Pinstripe Alley New York Yankees Hall of Fame: The Candidates
by Brandon C. on Jan 12, 2012 9:30 AM EST
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PrintAlright folks, let's try to make some progress in the Hall of Fame series! Here are the rules I have come up with as of now:
-No current players allowed in. Jeter, Rivera, etc can be let in after they retire.
-Automatics will be Hall of Famers with at least seven seasons in a Yankees uniform
-No players with less than four seasons in a Yankees uniform allowed in?
-Please comment any players you would like to be candidates, please, please no joke players. That means no Steve Sax!
-I will figure out a way to narrow down the candidates after I have all of them. Feel free to nominate as many deserving candidates as you want.
-If someone already posted a candidate you thought of, please do not repost the same player.
-Here are the automatics as of now, if you have a problem with an automatic, please comment so, and why.
Yogi Berra, Earle Combs, Bill Dickey, Joe DiMaggio, Whitey Ford, Lou Gehrig, Lefty Gomez, Waite Hoyt, Willie Keeler, Tony Lazzeri, Mickey Mantle, Herb Pennock, Phil Rizzuto, Red Ruffing, Babe Ruth, Dave Winfield.
Managers will not be voted in in this process, so please do not nominate managers. Thank you.
Comment away, and if you have any suggestions comment them or email me!
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A Few
Bernie Williams
Wille Randolph
Graig Nettles
Reggie Jackson
Allie Reynolds
Don Mattingly
by stusviews on Jan 12, 2012 9:46 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Thurman Munson
Ron Guidry
Sparky Lyle
Romine!
by david d on Jan 12, 2012 9:52 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Jorge Posada (assuming he is actually retired)
Andy Pettitte
Rickey Henderson (if four seasons is the cut-off; he actually played about four and one third seasons)
by long time listener on Jan 12, 2012 9:55 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Gossage and Elston Howard
by Kansas Yankee on Jan 12, 2012 10:04 AM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
David Cone
Mike Mussina
"He needs to pitch in a higher league, if there is one. Ban him from baseball. He should be illegal."
—Tom Kelly, manager of Minnesota Twins, after his team faced Rivera
Gojirra
Or his English name, Hideki Matsui
"He needs to pitch in a higher league, if there is one. Ban him from baseball. He should be illegal."
—Tom Kelly, manager of Minnesota Twins, after his team faced Rivera
by DarthRichter on Jan 12, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dave Righetti
"He needs to pitch in a higher league, if there is one. Ban him from baseball. He should be illegal."
—Tom Kelly, manager of Minnesota Twins, after his team faced Rivera
by DarthRichter on Jan 12, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Joe Gordon (should be automatic, I think – HoFer and exactly 7 seasons as a Yankee)
Roy White
Mel Stottlemyre
Frankie Crosetti
Roger Maris
Charlie Henrich, Bob Shawkey, Billy Martin, Joe Gordon, Joe Page, Jack Chesbro (automatic?).
Allie Reynolds. Jim “Catfish” Hunter (automatic?)
If anybody doesn’t know any of the players I have suggested, I would be happy to explain why I nominated them.
by designatedquitter on Jan 12, 2012 10:26 AM EST reply actions
Explain Billy Martin.
Isn’t that like saying Bucky Dent?
by Kansas Yankee on Jan 12, 2012 12:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And now some negatives
I like the automatic qualification standard, but I think Herb Pennock and Waite Hoyt are among the weakest inductees into Cooperstown. Their Yankee years are among their best, but they might merit some discussion. Chesbro would be in the same boat, if he’s added to the automatic list.
Willie Keeler is almost the exact opposite. He was a great player, but his Yankee years weren’t his most spectacular. He might also be worth talking about.
Not saying I couldn’t be convinced of their cases, but I’d like to be convinced. Pennock and Hoyt are closer to my Yankee Hall of Fame than Keeler or Chesbro.
I think the automatic should be 10 years as a Yankee not 7
I think anyone on the team that long would be guaranteed to have had several of their prime years here.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jan 12, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
I propose that we hold a recall on any automatic inductees
If at least two people think a given player should not be in, we hold a recall election on that player.
One independent person writes an argument in favor of the player’s induction, while a second independent person writes an argument against that player’s induction. Neither of these are the people to called for the recall.
Then we vote on the player’s induction.
Anyone else in favor of this idea?
If that were the case,
the only one I’d actually nominate is Keeler. Looking at some quick numbers makes Hoyt and Pennock look much better in the YHoF than the regular one. Chesbro is further away, but not worth arguing about. Especially with that one 41 win season.
Keeler, on the other hand, was pretty close to a league-average player while he was a Yankee.
Like Bauer
What do people think about Moooooose Skowron
Hmmmm will have to come up with an idea to narrow this down so I don’t write 40 posts about this!
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by Brandon C. on Jan 12, 2012 12:15 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Decades (or eras)? Positional grouping? Get nominators to write posts (pleasedon’tchoosethis, pleasedon’tchoosethis, pleasedon’tchoosethis)?
There’s only about 4 or 5 guys named so far for whom I can’t really see a decent argument for supporting. There are several more I can’t see myself voting for, but whose support I would understand.
What's the standard?
Retired number worthy? Placque worthy? Less than that? Or is it just like the real hall of fame where every voter has his own standard?
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jan 12, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
I don't that there's a standard yet,
but I can tell you who the 10? players I’d vote for so far are. Only three of the ones I actually nominated (two if Gordon is given an automatic pass). There’s a pretty big quagmire in the middle, as far as I’m concerned, when looking at quality and service with the Yankees.
My quick look is a pinch of rWAR and a dash of time with the Yankees. My slap-dash top 10 is: R. Henderson, Gordon, McDougald, Munson, Keller, Randolph, Mussina, Nettles, Stottlemyre, Henrich. I have Pettitte at 11, to replace Gordon.
Two players I note that are really humped by my quick look are Bernie, who played for quite a long time to go with his pretty good WAR (drags the average down) and Maris, who wasn’t a Yankee long, but was very good (high average, low total WAR). Roy White is very close to Bernie. Clemens and Wells are close to Maris.
Henderson over Mattingly?
Any Yankees HOF that DOESN’T have Donnie Baseball in it, isn’t a Yankees HOF. The guy was the face of the Yankees in the 80’s.
Nominees...
Hank Bauer
Chris Chambliss
Roger Clemens
Joe Gordon
Goose Gossage
Ron Guidry
Elston Howard
Rickey Henderson
Catfish Hunter
Reggie Jackson
Roger Maris
Don Mattingly
Thurman Munson
Bobby Murcer
Mike Mussina
Graig Nettles
Paul O’Neil
Joe Pepitone
Andy Pettitte
Willie Randolph
Allie Reynolds
Bobby Richardson
Dave Righetti
Moose Skowron
Mel Stottlemyre
Bernie Williams
Roy White
by bobbychez on Jan 12, 2012 12:49 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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I considered nominating Steve Sax anyway.
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by MattF15 on Jan 12, 2012 4:06 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I expected you to
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There's still time.
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by MattF15 on Jan 12, 2012 4:17 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Not sure if Yankee HOF worthy
but Clete Boyer could be discussed. Offensive numbers weren’t spectacular, but her was an absolute Hoover at 3rd base. I think he gets short shrift because his contemporary at third in the AL was Brooks Robinson.
"I don't want one of those guys who'll drive in two but let in three every game." Casey Stengel
by tnredneckyankeesfan on Jan 12, 2012 1:35 PM EST reply actions
The nominees so far:
In a semi-useful list. Y-rWAR is the player’s BB-Ref WAR total with the Yankees, for anyone who may care.
Take a look
at the WAR totals for that list of 54 players not even including the 17 Brandon mentioned as automatics. Is it any wonder that we Yankees fans are spoiled.
"I don't want one of those guys who'll drive in two but let in three every game." Casey Stengel
by tnredneckyankeesfan on Jan 12, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
I should note
That list does include 3 of the previously listed automatics: Hoyt, Pennock and Keeler. As well as Gordon and Chesbro, who meet the automatic criteria. I wanted to get a sense where they fit with the other nominees.
Are we allowing Managers?
If we are, then Casey Stengal should be an automatic. And obviously, Joe Torre for the voting.
Not a problem!
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by Brandon C. on Jan 12, 2012 2:14 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
How does this sound? One position at a time, I will write one of the “mass poll” posts. Basically I will do this:
Day 1: List of players, b-ref pages, you discuss whether or not they should be in
Day 2: List of players, b-ref pages, you vote whether or not they should get in
There would probably be a lot less votes because of the multiple polls in one. This would be the poll format, just instead of the questions it would be
Should _ make it into PSA Yankees HOF yes or no?
What % should be necessary to get in for each player? I’d put no limit to # of players you can say yes to.
Thoughts?
Also, would love an assistant for this if anyone is interested in helping.
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I'd be willing to help.
For percentage, I think 75% is fine, though I worry about too many people voting “Yes” and I wouldn’t be opposed to raising it higher.
Also post their Fangraphs page too.
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Email you what?
"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth
Anything, rather talk through emails about the series than here.
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I did?
"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth
I agree with too many yes votes...
Yankee fans stay loyal to players. It should be higher than 75% for sure.
by Kansas Yankee on Jan 12, 2012 5:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If you want to get it all done in a single post, you could have comments with each player's name. We vote by "liking" the comment with the name.
Otherwise it would probably work better as separate fanshots with polls
List in no particular order.
O’Neil, Munson, Richardson (an aside, got 200+ hits one season and didn’t bat .300), Chambliss, Bernie, Stottlemyre, Donnie Baseball, Elston Howard, Willie Randolph, Bobby Murcer (simply because he was my favorite player growing up, SF exile not withstanding) Roy White, Ron Guidrey, Goose, Moose and of course Roger Maris.
Jim Bouton, Sparky Lyle, Fritz Peterson and Mike Kekich, just for laughs.
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Jan 12, 2012 5:35 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Red Rolfe
He may not be totally deserving, but as a 4X All Star and 5X champion—a great player lost in a lineup of immortals—it’s not out of left field.
I feel I have to nominate him, as a distant relation of his wife and a fellow Dartmouth grad.
Wait, are those all of the nominees from here, or just the ones you would consider, ro what?
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It’s everyone that anyone nominated except Jim Bouton, Fritz Peterson and Mike Kekich, who ogrover said were just for laughs (someone else nominated Lyle as well, so he’s there).
Also includes Hoyt, Pennock and Keeler, as I wondered if they should be automatic; as well as Gordon and Chesbro, who meet the automatic criteria but were also nominated.
Now with bonus Y-fWAR!
Shouldn't retired numbers be automatics, too?
If the organization thinks that they’re iconic enough Yankees to retire the number, then they should be in.
They’ve been way too willy-nilly with number retiring, but that doesn’t mean we have to follow suit and be equally too inclusive.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jan 12, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
Happy Jack Chesbro
If you come to a fork in the road, take it!
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by In The Big Inning on Jan 12, 2012 11:17 PM EST reply actions
HOF Candidates
Roger Maris
Thurman Munson
Bernie Williams
Elston Howard
Graig Nettles
Further updated Google Doc, now by position!
Also I nominated Tom Tresh, Roger Peckinpaugh, Wally Pipp, and Tony Kubek
"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth
HOF Candidates
How about Tino Maritinez? Here’s a long shot but… Scott Brosius played a huge part in the 3-peat run from 98 through 2000. His numbers are nothing special, but if its a team HOF maybe it should be what a player meant to the team and not just numbers.
Brosius was good in ‘98, eh in the other 3 seasons. You’d have to be very spectacular to get into the PSA Yankee HoF with only 4 years on the team.
Also I would argue that a ton of other players meant way more to the team that Scotty Bro.
"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth
Speaking of Steve Sax...
I think I saw his car in Brooklyn today. It was a Lexus SUV with vanity plates that said “SUPERSAX”.
If you come to a fork in the road, take it!
- Yogi Berra
by In The Big Inning on Jan 13, 2012 5:05 PM EST reply actions
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