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What About Jose Campos?

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He's kind of the forgotten man in the Montero-Pineda blockbuster. But from most reports about the young righty (a top 10 Seattle farm hand), it sounds like he could be an elite pitching prospect very soon.

We'll start by looking at his pro stats. You can see that his career began extremely early; he was pitching in the Venezuelan Summer League (he hails from La Guaira, VE, by the way) at 16. He struggled, primarily with control, walking 16 batters in 33 innings while allowing more than a hit per inning. He improved enough the next season (57 IP, 3.16 ERA, 19 BB, 59 K) for Seattle to promote him all the way to full-season ball this year (skipping two levels). It was well deserved, especially considering the 18-year-old led the Low-A Northwest League in ERA and strikeouts (with an awesome 6.5 K/BB), impressive for such a young age.

Throw in the scouting report, and you can understand why Jose Campos is so highly thought of. First off, he's tall: 6'4", 195 lbs. If he fills that out, it'll be a perfect pitcher's body. His fastball sits in the low to mid 90s and has approached triple digits. His curveball and changeup, right now, still need work, but that's to be expected for a teenager -

For a youngster, he has [an] advanced feel for pitching off his fastball and locating it. His heater has deception, angle and life. Just a thrower when he got to Everett [Washington] last summer, he grew as a pitcher. His hard curveball and his changeup show flashes of becoming plus pitches. They lack consistency but improved as he cleaned up his delivery...

Expect him to start the year at Hi-A Tampa.

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And other thoughts on the deal:

  • I'm actually surprised Seattle made the deal. They looked to be set up with a dynamic 1-2 at the front of their rotation for the next decade. Yes, they needed offense... but Prince Fielder was out there.
  • I know they have a few more excellent pitching prospects on the way, but remember when Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain were just that? Pineda has proven he's a big leaguer.
  • Jon Heyman said the Yanks offered Montero, Manny Banuelos and Dellin Betances for Felix. Considering Felix is owed almost $60M over the next three years, I'm surprised Seattle didn't make that deal.
  • The M's must think Montero can passably play catcher, a sentiment the Yanks apparently did not share. Considering Girardi's penchant for defense-first catchers, Montero may not have gotten many catching opportunities in New York anyway.
  • Considering what was required to land Mat Latos and Gio Gonzalez, and that Brian Cashman offered to trade Montero, Ivan Nova and David Adams for half a season of Cliff Lee 18 months ago, this is a steal. Pineda is nine years younger than Lee was and won't be a free agent until 2017 - oh, and Nova's not involved.
  • Cashman sold high on Montero. He's not going to OPS 1.000 over 500+ AB in 2012. He could in a few years, but not yet. Did Seattle sell high on Pineda?
  • Unfortunately, the burdensome position player contracts the Yanks have handed out recently (A-Rod, Tex) contributed to Montero's departure. Management just felt like they had little to no flexibility in the lineup. Now the older guys can sub in at DH when they need half a day off. But I liked knowing we had a young stud in the lineup, especially considering no other regular is under 28. When Robbie Cano is safely in his decline phase, Montero would've been entering his prime.
  • Add in the Kuroda signing (which I like a lot) and you have to wonder about Freddy Garcia, Phil Hughes and A.J. Burnett. Frankly, I think Cash will try to deal both Hughes and Burnett, possibly in the same package ("If you want Hughes, you have to take Burnett") for a hitter and/or prospects. I would love Hughes to win the fifth starter's spot, but he was utterly out-pitched last year by Garcia. It could happen again. If so, I'm sure a team willing to give him a legitimate shot to start is out there and willing to pay for it (via prospects).
  • I was really looking forward to watching Montero own the short RF porch for the next 10 years. He would've benefited from Yankee Stadium (and Pineda did/would've benefited from Safeco).
  • I'm a bit worried about Pineda's fly-ball, second half, road and struggles against .500+ teams. Someone tell me not to worry... Thanks, BTB.
  • With all that said, there will be a clear winner in this trade. It looks fair right now, but I believe that in a few years we'll look back and declare that one of the clubs deeply regrets it.
  • The buzz now is that Jorge Vazquez will get a shot to be the 2012 DH. Absolutely. The guy will strike out, but he'll also hit bombs. If not, he should be traded. He's 30 years old. He won't be getting any better. Now's the time to use him (to either help the ML club or to bring someone back via trade).
  • Rob Neyer liked William's analysis of the trade.

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I feel like Noesi is the forgotten man here. At least we’ve mentioned how we got Campos, but no one really misses Noesi (because we lost Jesus), and I don’t know if Mariners fans are excited about Noesi (because they just got Jesus).

Yes, they needed offense… but Prince Fielder was out there.

This would make sense if we were talking about the Red Sox or something, but why/how would the Mariners sign Fielder?

by bloppy_ploppy on Jan 14, 2012 8:26 PM EST reply actions  

Noesi's ceiling was pretty much reached

Grabbing a guy like Campos for him was a huge win in this deal.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 14, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally agreed.

Nice to see a familiar name from Gang Green Nation.

by ArunK on Jan 14, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Welcome aboard

Glad Yanks are making some moves to make me forget about the mess of a football season we had to endure.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 14, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Amen

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by Judgegavel on Jan 14, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

"I want to be a catcher. I love to catch. I like to be a catcher. I like to be in the middle of the game. I mean, it's my position. I want to play my position."-Jesus Montero

by 2xtheBully on Jan 14, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Jan 16, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

This

I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant

A.J. Burnett's only fan!

by nyyrocks29 on Jan 16, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

How do you reach this conclusion?
Noesi’s ceiling was pretty much reached

Romine!

by david d on Jan 15, 2012 2:34 AM EST up reply actions  

It was just a guess

Lemme guess, he was going to become the staff ace, right?

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 15, 2012 6:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I have no idea

I don’t think he’s been given enough of a chance to know how good (or bad) he’s going to be.

Romine!

by david d on Jan 15, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

If all they wanted

was offense, I’m just saying they had a great option which would’ve allowed them to keep Pineda: signing Prince. Smoak has yet to prove much of anything at the ML level. They could’ve rotated between DH & 1B. There have also been rumors that Prince could sign a short-term deal in order to hit FA again while still in his prime.

by Travis G on Jan 14, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm? I’ve been here for a year+. Or was that to ArunK? Anyways, I just don’t think they would sign Prince even if he took 2/$20 just to play part-time 1B

by bloppy_ploppy on Jan 14, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

If Campos can realize his potential, he can become a permanent fixture in the rotation by 2015.

BSME

by Xavier10 on Jan 14, 2012 8:27 PM EST reply actions  

Seems like Noesi for Campos is a swap of Major League readiness for a higher celing.

Which given what the pitching staff looks like right now, seems to be a plus where this trade is concerned.

And I’d just like to say Hey, seeing as this is my first comment here, as a long time Yankee fan from London.

by ArunK on Jan 14, 2012 8:56 PM EST reply actions  

The whole running with Hernandez thing, was it ever done in the reg. season to anyone's recollection?

Otherwise it may be that McDaniels has started to contribute already. Which would really scare me for next year.

by ArunK on Jan 14, 2012 9:18 PM EST reply actions  

2am? Where are you?

They did run Hernandez a little before, but this is the first time they can really mess with whatever, like letting Brady punt.

by bloppy_ploppy on Jan 14, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Campos

If Campos continues his success this year Campos will be a top pitching prospect next year. Campos could be in the next generation of great yankee prospects.

gvzfd

by GiantsYankees on Jan 14, 2012 10:09 PM EST reply actions  

I would say there are still a few questions that concerning Pineda.

Travis touched on a few, but one I keep thinking of is will he be able to perform in New York? I hate letting go of Montero, but it seems like this was a good trade and can be for several years. Noesi is being overlooked, but it is looking like we received another player that could have a higher ceiling than Noesi, and could potentially help more or make for good trade bait.

by blevs4 on Jan 14, 2012 10:22 PM EST reply actions  

our pitching staff

looks very potent right now…..sabathia pineda nova kuroda thats a nice big 4

by netsyankees4life on Jan 14, 2012 11:14 PM EST reply actions  

i thought we were trying to build from within

Jon Heyman said the Yanks offered Montero, Manny Banuelos and Dellin Betances for Felix. Considering Felix is owed almost $60M over the next three years, I’m surprised Seattle didn’t make that deal.

by Benjamin R on Jan 15, 2012 12:02 AM EST reply actions  

They're trying to build a team around Felix

He is their “superstar” and they are most likely trying to show him that they are intent on contending with him on the team. In the long run, #1. Take anything Heyman says with a grain of salt & #2. The Yankees do not build from within.

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 15, 2012 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

How was the movie?

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 15, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Best action movie of 2011, hands down

It was awesome. I don’t think it was better than The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo, but it was excellent. Simon Pegg steals the show.

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 15, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Did the action build from within? lol

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 15, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Nope, solid already from start to finish

Despite the worries of the fans!

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 15, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I know the yankees dont build from within, i was actually helping your cause in the previous thread

by Benjamin R on Jan 15, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

MLB Trade Rumors @mlbtraderumors
Bartolo Colon Agrees To Sign With Unknown Team bit.ly/yX3bTo #mlb

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 15, 2012 12:16 AM EST reply actions  

The Red Sox are countering with Colon and Padilla!

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 15, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I predicted the A’s for Colon

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by Brandon C. on Jan 15, 2012 12:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Everybody did on twitter

Which would make it odd for them to be called a mystery team now.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 15, 2012 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I meant I predicted them from the second he became a FA. I don’t know why I did but I did. We shall see!

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by Brandon C. on Jan 15, 2012 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

That would be a good fit, just not sure why anyone would care,lol

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 15, 2012 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Anyone else think that these moves could lead to Betances being traded?

Not that I’m advocating it. But we already have a lot of young, talented right-handed pitchers. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if the Yankees decided to flip him for a young outfielder, third basemen, or even a left-handed pitcher.

by Dylan87 on Jan 15, 2012 12:25 AM EST reply actions  

Yanks arent going to just trade someone just to make a trade

I wouldnt be shocked if they move AJ for some spects. I dont think the front office views Betances as untouchable but he wont go unless its for a need.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 15, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I think thats probably true

You can never have too many pitching prospects. Still, I would assume they are more willing to listen to offers, now that they added two more great young pitchers in Pineda and Campos. With a hole at DH, it wouldn’t surprise me if the Yankees decided to make another move. If they do trade a prospect, I would guess it would be fore an outfielder or a third baseman, so that A-Rod or Swisher could move to DH. I would love to see us hold onto everybody. For some reason though, I just think the Yankees are going to make another move.

by Dylan87 on Jan 15, 2012 12:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I see no reason why they would trade a spect when there are plenty of good free agents out there

Not highly priced either. They arent looking for a superstar for DH, they just need a guy they can platoon with Jones. Yanks will make another move but I seriously doubt it will be with any top prospects. Yanks do need to hold on to them in case something bad happens during the season.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 15, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow PSA pretty much burst into flames after this trade.

Personally, I like it. I understand the feelings some people have regarding losing Jesus; it’s tough to see one of your favorites get traded, especially a homegrown player like him. Objectively, the Yankees made the right move here. The rotation, while probably decent enough to get the Yankees to the playoffs, was thin and they made a move that bolsters it now and down the road. Plus they traded a back of the rotation guy (Noesi) for another guy who could be a big part of the future rotation. Maybe it’s not “building from within” in the purest sense of the phrase, but they used one of their pieces to fill a need, and stayed young while doing it. Good trade.

Status quo.

by nyynygnjd on Jan 15, 2012 1:06 AM EST reply actions  

I'm just going to miss hearing

‘A long drive off the bat of Jesus into the RF porch.’

by bleedsyankeeblue on Jan 15, 2012 1:27 AM EST reply actions  

I watch a lot of Mariners games

So I’m sure I’ll hear some of that!

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 15, 2012 3:36 AM EST up reply actions  

It won't be the same.

Sad face.

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by noonoo on Jan 15, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

oh, you'll hear it again

just wait ’til the Mariners come to town!

by pastor2b on Jan 15, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

colon is gone

Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
Bartolo colon has a deal. It’s apparently not dbacks or yanks. A’s were among other teams interested. No confirmation.

by nets4eva on Jan 15, 2012 2:09 AM EST reply actions  

Now CC has nobody to take trips to BK with.

by bleedsyankeeblue on Jan 15, 2012 2:51 AM EST reply actions  

Held his own in the VWL too. 30 innings of 3.26 ERA. Only downside was that he walked a lot of batters early in the season. Numbers looked better before he fell apart in his last start.

Yes, that is Mike Marra.

by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 15, 2012 3:12 AM EST reply actions  

Send Hughes to AAA

Hideki Matsui: "Kick ass. Pop champagne. And get some ho's."

by Meatface on Jan 15, 2012 10:49 AM EST reply actions  

Noesi

I’ve got a feeling Noesi is going to perform better than expected. We’ll see. He wasn’t given much of a chance at the MLB level.

I wish him well in Seattle. He’ll have innings limit in ‘12 since we didn’t stretch him out last season.

by CKY on Jan 15, 2012 7:40 PM EST reply actions  

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