.”
And he’s going to turn it down?
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 16, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Who do you want at SS? Nunez? Pena?
As bad as Jeter;s range is, I’ll still take him over more than half the league. Im not a Jeter guy BTW. Like I said, its just common sense.
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Oh, I don't particularly care.
I’m just wondering how they will solve this logjam waiting to happen at DH.
I’m sure there will be some available SS down the road they can trade or grab off FA.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 16, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Yanks seem to have a budget they are trying to sustain
I dont think they will be in on any FA shortstops until Jeter is retiring. As far as DH, Yanks are going to just rotate guys around to keep em fresh. Jeter and ARod are getting older but they work pretty hard to stay in shape so I think we will be able to get by.
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If our only real worries right now are at the DH postiion
I…..think we’re gonna be just fine!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Ripken switched positions at age 36-37, btw.
And he was a great defensive SS. I guess that would make the transition easier, as a good defender, but I do not believe Jeter with the Yankees is above the level the Ripken was with the Orioles.
Just some thoughts.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 16, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
There's nowhere else for Jeter to go
A-Rod is going to be at 3rd for a while, Cano’s not going anywhere, and the OF is currently packed as well
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
I mean when Arod is the DH.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 16, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Yanks arent like the Rays where each player plays 10 different positions
When ARod is DHing, im sure Yanks will have a guy like Nunez play 3B and vice versa when Jeter is DHing. Its a big reason for having a utility guy.
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I meant when he is the full time DH.
Remember, this started the conversation:
Arod being a fulltime DH
All this talk about arod eventually being the fulltime DH has me wondering, how far off is Bichette Jr?
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 16, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Thats probably two years away
Im sure they will have other options by then.
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By the time A-Rod is ready to be a full time DH
Jeter will have, hopefully, most likely retired by then.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
The Yanks will decide for DJ when he is through
Weve seen it with Bernie and with Posada. If DJ no longer has value to this team, they will put him down.
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Why is this even an issue?
Its not going to happen. Yanks are not going to embarrass Jeter by doing something like this.
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How would this be more embarrassing than what he is currently doing to himself out on the field?
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 16, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
I know all the new age stats will say he is trash
But watching him night after night, other than his range he isnt awful. I dont think he is embarrassing himself out there. Like I said, Im not a Jeter guy, so if he was really awful Id be the first to say it.
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Because if he continues to hit and the Yankees continue to win and make it to the postseason
No one is going to give a shit
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Which is the EXACT. SAME. REASON.
Why I wanted Montero behind the plate for us. Ah well
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
In Yankeeland only players from before are good. Everyone from now is not good enough to get a chance.
Gardner, Hughes, Joba and Nova would disagree
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They did get a chance though
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They get 50/50 chances
It’s either “succeed now or punishment.”
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
They dont get the chances that the Pirates would give em..
..but both were contributors to the 09 team. Ive always felt they bungled Joba but Hughes has always gotten chances from day 1.
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They were contributors in the pen
When they were suppose to be quality starting pitchers. Most eams allow quality starting pitching the chance to grow into the role. A wise man once said, sometimes losing can be as important as winning, because it shows you what you did wrong and perhaps how to work on it.
The Yankees do not tolerate losing. Hughes is now a stone’s throw away from being put back in the pen or traded due to a either a fluke injury or poor physical treatment last year. Joba is never coming out of the pen unless he’s traded to a team and they make him a starter. Noesi has a better chance to be a starter on the Mariners than he ever did with the Yankees.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
True story: someone on Lookout Landing suggested moving Montero to 3rd. Some things never change.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
How long until its decided that with his arm, he should be pitching?
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Butler for Hughes
I would pull the string on this deal in a heartbeat. How long have we heard about Hughes being the next big thing and he had one nice year. Butler can hit for avg/power and would fit nice in that 6th hole behind Tex and in front of Swish. Yes he’s only a DH/1B but so isn’t Pena. Are payroll would go up almost $5mil since Hughes will make $3.2 and Butler $8. To me this is a no brainier.
by alaska57 on Jan 16, 2012 2:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Meant to say our payroll will only go up around $5mil
by alaska57 on Jan 16, 2012 2:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This deal doesn't make a lot of sense
We need a 1-year LH DH stopgap, not a multi-year RH DH (which is why we just gave up Montero).
Trade AJ Burnett for a bag of balls and half his contract, saving $8 million.
Roll that $8 million into the 1-2 quoted about the DH and sign Pena for $2/20 to DH vs. RHP.
Make Hughes & Garcia fight for the 5th SP job.
unrelated to anything (well,maybe not totally unrelated)
Here are the last two tweets from Joanna Garcia (Nick Swisher’s wife):
@JoAnnaLGarcia: Rest in peace Aunt Debbie & Uncle Hector. You are dearly loved and will forever be missed. I love you both so much…
@JoAnnaLGarcia: Justice will be served…
My god. Did someone murder her aunt and uncle?
by long time listener on Jan 16, 2012 2:53 PM EST reply actions
holy shit
That’s exactly what happened. Sad news.
by long time listener on Jan 16, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, that is truly awful.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
I did work in that neighborhood
I was shocked it even happened there, its a gated community. Jeter used to live in that neighborhood too. Didnt know it was her family when I heard about it last week. Awful story.
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Very sad news indeed
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
DH
Any DH decision other than Jorge Vazquez requires dumping Burnett. Personally I would love to see Vazquez get a chance. He lit up ST last year and was never heard from again.
Anybody need a cream pie thrower???
I wouldnt make that deal
How many more relievers do we need? I think Robertson is gonna be Mo’s replacement. Soria looked pretty shaky to me last year too.
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they sure as hell don't need a guy who had the kind of 2011 Soria had
And not at the cost of two starters.
by long time listener on Jan 16, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
If you wouldn't do that deal you are crazy.
They only want us to kick in 5 million on Burnett (each year?). That would be the deal of the century if Cashman did that.
we're getting nothing in return
I don’t like Burnett either, but is he so bad that we’re wiling to pay $5 million, give up a pitcher who still has potential, and get virtually nothing in return? I don’t think so.
by long time listener on Jan 16, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
Soria is making 6 mil next season
I didn’t know that before my comment. So if we ate 5 million next year we would only save 8.7 mil from the trade. So I retract my statement.
what if we take Soria
then trade him to the Angels for Morales or Trumbo? They are still open to picking up a closer
Only team that would take Soriano would give us a Soriano back.
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I'd keep Hughes at least into Spring Training
If he looks good, he should be the 5h starter. If that is the case the Yankees should just eat AJ’s contract and dump him. I could see Hughes having a big year, last year could just be his “dead arm” year after a career high in innings in 2010. Too early to give up on him, and not for Billy Butler.
by upstateNYYFan1984 on Jan 16, 2012 4:09 PM EST reply actions
http://www.pinstripealley.com/2012/1/16/2710180/your-mom-is-a-permalink
Oh really?
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 4:58 PM EST reply actions
son of a
Didn’t even notice that. Duggan got us again.
by long time listener on Jan 16, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
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