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Why I Approve Of The Jesus Montero Trade

The anger directed towards Brian Cashman and the Yankees following the Jesus Montero trade shocks me. I know that this community loves Montero more than any out there, but I always thought that if the right deal came along the community would get past that and approve of such a deal.

The Yankees acquiring Michael Pineda is exactly the deal that Jesus Montero is expendable in.

Let's take a look at what the Yankees managed to do:

-Get the #2 starter for the present and future of the Yankees. Pineda's potential is through the roof, and he has already had success at the major league level. Some were calling Felix Hernandez and Pineda the best 1-2 combo in baseball, so CC Sabathia-Pineda should strike similar fear.

-Keep Manny Banuelos, Dellin Betances, Adam Warren, David Phelps and still acquire a top two starting pitcher. The Yankees pitching depth is now one of their strengths, not their weaknesses. You can argue that the Yankees did not need Pineda, but the argument that Pineda does not extremely help the Yankees is silly. The ability to keep the main prospects AND get one of the top young pitchers in the game is huge.

Not only did the Yankees help the present in those ways, but by acquiring 18 year old Jose Campos, the team helps increase their lower level pitching depth, while only giving Hector Noesi, who became expendable because of Pineda.

The argument against the trade that the "team didn't hit in October it wasn't about pitching," well wasn't the argument against trading Nick Swisher that it was a small sample size? The Yankees lineup will be fine, regardless of if the Yankees sign a new DH.

Jesus Montero is a tough loss, but taking all emotions out of it, the Yankees made a great trade. The rotation of the present and future is set, and that is something to smile about, Yankees fans.

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Why I don't approve of the Jesus trade

cuz Barndon approves of it

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Jan 15, 2012 9:03 AM EST reply actions  

Pineda missed 2009 with a bad arm and we trade Montero for him?

by frankiec on Jan 15, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Because clearly one injury means doom.

"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth

366 Up, 366 Down

by Andrew GM on Jan 15, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly.

winless season on the horizon

Just once I'd like someone to call me "Sir," without adding, "You're making a scene."

by YankeeCarp on Jan 15, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Betance and ManBan had injuries before…Lets trade them before they get hurt again

by lololol on Jan 15, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't like the trade

but I also would say that an injury in 2009 as a negative is not one.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Jan 16, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I totally agree

It’s much easier to find offense today than young starting pitching. I was excited about Momtero but his potential offense can be replaced if needed.

by upstateNYYFan1984 on Jan 15, 2012 9:19 AM EST reply actions  

I think

they had decided for some reason he was worth more to another team than he was to their future, whether because of his defense or a lack of faith in his bat against major-league pitching or a combination thereof. Maybe he has fungus on his shower shoes. He was only blocked by Martin, for crying out loud… if they really wanted him to play in NY he certainly could have.

And there’s something to be said for “sell high”… if he would have struggled early in the season or gotten hurt they’d have no trade at all. So, I get it even though I would have liked to see another homegrown hitter in the lineup. Hope he does well in Seattle and that Pineda rocks the house in NY.

The above comment is not affiliated with the San Francisco Giants, is not based on a secret source of team information, and may contain personal opinion.

"I'll never forget San Francisco and all those beautiful moments."- Andres Torres

by natteringnabob on Jan 15, 2012 9:52 AM EST reply actions  

Stop

This came up all the time during the "can a pitcher win the MVP" debate.

Napoli can contribute everyday. Yes, that is a fact (except he’ll miss at least two days, but that’s nitpicking). But Napoli got 369 at bats last year. That’s 369 times to influence the game.

Pineda pitched 171 innings and faced 696 batters. With 171 innings, he would have faced a minimum of 513 batters (which is impossible). That’s 513 times to influence the game.

So yes, Napoli goes to work everyday, but so what? Pineda has more influence on the game when he does play. Sure Napoli plays defense, so there’s some influence he imparts, but it’s not that much.

by bloppy_ploppy on Jan 15, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

this is a great trade

First of all, Montero had no real position to play. Tex is on first. Montero is a sub-par defensive catcher, a position where you want to have strong defense. And the Yankees need to give A-Rod at bats at DH, something that will only increase in the coming years.

So you’re going to make him a once a week catcher and a DH? Makes no sense. Martin in a horse and the staff loves pitching to him. Plus, the Yanks are STOCKED at catcher in the minors with Romine, Sanchez, JR Murphy and Bird, the last three of whom are all top ten talents. And Romine would start on a lot of major league teams.

The important part is pitching still wins championships. Pineda has top of the rotation stuff. And some scouts think Campos has even more upside. So the Yanks are starting to stack a LOT of top of the rotation YOUNG talent. Bettances. Banuelos, Hughes, Nova, Pineda, and Campos. Plus, there is a LOT of quality talent like Adam Warren, DJ Mitchel, Cote, and Jordan Cote that have middle of the rotation ceilings.

Plus, some of the best talent on the Yankees is actually positional players like Slade Heathcote, Dante Bichette, Raval Santana, and the aforementioned Sanchez.

If Cashman had had this kind of power a decade ago, the Yanks would have two or three more championships. I just hope they don’t saddle him with any more foolish contracts like the one they gave to A-Rod.

Galveston Dave

by jdg4660 on Jan 15, 2012 10:32 AM EST reply actions  

Shame the position players with actual talent are a ways off

by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jan 15, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Your forgetting Mason Williams, Cito Culver, and J. R. Murphy at the lower levels too.

"I want to be a catcher. I love to catch. I like to be a catcher. I like to be in the middle of the game. I mean, it's my position. I want to play my position."-Jesus Montero

by 2xtheBully on Jan 15, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Martin is a horse?

Are we talking about the same Russell Martin that played for the Yankees last year? The man was half dead by May. Defensive catchers are overrated.

by jetanumba2 on Jan 15, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

lol +1

Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.

by goyanks69 on Jan 15, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Defensive catchers are overrated?

Really? How many teams have big hitting catchers?

by Branta on Jan 15, 2012 11:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

That's the real narrative

isn’t it. Pretty silly, huh? I imagine when the Jesus love finally subsides people will start thinking rationally again.

Romine!

by david d on Jan 15, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Tigers, Twins, Rangers, Orioles, Braves, Giants, DBacks, Indians, Reds had a platoon of quality hitting catchers…

by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jan 15, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't disagree with you ore anything

But you kind of supported Branta’s point, you named a total of only 9 of 30 teams.

by Yankees10 on Jan 15, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, which is why it’s kinda nice to have a player that only 1/3 of the league has.

by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jan 15, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

bingo

screw the Jeff Mathis of the world

by jetanumba2 on Jan 15, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

The Twins?

No, not when a .210/.239/.249 (OBP,SLG,OPS) was almost half the platoon, Butera, and the other half, Mauer, posted a .360/.368/.729

Romine!

by david d on Jan 15, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

One season when Mauer’s hurt means he sucks

by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jan 15, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t say he sucks. But that platoon shouldn’t be on this list.

Romine!

by david d on Jan 15, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Mauer’s future position is in questions too because of his piling on of injuries.

by lololol on Jan 15, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

did

the New York Giants have platoon catchers last year? Because you can’t possibly mean the other ones.

The above comment is not affiliated with the San Francisco Giants, is not based on a secret source of team information, and may contain personal opinion.

"I'll never forget San Francisco and all those beautiful moments."- Andres Torres

by natteringnabob on Jan 15, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

the NY football Giants?

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Jan 16, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

The important part is pitching still wins championships.

And people actually think I’m making up this narrative!

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 15, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Pistol whip Verlander and Fister. Still lose the series.

Doomed by aces.

by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jan 15, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Pistol whip Verlander & Fister? Don't kid yourself.

They did well off Fister in Game 1, but after that…

Verlander, Game 3: 8 IP, 4 ER, 6 H, 3 BB, 11 K
Fister, Game 5: 5 IP, 1 ER, 5 H, 2 BB, 4 K

"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth

366 Up, 366 Down

by Andrew GM on Jan 15, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Mediocre Pitchers

First off, safeco is not Yankee Standium, with it’s short porch, which will expose Pineda.
Second, even with the aid of Safeco, Pineda had a LOSING season, while both Hughes and Nova have career WINNING records.
Yes, Pineda has a marginally better era than Nova, and sports a bigger gap with Huges, but again, credit that to Safeco.
Take the blinders off, folks. If you consider Pineda a #2 starter, then Nova and a healthy Hughes are Staff Aces. Add in Garcia and Kuroda, and the tremendous group of prospects already in the system, and you have two logical conclusions.
1) We had no need of Pineda.
2) We traded away Babe Ruth to fill a void that did not exist with an average pitcher.

by Hernan on Jan 15, 2012 10:47 AM EST reply actions  

Dude are you serious?

Babe Ruth? For real?
LMAO! I hope that tirade was a joke.

Ask not what America's team can do for you, but what you can do for America's team.

by HLCJ69 on Jan 15, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he meant "Gabe" Ruth

"Practice does not make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect."

by FrankWhyte on Jan 15, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

or that babe, Ruth, who lived down the street from me when I was a kid.

Romine!

by david d on Jan 15, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he meant Babe Laughenberg

But he’s and ex-quarteback

Ask not what America's team can do for you, but what you can do for America's team.

by HLCJ69 on Jan 15, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Can he hit?

Oh wait, he was a quarterback. He gets hit.

Romine!

by david d on Jan 15, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Great Trade

The NY Yankees can always pick up DH’s. This is the easiest acquistion in baseball. ala Sheffield, Sierra, Justice and etc.
If we pick up a Vlad for 1-2 years I would rather have Pineda and Vlad type combo compared to Hughes and Montero.

Young pitching is extremely difficult to acquire and cashman took the chance.
Pitching Depth with our line-up is agreat recipe for success

by ABMANTLE on Jan 15, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Where is Yankee Standium?

Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.

by goyanks69 on Jan 15, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

My favorite place

Been a season ticket holder for 15 plus years in the old stadium – RF bleachers 8 rows from Paul O
Dont get what is amazing

by ABMANTLE on Jan 15, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Yankee Standium

Contributing writer for Pinstripe Alley.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 15, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Good pitching tames good hitting

While it’s true that our pitching was excellent last year, who expects the same success from those unlikeliest of sources. Going into last season our starting pitching was seen as a weakness. No one and I mean no one expected our starters to perform the way they did.

We caught a genie in a bottle once. To depend on that same lucky formula again is fool hearty. Do we really want to count on the likes of Garcia and friends again? We needed an infusion of young talent. Don’t get blinded by past success. Our rotation was still a weakness.

Ask not what America's team can do for you, but what you can do for America's team.

by HLCJ69 on Jan 15, 2012 11:05 AM EST reply actions  

While it’s true that our pitching was excellent last year, who expects the same success from those unlikeliest of sources. Going into last season our starting pitching was seen as a weakness. No one and I mean no one expected our starters to perform the way they did.

I did!

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 15, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

You predicted a rotation of CC, Colon, Garcia, Nova and AJ with a few starts from Hughes would be 3rd in the AL in ERA?

by ArunK on Jan 15, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

If not Colon/Garcia

then someone else could have been picked up/called up

by jetanumba2 on Jan 15, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I predicted they would win the AL East or at the very least make the Wildcard

And that the Red Sox pitching would collapse due to all their pitching question marks which were addressed by signing Adrian Crawford and adding no depth at all cept for perhaps the overused Aceves.

And I was right!

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 15, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

and oh wait!

they still haven’t addressed a thing! Aaron Cook and Carlos Silva forever.

by jetanumba2 on Jan 15, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

The only reason the Red Sox rotation has been improved

is because John Lackey is unable to pitch next year due to injury

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 15, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

yup.

Clearly only Pineda could save us

by jetanumba2 on Jan 15, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

But I heard

Jesus saves…what gives?

Romine!

by david d on Jan 15, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

He very well might save the Mariners

I really hopes he shines in Safeco and becomes their superstar!

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 15, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah i hope he rakes against everyone

except the yanks

Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.

by goyanks69 on Jan 15, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

We may not have needed Pineda.

Though that doesn’t mean he doesn’t make the Yanks better.

by ArunK on Jan 15, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah, fair enough then.

I didn’t predict the Red Sox collapse but I did think the Yanks would barely edge them out for the East, and the Sox would make the Wild Card. Didn’t quite forsee the level of disfunction in Boston.

by ArunK on Jan 15, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Babe Ruth

You crack me up!
It’s ok for you to to promote Pineda as the second coming of Guidry, Pettite, or even Ford, when the ONLY thing he’s proven is that he knows how to lose. But when I suggest that, small sample size not withstanding, a PROVEN hitter could equate to Ruth, you say I am nuts. Granted, Montero could end up accomplishing absolutely nothing, but if my post helps you rose-bespectacled band waggoners come back down to earth, then I think I have accomplished what I set out to do.

by Hernan on Jan 15, 2012 11:08 AM EST reply actions  

Nova: 8.82 RS (2nd in ML)
Pineda: 5.16 RS (bottom 25 in ML)

That Nova kid’s a fucking winner! TEBOW!

by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jan 15, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

for the love of tebow

no more tebow comparisons with anyone on the yankees please. tebow sucks and nova doesn’t.

Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.

by goyanks69 on Jan 15, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I’m well within my rights to invoke his name to mock the asinine nature of W-L record.

by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jan 15, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

ahhh now i see

i withdraw my request and commend you. i just don’t want to hear that name ever again.

Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.

by goyanks69 on Jan 15, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

good

Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.

by goyanks69 on Jan 15, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

It may turn out

to be a win-win trade. Those are the best kind.

Romine!

by david d on Jan 15, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope so.

I want Montero to be a great. Obviously rooting heavily for Pineda as well now.

by ArunK on Jan 15, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Trade Rumors

I read on Bleacher report – possible trade to KC Hughes for Butler.
I’m sure that was just speculation but I would do that in a heart beat. We can handle the 24 mill Butler contract. I think he would be great in the Yankee Line-up plus can play some 1B to give Tex some rest.

by ABMANTLE on Jan 15, 2012 11:41 AM EST reply actions  

The Royals need Butler

He’s not going anywhere, especially for Hughes

by jetanumba2 on Jan 15, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

bleacher report is a sham

but that would be fantastic. no way we only trade hughes for him – maybe if we threw in one the killer B’s as well

Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.

by goyanks69 on Jan 15, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

On to the DH

Would love to see Pena hit from the left side for us and spell Tex. He’d be a perfect compliment to Jones.

by alouishes on Jan 15, 2012 11:59 AM EST reply actions  

You have fun with that

I’ll take his OBP, have a good day.

"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth

366 Up, 366 Down

by Andrew GM on Jan 15, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

The Big Winnersin this Trade

figures to be Brandon Laird. A-Rod will see 40-50 games as DH, leaving room for a 3B who can play the outfield or 1B in a pinch.

You never know what your history is going to be like until long after you're gone.

by TommyJohn on Jan 15, 2012 12:26 PM EST reply actions  

Martin

Russell Martin was an outstanding defensive catcher last year. Even AJ had trouble getting the ball past him. His desire, hustle, and general all around presence were great for the team. Offensively, he was no slouch either – if he were given more rest, his performance would be even better. Here’s hoping Cervelli gets a start every 5 days in 2012.

by Bob E on Jan 15, 2012 12:33 PM EST reply actions  

Offensively, yes, he was a slouch after April.

"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth

366 Up, 366 Down

by Andrew GM on Jan 15, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

His desire, hustle, and general all around presence were great for the team.

Which, in the long run, really are the most important factors.

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 15, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

It doesn't matter what the stats say

as long as he tries, I have no problem with him.

by jetanumba2 on Jan 15, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

look at that hero

we should give him the MLB Purple Heart Award for heart

by jetanumba2 on Jan 15, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Pedroia says "no."

Just once I'd like someone to call me "Sir," without adding, "You're making a scene."

by YankeeCarp on Jan 15, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Cervelli already did get to start every 5 days

whenever CC was on the mound. Even when Cervelli was out hitting Martin. Every 5 days.

by jetanumba2 on Jan 15, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

One thing to remember.

Montero didn’t show any progress in the minors this year. He finished with a .288/.348/.467 line for Scranton. Sure he had a great September, but you can’t forget how he did his whole year.

Yes, that is Mike Marra.

by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 15, 2012 12:36 PM EST reply actions  

If you’re referring to his defense, then that is true. It doesn’t really matter anymore what he did in AAA last year. Everyone who saw him in the ML said he was ready to hit full-time.

by Scooby Snacks on Jan 15, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

He maintained a steady batting line over 950 PA spanning two seasons. I’d rather see that level of consistency over ridiculous BABIP fueled spikes (ex. people are wetting themselves over Mason Williams).

by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jan 15, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Mason Williams...

lets see where that guy is in a year.

by jetanumba2 on Jan 15, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s a great talent, no question. But you’d think he should be completely untouchable after one, .400 BABIP year in A-Ball the way people talk about him.

by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jan 15, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Meh, they almost have to hold on to him considering they have almost nothing in the way of outfield prospects.

by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jan 15, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

that is also true

if only we could start drafting quality outfielders instead of overslotted infielders.

by jetanumba2 on Jan 15, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

For who? A different pitcher?

Unlike Montero, it would have been Wiliams + Banuelos/Betances + whatever for the trade to be worthwhile. I’m glad we did what we did instead of clearing out our system.

by Yankees10 on Jan 15, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

not anyone specifically

but in a package for someone worthwhile, I wouldn’t miss him. It’s just hypothetical ramblings

by jetanumba2 on Jan 15, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Completely Agree

Great rationale and a good argument. Pineda gives the Yankees a long term #2 pitcher, takes pressure off of Ivan Nova, allows the B’s to remain in the minors and develop further, and puts the Yankees in a situation where they will be paying less for Pineda in 5 years than they are paying this year for AJ Burnett…

by Michael Uhlhorn on Jan 15, 2012 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

You had to mention AJ

and make a feel-good moment feel bad.

Romine!

by david d on Jan 15, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough, haha

I just think that the future is brighter today than it was a couple days ago.

by Michael Uhlhorn on Jan 15, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Montero

Montero is a valuable player. He just made every starting pitcher in the Yankee rotation this side of CC one slot better. For those who lament this, loss, you must ask yourselves one single question. Why have the Yankees been trying to trade Montero for 2 years if he is this superstar waiting to happen? He is not that player. He is a good player now, and will continue to be. But if you can trade 1 good player to rev up 4 slots on your starting staff-you do it. Cashman made a good call. Kuroda’s signing enhanced this trade. Now Pineda can be the 4th starter-maybe 5th even, and ease his way into NY. The young guns for the Yankees are still here, as well as at least 2 more prime catching prospects in the farm system, and a few guys who can play the infield such as Laird and Chavez.. I don’t know how this could have gone much better, unless Campos winds up being a top line pitcher-like some say he will be. Montero is gone, we have 2 new starters, we still have all the other prospects, we have another pitching prospect also to help the farm system. Noesi and Montero could help the M’s soon, but the Yankees are already better, and there is now a staff to match the offense. By the way-AJ Burnett, Joba, and Hughes would not have to throw a single pitch now until they are ready and able. That isn just gravy there. Those guys cost us 10 games last season because they pitched, and most times were simply awful..

by harrill7 on Jan 15, 2012 3:02 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Guess you could turn that around as well

Why were the M’s willing to give up a player they saw for an entire season at the major league level for a player who has less then 50 ML at bats? If a dominate pitcher is tougher to find then elite hitting why would Seattle do this? Plus Seattle added a 2nd player in campos who many feel has better upside then Noesi. Does this mean that the Yanks fleeced the M’s? Or did they feel that Jesus is going to be THAT good?

I understand why the Yankees made the trade as an organization the Yankees have had little success developing starting picture from within lately. Jesus may never be a every day catcher, “only” a DH. I also realize that due to aging
players like Arod, Tex, and Jeter they will need days off from the field and can DH.

It was not the lack of good pitching that hurt the Yanks in the Detroit series. It was Arod hitting .111. Tex hitting .167 (with 1 RBI same amount that Jesus had in the series) Swish .211.

We shall see how Pineda does facing the AL East instead of the AL West. How he does in games that matter after June. How he does playing in NY where they have dozens of beat writers compared to Seattle where they have one.

"Talent is God-given; be humble. Fame is man-given; be grateful. Conceit is self-given; be careful." John Wooden

by 082288 on Jan 15, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Mariners really wanted cost effective bats and have depth at pitching. Similiar to how yanks had depth at catchers

by lololol on Jan 15, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

By the way-AJ Burnett, Joba, and Hughes would not have to throw a single pitch now until they are ready and able. That isn just gravy there. Those guys cost us 10 games last season because they pitched, and most times were simply awful..

Huh? Why is Joba there?

"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth

366 Up, 366 Down

by Andrew GM on Jan 15, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

And how did we come to the conclusion of 10 games?

Jesus Montero fangirl

by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 15, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I have never been so mad about a trade.

Do I stats to back up my opinion? Not really. I just dont like how Pineda faded through out the season. To go along with that, I fricken love Jesus. Hes going to be a stud, and of course, we traded him away.

by DMAC4REAL on Jan 15, 2012 3:13 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Stud?

Why have the Yankees tried to move Montero for so long if he is so good? They see this kid every day, and have dangled him as trade bait for many deals.. The M’s are pitching rich, and even though Pineda did not have a great 2nd half last season his stikeouts per inning and ERA make him worth the risk. Montero simply did not progress in the minors last season, and since he was in the majors for such a short time the pitchers did not have time to get a line on him. I see him as a .285/20 HR/80 RBI guy. That is about like he has done in his career at every stop. When King Felix and Pineda were together they were mentioned as one of the top pitching duos in the AL. Putting him, CC, Nova, and Kuroda make up a very good quartet.

by harrill7 on Jan 15, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Only time will tell

but that is exactly why i disagree with the yankees treatment of this kid so much. They never gave him a solid chance to prove himself, and were set on trading him since he began to develop. I honestly do think hell be a stud.

by DMAC4REAL on Jan 15, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

How good will Montero be?

There is a very, very small possibility that Monetro will turn out to be a Pujols-type smasher. More likely he will be a very good hitter, and sub-standard defensively. That type of production can be found in free agency. Finding staff aces is not as easy. Given the opportunity to make this deal without giving up Banuelos or Bettances, the team had to go for it. Heck, I would have even accepted Montero and Bettances for Pineda, because at least Pineda has shown he can succeed at Major League level, something neither Montero nor Bettances has done.

As Philadelphia showed last year, great pitching does not win Championships. But it can put you in the position to win Championships year after year after year, and eventually you are probably going to win one (or more). We got lucky last year with Garcia and Colon (and to a lesser extent Nova, who will be hard pressed to be as good again). The staff needed a boost. This has been done in a big way.

I loved the potential of Montero. But to me, this was a no-brainer. Great trade for both teams, filling needs.

by PAC1318 on Jan 16, 2012 3:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Why he didn't really fade:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/a-quick-note-on-michael-pinedas-splits/

"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth

366 Up, 366 Down

by Andrew GM on Jan 15, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure if this had been posted yet, if so just ignore it
JimBowdenESPNJIM BOWDEN
Brian Cashman told me last night that Michael Pineda better improve the change-up & develop into a #1 starter or he will have made a mistake

by Riv34 on Jan 15, 2012 4:05 PM EST reply actions  

We’ve been discussing that in the Open Thread, in case you’d like to discuss your opinion of it there.

Jesus Montero fangirl

by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 15, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

We just traded Mickey Mantle and Joe DiMaggio for who? Get outta here. Seriously. And we still got Burnett? But seriously folk if this kid shines in NY there’s going to be some interesting decisions to be made. The Yankees will have Sabathia, Kuroda, Garcia, Nova, Pineda, Hughes, and Burnett contending for the 5 man rotation. With serious looks given to ManBan, Betances, Warren, and Phelps.

But I hope Jesus hits 75 bombs.

by bleedsyankeeblue on Jan 16, 2012 4:05 AM EST reply actions  

having too many healthy starters

is never, ever, ever a problem.

The above comment is not affiliated with the San Francisco Giants, is not based on a secret source of team information, and may contain personal opinion.

"I'll never forget San Francisco and all those beautiful moments."- Andres Torres

by natteringnabob on Jan 16, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

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