After the Dust Cleared: Reactions to Last Night's Bedlam
by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 4:00 PM EST
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I was shocked and slightly disappointed when I first put the ties together on Twitter. Jesus Montero would be heading to the Mariners in exchange for Michael Pineda. Then I started thinking about, stopped acting like an angry fan, and looked at the situation rationally.
I'm starting to really like the direction the Yankees are taking. A year or so ago, I said I'd support flipping Montero, in the minors at the time, for a top pitching prospect. A year later, they basically did just that. That prospect just happened to prove himself at the Major League level.
In the meantime, they also did exactly what I wanted them to do for the short term. Hiroki Kuroda signed with the Yankees after his price tag dropped, he provides an upgrade, and his contract does not have any implications on the 2014 season.
I think everything they did last night shows us that the Yankees are actually committed to building from within. Whether that means using prospects at the Major League level or in trades to acquire other young talent does not make a difference. They used the talent they developed to make a huge upgrade in the rotation while also adding an impact prospect that may have the highest ceiling of all the arms in our system.
The Yankees made a move for the future of the rotation and a move for the short term. A team with 97 wins a season ago has just added Michael Pineda and Hiroki Kuroda. I'm really excited for 2012.
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I think everything they did last night shows us that the Yankees are actually committed to building from within.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 4:08 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
You do realize we now have 3 great pitchers in the farm now?
With Nova and Pineda on board the MLB roster.
This.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
You do remember how we treated the last 2 or 3 great pitchers we had in the farm, right?
Joba’s sucking on pen ink, Hughes is hanging by a thread, and Ian Kennedy is doing well on the D-Backs.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Whether that means using prospects at the Major League level or in trades to acquire other young talent does not make a difference. They used the talent they developed to make a huge upgrade in the rotation while also adding an impact prospect that may have the highest ceiling of all the arms in our system.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I laughed hard at that statement too, don't worry!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
I’d love to know what’s funny about it.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Why?
No point in explaining a joke to those I know won’t understand it
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Why are you acting like this? Don’t bash my writing because you’re pissed with the Yankees. If you have something to say about what I wrote, fine. But if you’re taking your anger out on my writing, that’s not fair.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
I'm acting like this because I find it laughable
Read my response to YankeeJets if you want to really know why. I’m not angry at this trade or your writing. I just find it hilarious that you actually think the Yankees are a team that builds from within.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
I said I think they’re trying to build from within, not that they historically are.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
I honestly think Cashman wants to build from within
But it will never happen when you have the guys with power above him making deals he doesnt want like the ARod and Soriano deals.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
Hahaha, stop it right there
Cashman is not even close to being off the hook for this. Sure, maybe he wasn’t in on Soriano, but to pretend like he gives a rats ass about building from within is absurd. Again, must I continuously remind people that only a year ago he was willing to dish at an insane 7 Year Deal to Cliff Lee, or that a little bit before that he would’ve traded Montero and others for a rental of Lee. Also, do you honestly think Pujols or Fielder wouldn’t be a Yankee if Tex wasn’t already at first base? Do you really?
Cashman is exactly the type of GM the Yankee organization loves and needs. He does what needs to be done to get the Yankees to the postseason every single year, no matter the cost. He is 100% in line with the WIN NOW AT ANY COST mentality. The Yankees will NEVER build from within because there is absolutely no need for them too. Ever.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
If they’re not interested in building from within at all, why haven’t they traded Cano, Nova, D-Rob, Gardner, etc?
"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth
Seriously? Hahaha
#1. He tried to trade Cano and it didn’t take. As for the other 3, if a good deal came along, he would. If Nova could’ve netted a “proven” pitcher, he’d be gone.
#2. Because they’ve been super successful for us, which is really the only way prospects tend to stay on this team. And even then, if the right deal comes along, it’s always a possibility. Believe me, I love Gardner, and if he’s traded I would not be surprised in the least.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Nova could have netted Dan Haren in 2010. They didn’t.
And citing the Cano deal is weak. It was for a mid-20’s A-Rod who was the best player in baseball. Cano wasn’t Cano at the time.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Joba could've netted us Haren as well possibly
Why they didn’t do that is still a riddle to this day.
It’s not weak. It’s what happened. The point is that if the right deal comes along for “proven” talent, they do it.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
But why is that so bad
The Yankees print money, they shouldnt be running things like the Pirates. The Yankees are very good for baseball, they put asses in the seats and they drive up ratings. Nobody wants the Yanks to change the way they do business.
Yes, they wouldve been in on Albert or Prince, and if we didnt have a 1B, why shouldnt they be? Would you rather they put an inferior product on the field and pocket all the money like the Marlins were doing?
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
by YankeesJets on Jan 14, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
..........
So then you agree that they don’t build from within.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
We're saying it looks like they're attempting to.
Also they have built from within.
Jeter, Mo, Pettitte, Posada, Cano, Gardner, Nova, D-Rob
All players who’ve been in the Yankee system who were/are contributing to this team. All teams sign players from other teams not just the Yankees.
And I'm saying the fact that you think they're attempting to is laughable
The reason Jeter, Mo, Pett, and Posada and even Bernie were allowed to do well is because at the time they really had nothing to lose. The reason the latter four are allowed to continue for us is because they instantly succeeded. The latter 3, except for maybe D-Rob, are still expendable at this stage in the game.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yes. That's the Yankees way
And it’s NOT building from within. Do you understand this now or shall I continue?
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
I understand, but to say we don't build from within completely is wrong.
We do build young talent. Cano wasn’t exactly a star right away. He took a couple years before he was Robbie boomstick.
I laughed at the fact that Frank said they are "attempting" to build from within
They are doing exactly what they always do. So, if you or anyone feels that they are building from within with what they do with their farm hands, then NOTHING has changed. They’ve always done this. It’s not some kind of Yankees Renaissance or anything of the sort. This has been standard procedure since the dynasty ended.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
Except this time they used youth to get youth
This wasnt a grab at a superstar with a bloated contract. This was a trade for 12 and beyond. Think Tino for Sterling Hitchcock and Russ Davis. If this was 1996, PSA would be screaming about that trade.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
According to the report
He tried for Felix. In 2010, he tried for a rental of Lee. They haven’t learned anything. They just went with what they felt was the best chance to win. That’s what they always do.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
And you are against this?
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
Did I say I was?
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
No, Im not sure where you are going with this
Are you just trying to question the whole build from within thing or is it disgust with the business as usual approach by Yanks?
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
Like I said, I'm just laughing at the thought that the Yankees are doing something new
I know exactly what kind of organization I root for now. There’s a reason we are called the Evil Empire, and it’s the truth. I’m not going to root against them. They do what it takes to win. I’ll still be in the stadium every year.
The Yankee fan in me appreciates the effort they put into trying to put a WS contender on the field every year. The baseball fan in me grows a little tired of the WIN NOW AT ANY COST mentality that goes with it. It’s a conflict of interests. It’s why I’m glad I get to watch other teams play a lot more now in addition to watching Yankee games.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
I gotcha
Living in Tampa, Im very fond of what the Rays have been able to do. I wouldnt have been when I was younger but as you get older you appreciate this kind of stuff. They pretty much put the whole we need a salary cap argument to bed.
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Sure they build from within
They use the guys from within to build,lol. They use prospects the way they are suppose to. If they feel a guy is cant miss, they keep him. If not, they hype him up and move him. They kept Hughes instead of getting Santana, yet they built up AJax enough to reel in Grandy.
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obviously they are interested in building from with in. it’s so obvious im not sure why you’re arguing. why would they just not want to develop young talent? wouldn’t that increase his chances at failing? arguing that is just stupid. now, can you argue that they don’t plan on having the minor league talent in certain circumstances on the major league roster and plan to build the team by adding established major league talent for those prospects? yes you can. but either way he’s buildign this team with those prospects whether it’s them or trading them for that talent. hes not building this team through free agnecy at the moment thats pretty clear. will banuelos and betances make a large impact for the yankees? who knows. but if he doesnt get a player in return he feels is better at the ML level than he isnt going to deal him, but he deals them for immeidate major league talent? hes essentially building this team through the farm.
Building from within doesn’t mean you need to call up and keep every single prospect.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Every cant miss prospect always pans out
Look at Pedro Alvarez!
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It does mean you give them a chance though
An intelligent chance, I might add. That DOESN’T happen on this team. This team is all about the WIN NOW NO MATTER THE COST, so anyone and everyone is expendable. Building from within is what the Rays have done, and the Yankees are not the Rays, nor should they be and nor will they ever be.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
You lost me there
You want the Yankees to be like the Rays or you dont want them to be like the Rays?
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Oh for the love of....pay attention
The Yankees do not build from within because they don’t fucking need too. They’re the Yankees. They can go out and get who they want whether being trading their farm or tapping into the money bin. Do you honestly, HONESTLY think they wouldn’t have signed Pujols if Tex wasn’t taking up space at first? Only a year ago they tried to sign Lee to a ridiculous 7 Year contract.
This is not a team that builds from within, and the very thought that they do is fucking moronically laughable.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
So why are you so upset?
You are one of the smarter people here and know how this team works. They simply made a lateral move, I dont see how they are giving up on the future by bringing back two good young pitchers. I truly believe if the Yanks traded Montero for Lincecum and Cain, people would still bitch. If Montero is that great, they will bring him back down the line.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
I'm not upset at the trade. It's actually a fantastic trade
What pisses me off is WHY they did it, this bullshit notion of “NEEDING” a #2 starter to compete when last year proved how much we didn’t need one, both in the regular season and the playoffs.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
I dont think the rotation we had before last night was going to take us very far
I mean we got very lucky last year with Colon/Garcia and we also got lucky that the Sox staff fell apart. The Sox proved that you can never have enough pitching.
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The Sox failed for EXACTLY the reason I thought they would
Because they didn’t address the major problem they had last year: pitching. Instead they spent all their dirty sox on Adrian Crawford and lost cause they had no pitching depth. We actually had pitching depth before getting Pineda, especially being that they gave Kuroda a year deal, which was a pretty good move. The Phillies proved that having too much pitching still doesn’t matter.
We did not get lucky. The Yankees do not run on luck, they run on business skill. If Bartolo Garcia did not work out, Noesi, Phelps, or Warren would have possibly been brought up to replace them (just like one of the latter 2 will probably be brought up if Garcia or Hughes or Nova fail) or Montero would have been traded for a rental, which is why he was kept down in the first place.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
If Bartolo Garcia did not work out, Noesi, Phelps, or Warren would have possibly been brought up to replace them
And how are you so confident that Noesi, Phelps, or Warren would have filled the void adequately?
"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth
Because they didn't cost Montero.
That’s the reason everyone had this blind faith in them they would produce good numbers. They could, but is the probability high? I wouldn’t say so.
I'm always confident
Anything can happen. I just simply hope for the best. It very well might not have worked out and if it doesn’t, oh well. Oh no, we don’t make it one year. The sky is falling!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
So you rather miss the playoffs just to watch one player possibly become an MVP caliber player?
Or miss out on the future of the team’s pitching? When you think about it with everyone complaining this team has no offense in 2-3 years (which is completely false) then how about us having no pitching now-2014?
Now we have more of a future pitching wise. Pitching wins championships and if our young pitchers pan out then we’ll be a contender for another decade and a half possibly. If our one star hitter pans out then we have 1/9 of the team filled. And looking for a lot more quality players.
Holy shit, read what I fucking say
Did I ever say I didn’t want the Yankees to make the playoffs to watch someone possibly become an MVP? Did I ever say anything about the team’s hitting or pitching being in question for the future? I said I’m always confident because they’re the Yankees. They. Are. Built. To Win. Every. Single. Year.
And in case the Dynasty taught you nothing, let me spell it out for you. TEAMS WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS. Not just pitching and not just hitting. TEAMS do. That’s why the Yankees were so dominant back then because it was unquestionably the best team on the field. Pitching, Hitting, Defense. Everything worked.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Sooooooooooo pitching cost us the 2011 ALDS?
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Playoffs is completely different.
You build a baseball team for the 162 game season to get you into the playoffs. Not the potential series ahead. The offense thrived and the pitching was average with lucky Colon and Garcia production.
Usually the key to winning playoff games are having a good bullpen. But we need solid pitching to go with our good hitting all year.
Who eats the bottom of the ice cream cone before licking the top? <—— Boom.
So, what you're saying is....
The Yankees are so good that average pitching plus planned pitching depth won us the AL East last year, proving that you don’t need a #2 starter or a team of Aces to make it to the playoffs.
Usually the key to winning playoff games are having a good bullpen. But we need solid pitching to go with our good hitting all year.
Pitching DID work last year, in both the regular season and the playoffs, and there was no reason to think it wouldn’t this year other than the usual OMG WE NEED PITCHING PANIC we see almost every fucking year.
Who eats the bottom of the ice cream cone before licking the top? <—— Boom.
And you eat the bottom of the ice cream cone to suck the melting chocolate ice cream out. That’s just common sense
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d for your last two sentences. That was brilliant. Although reading it I expected something along the lines of commonfuckingsense, maybe bolded.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just saying getting Colon and Garcia like production again doesn't seem probable.
And now I feel dumb about ice cream.
They must feel Garcia still has stuff left
Or else they would not have resigned him. As for Colon, that’s probably why they just got Kuroda as well. Plus with Phelps, Warren, and Ex-Noesi, they had 3 backups in case either Garcia or Hughes didn’t work out, or if Nova regressed like a frightened turtle.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
Colon carrying us through the early part of the year cant be called anything but lucky
If someone told you before the 11 season that we would be relying on Colon and Garcia the whole year, you would’ve thought we were a third place team. The Sox did have a very good staff going into the 11 season, injuries and ineffectiveness is what did them in.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
No they didn't.
They had Lester and question marks. Beckett came off a horrible year, John Lackey is John Lackey, Clay is injury prone and Dice-Balls did exactly that. The Sox rotation was just as questionable as ours, except we had a better bullpen. The Sox were put ahead of us due to their now WS effective hitting lineup.
If they didn’t think Colon was up to it, they wouldn’t have signed him. This team does not deal in intangibles. They have backup plans upon backup plans, because they are built to win every year.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
They pretty much just signed Colon to give him a shot because he impressed Tony Pena. He would never have had a shot in the rotation if Hughes didn’t go down anyway.
"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth
Like I said
They have backup plans upon backup plans. They are built to win every year.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
The Sox had a better SP staff going into the year too
There is a reason why they were dominant during the May – August months. They had a solid staff until it fell apart.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
No they didn't
They had question marks, question marks that no one talked about which eventually lead to their downfall both in the beginning and end of the year. The Red Sox didn’t have a solid staff, the Phillies did. The Phillies had a solid staff because it didn’t fall apart.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
They had Beckett, Lester, Lackey, Bucholz and DiceK. How is that a bad staff? In hindsight, it turned into one but going into 11, that was a very good staff to have.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
It's not hindsight
I said at the beginning of that year it was a very questionable staff, far more questionable than ours for every reason I mentioned up above. I was right!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Why did you think it was questionable?
I know about Clay’s injury concerns but what about the others?
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Because...
Beckett came off a horrible year, John Lackey is John Lackey, Clay is injury prone and Dice-Balls did exactly that.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Lackey was a decent option for a 3 though, Dice K for a 5 too
Going into the season I wouldve taken their SP staff over ours.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
I would've taken ours!
And I would’ve won!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
No, because I wouldve added better depth,lol
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
My team did add better depth!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
This is a foolish comment
The Yankees have built within since the days of Gene Michael. Name how many successful Yankees came up through the farm that erre traded elsewhere. You have Ian Kennedy and who knows how good he really is. You’d have to go back to Jay Buhner to see that BS.
The Yankees fill holes with cash because they are the Yankees.
You guys do realize they didnt trade for a 37 year old pitcher, right?
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
This is a win now AND win later move. He’s under team control for five seasons, and the next two are at the league minimum.
And they also acquired a pitcher with more upside than any other starter in the system. But okay, they’re not trying to build from within.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
And we've seen how they treat their prospect starters recently, haven't we?
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
You learn from mistakes. I’m not saying they have a great track record, but that doesn’t mean you should try to acquire young talent.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
That should read “shouldn’t.”
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
They had young talent
They just traded young talent for young talent.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Which, to me, shows they’re trying to build from within. They dealt from a position they perceived as a strength (I know… just saying) to fill a need. And they stayed young in doing so.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
No, they traded for "proven" talent
That’s not building from within.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pineda had a great rookie season
Yankees saw potential and decided to take a chance on him over montero. Pineda is only slightly more proven than montero but the yanks liked what they saw.
Fantastic
That’s STILL not building from within.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
no its not but i think the people saying they are going to build from within really mean a youth movement
the fact that they dealt Monetero for a young 23 yr old SP and 19 yr old SP prospect instead of a in prime Lee, says to me that maybe they realize they have ARod, Jeter, Tex, and CC on long term deals that will take them well past their productive years and need to start stocking up the farm system for cheap players while they have 20 mil deals to play DH and sit on the bench
They tried to sign Lee to a 7 Year Deal last year
If another pitcher of Lee’s caliber was on the market this year, they would’ve made the same offer. This team is doing what it always does. The only reason they didn’t overspend again this year is because there was no one worth overspending on.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
I totally agree with you.
The first thought i had was wow the yankees trading for young prospects. I do think the yankees are trying to build a great farm system, wether to use or to trade away idk but i do think this trade is bringing public awarness to the slow increase of making youth a priority
The Yankees have a pretty damn good farm system
Which is a testament to them because of how successful they are and how they don’t get the best of draft picks like the Baltic Ave. teams do. I just don’t believe trading a great farm system to acquire “proven” talent is building from within. Pineda is young, yes. But if he was as good as the think he’ll be on the Yankees and he was 30, I think they would’ve done it anyway.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
I think they are doing whatever it takes to win every year
And I don’t think age is a huge factor in their decisions.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
I think in order to do whatever it takes
you have to be aware that Jeter and Arod are going to need time at DH and this team is getting old, and we are going to need young guys to replace them when they are old and frail
When the old fogies needed time at DH
You technically could’ve had Montero catch for one of his learning, SAT homework days behind the plate. Yes, we are going to need young guys to replace Jeter & A-Rod. Did we acquire any recently, or do we have any coming up in the works? I’m no minor league expert, but the most I hear about is pitching and OF, and a catcher here and there. No 3B or SS.
LoL, odds are that unless Jose Reyes completely blows out his legs, when the Marlins need to dump contracts in 3 years he’ll be our new SS.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
they didnt go for the more proven guy(even though he is) they went for the position they need think is harder to find and is much more valuable. you win with pitching. thats why they made the move and i love it
You win with a team, not just pitching.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
How is that not building from within? It’s not like they went out and signed a 32 year old to a seven year deal. Trades are part of building from within.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Building from within is what the Rays do
They develop prospects, bring them up, make a run and sometimes have to give those prospects up because they become successful then use their other prospects & some cheap alternatives to build a team to contend. They are reliant on their farm system. We are not. Using our farm to get “proven” stars is not building from within, it’s acquiring star talent from without using “possible” star talent.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
You are building using the farm talent though
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That’s all I’m trying to say lol
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
I don't feel it is
And if you do, that’s your opinion, but like I said up above, it’s what the Yankees always do. Nothing has changed, and there’s no “attempting” to change. It’s standard procedure.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
It is changing though
They didnt trade Montero for an aging vet, they traded him for young pitching. This trade was about the future.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
Like I just said above
They did was they always do, give themselves what they feel is the best chance to win. This had more to do with the talent of the player than it did his age.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
Isnt that what every team is supposed to do?
Give themselves the best chance to win?
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Indeed
But I don’t think it has to do with building from within, but rather making business moves that few other teams can make so they can win every year. I don’t think this trade was about youth but rather about talent. As I just said to someone above, Pineda could have been older and I think they would’ve done this trade.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
I think Pineda's youth and being under control for 5 years had something to do with it
But I do agree that if Pineda was older, they still make the deal. Obviously, they were ready to move Montero for Lee who was older.
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Team control probably had something to do with it
Age, I don’t buy it. Ultimately I think it has to do with talent and what they see from Pineda.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Who said I didn't understand it?
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
That’s been the mentality here from the moment the trade was announced.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Well, get over it. Clearly.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Amazing how one trade has turned to site into Halo Heaven
Lets throw all rationality and logic out the window because Montero isn’t a yankee anymore.
by lololol on Jan 14, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As long as Im not Rev Halo, Im okay with that analogy
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Oh please.
Some people feel that Montero would have helped us in our future more than Pineda. Quit acting so elitist.
by Briceratops on Jan 14, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He probably could have.
But we have hitting now and for the future. We don’t have pitching now or for the future. But now we do.
Not entirely true
We did and still do have pitching for the future
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Man Ban and Betances never showed what they could do at the MLB level.
I’m not calling them busts, but Pineda at least has some MLB experience and did well.
Kuroda would have sufficed for this season and we had Banuelos and Betances a year away. We do NOT have any upper level offensive talent to help offset our aging lineup.
It’s like people don’t think Cano & Granderson are capable of being talented for several more years.
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Granderson will be 31.
Do you really think he will put up a 140 wRC+ in 2013? You don’t think he will start to regress?
It wouldn't surprise me.
He’s not out of shape. He’s a lean speedy CF’er. Probably will age better than most.
O rele?
Well I’m glad the fact that he is “lean and speedy” will keep him from defying the normal age curve.
Carl Crawford is wondering what the hell happened last year
“Im lean and speedy, dammit”
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carl crawford didn't suck last season because of his age
Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.
Never said he did
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briceratops' comment of lean and speedy comment was made in light of age
not skill
Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.
So why did Crawford suck last year?
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This would be true if Pineda was here for only a year
except this was both a long term and short term move.
I think Cashman thought that having montero on the roster would create some future problems
Arod and Jeter are getting up there in years and Cashman wants the DH spot open for them to use, Montero would hog it while on the roster. Giraridi likes the C to be more defensively able than offensively able which is what Romine is, and Gary Sanchez is supposed to be a second Montero. Montero wasnt the only good Catching prospects they had, and decided to sell high on Montero and pick up a good young SP. If montero came in and started slow this year which isnt rare for anybody, including Albert Pujols, he would have signifigantly lower trade value and might not be able to fetch a Rookie season All Star and top Prospect for Montero, and a future MRP in Noesi
Yes, I know he thinks that.
And I think that Montero could have been the next Mike Napoli. Splitting time between C/DH/1B and having a wOBA in the upper .300’s. I think that would be more valuable to the Yankees down the road than Pineda.
Curious, how do you see Pineda ending up, and how is what you think Montero will be more valuable than what Pineda will be?
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I think Pineda will be a fine pitcher.
Great upside. I expect him to be a 3.5-4 win pitcher the next few years. I also think that he is an injury risk from throwing so many sliders and having elbow problems in 2009. He also gives up a lot of home runs which might bite him in the ass in YS3. I think Montero will be the next Mike Napoli, which in my opinion would have been more valuable to the Yankees than Pineda.
Who would you compare Pineda to?
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Apparently it's not a very good pitch though.
But I suppose it could always improve considering his age.
It underwhelming compared to his other pitches
the whiff rate is pretty meh. But it was still rated positively last season. People assume because he only threw it 6% of the time that he is only a two pitch guy, but that only vs righties. Vs lefties he is much more willing to throw his change up.
“And I think that Montero could have been the next Mike Napoli. Splitting time between C/DH/1B and having a wOBA in the upper .300’s. I think that would be more valuable to the Yankees down the road than Pineda.”
dumb comment
Aren't you the one that uses batting average in his arguments?
You are definitely the one to say who is dumb.
yes i use batting average as part of an argument. that’s soooooo dumb. batting average is irrelevent for sure man.
i think a #1 or #2 pitcher is far more valuable then a mike napoli 1b/dh/c position type guy and i don’t think it’s close. a largeeee majority of people in baseball feel the same way as i do which is why most of them cant believe a young pitcher with this type of talent got dealt and think we got a steal(which is how i feel). in my opinion you win with pitching in baseball. mike napoli got traded for vernon wells last offseason. what a hard thing to find.
which is why i said i use batting average as PARTof my arguments at times. I encourage all of you to look at batting avaerage as a stat that helps tell the story of a player. it’s how frequently a player gets a hit….thats important. do i think obp matters to, yes. slugging, yes, ops, yes. not sure how you can disagere with that.
So, because the Angels GM is stupid, another Napoli is easy to find? Oh.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
you’re arguing that mike napoli is more imporant than pineda. i have no comment for that. the rangers would deal napoli for pineda in a heart beat and laugh. honestly selig might decline the trade itd be so unbalanced
When did she say that, ever?
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
" I think Montero will be the next Mike Napoli, which in my opinion would have been more valuable to the Yankees than Pineda."
My disagreement is with the fact that you think because Mike Napoli was traded for Vernon Wells, that that somehow says more about the ease of finding another Napoli than it does about how stupid the Angels GM is. I think that’s patently false.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
That Angels GM wasnt stupid
He stole Kazmir from the Rays
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Well, he got pretty badly had on the Vernon Wells trade.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
I was being sarcastic
That Kazmir deal was worse than the Wells deal
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Ah. Sarcasm meter wasn’t properly engaged.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
The Napoli of 2011 is not easy to find. At all. The Napoli prior to 2011 was expendable. e
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
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Yeah I don’t know how that happened..
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
I also joined Over The Monster. Doesn’t mean anything.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
I was asking if you did.
Wasn’t aware you have. Just wanting to know if you were going to follow Montero through there.
I’m a big fan of Jeff Sullivan’s writing and it’s easier to follow a blog if you’re a member.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
One of the best.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
That wasn’t my comment.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
I think Pineda will be a fine pitcher.
Great upside. I expect him to be a 3.5-4 win pitcher the next few years. I also think that he is an injury risk from throwing so many sliders and having elbow problems in 2009. He also gives up a lot of home runs which might bite him in the ass in YS3. I think Montero will be the next Mike Napoli, which in my opinion would have been more valuable to the Yankees than Pineda.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
i understand he didnt say that, but when he comes in arguing that we cant find a mike napoli im going to assume that he agrees with the original poster. i think thats kind of natural.
She isn’t a he.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
I know, I know. It’s amazing I’m not in the kitchen where I should be. I’m a rebel.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Do not use that argument
This came up all the time during the “can a pitcher win the MVP” debate.
Napoli can contribute everyday. Yes, that is a fact (except he’ll miss at least two days, but that’s nitpicking). But Napoli got 369 at bats last year. That’s 369 times to influence the game.
Pineda pitched 171 innings and faced 696 batters. With 171 innings, he would have faced a minimum of 513 batters (which is impossible). That’s 513 times to influence the game.
So yes, Napoli goes to work everyday, but so what? Pineda has more influence on the game when he does play. Sure Napoli plays defense, so there’s some influence he imparts, but it’s not that much.
by bloppy_ploppy on Jan 14, 2012 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
How is that dumb, exactly?
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Because we can trade for the next Napoli no problem.
He was acquired for Wells last season. That happens all the time duh.
I can’t believe that this is a thing.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Brian Sabean will trade Posey for Dickerson
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jan 14, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
The Mariners think he can be a catcher, for what it’s worth.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Both the Yankees and Mariners believe that Montero will be able to stick at catcher, which many in the industry feel is a must in order for the trade to make sense for Seattle.
Oh.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
didnt you like this trade? it’s like youre jsut trying to agrue random things with me. i think pineda is more valuable then a napoli. you dont agree with that? then why do you like the trade? i dont think cashman actualyl thinks montero can catch effectively at the major league level. i think thats pretty clear.
I think he’s trying to make sure people are speaking from a place of fact not narrative.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Saying xyz people believe Montero isn’t a catcher is not, which is what he corrected.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
how do you know cashman thinks hes a catcher? because he sadi it once? what was he supposed to say. i dont think you guys have facts either.
He’s said it more than once. Do you have any proof that he doesn’t think so?
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
How is the trade proof they don’t think he’ll be a catcher?
Maybe they did it because they think they have plenty of catching depth and not enough elite pitching and it has nothing to do with your made up ESPN story lines.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
dude, i dont think the yankees thought of him as a catcher in the yankees orginzation. chill out. its not that crazy of a comment.
If the Yankees really didn’t think he was a catcher, why would they waste his bat back there and risk injury to him every time he got behind the plate?
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
The quote that Frankie posted? Which is from a reliable source?
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
I have posted proof.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly this.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yes I do like it, but that doesn’t change the fact that you are making things up and I’ve provided proof to point out that you are making things up.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Your comments:
posey is a catcher. montero is not.
i dont think cashman actualyl thinks montero can catch effectively at the major league level. i think thats pretty clear.
Mine, which is a quote:
Both the Yankees and Mariners believe that Montero will be able to stick at catcher, which many in the industry feel is a must in order for the trade to make sense for Seattle.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
and thats fact beacuse you copied and pasted that little sentence in saying that the yankees believe he is a catcher. many people dont think they felt that way.
The Yankees…and the Mariners.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
That little sentence directly contradicts what you are saying and nothing you are posting says otherwise.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
Dickerson would be a nice fit
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Find where I said that, you arrogant chunt
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jan 14, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
Whats a chunt?
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
And honestly, that post is news to me. Thanks though. Always enjoy adding to my urban lexicon.
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jan 14, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Offense
Guess it only matters if Jesus at DH would be the difference between enough runs or not.
Don’t think that will be the case.
This was a very well thought out deal, especially the Noesi part. A back of the rotation 25 yr old who is almost at his ceiling vs a risk on a possiible top of the rotation stud
There was nowhere for Noesi to go. And no position on the field for Jesus. Time wlll tell but Cash made a very good deal.
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+1
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Right on
Agree 100% . this is a big win for NY. Pineda for Montero gives us some huge help in starting pitching. I really wanted to see Montero hit in NY but the pitching needed the help. We now have possibly 7 starters to sort out and five quality starters will be a luxury. This also leaves us in a great spot to trade some pitching for a tough DH as needed.
Love the deal and think Pineda will make fans of the peeps that hate the trade
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I think the sudden move of Montero was such a shocker to Yankee fans that they immediatley hated the deal and were 100% against it. But upon looking over the trade again and again it is starting to make more and more sense. The Yankees will always have hitting, however pitching esp. young talent is hard to come by. Therefore this trade does make sense and I think will help the Yankees in the long run.
I dont think some of the people knew enough about Pineda and Campos
Once they looked into them, they had to know we did pretty damn good.
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They assume Montero is guarnteed to be a 30+ homerun HoFer or something
and Pineda is a bust waiting to happen despite having a great rookie season…sigh
Who is saying all this stuff? Are yall reading a thread I can’t find?
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
I still hate this crap
and as Pineda Joba Chamberlains his way through the season with countless 5IP 100P outings, Montero will be slugging 35HRs and making Seattle into a solid club.
We needed pitching, but not like this. Kuroda and whatever the hell for Edwin Jackson would’ve sufficed.
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by Rorschach44 on Jan 14, 2012 6:01 AM PST
Because Free has never exaggerated anything before.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
more overreatcing?
This stupid fucking team doesn’t deserve good prospects
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jan 13, 2012 4:45 PM PST reply actions
Holy shit, some people are upset and said reactionary things! They are clearly crazy for not loving this trade!
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Because this ENTIRE TIME people have come along and tried to brow beat and insult people into loving it. Saying that everyone who isn’t thrilled wants Pineda to fail and stuff. If you love the trade, love it. Don’t tell everyone else how to feel about it.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
People who are justifying the trade are using the numbers and facts to show how the trade is not as bad as some people make it seem. while People against the trade is speaking more from a personal attachment to Montero and conjecture rather than looking at it with objectivity.
by lololol on Jan 14, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Who cares? Why does it matter to you or anyone else that people are upset? If you’re not, cool. No one is telling you to be, so everyone who isn’t needs to chill on trying to make everyone else fall in line. They’ll accept in it time, or they won’t, but I guarantee it won’t matter either way.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
And why does it matter to you that i think people are overreacting? I didn’t call anyone out specifically in my first post, i just said people have some crazy expectation for montero and viewed Pineda as a bust already. I don’t think thats going overboard no?
Because one group of people is like LIKE THIS TRADE OR YOU’RE IRRATIONAL AND WE’LL MAKE SNIDE EXAGGERATED COMMENTS ABOUT YOUR OPINIONS and the other group isn’t saying anything about people who don’t agree with them.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
And yet none of them are exaggerating or being rude about what people who don’t agree with them think.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
It’s fine to laugh and point at people making fanposts that are over-blown reactions to the organization during the season. Now it’s the other side of the coin, nooo you’re being rude! Tell me how many times have you made fun of someone who posts something absurd and reactionary? None the post of people who disagreeing with those people now are nearly as bad as some of the posts replies to some of the other overreaction posts in the past.
by lololol on Jan 14, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Trading the top prospect that a lot of people had a lot of affection toward is a lot different than people who come in and scream about losing a game or two, saying we should fire everyone. But yeah, you’re SO RIGHT. It’s much better to act like it’s the exact same.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Acting like it’s the same thing is not at all being honest. It’s spinning things to make it seem like you’re not being an asshole about this for no reason. Have some people been overly reactionary? Obviously. Has everyone? No, I don’t think they have. But accusing people of wanting Pineda to fail and get hurt and all that shit when that is not at all what is going on here and lumping everyone together who isn’t a huge fan of it is stupid. We miss Montero. Friggin sue us.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
At least we're being reasonable
No one is putting up fanposts screaming for Cashman to be fired. This is something more personal than it is necessarily baseball-related (though it is for me too) and no amount argument will convince me otherwise so there’s no point for anyone to challenge me.
Some people have taken it too far. But everyone who isn’t pumped about it hasn’t. I haven’t said a word about firing Cashman, wanting Pineda hurt, or anything like that. Yet everyone who isn’t excited is somehow wrong and worth making fun of to those of you who don’t agree. If I was yelling crazy shit about how the Yankees are doomed and will never win again without Montero, you can make fun of me till your heart is content.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Well i never pointed to you specifically and i never did. I was talking about some of the other stuff i’ve read form people, which includes some regulars.
I get it. But the reaction to it has seemingly been very lumping together of everyone with that opinion. I’m always down to make fun of people who are outwardly being crazy and I won’t act like I’m not, but I don’t think I’ve been that and I don’t want to be lumped in with that. That’s all.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I'll fully admit it
I’m an asshole.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
Personally I think you've probably been the most reasonable of the people that are against the trade
Other regulars though have said some really crazy ass shit…
I’m not even anti trade as much as I’m just friggin bummed that we traded Montero. It just seems like a lot of people have lumped everyone together who is disappointed/mad and I don’t think that we’re all the same.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
Nope you aren’t. You’ve been reasonably disappointing, which is expected. I didn’t mean to make it seem like i was lumping you in a group because i wasn’t.
Well I’m sorry that that’s how I took it. Just seemed like sweeping generalizations were being made about the people who aren’t yet excited and I didn’t think I was being so unreasonably reactionary that it was worthy of being made fun of, so I got defensive about it.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
I know you had emotional attachment to Montero, and I think it sucks you are being lumped in with some of the others who seem to be saying stupid stuff just to say stupid stuff.
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It does suck, but people are angry and saying a lot of things. My only issue is not wanting my disappointment to be lumped in with yelling craziness, which I felt like it was being. I’m not anti making fun of people (duhhhh), just anti having all disappointment being made fun of.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
I know, you never even said bad things about the deal
Its more like an old friend moving away for you. Some here dont understand the emotional attachment to a player. It took me awhile to take to Tino, Mattingly was the guy that got me into this game.
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Did you see that Jesus comes to the stadium 2 days after my birthday from the thread last night? You know, cause of course he would.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah that just sucks
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I’m a Taurus.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
This is probably my favorite comment in this thread
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
Which is funny, because lololol and I already established that that’s not what I meant, but cool story.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
I could care less if someone loves or hates the trade. I understand that some had a connection to Jesus and thats cool. I was just commenting on how many hated the trade when it was announced and are starting to warm to it after learning about the guys we got back.
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And that’s fine! But some people are acting like if you aren’t just SO EXCITED about this you’re wrong, irrational, want Pineda to get hurt, whatever. That’s not fair and it’s annoying.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
I agree but you should know by now how some can be around here
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I loved Montero too.
Don’t get me wrong. It’s just I can see why we did the trade. Plus I don’t let these players moving effect me unless they’ve been around for a while.
Well, for me, Montero has been around for years.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Well yea.
I knew of Montero in 2009. I followed his stats, never could watch him really though. I was mad at first, but I can see why we did it. I can understand your disappointment because that’s how I felt at first. I came home and screamed NO!!!!! really loud. I’m said he’s going to be facing us, but I’m good with letting things go.
I don’t think you spend as much time watching the minors as Jedi, Duggan, I, and a few others do, which is fine. We’ve been following Montero pretty actively since he signed with the Yankees. I never said that I can’t see why we made the trade, but it’s going to take a lot longer than a day for me to not be disappointed.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Should be couldn’t care less
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Go eat your skittles
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Still not as bad as the guy hoping Tebow turns into Sandusky
Sometimes its scary to think there are people like this in society.
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anyone else think we should trade hughes?
Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.
Lets package him with AJ to the M's and get Baby J back
My God, at least that would quiet things down around here.
I keep hearing the year 2014
I really didnt pay any attention to the new CBA since it was dramaless. What is the incentive that comes with having a lower payroll that year. Why is 2014 such a big year (IK its the when the CBA takes affect but what is the new rules about payroll that the yankees actually care about)
All this prospect, build from within bs
is beyond beside the point.
For the Yankees, the purpose is always to win this year. And THEN the year after and then the year after that, etc.
To hang your hat on either argument of “Lets breastfeed all our babies and build from within” OR “let’s sell all our babies for proven warriors” is foolish— and you ARE a fool if you think Cash is 100% adherent to either philosophy. HE DOES BOTH AND EITHER DEPENDING ON WHAT HE FEELS SUITS THE TEAMS NEED. That’s the luxury of being a Yankee GM and I’d say he’s done us pretty good.
Ive never seen a trade be so down the middle
50% love it, 50% hate it
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Which is great for PSA
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I know. Its ridiculous
You’d think Canada traded Justin Bieber.
Personally,
I’d say it’s too damn high
Yes, that is Mike Marra.
by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 15, 2012 2:13 AM EST up reply actions
I’m right.
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I disagree
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Not watching, what’s going on?
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Niners are wiping the floor with them.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldnt consider this game over just yet
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Score?
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Stop moding each other. I am reading the comments and will decide when people need to be warned.
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Is this the warning?
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
It’s like the umpire warning both sides before anything happens.
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Can I throw at the umpire?
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Emotions are emotions people say crazy things people said crazy things let’s get over it! Go Yankees!
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You just titled your post with your name?
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
There’s another user here that does that and it makes me laugh
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But you need to end your comment like this then too:
go yankees go you are the best
by bloppy_ploppy on Jan 14, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
2013 lineup
C-Austin Romine 24
1b- Mark Teixeira 33
2B- Robinson Cano 30
SS- Derek Jeter 38/39
3B- Alex Rodriguez 37/38
RF- ????
CF- Curtis Granderson 32
LF- Brett Gardner 29
I see one player that we can count on to mash. Clearly Montero was expendable amirite?
We are going without a DH in 2013?
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How about a young starting pitcher that throws gas?
Are they an easy thing to find?
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Doesn't matter
That’s good enough to make 2nd Wild Card status.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
I mean c’mon that’s just silly.
Teixeira will still hit 33-37 HR
You are someone I believe that has said A-Rod will be fine, correct me if I’m wrong.
Gardner is an on base machine
Cano and Granderson will rake
Moves will likely be made.
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I think A-Rod will remain healthier than some have suggested, yes. I don’t think that he will be putting up a 130 wRC+ at age 37-38 and beyond. I think you are overestimating Teixiera and Granderson for 2013.
Isn't A-Rod consulting Kobe
for his roid infested knees? I expect A-Rod to be healthier but that doesn’t mean much.
Depends on who we pick up for RF I guess.
Everyone else I listed is under contract, with a few of them being unmovable.
Ethier for right maybe? Depends if they go after Hamels or a starter
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I honestly dont think they are gonna be adding any more big contracts for awhile
Also think we wont need Hamels, Man Ban should be ready by next year, no?
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Hopefully. He needs to figure out how to control his added velocity.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Dude do you think that is a BAD lineup? I’m sure most of MLB would be thinking “Cry me a river.”
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yup
I don’t think that the old people in that lineup will produce as much as they are doing right now.
I think that's being a little pessimistic
2013 lineup
C-Austin Romine 24
They’ve managed with weak catchers in the lineup before and I think it’s assuming a lot that Martin will be gone by then and they’ll be totally ready to give the job to Romine.
1b- Mark Teixeira 33
Tex is not worth his contract, no, but he’s still going to hit at least 30 homers and he’s looking to improve his swing this year. He’ll be fine.
2B- Robinson Cano 30
Still a monster
SS- Derek Jeter 38/39
Possibly two weak spots then? Even still, Jeter’s production will probably still be average for Shortstop
3B- Alex Rodriguez 37/38
Wild card, but I highly doubt he will be a weak player.
RF- ????
CF- Curtis Granderson 32
You are really underestimating what Granderson could continue to do. Why is 32 now considered old? If he can be anywhere close to Bernie’s age 32 season, they’ll be absolutely fine.
LF- Brett Gardner 29
Batting eyes don’t go away, and unless he has leg injuries, he’ll still be fast and getting on base.
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Why are the comments deciding to be stupid now?
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 6:01 PM EST reply actions
You misspelled commenters
OH!
"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"
by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
What?
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It just shows my name like I commented 2 or 3 times in a row, but there isn’t a comment, just the bottom line.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Random question alert!
Would you trade Manny B for Dom Brown?
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I don’t understand this line of thinking either. The trade wasn’t about ridding themselves of Montero, they managed to improve the rotation and only give away one of their top three prospects
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where is that young offense going to play?
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DH is fungible.
There’s this Swisher guy, I don’t know if you know him.
Infield: Centaur-Jeet-Cano-Tex; where do you see a hole?
4th OF is the same as another RF.
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"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth
If they had a right fielder they could replace Swisher after the season
This is all hypothetical bull anyway. If the Yankees had bats coming up, they would make room for them somewhere. They don’t have any offense coming up and that might be a problem soon. Maybe not 2013, but soon.
Why is MLB all of a sudden ending Free agency?
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And there we go again. More expensive free agent signings. There goes that idea of lowering the payroll. Which is why a cheap bat would be useful
No it doesnt end lowering the payroll
With the pitching staff intact, you dont add a big miney question mark in the rotation. AJ’s money and Swishers money come of the books, you can add an OF for that money. Plus who knows if a guy explodes down on the farm? Nobody saw Cano coming, did they?
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DH is gonna be clogged up with the high dollar players
4th OF can be pretty much anyone and maybe when AJ’s deal expires they add a RF with his money.
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Sure it’s far away, but Williams, Sanchez, Bichette, etc.
By the time they need replacements the replacements will be there.
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The lineup is fine now. Would have been great to have him, but the lineup is fine
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yeah its fine now
thats very shortsighted. What happens in the next few years when everyone starts to stink of old?
Cano? Granderson?
It’ll be fine, more moves can/will be made if necessary
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good for Cano and Granderson
but unless they double their production, we are going to be missing Montero with Jeter and Arod still around and what if Tex continues into his downward spiral? I get that we have people, but we also need to replace people as they get old.
And I don't think Granderson will have a >130 wRC+ in 2013.
I might be the only one though. Good hitter sure, but not what he’s doing right now.
The rest of the garbage above in this thread is the stuff people are complaining about
Because they traded Montero for a young ace, now they are going to move Man Ban for Howard. Why even bother listing garbage like that? For a reaction?
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its called venting
no one is bothering you with it so don’t look at it if it bothers you so. Simple.
Venting? It brings nothing to the conversation
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The guy can post what he wants. Freedom of speech, et. al. You don’t have to respond.
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True, he has his opinion, I have mine
These were the clowns that some of the others were being lumped in unfairly with earlier though.
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I know, its just a post to get a reaction
Nice job, it got one from me,lol.
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I wasn't even looking for one from you
I was joking with whoever wanted to laugh/complain, I don’t like getting into an argument just because I want to.
its not supposed to. People complain about things that they can’t possibly change all the time. It makes them feel better. We all do it.
Complaining is fine but because they traded Montero for Pineda, they now are gonna dump the other spects?
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No hes an old #5 journeyman pitcher
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I think he’s a #1b best #3a worst
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1b and 3a?
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There’s upper tier aces (1a) then the barely aces (1b) and so on
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Who would you consider 1(b) aces in the game today?
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Latos is one, Gallardo
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Im not too high on Latos away from SD
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Variety of stats. you have to be really good to be a 1 A
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I think he just pulls it out of his ass
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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 14, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Woah
WTF happened here? More eventful on here than on the trade thread yesterday! I don’t know whether to be amused or not.
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Yea I'm just going to go with that
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Good.
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Can’t say to pray to Jesus now to make it feel better.
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i said i dont think the yankees viewed montero as a catcher and that i tihnk pineda is more valuable than a napoli type player and i got bombarded. gotta love it.
Montero is a popular guy on here that people (including me) have become emotionally attached to
Anything said against him is going to get some upset reactions. Doesn’t mean you’re wrong- it’s an opinion and you can certainly make an argument for it.
I’m not the biggest fan of the trade because I don’t like losing Jesus, but I’m over it. I’m focusing on the positives of the trade and looking forward to 2012. For some people it’ll take longer to get over it.
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If it was 1996 and not 2012
Half of PSA would be going crazy because we just traded away Sterling Hitchcock and Russ Davis for Tino Martinez. Sometimes you trade your chips and it works out.
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thanks for the response. i udnerstand why people are upset but peopel acting like those 2 statements are nuts because i dont have “proof” cashman beleives that. we have no proof of anything cashman thinks. cahsman said he thinks hes a catcher in the last year…awesome…but whats he supopsed to say. i just want to argue sports and the reactions on this site are insane
No faith
Montero was made available by the Yankees, who had previously tried to trade him to Seattle for Cliff Lee at the 2010 trade deadline, because they had absolutely no faith in his abilities behind the plate. Montero started 17 games for the Yankees in September, all but three of them at designated hitter, and of the three games he did catch, he was replaced mid-game in two of them.
Lol. Make stuff up, get called out for it, then play victim. Yay!
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
I just realized I've gotten two bad birthday gifts from the Yankees in a row
Last year Pettitte retired on my birthday and now Jesus got traded a few weeks before. Sad Face.
Last year yesterday the Yankees signed Soriano.
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Here is why I dislike what the Yankees did?
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 6:40 PM EST reply actions
...don't know why I put a ? there...
"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"
by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
No spoilers please
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Dear God, I don’t even want to talk about it.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
Jumped off that Jets wagon pretty quickly, eh?
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
It was painful.
Jesus Montero fangirl
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
Surprised Cuse is still #1.
I thought they would of went down sooner because of the distractions. Hope they keep on going.
Did anyone doubt the Saints would score there?
Jesus Montero fangirl
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
Now that, I didn’t see coming….
Jesus Montero fangirl
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 14, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
49ers win
Bress throws 63 passes. Jesus wow, that a game
by bloppy_ploppy on Jan 14, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
Go meteor!
Cricket blogger and writer of nonsense at 7500 to Holte
by MattF15 on Jan 14, 2012 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This works.
Crouching moron, hidden smarta**
Optimism, pessimism, F*CK THAT; we're gonna make it happen. As God as my bloody witness, I'm hell-bent on making it work.
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point."
Masai Ujiri, Brian Cashman: Magnificent Bastards
Supreme: Everyone gets a free pony.
It's a bummer that
They couldn’t work AJ Burnett in the deal too. And does this mean Jorge is coming back?
by bleedsyankeeblue on Jan 14, 2012 9:09 PM EST reply actions
Jorge coming back would be awesome
Not for the team but for PSA, The posts and comments would be legendary and the site would probably crash.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
by YankeesJets on Jan 14, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
So with
Sabathia
Kurodo
Pineda
Garcia
Nova
between Burnett and Hughes who is more likely trade bait?
by bleedsyankeeblue on Jan 14, 2012 11:33 PM EST reply actions
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