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The 2012 Triple-A Rotation

Could Betances be more than just a September call-up in 2012?

While the Yankees seemingly struggle to find that magical number two starter to slot in behind CC Sabathia in the rotation, the Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre rotation is just about set in stone. As of right now, the rotation looks to be Hector Noesi, Dellin Betances, Manny Banuelos, Adam Warren, and David Phelps.

Noesi will only be a starter in 2012, according to Brian Cashman. Last year, John Sickels ranked Noesi as the number five prospect in the system and gave him a grade B, stating that he loves "the control+velocity combo." With good velocity and command, Noesi may have what it takes to be the organization's next Ivan Nova. The only thing standing in the way of that as of now is a lack of innings, but that is about to be addressed with the upcoming season.

Plenty of ink has been spilled about the Yankees' top pitching prospects in Betances and Banuelos, so there isn't much of a need to go into great detail. The pair each threw about ~130 innings last season between Double-A and Triple-A, leaving them in good shape to increase their innings and work on their command. Betances may be running out of time on the prospect clock, but Banuelos, who will turn just 21 in March, has plenty of time to work out command issues. Both were graded as borderline B+ prospects according to Sickels.

Finally, the rotation is rounded out by Adam Warren and David Phelps, who could receive extended looks this Spring Training. The two are thought to be Major League ready, though they lack upside. According to Sickels, Phelps could be a fourth starter if given a chance, and Warren, with his ability to eat innings with decent stuff, could get a good look to be a starter for most teams.

For most teams, Triple-A is a place to keep players ready in case they are needed at the Major League level. For the Yankees, Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre will not only provide depth, but possible upside. There's a lot to be excited about with these five pitchers.

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That’s a heck of a AAA starting rotation. Hopefully some or all will succeed and we’ll see them on the Yankees before the end of the season and beyond.

Romine!

by david d on Jan 12, 2012 12:05 PM EST reply actions  

Noesi = My favorite Yankee right now.

Elite pitching prospect for me.

Most arguments are really about context.

by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 12, 2012 12:36 PM EST reply actions  

You think he’ll be better than Nova

Romine!

by david d on Jan 12, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't know.

I consider each to be great bets to become #3 starters at worst, and #1s at best. Each has great tools and I think each rates very highly in the skills relative to age department.

If you put a gun to my head, I’d choose Nova because of his 2 seamer, because that’s the best pitch I see between the 2 and it’s a great baseline for a young power pitcher. I could see Noesi refining his change up to become better. Tough call. Love both.

Most arguments are really about context.

by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 12, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Nova's Breaking Ball

Also, if Nova can learn to command that sick breaking ball and the Yankees let him throw it, any comparison would be unfair to Noesi.

Nova + slightly better command of his wicked breaking ball + durability = a top 30 pitcher in baseball.

Most arguments are really about context.

by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 12, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

#3 in AL East

May look like a #4. In the NL, Nova is already a #2 starter on a good team, and an ace on a mediocre team. I’d bet Noesi is already a capable #3 in the NL.

The AL East is simply an entirely different level.

Most arguments are really about context.

by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 12, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Before we get too excited about Warren, Noesi, or Phelps....

0.4 HR/9, 7.1 K/9, 1.8 BB/9, 2.74 FIP
0.2 HR/9, 6.4 K/9, 2.7 BB/9, 2.97 FIP
0.8 HR/9, 7.4 K/9, 2.0 BB/9, 3.30 FIP
0.3 HR/9, 8.1 K/9, 4.4 BB/9, 3.34 FIP
0.9 HR/9, 7.4 K/9, 2.2 BB/9, 3.58 FIP
0.7 HR/9, 6.9 K/9, 3.1 BB/9, 3.65 FIP
0.8 HR/9, 6.6 K/9, 3.1 BB/9, 3.90 FIP

In no particular order, these are the career AAA pitching lines that Adam Warren, Hector Noesi, David Phelps, Ivan Nova, Darrell Rasner, and Matt DeSalvo put up during their time in the Yankees organization.

Can you guess whose is whose? (hint: no, you can’t, and that’s the point).

Jesus Montero has to be a full-time catcher, or the Yankees have to trade him. One or the other. Based on the age and contracts of the other players on this team, that's the only place he fits long-term on the Yankees roster.

by 3460kuri on Jan 12, 2012 12:57 PM EST reply actions  

not everyone pans out, of course

Some players do well in the minors and it never make it in the majors. But Noeis, Phelps and Warren have shown, or are showing, that they’re close to conquering AAA. At some point, it’s time to see what they can do at the major league level, always with the caveat that a lot of AAA stars become high school baseball coaches.

by long time listener on Jan 12, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

that's not a fair comparison

Both Rasner and Desalvo were 25-26 in AAA, Warren, Noesi, Phelps and Nova or all younger than that. I’ll take the younger guys at the same level because they have room to improve still.

by jetanumba2 on Jan 12, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, it isn’t all about performance in the minors. Scouting plays just as big of a role

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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 12, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Jeff Karstens is the 7th guy.

Jesus Montero has to be a full-time catcher, or the Yankees have to trade him. One or the other. Based on the age and contracts of the other players on this team, that's the only place he fits long-term on the Yankees roster.

by 3460kuri on Jan 12, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

From Grant Brisbee

7. Jeff Karstens

Jeff Karstens.

"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth

366 Up, 366 Down

by Andrew GM on Jan 12, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

This is fine, but I doubt it happens
Yankees only interested in 1-yr deal with EJax or Kuroda. Boras has yet to drop to 1-yr but has done what he calls “pillow” pact

by jetanumba2 on Jan 12, 2012 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

Is that how he proposed to his wife?

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by Brandon C. on Jan 12, 2012 1:40 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I did not think Madson would sign a 1 yr deal...

Yankees could outsmart Boras for a change.

by Kansas Yankee on Jan 12, 2012 1:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Smart signing

"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth

366 Up, 366 Down

by Andrew GM on Jan 12, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

really afraid of them

I don’t understand why they aren’t going after Kuroda or Oswalt or even someone like Francis. Now that the Yankees are holding off on spending, the Red Sox are too? hmmm

by jetanumba2 on Jan 12, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Remember when the Red Sox signed John Smoltz & Brad Penny before ’09 and that was supposed to be epic?

"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth

366 Up, 366 Down

by Andrew GM on Jan 12, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I still like going for cheap veteran options. Bartolo Colon worked out great.

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by Brandon C. on Jan 12, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Why you gotta hate on Freddy?

by MichaelGGBGrabow on Jan 12, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Because the Yankees signed him to a guaranteed contract this season, AND handed him a spot in the rotation.

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by Brandon C. on Jan 12, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Well he still worked out great last year!

Now if he reads this you’re just going to hurt his feelings.

by MichaelGGBGrabow on Jan 12, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

still not that big of a deal...

If he stinks it up they aren’t losing as much as they would on the higher priced 1 yr alternatives.

by Kansas Yankee on Jan 12, 2012 4:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

if he pitches for them against the Yanks you can expect a brawl

for some reason him and Teixeria hate each other, or at least he hates Tex. He beans him every single time he faces him.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Jan 12, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

In 17 PA against Padilla, Tex has a 1.271 OPS, two home runs, and three plunkings.

by Lord Duggan on Jan 12, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember hearing Mark say something about how he didn’t like him because when they played together in Texas he was always hitting people and Mark was the one getting it in return.

by MichaelGGBGrabow on Jan 12, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

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