An Idea: New York Yankees Hall Of Fame Series
by Brandon C. on Jan 10, 2012 11:00 AM EST
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PrintAs I mentioned in the Hall of Fame thread yesterday, I am considering writing a series of posts about the "Yankees Hall of Fame."
You all would come up with a pool of players that can be voted into the "Yankees Hall of Fame," and a certain % of voting would get a player in. The players voted in would be ordered by % voted, which could also serve as an order of greatest Yankees of all time.
Rather than writing the posts to little support, I would like some feedback. How could the series be improved, and is it worth doing at all?
Please comment your thoughts, and if you are for it comment how you would like the format to be.
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I would be interested
one post, list all the names. maybe a paragraph of why they should be in. Everyone votes and then tally the votes and show them in another post or just update that post.
I would be interested also
but I think there needs to be voting guidelines (i.e. suspicion of steroid use cannot be a reason to not include a player; on-field play is more important than off-field behavior; etc.)
I would be interested
I agree there should be some voting guidelines.
For example, the player has to have been retired so their career can be looked at as a whole. The player must have excelled as a Yankee and not on another team then joined the Yankees (or were on the Yankees and then excelled on another team). The player must have been with the Yankees for X number of years. I would suggest at least 3.
Also, if a player has his number retired in Monument Park they should automatically be in. Voting to determine an order of greatest Yankees of all time would be difficult as it gets into a popularity contest that could be influenced by those who should not be voting or would be voting for their favorite player as they grew up.
I'd be in favor
I don’t have a solid idea of how it should be done, but I have some suggestions. First, there should be some kind of nomination process so that all likely candidates are included. I think there should be a cut-off for the amount of time they spent with the Yankees – I think 5 years is fair – and that current players should be included (although perhaps for current players the minimum time could be stretched to 8 or 10 years).
I think all factors should be considered, and between the nominations and the final vote the borderline candidates should be discussed (that way someone opposed to Clemens or A-Rod getting in can have their say regarding steroid/PED allegations).
Also, a high threshold of 80 or 90 percent seems right.
by long time listener on Jan 10, 2012 11:55 AM EST reply actions
I would suggest dividing up the players by position
Either you set up qualification for consideration or we decided on them as a whole. Then give all the qualified players at each position along with a short bio and link to their full bio (b-ref, wikipedia, etc.). Finally have polls for each player.
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It would be interesting to see how much support some people get. There’s always lots of arguing about monuments and retired numbers, so I’d like to propose the (completely lifted) idea of tiers for the “inductees” once everything is tallied.
He’s probably not the most popular person around here – I myself am no longer a fan – but I was always intrigued Bill Simmons’ idea of the Hall of Fame Pyramid, where everybody is good but they get better at each level of the pyramid. Works better for a real life museum than a message board, but could be a fun output if you wanted to build a separate landing page for it.
So maybe something like….
60-69% – Level 1 (The Bronx Zoo)
70-79% – Level 2 (The Facade Club)
80-94% – Level 3 (The Champions Club)
95-100% – Level 4 (The Monument Club)
I’d also like to see it broken up at least by position groups (Pitchers, Infielders, Catchers, Outfielders) just to keep the fun going, so it’s not just a single day of voting.
Nominations could be a lengthy process, so maybe it’s similar to the real HOF process – anybody who played at least x years (lower for active players?) is eligible.
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I like the pyramid idea...
60% seems awfully easy to crack, I would have the percentage cutoff be 75-80%. I’d say lay out the levels like this:
75-85
85-90
90-95
95-100
Also, I like the idea of splitting it up by position and limiting the number of players by position per level with the lowest level getting the most and the higher levels getting the least number of allotted slots. For example, you can have 2 first basemen in “The Monument Club,” but up to 10 First Basemen in “The Bronx Zoo.”
Perhaps by era?
Pre and Post 1960 or another year. The rosters of Yankees of the 20’s, 30’s or the 50’s reads like a Hall of Fame list on their own.
Ok how does this sound:
To be eligible you need to have played five years with the Yankees.
Current players seven seasons.
You need 80% to get in
How do we decide who gets to even go into the polling process, though?
If everyone that gets nominated goes to the process that will be a lot of people!
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by Brandon C. on Jan 10, 2012 1:29 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Get to the meat
Skip everyone who is already in the actual Hall of Fame- is anyone really going to vote against Joe DiMaggio or Whitey Ford? They should be automatic inductees to the Yankee HOF.
Let’s squabble over the borderline guys. That’s where all the fun is anyways.
Great point. Every Yankee that’s played at least five years for the team that’s in HOF automatically gets in?
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by Brandon C. on Jan 10, 2012 1:47 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
no
I think Reggie might be a borderline Yankee HOFer, for example. Wade Boggs played for five years and I don’t know if he’s a Yankee HOFer – I hadn’t even considered him until just now.
by long time listener on Jan 10, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
not necessarily
You could make arguments for Boggs and (especially) Reggie, and neither of them are in as a Yankee.
by long time listener on Jan 10, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
yes five. Still, a whole five years
We don’t consider Ricky Henderson as one of the best Yankees ever.
Without looking it up, I’m about 99% certain Reggie is in as a Yankee.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 10, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
He wanted to be in as a Yankee
He was pissed at the A’s for firing him when he was their hitting coach
Didn't Andrew Dawson want to be inducted as a Cub?
Hall of Fame said otherwise and put him in as an Expo.
so what makes Reggie Jackson so special?
I like him, but he is not one of the greatest Yankees of all time! Unless they let everyone pick the team they want to be inducted with (and they don’t) it should be who you played for the longest and who you performed best on. (I wonder what team Pujols would be under or even A-Rod)
yes
That stopped when Wade Boggs got bought off by the Rays, but players used to be allowed to choose which hat was on their plaque.
by long time listener on Jan 10, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
It was back in 1993
so I can see that changes may have been made, especially if the player’s intent was to slight the team they were with the longest. With Dawson, he spent more years with the Expos, but this might shed light on why he wanted to go into the Hall as a Cub:
Dawson famously signed a blank free-agent contract with the Cubs during spring training of 1987. Cubs general manager Dallas Green filled in the contract with a modest $500,000 figure for the 1977 NL Rookie of the Year.
Dawson later told me: “If I had to do it all over again, I probably would do it the same way. It was just a matter, for me, of going somewhere that I knew I would enjoy the game and be a little more respected from a management standpoint. I couldn’t have picked a better place. I always loved daytime baseball and I always enjoyed playing in Wrigley Field.”
You mean Andre Dawson?
From an article in 2010:
Dawson had made it clear earlier this month to the Tribune that he preferred going into the Hall of Fame on July 25 in Cooperstown, N.Y., as a Cub.
“I will probably have a preference, but again I will respect their decision,” he said then. “I feel that (the decision) is probably going to be based on the history of the game. (The Hall of Fame officials) made it obvious when they sent the letters out to us before the announcement…and I respect that.”
Dawson will join catcher Gary Carter as the only members wearing Expos hats on their plaques.
Agree with LTL
You can’t award a player for being elected to the National Baseball HOF, especially if he made the HOF based on his performance with other teams and not the Yankees.
Also, current players should not be considered. I hope it does not happen, but what if their career goes down the tubes? What if they decide the Yankees are just not for them and depart the team in a non-acceptable manner? Do we then have the right to revoke their status as a Yankee HOF’er?
fair point about the active players
But I would think the only guys who would get in are Jeter, Mo, and A-Rod. (I don’t even know if anyone else would be eligible if the cutoff was seven years.) Jeter and Mo are EXTREMELY unlikely to do anything to erase what they’ve done. I suppose it’s conceivable that A-Rod could fall of a cliff (figuratively) and have five or six terrible seasons, which might erase some of what he’s done. And there’s always the tiny chance someone could pull an OJ and we wouldn’t want to be associate with them. So voting for an active player carries some risks.
by long time listener on Jan 10, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
perhaps the way to do it is to have a slate of "automatics"
Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle, Ford, Berra all seem like absolute shoe-in, so put them in one post. Maybe Jeter and Mo are automatics in the active category, so they can get a separate post of their own. If either slate miraculously don’t get to 80%, then you can break them up into individual votes.
by long time listener on Jan 10, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
So a post “telling” the readers they are automatics, or asking?
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by Brandon C. on Jan 10, 2012 2:17 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
perhaps part of the nomination process could be selecting the automatics
But I would put that slate up for a vote, just for kicks. Maybe since the automatics are so automatic the vote could be non-binding (since voting against them for HOF would case dispersions upon the readers and their intelligence).
by long time listener on Jan 10, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
make it 2 players per post that are similar in some regard
and then make it 75% on the poll to get in with rationale argued in the comments.
Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.
Are current players eligible too?
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by Brandon C. on Jan 10, 2012 2:50 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I don’t know, but it isn’t fair to leave out Mo and Jeter
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by Brandon C. on Jan 10, 2012 2:59 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
that's where the cut-off comes in
Cano is eligible if 7 years is the cut-off, but not if it’s more. So that’s something that needs to be hashed out.
by long time listener on Jan 10, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Is that why you said eight?
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sort of
Nothing against Cano, but I can’t see him being HOF material yet (even pretend HOF that we’re making up as we go along). So adding an extra year seems like a nice way to avoid an unpleasant vote. On the other hand, whoever said that the more rules we make up the more we’re just stacking the HOF with the guys we want has a point. Maybe there should be some other way to nominate active guys, or maybe we should just leave active guys off – it’s clear Jeter and Mo are going to make it to any HOF worth its salt, and the controversy over A-Rod isn’t going anywhere (and may be clairified by what he does from here on out).
by long time listener on Jan 10, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
how about we just do actual retired players
no active, it’s just stupid. Yes, we all know who Mariano Rivera and Derek Jeter are, lets looks at other people. A-Rod still has a ways to go before he retires
Memorial Park?
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by Brandon C. on Jan 10, 2012 2:55 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I believe it's known as "Special Balls Memorial Water Park and Carnival"
by long time listener on Jan 10, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Do they have a Wave Pool?
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jan 10, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
they have a Waive Pool
Anyone who gets cut is put in the pool and sent out of town. Unfortunately, you must not be named Sergio Mitre to use the pool.
by long time listener on Jan 10, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
How many of the 8?
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by Brandon C. on Jan 10, 2012 2:56 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
is there a voting committee on this?
kinda like the concept of congress
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Jan 10, 2012 4:15 PM EST via Android app reply actions
This is a really good idea
I think we should include only retired players and that HOF members should be included just to see how voting percentage turns out
by NEILINATOR on Jan 10, 2012 4:39 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Alright, let’s try this again. How does this sound?
-No current players allowed in. Jeter, Rivera, etc can be let in after they retire.
-Automatics will be Hall of Famers with at least 8 seasons in a Yankees uniform
-Nominations will be made in a pool post, maybe a certain # of recs gets them a poll to see if they get in?
-No players with less than five seasons in a Yankees uniform allowed in?
Thoughts?
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To? I’m willing to change the plan a lot, just want a consensus
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I disagree with lengthening the minimum years.
5 years is a good time period to the average career when being considered a Yankee great. If you extend it beyond that you rule out a players that include Reggie Jackson, Catfish Hunter, and Wade Boggs which may stir a debate.
I do like the automatic list construction and not allowing current players. They will get their due when (and in Mo’s case, if) they hang it up.
I like the idea of a poll where a person can nominate and rank 10-15 players. If it could be conducted privately so one is not influenced by another’s post, it would be better.
I say yes to this as long as my current MLB 11 RTTS player is inducted first lol
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Jan 10, 2012 5:40 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Can’t leave Reggie out. Eight years is too much
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 10, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with jscape, any player with a Yankees cap on his Hall plaque is an automatic in.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jan 10, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
We can debate about adding others that are in as players of other teams (such as Dave Winfield), but I think if they’re Hall of Famers as Yankees, then we should at least make them automatics in the “Pinstripe Alley Hall of Fame.”
Unless we eliminate the whole “automatic” idea and just throw everyone up for nomination and voting.
Here's your automatics. More on the rest...
Ruth
Gehrig
DiMaggio
Mantle
Berra
Dickey
Ford
We’re done here, I think everyone else can be up for debate.
I don’t necessarily agree that everyone in the Hall with a Yankees cap should be in this one. It has been said before on this blog that not everyone in the Hall of Fame should necessarily be in the Hall of Fame. So why should they be automatic? Some people who have a Yankees cap in the Hall who I would disagree or think there could be a debate about:
Jack Chesbro
Waite Hoyt
Herb Pennock
Earle Combs
Joe Gordon
Goose Gossage
Reggie Jackson
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Well what’s the consensus!
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by Brandon C. on Jan 11, 2012 1:23 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Eh, I posted my thoughts. I think there are only a few automatics and we can have a good debate on everyone else nominated. You can do a thread to accept nominations. Maybe a user who nominates someone could write the nomination post if there are just too many to do? Or you could do two at a time and have a poll be like:
“Should Blah and or Whosits be in the Yankee Hall of Fame?”
A-“Yes to both”
B-“Yes to Blah, No to Whosits”
C-“No to Blah, Yes to Whosits”
D-“No to both”
I’m sure you could add the votes of A & B or A & B to get the appropriate percentage, it’s simple math.
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