Late Night Thoughts - Hiroki Kuroda, Michael Pineda, Jose Campos, and the New York Yankees
by 3460kuri on Jan 13, 2012 9:55 PM EST
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PrintSo much for Friday the 13th being unlucky! Here are my random thoughts from the craziest day of the offseason:
- Part of me is glad to see Jesus Montero go. I've repeated this ad naseum (and I will change the tagline at the end of my posts after this one last honorary hurrah), but with 1B and DH effectively blocked by older, more expensive players, his only place on this roster was as a catcher, something the Yankees brass never seemed that enthused about. Giving him the Jorge Posada treatment by easing him into full-time catching duties would have been a phenomenal waste - Posada didn't get 500 plate appearances until his 4th full season, and with Alex Rodriguez and Derek Jeter both on the wrong side of 35 and likely to need significant DH at-bats sooner rather than later, the odds were just far too high that Montero would wind up sitting on the bench during half of his cost-controlled years.
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if anyone has alcohol
Please, bring it unto me.
by long time listener on Jan 13, 2012 9:58 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
i have some green stuff
if that suffices
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
remember
Yankees have to wait until May to move Garcia without his permission. I’ve never seen a FA signing dealt prior to the clock expiring…but there is a first time for everything. If anyone knows of an example of this let me know.
Just a theory but...
The Kuroda signing on the heels of the Pineda trade suggests to me that the Yankees may be willing to eat enough of AJ’s salary to move him. Otherwise signing Kuroda seems wholly unnecessary. Just a hopeful theory.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jan 13, 2012 10:04 PM EST reply actions
There is still the question of who would take A.J.
"I want to be a catcher. I love to catch. I like to be a catcher. I like to be in the middle of the game. I mean, it's my position. I want to play my position."-Jesus Montero
Someone may think
AJ could flourish away from NY.
"I’m never really surprised, but I am thrilled sometimes." Joe G. 2010
The Indians took on Derek Lowe for when the Braves ate all but $5 million of his salary. The Marlins took on Carlos Zambrano and are only on the hook for $3 million of his salary.
Burnett is durable, and if the Yankees agree to eat, say, all but $8 million of his remaining contract, they should find some takers.
Jesus Montero has to be a full-time catcher, or the Yankees have to trade him. One or the other. Based on the age and contracts of the other players on this team, that's the only place he fits long-term on the Yankees roster.
can they trade him to Seattle for Jesus
That’s the only thing that would stop my tears.
by long time listener on Jan 13, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Is it about you loving Montero or hating the trade?
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loving Montero
I can’t shake the feeling this is like trading Jeter or Rivera in January 1996.
by long time listener on Jan 13, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
That was my first thought too. I think he’s going to be a great hitter, like multiple all stars great. Just think this deal makes sense for Yankees anyway.
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We'll buy him back...
…when Martin’s contract ends.
by jimitre on Jan 13, 2012 11:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah but in the long run...
If we traded Jeter or Rivera for Pedro Martinez in January of 96, I don’t think anyone would have minded in the long run. We’ll see how this shakes out, but I think this was a good swap for both teams.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jan 13, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Good luck Jesus
He was going to clog up the DH role and was suspect defensively, I like the move getting a young cost controlled MLB ready starter in Pineda. Now to complete this trade…. dump that headcase Burnett, all will be well in Yankeeville
I think this trade
Should lock the AL East for us this year, barring an unbelievable year of injuries.
Our young under control pitchers should keep us near or at the top for years to come.
Pineda
Nova
Hughes
Banuelos
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Wow.
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... profit.
Beware of thinking you won anything in January. Ask the 2011 World Series Champion Challenger to the 1927/1998 Yankees for Greatest Team Ever Red Sox about that.
by long time listener on Jan 13, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
With or without him, the Yankees will ALWAYS be near the top. AL. WAYS.
Phillies had an invincible rotation last year and look how far it got em.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 4:02 AM EST up reply actions
forget I said anything about Cespedes
he’s 0-6 with 4 Ks
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Jan 13, 2012 10:16 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Looking at BB-Ref
his 2011 season converted to Yankees stadium is basically AJ Burnett – 4.98 ERA, 9.11 K/9, 1.13 HR/9, 1.34 WHIP.
I’m liking this trade a little less than I was a little while ago.
by cookiedabookie on Jan 13, 2012 10:18 PM EST reply actions
Kuroda doesn't fair much better
3.99 ERA, 7.17 K/9, 1.25 HR/9, 1.45 WHIP
Yuck.
by cookiedabookie on Jan 13, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
i dont get it...
how are all of his peripherals significantly worse but his ERA is 1 run better?
Not sure
My guess would be that BB-Ref starts from raw ERA, and not FIP. So Kuroda outperformed his FIP by 0.71 points, whereas Pineda underperformed his FIP by 0.32 points. Because Kuroda was “lucky” and Pineda was “unlucky” that is where the difference comes in.
by cookiedabookie on Jan 13, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Not bad for a fourth starter.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
look at Pineda's peripherals from month to month
He was really good, probably better than the first half. He suffered from a low LOB% and a slightly elevated homer rate despite having GB% of 40%, 45%,46% respectively
FIP and xFIP says Pineda's ball park neutral numbers are solid
i tend to believe at more since i don’t see how a guy who walks only 2 per 9 and strikes out 9 per 9’s era can inflate that much moving to a smaller park.
Actually walked almost 3 per 9
He also had a pretty low BABIP last year, .258, which will regress. Add in the extra home runs that will occur, and he will not pitch as well as he did last year. However, he is still young, and still has great potential. He could be our number one by the end of CC’s contract.
by cookiedabookie on Jan 13, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
your just trying to find fault where there is none
his walk rate 2.89 that’s considered above average, and combine that with his 9.1 K per 9 this guy is already a #2 and will could potentially be a #1 caliber by the end of next season
oh
and his babip normalized in the last 3 months and his FIP and other peripherals were better than his first half
I wasn't finding fault, I was correcting your statement that he walked only 2 per 9
And I said “However, he is still young, and still has great potential. He could be our number one by the end of CC’s contract:”
So I like him, and I like the trade long-term, but I would not be surprised to see a near 5.00 ERA next year. This will cause Yankees fans to call him a bum, and deride the trade. I am just adjusting expectations for him next year.
by cookiedabookie on Jan 14, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Looks like I won’t see Jesus v. Lavernaway.
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the thing that's different
I apologize if this has been said before as I didn’t read through all 600 comments on the other post, but—
the thing that’s different about this day as opposed to the George Steinbrenner Yankees is that they didn’t trade Baby Jesus for an over-priced brand name player whose best years were behind him.
by 209209 on Jan 13, 2012 10:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
yay!
We didn’t do the shittiest thing ever!
by long time listener on Jan 13, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
well I'm old
I remember when Steinbrenner traded Rickey Henderson over personal problems and Don Mattingly said to the press, “Now I realize they’ll trade ANYONE around here” and proceeded to get a bad back from having the entire team placed on his shoulders.
Chapman’s trading young players for young players, it’s at least a new angle, haha
Curious to see what the Yankees do the "other" starters
Our bullpen is already very deep with Mo, D-Rob, Soriano, Joba, Wade, Logan, etc. At the moment, I would pencil in Garcia as the 5th starter, move Hughes to the bullpen (ugh), and try and dump AJ. With Mo nearing retirement and Soriano likely gone after this year, Hughes could have value in the bullpen in the future. But with all of the depth we currently have there, we would be wasting him this year. If anybody offers us a decent bat for Hughes, I would bite. But I just hate the idea of trading him while his value is so low.
I like your thought process about the rotation
I think if they dangle both AJ and Garcia it would probably be easier to get rid of Garcia because a) his makes much less and b) he had a far better 2011. They could actually possibly get something useful out of him, where as AJ would bring back nothing more than a bag of balls (and they’d be paying him anyways).
I don’t like the idea of sending Nova to Scranton though. He earned his spot last year. Hughes is the one that didn’t earn it, and while I’d like to give him another chance it may be best if he’s the one that goes to Scranton to start. What I’d do is Hughes to Scranton to be the first one up in case of injury or Burnett/Garcia ineffectiveness, and hopefully a rotation of CC-Pineda-Kuroda-Nova-Burnett/Garcia for 2012.
I still believe AJ can succeed here. I know I’ve said this before and I’m sorry if it doesn’t make sense to many of you or it bothers you, but I just would hate to give him up for nothing and pay him anyways. I’d much rather give up Garcia and give AJ one last shot just based on his ending to 2011 and a gut feeling. But if AJ isn’t a Yankee on opening day I’ll understand why.
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Choosing Hughes over Nova is more about service time than anything else. Hughes has two years of team control left, and his window is closing. I do believe he’s too talented to just relegate to the bullpen outright, but they are facing a pee or get off the pot situation with him in the rotation.
Jesus Montero has to be a full-time catcher, or the Yankees have to trade him. One or the other. Based on the age and contracts of the other players on this team, that's the only place he fits long-term on the Yankees roster.
by 3460kuri on Jan 13, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nova’s too talented to relegate to AAA.
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"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth
Hughes is also too talented to relegate to AAA, and he makes more money.
Jesus Montero has to be a full-time catcher, or the Yankees have to trade him. One or the other. Based on the age and contracts of the other players on this team, that's the only place he fits long-term on the Yankees roster.
he makes more money.
Barry Zito makes more than anyone in the Giants rotation, but does that mean he should get the nod of starter more than another more deserving pitcher?
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Barry Zito makes more than anyone in the Giants rotation, but does that mean he should get the nod of starter more than another more deserving pitcher?
It’s a complicated question. It really depends on how much better he is than the pitcher he’s blocking.
Obviously, either Burnett or Garcia is likely to be traded. Sending one of them to bullpen as a mop-up guy is functional impractical, and neither can be sent to the minors. Some team out there will need rotation help.
From there, if you compare Hughes and Nova based strictly on potential and upside, Hughes is the better pitcher, bar none. Yes, Nova was better 2011, but the numbers that Hughes put up during the first half of 2010 are worthy of a #2 starter. Money aside, I think you need to give the pitcher with the better upside the highest priority, so it doesn’t hurt that Hughes’ free agent clock is ticking and the Yankees will be paying him 8-10 times as much as Nova in 2012.
When you get to Nova and Garcia/Burnett, it gets a little more complicated. Nova is probably the best of the bunch, but by a much smaller margin (remember, he’s only got one full season under his belt, had iffy peripherals, and has yet to throw 200 innings in a season), so at this point I’m going to value depth more highly than the specific ranking of these pitchers. The Yankees will almost certainly need a 6th starter at some point this year, and since Nova can be stocked in the minors but Burnett/Garcia can’t, I’ll send Nova down to AAA simply to maintain depth.
Jesus Montero has to be a full-time catcher, or the Yankees have to trade him. One or the other. Based on the age and contracts of the other players on this team, that's the only place he fits long-term on the Yankees roster.
The numbers that Nova put up in the second half in are worthy of a #2 starter. Which is much more recent.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 14, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
Luving the trade
We get an excellent #2 starter and when Jesus is fully developed and ready to catch everyday we sign him to as a free agent since most other clubs won’t be able to sign him
this is how rotation should go
CC Pineda Kuroda Nova Hughes
were set, hows our DH situation going?
Go Rockets!
I think Hughes goes to the pen
Garcia probably gets the spot over Phil, and AJ will improbably be traded.
Start Nova in AAA??????????????
" Ivan Nova would go to Scranton and be ready as soon as somebody struggled or got injured."
I loved that post until i read that. Ivan Nova is part of this starting rotation, no questions asked. I’m not sure where you got that from. Garcia/Hughes/Burnett are in the running the 5th spot.
I must say, in the history of trades this must be one of the most confusing ones ever. Half LOVE it and half DESPISE it. It’s insanity.
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Retcon Punch: Lets all pretend Montero was never in our system
and Pineda was our prospect to being with:
Gee golly guys i can’t wait til the Yankees call up that Pineda guy this year. I heard he was a stud.
by lololol on Jan 13, 2012 10:55 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I can see AJ going to someplace like San Diego or LA
Big ballparks that can keep the many fly balls that AJ gives up in the park. Of course the Yanks will have to eat a TON of salary, but maybe there are some prospects or bench guys the Yanks like.
If we had Pineda all these years and traded him for Montero we would all hate it. We'd be like he can't defend, we traded for a DH!!!!!!!!!
When you step back and not overrate Yankee prospects, this deal is great for the Yanks.
DH for starting pitching????????? we need starting pitching what are they doing.
that’d be the reaction.
Agreed
Almost everybody besides Yankees fans LOVE this trade for us. Its just hard to see a future all-star in Montero traded right when it seemed like he was going to be a big part of our future. But Pineda is a great young pitched, and Campos is another excellent pitching prospect. The Yankees couldn’t turn a deal like this down.
I love the deal
It hurts because we lost Jesus, but we got a really good ace in the making with Pineda so for me the pain is lessened. I never would have guessed Pineda was available but he is not only cheap and under control for years, but he is a beast and on top of that we got another young monster upside pitching prospect as well.
We got a solid #2 pitcher, with the potential to become a legit ace
Considering teams were asking for Montero for mediocre starters nearing 30, I’m amazed we got Pineda for him. I think Montero will probably win rookie of the year, and its going to be hard to watch. But long term and short term, this was the right move for us. We gave up an elite DH prospect with a little bit of major league experience, for an elite pitching prospect with more major league experience. Not to mention, we also gave up Noesi for a much better pitching prospect. Great move by Cashman.
exactly how I feel
but I do think Jesus can be a catcher, but the bright side is that in 6 years we can bring Jesus back as a FA too
and I’m not losing sleep over Noesi he was decent but I didn’t like him that much
Ultimately...
It’s a lot easier to buy offense than it is to buy pitching. Even with aging stars at some positions, its unlikely that the Yankees will be hurting for offense anytime in the near future. They were hurting for starting pitching right now. My thought all off-season was that I’d only trade Montero for a young front-end starter. That’s what we got. Good deal.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jan 14, 2012 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
the fair trades
are the ones that hurt both teams, because they each had to give up something they want.
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 14, 2012 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
This is about wanting a prospect to be called your own
I personally wanted to be able to watch a players career throughout.
Or thinking that Montero would work better in our future than Pineda.
Pineda is a fine pitcher but our position players are old and may not be able to produce as well as they have in the near future. Montero had the chance to keep our offense near the top of the league for the forseeable future. I have faith that we would have been able to put together a solid rotation with all of our pitching prospects; I’m not sure the next few years we will be able to make up for the production we lost from trading Montero.
by Briceratops on Jan 13, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
i respectfully disagree
i get that its nice to see your own guys stay here, its more fun and all that but, this deal is defeinitely good for the yankees. finding hitters is soooo much easier to find. we have gary sanchez as well, he can maybe be one of those guys u talk about. we just happen to have lots of catcher depth….wait we didnt even view him as a catcher. so we traded a stud dh for a stud SP. the value difference in those 2 are HUGE.
The offense will be fine the next couple of years. Does it hurt to lose Jesus, of course. But, there are three other talented catchers in the system, especially Sanchez. Also, offense is easier to buy. Young talented pitching is THE commodity. When you have the chance to get it, you do it. Look at the Latos deal.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
Russell Martin is still manning the fort for the next couple seasons
So Romine will have his shot. This trade has gotta motivate Romine to pick it up at the plate and change scouts’ minds that regard Romine as to weak a hitter to hold a starting C spot. We’ll see.
Gary Sanchez too has time on his side. Perhaps he’ll be ready for the majors after another two full seasons in the minors … well, he’ll definitely be more mature.
Sanchez is still a teenager and he is having success. He has to grow up a bit but he has tremendous potential. I would like to see Romine start in AAA and show us what he has offensively. There will certainly be opportunity for him to be the #2 catcher this year.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
Wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for Romine’s bat to pick up
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jan 13, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
Romine will get to compete with Cervelli for the backup C spot this spring
But that’s probably his ceiling.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jan 14, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
He shouldn’t. He got absolutely clowned on in his short stint with the big club. I highly doubt he suddenly figured it out in the offseason.
He needs to play at least until September with SWB.
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jan 14, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
That’s his ceiling? Cervelli? No. Romine is lightyears from Montero’s bat potential but Romine could be an AJ Pierzynski, that’s his ceiling and it’s not bad at all.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Jan 14, 2012 1:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I respect that wish, but you can't
miss out on opportunities to improve team when they arrive. I wanted the Yanks to get Cliff Lee in ’10 because I thought he was the best short-term hope of getting the entire Core-Four one more ring. I wanted that just like you wanted to see your Baby Jesus be a life-long Yank.
Alas…. our wishes are not Cashman’s command. And maybe for the best.
CC for Miguel Cabrera?
who wins that trade? Hint: you say CC, you’re wrong.
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Hopy crap.
Am I going crazy, or does Manny make some sense now?
if he pays his time
and accepts a minor league deal, he could be a nice emergency call up veteran after injury
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It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
After how Nova performed ...
No ’effin way would Joe G. and the coaching staff be okay with demoting Nova back to AAA after 160 innings of performance that Hughes would DIE to give.
The ERA discrepancy is pretty gross, but their FIP/xFIP are relatively similar. That said, I’d take Nova being consistently good over the entire year over Hughes’ 6-week season.
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jan 14, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Hughes had a 4.25 FIP and 4.13 xFIP and was 2.5 WAR, Nova had a 4.01 FIP and a 4.16 xFIP was worth 2.7 WAR. Nova induced a lot more ground balls but Hughes missed way more bats and walked less batters…pretty comparable if you ask me.
Nova found his slider and pitched great at the end of the season. Hughes got much worse as the season went on.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 14, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
AJ for Soriano.
Prediction or Wishfull thinking??? Cubs want to rid themslves of Alfonso Soriano, and are willing to eat $$$ to do so. The Yankees are still trying to get rid of AJ, and will eat $$$$ to do so. Cubs are looking to trade Garza, and getting AJ would allow them to do so, and Soriano would be a great DH (who can sub in the field at times)for the Yankees. With Pineda and Kuroda onboard, even AJ must realize his stay in NY is about to end.
3 years, $54 million ... that's what Soriano has got left on his contract.
I’d rather keep AJ and his 2yr, 33 million commitment every day of the week.
Actually, I could see this happening
AJ and R. Soriano for A. Soriano and Marmol
$58 million over the next two years for 52.8 million over the next two, $18 mill in year 3. If the Cubs pay half of year 3 for A. Soriano, that would still be a net plus for us money-wise.
by cookiedabookie on Jan 13, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Couldn't see the Cubs doing that
Because Marmol’s actually valuable so he doesn’t belong in a deal like this.
Soriano’s just bad at this point in his career. It makes more sense to just release AJ than to trade him and take Soriano back.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jan 14, 2012 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
Marmol had a pretty shitty year last year
And is getting older and more expensive ($16.8 million over the next two years). I actually think Soriano is better than Marmol, but at a higher cost, so this helps even out the money a bit more.
by cookiedabookie on Jan 14, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
The fact that we have Larry Rothschild makes this trade better
he is one of the best pitching coaches in the league. Imagine what Pineda can become with him teaching him.
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Do you guys think there are any odds of the Yankees trying to bring Fielder in to DH? I know you just said that the DH role is clogged by an aging left side of the infield, but with so few takers, is it a place the Yankees should/could be in?
Not unless he takes a 3 year deal or less
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Not a bad deal..Yankees look good for this season,$ Cole Hammels is the target next offseason
by yankeesfan1325* on Jan 13, 2012 11:43 PM EST reply actions
DH
Now we need a DH…expect Vladdi & Pena’s name to show up more now.
by yankeesfan1325* on Jan 13, 2012 11:44 PM EST reply actions
Pena's unfortunately a likely scenario
Seeing as the Yankees claimed him last August.
Outside of 2010 he’s a fairly decent offensive force but only being able to play 1b he gives us zero flexibility. We’d be much better off with a part-time left-handed DH who can play some outfield or some 3b.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jan 14, 2012 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
Holy shit I must be more exhausted than I thought
I saw “Pena” and immediately thought you meant Ramiro Pena.
I’m just now getting my blood pressure back to a normal level.
re: Hughes vs. Nova
I think we’ll have to see how they do in spring training.
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by In The Big Inning on Jan 13, 2012 11:46 PM EST reply actions
So do we need
another catcher?
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by In The Big Inning on Jan 13, 2012 11:48 PM EST reply actions
Don't think so
We got Martin and Romine…
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by DarthYankee on Jan 13, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
So…we need another catcher
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jan 13, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Cervelli?
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by In The Big Inning on Jan 13, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Hahahaha
Oh yeah, and him…
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by DarthYankee on Jan 13, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
Sure, why not. He’s putting up Romine numbers in the majors so they may as well use him.
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jan 13, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, Passan makes sense?
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-passan_trade_yankees_mariners_pineda_montero_011312
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if you honestly don't like the pineda trade, read this
How good might Michael Pineda be? Here are just a few tidbits to chew on:
• This guy whiffed 173 hitters in 171 innings last year. And you know how many starters in the history of the Yankees have averaged better than a strikeout an inning over a full season? How about TWO: Roger Clemens in 2002 and David Cone twice (1997 and 1998).
• Those 173 strikeouts and that 9.1 strikeouts-per-nine-innings ratio came in a season in which Pineda pitched at 22 years old. Want to guess how many right-handed pitchers in the history of the American League ever had that many punchouts and that good a strikeout ratio at age 22 or younger? Exactly one: Dave Boswell (barely), for the 1966 Twins.
• Pineda’s average fastball whooshed along at 94.7 miles per hour last year, according to FanGraphs. The only starting pitchers in the big leagues who topped that were Alexi Ogando (95.1), Justin Verlander (95.0) and David Price (94.8).
• And Pineda generated a fabulous 24.2 swing-and-miss percentage last year, according to FanGraphs. The only pitchers in either league who did better than that were Tim Lincecum (24.9), Brandon Morrow (24.6), Cole Hamels (24.6) and Mat Latos (24.5).
by cermolaNY2 on Jan 14, 2012 12:09 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Saw this on ESPN
Also can add this:
- Lastly, this is a great list. Here are the most strikeouts in their Age 22 season or younger in the Divisional Era (since 1969):
1984 Dwight Gooden (276)
1998 Kerry Wood (233)
1969 Tom Griffen (200)
1986 Bobby Witt (174)
2011 Michael Pineda (173)
by FruDaGod2010 on Jan 14, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
On the other hand, how many of those guys took their team to a title, or where even still decent pitchers 4 years later?
I’m really, really scared of Pineda because he could very well be AJ 2.0: 2 pitches, lots of Ks, short outings, and many bad days.
Two articles that will assuage your doubts Re: Pineda
"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth
id send hughes to the minors before Nova
Hideki Matsui: "Kick ass. Pop champagne. And get some ho's."
So would I but Hughes has Cashman solidly in his corner
He will get every chance to make this club. I wouldnt be opposed to Hughes as a long man in the pen.
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Yeah, I would be stunned if Nova was sent back to the minors
He should be locked into the #4 spot.
No one should be locked into a spot except for Sabathia and Pineda
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Kuroda better have a spot too
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True
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Disagree
He didn’t lose a game after the all-star break. He shouldn’t have to compete with Hughes, Garcia, and Burnett.
Yes, he should, that’s how pitchers lose their motivation and whatnot. D-Rob said he doesn’t expect to have a guaranteed spot this year.
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It can be a "competition"
But even if one or two of those guys out pitches Nova in spring training, they still shouldn’t get a rotation spot ahead of him. After the season he had last year, I don’t think he needs to prove himself. Unless he is getting absolutely bombed, he should be part of the rotation.
What the heck is the point of a competition if its already decided?
More than likely Nova will get a spot but if AJ is still on this team, his contract will guarantee him a spot.
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I don't want AJ on the team
I prefer Nova to Hughes, and I think Garcia should be our 5th starter. I don’t think there is any need for a competition. We pretty much know what we have.
AJ will be on this team unless Yanks are going to eat a ton of salary
AJ has let us down at times but he would probably be the best #5 pitcher in baseball. Not so sure he doesnt still have some value to Yanks.
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I've never been a fan of AJ
I would prefer a consistent pitcher like Garcia as our 5th starter. I would get rid of AJ, even if it means eating most of his contract. We already know that Nova and Garcia can be consistently good starting pitchers, and Hughes has had a lot of success out of the bullpen. I just don’t see any room for Burnett on this team.
I prefer AJ to Garcia but its really a moot point as I think AJ is a goner
I just hope its to the NL because he always did his best against our hitters. Last think I want to see is AJ having big games against us on our dime.
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thing not think,lol
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I think he is gone as well
And I think he will have success on an NL team. I don’t like having a mediocre pitcher making a ton of money, because it gives him an unfair edge in any competition, and pretty much guarantees him a rotation spot.
The money thing is pretty much the problem in sports today
Even if a guy stinks he still keeps his spot because of his bloated contract. Ive never been as down on AJ as most Yanks fans but now might be the time to move him.
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he would probably be the best #5 pitcher in baseball.
You mean as far as “talent”? Because his actual numbers and the “hmmm, are we gonna win or lose behind this guy today” factor would still look alot like a bunch of other #5’s in baseball.
remember the "competition" last year?
garcia versus colon… remember who won that, going into the season?
ours not to question why…
by sing_or_die_1818 on Jan 15, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
I think the #4 spot is Nova's to lose
I think Hughes and Garcia will battle for the other spot. As far as AJ goes, i have a feeling he is getting moved. Yes, they will eat money and someone will take him. He isnt any worse than Zambrano or Lowe and they had takers. Maybe they move AJ to a team for an up and coming 3B spect for when ARod moves to DH.
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I think Hughes could be moved to pen, either way they have to decide before spring training because moving guys around after always fails, as player gets mentally dejected for the first couple weeks, these guys all have pride and taking one to the chin sucks.
That being said I wouldn’t mind Hughes as the number 5 but if he struggles, going to the pen will not help him, it is a tough choice but luckily that is probably our hardest one : )
by FruDaGod2010 on Jan 14, 2012 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
Garcia is the one guy I dont want to see in the pen
He doesnt have the kind of stuff you want coming out of the pen.
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true
I was just thinking, if you have an overabundance of starting pitchers, put the old guy in the pen where he’ll pitch fewer innings.
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by In The Big Inning on Jan 14, 2012 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
You put the younger guy with the better stuff in the pen
The old guy starts the game and puts the hitters to sleep, then the young guy comes in and throws gas which the hitters dont catch up to. Other way around and its batting practice.
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i was thinking more of a long relief situation
Like when AJ sucks after 2 innings and you need someone to give you 4 or 5 solid innings.
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by In The Big Inning on Jan 14, 2012 2:15 AM EST up reply actions
Nah, Garcia would be serving up meatballs out there
That smoke and mirrors stuff doesnt work well out of the pen.
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I think Garcia is in the pen
Isn’t that where he started out last season?
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by In The Big Inning on Jan 14, 2012 1:29 AM EST reply actions
I think it was Colon that started out in the pen
Garcia in the pen is useless, unless he is gonna be a mop. That wouldnt make any sense at all.
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Freddy started last season drinking tequila off a hooker's stomach
Oh we’re talking about Freddy Garcia?
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you're cracking me up!!
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by In The Big Inning on Jan 14, 2012 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
Oh I thought they both started there
Whatever happened to Big Bart, anyway?
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by In The Big Inning on Jan 14, 2012 1:36 AM EST reply actions
He pooped the bed in the second half and no one wants to touch him afterwards
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LOL!!!!
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by In The Big Inning on Jan 14, 2012 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
signed with the A's on a 1-year flyer...
i wish black bart and his big belly much luck… and many more burritos to come…
by sing_or_die_1818 on Jan 15, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
What did you expect to get for him? Lincecum?
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Dunno
But I was thinking, before they went elsewhere, we’d try to trade him for Gio or Cain, or some other bigger name.
Romine!
Pineda is a big name. Gio would have cost more
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Better than trading him for some aging vet like Carpenter
Pineda throws gas and has huge upside. If they were going to trade Montero, this was the right move to make.
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Unless M’s management lost their minds and went Montero-for-Felix straight up…
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by DownGoesAvery on Jan 14, 2012 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
They were offered Montero and both of the Killer Bs for Felix and said no
I think Ms shouldve taken that deal over this one, but glad they didnt.
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Well, that’s about what I thought it’d take to move Felix: 3 elite prospects. I guess that’s Seattle’s way of saying there’s no trading Felix.
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by DownGoesAvery on Jan 14, 2012 1:56 AM EST up reply actions
Ive never been a big Felix fan, so Im happier we got Pineda and kept the Bs
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Hey, the worst thing that could happen if Felix was a Yankee is that the Yanks couldn’t lose to him anymore.
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by DownGoesAvery on Jan 14, 2012 2:00 AM EST up reply actions
True, but I doubt we ever see the day where Felix is a Yankee
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I get all this
I just think they could have gotten more, especially with Noesi included. don’t get me wrong, I’m not disappointed like many here are, just thought we’d get a more established starter.
Romine!
Folks trying to look at stats and fit it into Yankee stadium
I think the type of park you’re in would effect the way you pitch more than the stats can show. Probably throw less fastballs in YS than you would in Safeco. Adjustments get made, etc. Judging his season outlook in January seems a little farfetched.
I guess the trade itself, on paper, looks good. I know everyone in the NYY organization loved Montero and wanted to wait for the right opportunity to trade him, and well, I guess this is it. The Yanks didn’t get Felix back, and I think that’s what annoys some people.
The thing that confuses me is why sign Kuroda and Garcia just to add Pineda? Perhaps there’s another trade coming with Hughes/Banuelos/Betances?
The other thing is that Pineda now goes from the huge Safeco Field to a small Yankee Stadium. On the flip side, Montero goes from the short porch at YS to the massive Safeco. It’ll affect both players.
I’ll miss Montero. I’m not sure there’s really a position for him on the Yankees, but it’s still hard to see such a talent leave.
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Garcia was added as insurance
As last years Red Sox team proves, you can never have too much depth at SP.
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I don't think the Yanks really expected to land Pineda
the rumor is that they tried to offer up for Felix but the Mariners rebuffed with a Pineda trade. Also Ball park neutral numbers rates Pineda decently.
Nova anyone??
Am I the only one who hasn’t forgotten Ivan nova? How can you NOT give him a start in the rotation with the performance he had last year?
by Trev Lawson on Jan 14, 2012 1:57 AM EST via mobile reply actions
He was the #2 playoff starter last October. He’ll be in the rotation. It’s a matter of whether Garcia makes the team or between Hughes and A.J.
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by DownGoesAvery on Jan 14, 2012 1:59 AM EST up reply actions
Garcia will make the team. it all depends on what happens with AJ
Yanks arent sending him to the pen with that contract.
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Maybe A.J. won’t be on the team at all…
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by DownGoesAvery on Jan 14, 2012 2:03 AM EST up reply actions
Sending him to the Pirates would be cruel,lol
Thats like a baseball wasteland.
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I would send him over there for Daniel Murphy
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Not that the Yankees have ever dumped pitchers in Pittsburgh before…
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by DownGoesAvery on Jan 14, 2012 2:06 AM EST up reply actions
We need Garcia to be the 5th starter
and get rid of AJ. This way we can be the first team ever with a starting rotation whose pitchers names all end in “a”….
Romine!
Who forgot about Nova?
Nova did a nice job for Yanks but he isnt Kuroda or Pineda. He should be the #4 if everything works out correctly.
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I agree
No way you can give Burnett or Hughes a rotation spot over him.
Thats exactly what might happen though
Hughes is probably in the pen, but AJ is either going to be in the rotation, or off this team altogether. There’s no bullpen or minor leagues for him. And if AJ is on this team on opening day, he will be a part of the starting rotation even if it means no Nova or Hughes.
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The general consensus amongst other teams’ fans is that the Yankees won the deal by a lot.
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Its way to early to judge this deal but I like the Yanks end of the deal alot
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Thats good to hear
We tend to be pretty negative about trading away our top prospects, after watching what happened during the mid-2000’s. This was an interesting trade, because it wasn’t affected by salary. Both teams just swapped top prospects, in order to fit the teams needs.
Oh really?
Guess what? We always fucking win. That’s the point. That’s why getting Pineda for Montero doesn’t fucking matter, because WE ALWAYS WIN. We would’ve been on top of the AL East with or without Pineda, with or without Jesus. HOWEVER, because of the bullshit narrative that the Yankees were doomed without another #2 pitcher, whatever the crossfuck that means anyway, and the fact there can be NO DOUBT ABOUT OUR SUPERIORITY, we go and do this. All the Cashman talk about untradeables are fucking horseshit and anyone who believes it is a goddamn moron. All the organization’s asswanking about possibly cutting the payroll down is also pinstriped floundershit! They will do whatever it takes to “guarantee victory” every year, no matter the goddamn cost no matter the untradable prospect. If the Phillies proved anything last year is that anything can happen in a 5 game series no matter the rotation you have. They made it no farther than we did with our decent makeshift rotation. THANK. FUCKING. GOD. we got a #2 starter now. GUARANTEED. FUCKING. VICTORY.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 4:13 AM EST up reply actions
If the Phillies proved anything last year is that anything can happen in a 5 game series no matter the rotation you have
And anything can happen in a 5 game series no matter the lineup you have.
So because their pitching managed to get them by in 2011, you don’t try to improve?
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You're missing the point
The point is that with or without Pineda, we make it. With or without Montero, we make it. We always make it except due to injury. We actually already had pitching depth if you consider Phelps & Warren (I’d say Noesi but no point now), plus we just resigned Garcia and then we gave Kuroda a year. Considering the pitching depth we had, the fact that not one catcher we have can hit as well as Montero, our other primary hitters are aging, and considering the fact that our organization treats pitching prospects like shit (good luck Cantos), somehow pitching is ALWAYS our fucking problem. It’ll be the same thing next year and the year after that and the year after that until they finally have a #1 starting pitching every day for them and then they’ll still lose in the playoffs because it’s a fucking crapshoot.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
I get that they make the playoffs regardless but offense is always much easier to acquire than quality pitching. Also Granderson & Cano are leading the way offensively for the immediate future, what’s bad about that? They’re in their prime. Are you worried about after their prime? Cano won’t even be in his age-35 season until 2018, which is wayyyy down the road.
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Not with this team it isn't
The only reason we didn’t acquire a quality pitching last year is because he didn’t want to come here, and as shown quality pitchers still don’t guarantee you victory, and we seemingly have quality pitching coming up, and I say seemingly because we’ve seen how this franchise treats up-incoming quality pitchers, which is why I don’t really give a flying, driving, or swimming fuck about Cantos. Hitting may be easier to acquire, but we didn’t actually have to really acquire it this time. We really didn’t need to acquire pitching much more than what we could’ve signed for a year or two. I’m not saying this is a bad trade. I just don’t see the need to give up our potentially top prospect rookie hitter for a top prospect rookie pitcher when we actually had pitching depth, other than the classic Yankee mentality of WIN NOW NO MATTER THE COST.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 14, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
fuck every single one of them
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by Rorschach44 on Jan 14, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Passan says we went from "playoff hopefuls" to World Series contenders" with this trade
^ Read it!
It’s good and should lift the spirits of those who are disappointed with the trade.
Romine!
If Pineda masters his change up
he’ll be a good lock as an ace. He already kills righties and while his numbers vs lefties aren’t bad, a change up will be the icing.
I'd rather have Pineda than Montero
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NOVA
why send him back to the minors , he is a 3rd or 4th starter and going down would kill his spirit for sure.
What can he prove in Scranton? He proved himself in NY last season.
Here is a link to an audio clip of Pineda speaking about his season
http://mynorthwest.com/374/553386/Michael-Pineda-looks-back-at-his-rookie-season
You can tell that he loves baseball. I think he is going to be a great fit in NY. Its sad to see Montero go, but this team is loaded with talented young pitching. I’m not sure when the last time was that we could say that about a Yankees team.
I hate to see Jesus go...
…but I think right now this looks like a good move for the Yanks – on paper. But just like every trade, only time will tell.
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if you read posts on other sites, espn, fox,cbs, etc….people are pissed b/c they think the yanks robbed the mariners. they are wondering what the hell the mariners front office is thinking trading a stud like pineda for a couple of prospects. i was a bit upset at first b/c i was interested to see how montero was going to turn out (and i think he’s gonna be real good) but the chance to get a 22 yr potential ace is just too difficult to turn down. jesus wasn’t ever going to catch (in the yanks opinion), and i think he would be upset being a career dh. the rotation, and bullpen, will be a huge strength for this team (hughes, joba, robertson, soriono, rivera, and garcia for a long man) will shut opponents down. not needing basically 3 catchers on the roster again will also help. They can address DH with a few 1 yr possibilities, VLAD, Pena, Damon, or possibly Vazquez who is a 1B/3B in AAA who mashed 32 hr last year. Cashman continues show why is one of the best gm’s in baseball.
The more I think about it the more I love this deal
I think about the context compared to other deals that have been made this year…
Mat Latos is 24 years old – he’s under team control for 4 years. Last year, he had a 3.16 FIP, a 1.18 WHIP and an 8.57 K:9
Gio Gonzalez is 26 years old – he’s under team control for 4 years. Last year he had a 3.64 FIP,, a 1.32 WHIP and an 8.78 K:9.
Trevor Cahill is 24 years old (by opening day). He’’s under team control for 6 years.. Last year, he had a 4.10 FIP, a 1.43 WHIP and a 6.37 K:9.
Michael Pineda is 23 years old (by opening day). He’s under team control for 5 years. Last year he had a 3.42 FIP, a 1.10 WHIP and a 9.11 K:9.
I think it’s fair to say that we got the best pitcher of this group, or at least the guy with the highest ceiling. The other three all brought back packages that included multiple high-end prospects. While Montero is the best prospect traded in any of these deals, he was all we gave up really, besides a back end starter prospect in Noesi, and we got another kid in return. To get any of the other three pitchers we would have to have given up not only Montero, but also one of Banuelos and Betances, and probably more. For Latos, the Reds dealt 2 high-ceiling position players, a talented major league starter and a future closer.
As much as I like Montero and as much as I think he’s going to be a star, I love the fact that we gave up one guy, and that we didn’t have to gut the system. If the M’s had “shopped” Pineda they probably could have gotten a Latos-like deal for hm.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jan 14, 2012 8:16 AM EST up reply actions
young pitchers
In ny…for the first time…….i want to be optimistic..i really do…cause i love this team….but they f***** up on this in my opinion…dont lke this at all….not at all….
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by NYYWinsRings27 on Jan 14, 2012 8:41 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Pettitte was a young pitcher in NY for the first time, how’d he turn out?
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Mike Piazza was a great hitting young catcher how did he turn out?
You are comparing apples to oranges.
Aren't they both fruits?
They grow on trees…they have seeds…they both have a juice named after them…they’re both roundish…
Romine!
…no I’m not. The OP was complaining about how young pitchers fare in NY for the first time. I gave an example of a young pitcher faring well. This is not unreasonable.
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I'm shocked that a rebuilding team would trade this guy
I know the Mariners need offense, but young pitching is the cornerstone of most teams.
by upstateNYYFan1984 on Jan 14, 2012 8:56 AM EST reply actions
they have plenty of pitching in their system
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Could Prince be on the horizon?
Not for one minute have I ever believed that the Yankees are concerned about luxury taxes. They care about winning. I have heard it for the last 2 or 3 seasons how DH ABs were being saved for Jeter and ARod. I just ain’t buying it. Better to give those guys total rest. Prince at DH in Yankee Stadium. Oh my!!!
Say no to Pena
I’ve also read at MLBTR, that the Yankees may now be interested in Carlos Pena. I’ve always liked Pena, but the Yankees don’t need a .225 hitter to go with Texeira who, over the last two seasons, can’t figure out how to hit above .250. Having them at the 5 and 6 holes with a streaky ARod at #4 would be a disaster. I’d almost rather see them bring back Damon who at least will hit 20 homers and bat .275 to be DH.
BATTING AVERAGE FOREVER
PS dude’s OBP is always 100 points higher than his BA, dude. He wouldn’t be 6 hole either, are you nuts? He’d fill Jorge’s spot, 7th at best.
If AJ makes this rotation....
….someone needs to get fired.
The rotation that gives you the best chance to win, on paper, is CC, Pineda, Kuroda, Nova and Hughes. Garcia is your security blanket in the pen.
AJ is on the outside, looking in. Either you dump his salary, or you waste a roster spot and send him to the pen, too.
All that assuming Hughes comes in to ST in better shape, and with some of his velocity back (hitting 92 to 93).
Basically, Hughes and AJ should be battling for spot 5. 1-4 should be set, barring injury or a horrid ST from Nova.
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