Is Edwin Jackson The Most Underrated Pitcher In Baseball?
Un - der - ra - ted (adverb)
-Something or someone that deserves more respect than people will allow.
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We recently found out that Scott Boras met with the Yankees to discuss Edwin Jackson. The details of this meeting have yet to be released, so it's impossible to say whether this was simply a matter of fulfilling everybody's due diligence, or if there is legitimate interest on the Yankees' part.
The reaction to this news here on Pinstripe Alley was mixed, which really doesn't come as much of a surprise, but after taking a closer look, it seems that Edwin Jackson is certainly a candidate for the title of most underrated pitcher in baseball, if not the outright winner. He's not an ace, but he is better than people give him credit for, actually quite a bit better. A quick scan of the Fangraphs leaderboards shows that since the beginning of the 2009 season, he ranks 20th among starting pitchers in total WAR and 17th in innings, ahead of guys like Josh Beckett, Mark Buerhle, and Roy Oswalt. His ERA and FIP over that time have been a solid 7-8% better than league average over that time as well.
For somebody heading into his age-28 season with these kind of numbers and no history of injuries, the tepid interest from both the Yankees and the rest of baseball is rather suprising. Jackson has been traded so many times, six to be exact, in the past four seasons that some teams must sense trouble, but with no injury history or reputation as a bad clubhouse guy, I don't know how much water this explanation really holds. Furthermore, while GMs are certainly put off by his agent Scott Boras, most of them swallow their pride and eventually get down to business if they like one of the players he represents, so that explanation goes out the window as well.
Edwin Jackson is not an ace, but he'd instantly become the Yankees second-best starting pitcher given his age and recent history. He's at least as good as Roy Oswalt and Hiroki Kuroda, but he's young enough that he should be able to sustain that success for a few seasons. GMs and owners accross baseball might not aspire to having him as their de facto #2, but in the absence of a real number #2, Brian Cashman and the Steinbrenners should realize that they could do much worse.
Even something as long and expensive as a 4 year/$48 million contact would only take Jackson through his age-31 season, and with 5% salary inflation, he'd only need to put up about 9 fWAR to be worth the contract. Based on his recent performance, there's a pretty good chance he'd actually provide the Yankees surplus value over the life of the deal - how many times do we get to say that about a multi-year free agent contract?
Clearly, the unknown variable here is the status of the 2014 payroll, but if the Yankees truly intend to stay beneath the luxury tax threshold, they're going to need to get surplus value somewhere. Jackson is likely to provide that at a salary which shouldn't take up more than 6-7% of the $189 million threshold, and he's far more of a sure thing than any other pitcher besides CC Sabathia that's currently in the organization.
I don't see the downside here.
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I'm not against Jackson
I’d love to see him in the Yankee rotation. I think the thing repelling a lot of teams is probably Scott Boras’ demand. And with the lack of interest that should eventually come down.
I don’t see the Yankees getting him though. If they really want to trim payroll then they might not want to give more than 10 million a year for Edwin Jackson, who does have his flaws. Especially if it’s for 4+ years.
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by nyyrocks29 on Jan 13, 2012 12:32 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
It's all just a game
The Yankees are obviously making it sound like they’re on some sort of budget. They can go out and sign anyone they wish, but they’re playing the system to get prices to come down just like Boras is playing the system to drive salaries up. In the end, I still believe that Jackson is not consistent enough to be worth 15M/year.
I like Hiroki Kuroda, Roy Oswalt, and Edwin Jackson in that order.
Its not thing against Jackson, just prefer a one year solution and leave the Yanks with enough wiggle room to blank check Hamels, possibly.
if that's the option
I’d much rather pay Jackson. Blank checking Hamels would be a terrible idea.
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It would be
I don’t understand why people want to hand Hamels a blank check. Sign him, sure, but for whatever money he wants? No.
Maybe blank check are a bad choice of words.
The idea of signing Hamels still stands if available.
by E-ROC on Jan 13, 2012 6:40 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Were we suppose to clap 5 times after you said un-der-ra-ted?
Cause I did!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 13, 2012 12:52 PM EST reply actions
You make a lot of good points there,
Yes, that is Mike Marra.
by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 13, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly what I was thinking.
Just say NO to EJax
by OldYankee Fan on Jan 13, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
I'd say Randy Wolf...
…is more underrated. With this said, Ejax is pretty high on my list.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 13, 2012 1:01 PM EST reply actions
Psh, only because Jim Wolf has all his buddies cut him a break.
by MichaelGGBGrabow on Jan 13, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Nova?
Nova might be more underrated too. Never a top prospect. Most assume regression. I know lots of Yanks fans like him, but I don’t think many consider him amongst the best young arms in the game, and I do.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 13, 2012 1:16 PM EST reply actions
Less than a hit per inning only once in the last 5 years. While some teams will suck it up and let him slog through a rough game (allowing him to reach ~200 innings each of the last 3 seasons), I see nothing in Girardi’s management that suggests to me that he would allow Jackson to pitch that way. We’ll see a lot of Cory Wade in the 4th inning.
Jackson may be underrated in the sense of raw baseball production, but that doesn’t make him a good fit for our team.
18 QSs Last Year
He’s evolved more than usual the past 5 years. I don’t think averaging his performance over this period is an accurate reflection of his skills. Your point still has validity for me, just saying.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 13, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Last year he kept his BB/9 down and still posted a 1.4 WHIP, with more than 10 H/9. H/9 increased each year since 2009. I’d really hesitate to give him more than a 2 year deal.
While he is underrated
He’s also overrated in his underrated-ness. People think he sucks, but he’s pretty decent, not great, decent. A 1 year deal is one thing, but trusting him over several years in the AL East in Yankee Stadium makes me a little wary based on the numbers you have provided. I also agree that with the way Girardi manages and New York’s expectations, Jackson would not provide as much value as he could to a non-contender/fringe-contender.
Forget Jackson
Last year opposing players batted about .290 vs E-Jax, and that includes time in the NL where he got to face pitchers and weak hitters. Clearly there’s nothing filthy about his stuff anymore, so why bother dumping Boras-type money on him rather than letting the younger guys battle it out until someone steps up?
Durability
He’s basically a robot that throws upper 90s fastballs until someone tells him to stop.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 13, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
NL Performance
Minus the last game, I think he had a sub 3 ERA going in the NL. SSS, I know. Just saying. The reason he’s been traded so many times, is he tantalizes when his slider is sharp.
When the slider is working, he can be electric.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 13, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
I'm surprised a fringe team hasn't locked him up for a few year considering his age
He could dominate in the NL: Reds, Diamondbacks, Pirates, Marlins could all take a stab at him. I think Jackson’s desire for a long term deal is the real turnoff.
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The asking prices have come down significantly for veteran FA starters: Oswalt (said to be at $8m), Kuroda (10-11m), Edwin Jackson.
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@mikedaniels48 Yep — my guess is that the Yankees land a starting pitcher sometime in the next 10 days, maybe Jackson.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 13, 2012 2:06 PM EST reply actions
I'd rather get Kuroda or Oswalt on a one year deal
At least it looks like they’re going to do something. Kind of feel bad for Hughes though, because if a deal happens he may have seen his career as a starter for the Yankees come to an end.
Which makes me wonder once again why they brought back Garcia…
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
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Oswalt still scares me. I don't care if its one year.
We still could be paying him to stay in the hospital.
Either Jackson or Oswalt
on a 1 Year deal works for me. Or 1 year with team option.
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by tnredneckyankeesfan on Jan 13, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Breaking wind
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Breaking: The Texas #Rangers are meeting today with Prince Fielder at Dallas-area hotel. Stay tuned #mlb
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 13, 2012 4:00 PM EST reply actions
I just broke wind myself
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Silent or loud?
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 13, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
it sounded like a frog ate a cricket
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Best quote of this article on the Yankees’ pitching situation:
The Yankees are playing it cool right now. They don’t need to panic. They aren’t knee-deep in sewage, desperately needing a plumber. But their teenage son keeps flushing potatoes down the toilet because him and his punk friends think it’s funny. They’re right to think that they should be a little proactive.
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"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth
Not sure if serious…
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 13, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions

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