Potential DH Candidates For The New York Yankees
by Brandon C. on Jan 15, 2012 12:00 PM EST
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Now that the New York Yankees have traded Jesus Montero, the team has no set DH for the 2012 starting lineup. There are still many free agents remaining, but some would be too large for the Yankees budget.
The first option is to use a combination of the players already on the active roster to fill the DH spot. That means giving Alex Rodriguez a day at DH one day, then giving Derek Jeter the next day at DH, then Nick Swisher a day at DH, and combining that with Andruw Jones once in a while.
Another choice would be to create a competition in camp between Andruw Jones,Justin Maxwell, Brandon Laird, Jorge Vazquez, and any others that impress to win the DH job. This would require no signings or transacations, just putting more faith in players that have not proved they can be every day players.
The Yankees could go outside of the organization, however, as there are many DH's available at the moment.
Potential DH's include:
Carlos Pena- Pena strikes out a ton, but the Yankees have shown interest in Pena in the past. In August the Yankees claimed Pena off waivers from the Chicago Cubs, but Pena did not join the Yankees. The former Cub is known for striking out, but also for getting on base.
Johnny Damon- The former Yankee last played for the Tampa Bay Rays, and his ability to play the outfield is basically zero at this point. Damon boasts some speed and an ability to get on base, but he seems to be declining.
J.D. Drew- One of the better options out there, Drew had an awful season last year with the Boston Red Sox. Accused of not trying his hardest, Drew was often injured and barely played. Still, Drew is an on base machine and has played in the AL East.
Vladimir Guerrero- It's funny, I always wondered if Guerrero would be a Yankee after he started bouncing around teams. This may be his only opportunity to do so, as the Yankees are considering DH's, and Guerrero is considering teams. Guerrero is certainly declining, but his talent is nothing to ignore.
Hideki Matsui- I wish because I love him, but it would make no sense. Matsui has seen his numbers decline each season, yet his numbers are still adequate. If the Yankees signed Matsui it would likely be a fallback option.
Which option do you like best? I would like to see Carlos Pena in Pinstripes, personally.
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We saw what he could do get injured and do nothing in the playoffs the bosox couldn’t wait for that contract to be over with.
by David Jimenez on Jan 15, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
haha he was pretty good for them.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 15, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Does Pena bring THAT much more than Vazquez to the DH spot?!!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 15, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Pena makes the most sense to platoon. He can hit righties very well, he’s just borderline pathetic/helpless against lefties. That’s why we have Andruw. The two are perfect platoon players for this situation.
Pena against righties in 2011: .255/.388/.504, .383 wOBA, 140 wRC+. Just don’t let him play against lefties. That 59 wRC+ against them is just ugly.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 15, 2012 12:04 PM EST reply actions
Yeah the Pena/Jones platoon would work...
…if Pena never bats vs. a lefty and Jones never bats vs. a righty. Pena might want to get paid more than a platoon DH though.
Vlad has the highest upside of this lot, but he also probably wants a decent amount of money, and he might not love the idea of losing at bats when A-Rod, Jeter etc. fill the DH spot.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jan 15, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
That’s why it’s called a platoon. You hide their weaknesses in order to give them opportunities in situations that favor their strengths.
I disagree that Vlad has the highest upside. He was a below league average bat last season, and because he did that strictly as a DH, he basically has zero value.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 15, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Also, either way, the differences in salary on the open market between a platoon DH and a platoon first baseman are not too different.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 15, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
He may think he can get starting 1b money as he did last year
Vlad’s a year removed from a very good season, which is the upside I see, but you’re right, last year he was poor and he may simply be shot.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jan 15, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
"...he may simply be shot..."
Seems extreme. Can’t he simply retire???
Just once I'd like someone to call me "Sir," without adding, "You're making a scene."
But do you think he'd rather DH or play 1b?
Money being equal.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 15, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
first base would give him more value in the future
but the Yankees offer him a chance to win over the Indians
The Rays are also in play.
Come on. We discussed this down the thread earlier, bro.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 15, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
That's as selective as using only 2011 and concluding Damon is Andruw Jones.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 15, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
i'm not being selective
I don’t care where he signs. Sure, the Rays would also give him a chance to win a title. My point was that he would need to make choices and sacrifices where ever he goes. Yankees he would DH but would get a chance at a title, Indians he could increase his value as a first baseman but have a slimmer chance at a title. Maybe the Rays would give him a chance at both. In that event, I don’t really care, honestly.
Can we IP Ban anyone that suggests Prince Fielder?
Please?
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 15, 2012 12:04 PM EST reply actions
I know it has no chance,
But boy do I salivate and get all warm and fuzzy thinkin of Prince takin aim at that porch 80+ times a year. I mean I really wish we could get creative somehow, but hey one can dream. He were here, hed hit over 50 bombs, proly drive in 130+ and also set the record for hamburgers eaten in a single season for taggin along with CC to every fast food joint in town.
The real reason the brewers had to let CC go was because there wasn't enough food in all of Milwaukee to feed both of them
by benderbrodriguez on Jan 15, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This baseball..
There’s enough to feed both those fat bastards. BTW CC I luv u. I’d luv Prince as well if he gave me a championship.
We basically already have him in Andruw Jones.
Damon’s OBP has dropped significantly over the last few years and he doesn’t have a good split against right handed pitching, which is what the team needs right now.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 15, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
This is not even close.
You’re really only using 1 year of data, which is a mistake because it’s such a down year compared to his other recent years.
Regarding his OBP, last year, again, sucked, but it was the only real dip he’s had. It looks like a downward trend only because of the spike his OBP took due to batting .300. His walk rates have been very similar until last season, and his OBPs had been hovering right around his career mark.
I can’t believe you compared him to Andruw Jones.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 15, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, and he's way more likely to succeed in Yankee Stadium than in Detroit (is it Comerica?) or the Trop.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 15, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
I'd take him over anyone but Pena
Pena’s a bigger threat than Johnny right now, but in terms of everything else I’d probably take Damon over anyone else on that list.
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Why wouldn’t I use last year’s data? He’s going into his age 38 season. Nothing about aging curves suggests he should improve. If anything he should only get worse.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 15, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
yeah seriously
when your stats dip and you’re in your upper 30s, you can’t claim with certainty it’s an outlier.
Why would you use only a single season's data to evaluate a player who has been in the league for over a decade?
I’m not saying use his numbers from 10 years ago, but saying he is Andruw Jones because he doesn’t have a good split against righties is laughable because he’s always been above average against them until last season. Same as his OBP. It’s been pretty consistent until last season, aside from that one year spike with the Yankees. Yes, he is aging, but that is a drastic drop in a short period of time. There is nothing suggesting that he is incapable of regressing a little toward his mean. You might be right, but to discount all of the data prior to 2011 is foolish.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 15, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
This is why. Old guys don’t get better. He’s slipping, because he’s old, and that’s quite obvious.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 16, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Moustakas!
OH
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 15, 2012 12:14 PM EST reply actions
Always loved Matsui's swing in Yankee stadium
But as much as it saddens me to say it, we probably shouldn’t sign him. It makes much more sense to sign a player that can contribute at ANY position as a backup. Assuming Prince isn’t a realistic option, I’m fine with a Pena/Jones combo at DH. Honestly, we could do a lot worse than that. Pena hit .255 with 21 home runs, and a .388 OBP against righties last year. Jones hit .286 with 8 home runs and .384 OBP against lefties. Pena’s power numbers would also receiver a boost.
by Dylan87 on Jan 15, 2012 12:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
+1
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 15, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
I think we could get him at a reasonable price
He only batted .225 last season and he tuns 33 in May. The key might be convincing him to take a more limited role here in order to compete for a championship. Other teams might give him a chance to be an every day player.
We could also sign Pena to prevent him to going to a team
in which he can screw us over!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 15, 2012 12:22 PM EST reply actions
Haha, I just remember him killing us
I’m joking, of course
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 15, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously?
Is that why CC broke his hand?
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 15, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
He'd cost too much
At least two, maybe three plates of nachos!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 15, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
too much
I’d be willing to go as high as a plate of nachos and maybe half an order of wings.
by long time listener on Jan 15, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Even that might be pushing it
Especially if they want drinks
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 15, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing higher than Sprite
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 15, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
I hear he wants diet cola
This might not work out.
by long time listener on Jan 15, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Diet?
Unacceptable! No deal!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 15, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
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Bartolo Colon informed the #dbacks that he is going another direction, passing on their offer #mlb
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 15, 2012 12:22 PM EST reply actions
I just thought
“going another direction” meant he was going to eat more
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 15, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
He was going to do that anyway.
"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth
The D-Backs might have wanted him to lose weight
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 15, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
easy there
Pena has spent 5 out of 11 seasons in the AL East and 100 out of 11 in the AL. He’s not a .200 hitter. Close, but not really
by bloppy_ploppy on Jan 15, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
YES
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Good luck getting Pena on a cheap deal.
If he’s available on the cheap, he’ll probably choose to go to the Indians or Rays to play 1b rather than DH for the Yankees.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 15, 2012 12:45 PM EST reply actions
Just saying.
Yankees will probably have to overpay a little. It’s not like you could even entice him with the possibility of a championship with the Rays in play.
Are we allowed to curse on this site now? I thought someone got warned for that before?
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 15, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Don't the mods?
I’m just looking for clarification.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 15, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
No need for what?
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 15, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I don't really care one way or the other
I’m just wondering what the mods’ takes are on it, or if there’s a rule. On the initial freak out Montero trade thread, it seemed like there was a rule that was being relaxed to let people express their grief over the loss of a loved one, but it seems to still be happening.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 15, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Are you a mod?
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 15, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Doubt it.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 15, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
I am!
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So what's the deal with the cursing?
Allowed?
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 15, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Not excessively.
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Okie dokie, artichokie.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 15, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Aw, look at you.
Sounding all proud and what not.
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I think we’re getting a reprieve for the next few days so get it all out of your system while you can
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 15, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
no need for fucks given...
sorry. we’re pretty easygoing here, as i thought you’d figured out by now… :-) especially in the aftermath of the jesus business…
by sing_or_die_1818 on Jan 16, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
we should
trade hughes for Montero
/troll…..
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Pena's the best on that list
But Pena also will probably cost more than the rest and I’m not sure they’d be willing to spend. After him, I’d probably go with Damon and he’d be cheaper.
We’ll see. I love Johnny Damon and I think it would be really cool to have him back, but I’d try really hard to get Pena first and platoon him with Jones at DH before even trying for Damon. If Pena wants too much or signs elsewhere, then look at the other options.
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What did Pena’s last contract look like?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 15, 2012 1:19 PM EST reply actions
$10/1
I think.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 15, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
in millions of dollars
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 15, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Indians would probably be the only team to do that.
Good luck to them if they do so. Seems pointless to spend millions on a 1b like Pena when they’re not in a position to compete anywhere in the foreseeable future. They should either sign Fielder and TRY to compete if they want to spend money or roll with one of their major league min guys, imo.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 15, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Probably a group of papers with signature lines and numbers and letters!
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by Brandon C. on Jan 15, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
well played
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by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 16, 2012 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
for one third of the year?
No thanks.
by long time listener on Jan 15, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
2/3
Suspension reduced to 50 games since he sat out last season, I thought.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 15, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
I hadn't heard that
If true, that would make it 50% less bad, but still not that great.
by long time listener on Jan 15, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Why?
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dont want Drew because he sucks. I either want Vlad or Pena…after the Yankees sign a DH, they’ll probably sign a RP
by yankeesfan1325* on Jan 15, 2012 1:36 PM EST reply actions
Why do we need more relievers? Logan, Joba, Wade, Soriano, D-Rob, Rivera, whoever loses the competition for 5th starter, all the minor leaguers ever.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 15, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Cordero, Ayala, Durbin, Lidge, Mitre, Qualls, Wheler, Gonzalez and Rhodes are all still without homes!
I just ate lunch, don’t talk to me about Ayala and Mitre.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 15, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
DH
I like the idea of Pena if we can get him on a 1 year deal. His power will play well in the Stadium and if Kevin Long can do half of what he did with Curtis Granderson for Pena, he could be a steal.
I don’t want Drew either. Former Red Sox with questionable heart. I’ll pass.
I don't want Drew, but not because of his questionable heart
He was a former Boston Red Sox player. There’s no way that his heart isn’t bigger than every player on the Yankees combined. HE PLAYED WITH PEDROIA!
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Some additional options...
1. Derek Lee: Finished strong w/ Pittsburgh, unfortunately RH, but can still hit and spell tex at first occasionally.
2. Raul Ibanez: Left-Handed and has played some 1B in the past. Can platoon with Andruw Jones.
3. Brad Hawpe: See above.
4. Eric Chavez: Could still bring him back and rotate him through the DH spot with everyone else.
6. Wilson Betemit: I don’t want him, but not many 3B options available that could also hit decently enough to get some DH ABs.
Chavez can take his sub 100 wRC+ somewhere that isn't in the Yankees lineup
And thats when he plays.
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do you remember that one time
someone thought Chavez had just been called up from the Yankee system as a rookie?
I can forgive someone for forgetting that Chavez is a veteran
He’s played so rarely I can see forgetting about him.
by long time listener on Jan 15, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
What about the Cuban who just defected?
I hear he’s a masher and not a fielder…
might be too expensive
Unless the Yankees are certain to let Swisher go after next year and Cepedes can play RF.
by long time listener on Jan 15, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Which Cuban? That one guy or the other guy?
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jan 15, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Manny all the way
Lets take a look at Manny, Invite him to camp and see what he has, it would be a great bat in our lineup.
Yoenis Cespedes
We’ll room him with Contreras to ease the transition..
In winter ball, he hasn’t even hit a ball to the outfield and has been utterly clowned. No thanks.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 15, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
thanks Ploppy
We don’t need any of the above mentioned, we have enough DH already is Joe is smart, we need a good 3rb and ss backup, any Manny as dh when the other don;t want to be Dh’s love u ploppy
Wilson Betemit
Right mix of offense, cost, and position flexibility.
1. Can play 3B (not well, but better than Nunez).
2. Hit .300 against RHP last year, good for a 128 wRC+.
3. Knows that he’s a platoon player; not going to get a multi-year deal somewhere else and will probably cost “only” $6-8 million.
Why not Jorge while we're at it!
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by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 16, 2012 1:56 AM EST up reply actions
Young
Dimitri Young is looking to get back in the league. It’d probably only take a nri.
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I’d have to say I’m more partial to inviting a few veterans to camp to compete with Jones/Vazquez/Laird/Maxwell.
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Carlos Pena, AKA the hispanic Rob Deer no thanks...
I’d take Vlad cheap, or even a Jones/Drew platoon.
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Damon
I like Johnny! But we’d have to put Gardner in center, if Damon plays the outfield,so Gardner could run over and throw the ball in for him.
Seriously, Johnny is only 150 hits short of 3000. So from a “put people in the seats” point of view it would make a lot of sense.
I dont think they would be bringing in Damon to play any OF
Strictly DH
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We don’t need his baby dino arm anywhere near the outfield.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 15, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
He'd do nothing more than to spot Gardner or Granderson for a day
God knows how many additional runs other teams would score if he is in left field or worse, center field for any significant stretch of time.
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277 away, to be exact
I, for one, don’t want to see him reach that milestone in pinstripes, as I can’t stomach him signed again, let alone for a two-year deal.
I say go with Vlad, who still hit .290 last year with nearly as many RBI as Damon and had less strikeouts, if Pena won’t accept a modest offer. Always wanted to see Vlad in pinstripes.
by brother_rat on Jan 16, 2012 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
no to any full-time dh
i don’t want anyone on this roster that is strictly a dh (now that montero is gone). pena strikes out way too much, hideki and vlad are old and have bad knees, and damon can’t play the outfield. promote from within, and rotate a-rod, jeter, and swish to get extra days off.
Damon
He has experience as a DH (not all players transition to that role well), would be a good LH platoon with Jones.
Matsui on a minor league deal would be good. Same with Drew.
Pena will be too expensive for a part-time DH role.
no thank you to Vladdy at this point, too old and on wrong side of platoon.
why not just bring back the gambino, or tino….or o’neil while were at it ? maybe jorge wants another year? time to move on from the past.
Its not about nostalgia, its about fit
For the price and the amount of ABs available, Damon is the perfect fit. I honestly think Pena would rather go back to Tampa and be an everyday 1B.
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by YankeesJets on Jan 16, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
Pena is the best fit for the role
But at the cost he probably isn’t. Especially if there are teams that would give him a multi year deal.
Surprisingly enough, Damon actually would be a pretty good fit, though he hit lefties better than righties last year…
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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 16, 2012 9:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hip Hip Jorge?
Technically he’s still an option. He hasn’t officially announced his retirement. Dude can give Robbie some dh days.
Jorge finished the end of the year & the postseason with dignity!
Let the man retire in peace!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 15, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
Can't do that
Him playing 2nd base gave me too much laughter. I long to feel that joy once again.
interesting story on MLB Network
They’re showing their special about the 1986 post-season. Apparently, after Game 7 got postponed by rain, John McNamara switched his Game 7 starter from Oil Can Boyd to Bruce Hurst on three days’ rest. Boyd — who was going to be the long man — was so upset that he went out and got so wasted that he couldn’t pitch at all.
by long time listener on Jan 15, 2012 10:30 PM EST reply actions
Damn drunkards!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 15, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
I'll drink my face off any day
But not if, you know, I might have to pitch in the World Series. That goes beyond alcoholism to sheer insanity.
by long time listener on Jan 15, 2012 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
It’s kinda important. It’s something you’d like to try to get a good night’s sleep for!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 15, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
and there's a long history of players drinking too much
Babe Ruth and Mickey Mantle were surely guilty of that. But even those guys knew to sober up for the World Series. Dock Ellis pitched a no-hitter on acid, but at least he didn’t know he was going to pitch. You’ve got to know in a Game 7 it’s all hands on deck, and there’s a chance you’ll contribute, no matter how upset you are about getting passed over.
by long time listener on Jan 15, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
Or you could just drink yourself into a blind stupor due to anger issues
And crap out on your team. Again, that option is on the table.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
the dock ellis story is so wonderful...
you ever checked out the funky little youtube short film?
by sing_or_die_1818 on Jan 16, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
Heard about that before.
It was the right decision, Hurst was pitching tremendously. Oil Can was just an ass.
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"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth
El freakin Chato
Give the ‘kid’ a shot fer crying out loud!
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What about
Billy Butler, as in a BB for Phil Hughes swap? It all depends on what Hughes is: SP or RP.
by Travis G on Jan 16, 2012 12:00 AM EST via mobile reply actions
not the worst idea ever
Doesn’t seem like a bad hitter at all. And think of the Sterling’s home run call: “It is … GONE! Oh, the Butler did it!”
by long time listener on Jan 16, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
Well now I want him solely for that HR call
That might be too clever for Sterling though
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
Like all the cool Jesus puns he could have come up with and picked “Jesus is loose”.
Jesus Montero fangirl
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
hard to use the really good Jesus jokes
“Oh, the Yankee run total has risen! Jesus has saved the Yankees from the sin of not scoring runs!” is probably too hot for WCBS.
by long time listener on Jan 16, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
Perhaps, but anything at all has to be better than what he actually came up with.
Jesus Montero fangirl
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
I'm kinda glad Gardner doesn't hit a lot of HR's
So I don’t have to hear Gardy goes Yardy
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
But Grandy does, and ughhhh.
Jesus Montero fangirl
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 16, 2012 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Yeaaaaaaaaah
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
Sterling’s call for Martin homers is pretty awful as well.
Fitting?
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"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth
It's really the French part that makes it unbearable
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
now I'm regretting that it won't happen
by long time listener on Jan 16, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
You've gone and cleverly depressed yourself
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
Same here
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
KC would never make that deal
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by YankeesJets on Jan 16, 2012 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
Hughes doesn't have enough value to get Butler.
We’d have to throw in a lot more.
by Briceratops on Jan 16, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
How about Cantos?
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
I meant to type Campos!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
That guy sucks because he was in the Montero trade.
by Briceratops on Jan 16, 2012 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
Away with him then!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 16, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
My take on the DH position
As I have said to many people, there are a few choices that I think the Yankees could explore.
In regards to Carlos Pena, yes he hits HR’s but I dont think that we need another 25+ a year hr hitter who continues to hit .225 and strikes out a ton, if thats the case we should sign Russel Branyan who basically does the same thing but gets no love from anyone he signs up to play for. I like the idea of Vlad, but this is the case of another declining player looking for one more year in the sun, in my opinion, he should have stuck around in Texas, and Matsui? I love him because of what he means to the Yankees, but sorry there’s better guys out there than him…
I like the idea of Damon coming back especially because he would come cheap and it would mean that he would be the primary DH, then subbed out for the occasional day off with Tex, Arod, Jeter & Swisher. Plus regardless if he is on the decline, he still has some speed and his swing is meant for Yankee stadium. However, there is also yet another avenue the Yankees should explore, and that is from within, I am primarily talking about Jorge Vasquez, in my opinion he deserves a chance at least in spring training/April, look at what he accomplished in AAA as the 1st baseman. If Tex wasnt playing 1st for us, we would have seen him and this guy has good stuff, he would cost the Yanks nearly nothing and if it does not work out then we bring in someone who could fill in that role….not a terrible idea I think.
lol
Carlos Pena has a walk rate around 16% and hits around 30 home runs a year but because of his batting average and strikeouts he wouldn’t work out? I would love his 140 wRC+ against righties as our DH, I’m just not sure he would accept our offer.
by Briceratops on Jan 16, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
The same Russell Branyan whose already limited game went to shit this year?
He was cut by the Angels in mid-May and only hit 5 homers all year.
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"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth
if you're going to talk walk rates and stats
Then why not go after J.D. Drew? Since he walks almost nearly the same amount and boasts a high slugging pct. (except for this past season)
except for this past season
That’s why. I’m not confident in the 36 year old’s ability to bounce back.
I agree: he won't - way, way past his prime
I was up in Boston the last 4 years, and by all accounts he ended his contract as a huge disappointment with skills that completed their fall off a cliff last year: played less than half the games, hit weakly, struck out a bunch, can’t run, always injured, etc. Of course I loved that he helped sink the Sox lineup, but I don’t want him to be our albatross.
He has a better arm than Damon, but then again so does my mother.
DH
When one is considering Matsui, remember that he was hitting in a pitcher’s park last year. He would be better in Yankee Stadium if he has anything left. To a lesser extent, this is true of Damon as well. Vasquez might do well at home; he should get a look in spring training. And we should not necessarily forget Nunez — he is unlikely to hit many home runs, but he has a quick bat and should have gap power, speed and average. I like his offense better than his defense, perhaps because he has never settled in one position. Russell Martin can use rest too, with Cervelli and Romine competing for backup catcher.
Someone at another site mentioned Carlos Lee for AJ Burnett
Don’t think Lee would accept the deal, given he lives in TX and runs a cattle ranch. But the money could work if the Yankees take on $7-8 million in year two of AJ’s contract.
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