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New York Yankees News Recap: Crawford Ruse, Most Important Bombers

We know it happens, but you never hear someone admit to it. Brian Cashman said he faked interest in free agent Carl Crawford last offseason to drive up his price. He took his agent out to a meal with no intention of signing him. As much as I like Cashman's newfound outspokennes, it can't be a good idea to admit it so easily. Won't future free agents wonder whether Cashman wants them or are just using them?

Cash also had some choice quotes -

I wanted [Cliff] Lee badly enough to move [Jesus] Montero. You take all the players traded when Lee went from Cleveland to Philly, Philly to Seattle, and Seattle to Texas, and Montero would've been by far the best player moved in any of those deals...

What I said [before the season] was accurate: The Red Sox had a great winter, and I had a bad winter. But as it turned out, I had a better winter than anybody would've expected, including myself.

Star-divide

  • SBN NY counted down the five most important Yankees (and Mets) of 2011. 
  • One guy that failed to make the list was Mo Rivera (because his level of excellence was expected). But take a look at a BRef list and a Beyond The Boxscore article just to see how good he truly is. The best reliever of all-time is a given. But where does he rank on the all-time pitchers list?
  • Mo talks about making his first baseball glove (out of cardboard). 
  • Ed Valentine asks if Jorge Posada belongs on the post-season roster, who's the no. 3 starter, and who's the back-up catcher?
  • In case you missed it, (relatively) new Yankee Russell Martin added a little spice to the rivalry with the Red Sox when he said he hated them -

Anything to get the Red Sox out would be awesome for me... because I hate the Red Sox.

Nice.

  • There's a potentially great show on this evening chronicling the 1941 season, specifically the historical campaigns of Joe DiMaggio (56-game hitting streak) and Ted Williams (.406 batting average). 5 p.m. on MLB Network.
  • New Red Sox pitcher Erik Bedard was served child support papers by a Yankee fan on Tuesday. On behalf of Bedard's ex-girlfriend (and apparent baby mama), a "lifelong Yankees fan," complete with Yankee shirt, walked into Fenway Park to serve the southpaw.
  • A baseball practice facility in Oklahoma was named in honor of Yankee-legend Bobby Murcer.
  • Do you like the Marlinsnew logo?... Didn't think so.
  • Several of the rock stars that recently played Yankee Stadium (which included Anthrax, Slayer and Megadeth) talk about their favorite pinstriped players.

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Sabathia-Nova-Garcia?

by OTRWaldo on Sep 24, 2011 8:06 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Sabathia-Nova- Colon

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by i says on Sep 24, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sabathia-Nova- NOESI

BOOM. I just blew your mind

Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by CasanovaWong on Sep 24, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I actually would consider this

If only he was stretched out. If not him then Garcia should be the 3rd.

"Kick ass. pop champagne. And get some ho's"-Hideki Matsui

by Livestrong77nyy on Sep 24, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's bury the Sox!

F*** Boston!

Puertorican Yankee fan since 2002.

by Xavier10 on Sep 24, 2011 8:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Crawford was payback for the Sux driving up the price on Santana.

Though thankfully that trade didn’t go through. The Marlins new logo might be the ugliest thing I’ve ever seen. It’s a throwback to the ugly logos of the 70s and 80s (think Padres & White Sox).

by upstateNYYFan1984 on Sep 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah that thing is hideous

I understand they want to distinguish the new Miami Marlins from the old Florida Marlins, but they could have found a less eyesore-ish way to do that. The Marlins haven’t been great the last few years, but they’ve won 2 championships in an 18 year history, I don’t think they need to hide from their past and pretend they’re a different team.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Sep 24, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think a player would care if the Yankees are driving up their price tag

I mean, do we honestly think a player would complain about that? If anything that would mean a player’s more likely to at least visit the Yankees.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Sep 24, 2011 10:03 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree

That’s just the way the game is played. Even if we have no intention of signing the player, we pretend to be interested so the team that eventually does sign him has to pay more. In this case, Cash-money managed to drive the price up for our rival. Sure they signed him, but it was for far more than they would have otherwise, and the prevents them from committing that money to something they might actually need, like finding players who don’t break down midseason.

by pastor2b on Sep 24, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I would think Carl would be pretty happy with us helping him get more money. I imagine Cash is enough of a pro to not have led him and his agent on too much either.

by Skinnyslim on Sep 24, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Free agents use the Yanks as leverage all the time

Especially Scott Boras clients, I don’t think anyone will blame the Yankees for turning the tables somewhat.

by Branta on Sep 24, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cashman don't give a f##k

1. Travis, I think you missed the best quote in there:

“We already have Carl Crawford in Brett Gardner.”

2. Mo is 55th all time in bWAR among pitchers. The next closest pure reliever is Hoyt Wilhelm at 114, roughly 15 WAR behind. Mo is awesome.

Also: Who knew Michael Jackson was such a good pitcher? I heard he was Bad.

3. Posada will not make the roster, Burnett will be the 3, and Romine will be on as the emergency C. No Posada, Cervelli, or Hughes.

by PortlandYankee on Sep 24, 2011 11:25 AM EDT reply actions  

If Burnett is the 3

we won’t make it to the ALCS.

by andrew21 on Sep 24, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Look at the numbers

Colon has had an awful 2 weeks and might be gassed. Garcia has had an awful month, and might be a mop. Phil Hughes looks done for the year.

The most consistent of those 4 guys for September, hard as it is to believe, has been Burnett.

by PortlandYankee on Sep 24, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Game 3 in round 1 will be tricky

We’re just going to have to throw one of these guys out there and hope for the best. There will need to be an extremely short leash so that the game doesn’t get out of hand.

In the LCS it’ll be even tougher, since we’ll need 4 starters. Even if C.C. starts game 4 on short rest, we’d still need a starter for game 5 since Nova’s not starting on 3 days.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Sep 24, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the sort of attitude

That makes me hate Yankee fans.

Welcome to the Majors, Jesus!

Now PLAY HIM MOAR!!

by nyyrocks29 on Sep 24, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stop generalizing fan bases

You end up insulting all of the fans by lumping them together with all of the bad eggs. You should also know that there are bad eggs in each basket.

"Kick ass. pop champagne. And get some ho's"-Hideki Matsui

by Livestrong77nyy on Sep 24, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Sep 24, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure we would

We would just lose game 3

by Branta on Sep 24, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah we'd lose the series

With the only game we win being the one AJ pitches.

Welcome to the Majors, Jesus!

Now PLAY HIM MOAR!!

by nyyrocks29 on Sep 24, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

His contract would lose series just like it did last year.

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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Sep 24, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

3 is ridiculous in every single way you look at it

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by i says on Sep 24, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

How?

Nobody will take you seriously if you just call someone’s comment ridiculous without anything to back it up with. It’s his opinion, and a lot of people on here may think he’s right too.

Welcome to the Majors, Jesus!

Now PLAY HIM MOAR!!

by nyyrocks29 on Sep 24, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

My bad

Posada will make it bc he is still one of the better DH options besides Montero.

Burnett won’t be the third starter because Garcia and even Colon are better options.

Hughes will make the roster because he can be in the bullpen or in the rotation..
 
Is that good enough for you?

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by i says on Sep 25, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Girardi doesn’t have the stones to leave Posada off the playoff roster

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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Sep 24, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think Posada would get his job as the starting DH against righties again or no? I really hope not but I can’t put it past them honestly.

Welcome to the Majors, Jesus!

Now PLAY HIM MOAR!!

by nyyrocks29 on Sep 24, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why not?

Posada vs. Righties

OBP: .348
SLG: .466
ISO: .194
WOBA: .354
WRC+: 121

He’s been fine against righties.

"It's kind of like the Garden. It's the same feel. It's special." - Deron Williams on the Barclays Center.

MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.

by Maxyboy on Sep 24, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because Montero is better

Welcome to the Majors, Jesus!

Now PLAY HIM MOAR!!

by nyyrocks29 on Sep 24, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

Posada actually hits righties better than Teixeira. But most of us feel that Montero provides more upside.

by Briceratops on Sep 24, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except for 1 game against Baltimore RHP, Posada is probably better

Montero is sitting at a 106 WRC+ against RHP, in admittedly a small sample. That’s being driven almost entirely by the SLG generated by those 2 HR, given that his OBP is .273. I would stay concerned about his ability to pick up breaking stuff at this point.

Right now, I do like the idea of a Posada/Montero DH platoon, with Chavez on the bench as a LH PH.

by PortlandYankee on Sep 24, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

why do we have to have platoons and lefty-right bullshit?

all the lefties on the roster have been proving they can hit lefties. And Montero, the guy that should be DHing (he actually should be the catcher…) can most definitely hit righties, lefties and people that throw with their dingaling.

But its talking to the wall. They’re going to have lefty righty bullshit.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Sep 24, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well sometimes it can make sense

Example, Andruw Jones has been crushing the ball, especially against left handed pitching during the second half. He won’t be playing against righties, but against lefties I want him in the lineup. Of course, I want Jesus Montero in the lineup too, so playing Jones would then come at the expense of Brett Gardner.

You should have a set lineup for lefties and righties. It can depend on the pitcher and sometimes the lineup may be the same for both. But sometimes it isn’t.

That said, Posada shouldn’t play at all and Montero should DH against both lefties and righties.

Welcome to the Majors, Jesus!

Now PLAY HIM MOAR!!

by nyyrocks29 on Sep 24, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who does he take off instead?

-Romine, and hope that if Montero is DH & Martin is C, Martin doesn’t get hurt in game?
-Chavez or Nunez?
-Jones or Dickerson, given that Swish is hurt?
-Noesi or Wade, Burnett or Garcia?

by PortlandYankee on Sep 24, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

They don’t need Romine. A backup catcher isn’t necessary if Posada is on the team.

If Martin gets hurt you would have either Posada or Montero (or possibly both if Binder loses his mind and DH’s Jones vs. a LHP) on the bench for that game. If it lingers and Russ can’t keep playing, then take him off the roster and put Romine on it.

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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Sep 24, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a fair point

It all depends on how much they trust Jorge behind the plate, I guess.

by PortlandYankee on Sep 24, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Martin gets hurt they’re in trouble whether it’s Romine or Posada replacing him. You either have all defense and no bat, or some bat (depending on the pitcher’s handedness) and some defense.

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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Sep 24, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

they're in trouble if Martin is healthy too

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Sep 24, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait

Where are all the Nostradamus types that assured us all that Posada would never catch again as a Yankee with there predictions on how the playoffs will go? They will know for sure. I thoroughly enjoyed hearing that one all season.

Congrats to all who have turned PA into the Yahoo comment boards. New it couldn't last forever. Damn idiots had to go and win the World Series. The dude at the 7 eleven keeps saying fat man in undearwear punch my eye.

by cashman bashman on Sep 24, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

And he won’t again barring a complete disaster/stars aligning series of events that necessitates it.

So yeah, parade your high horse elsewhere.

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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Sep 24, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

The likelihood that Martin gets hurt is small to begin with

Having Romine on the roster is more of a safety net than anything else. I’m indifferent to it right now- it depends on who is left off the roster in Romine’s place if they choose to keep him.

As for Jones, he needs to play against lefties in the playoffs. DHing him would be losing his mind because that pushes Montero to the bench. Which would mean when Jones plays he needs to play the outfield.

Welcome to the Majors, Jesus!

Now PLAY HIM MOAR!!

by nyyrocks29 on Sep 24, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it were Cervelli, would you carry him?

Cervelli is a better hitter than Romine, but if Martin is catching every playoff game then what’s the point of a backup catcher to begin with?

Welcome to the Majors, Jesus!

Now PLAY HIM MOAR!!

by nyyrocks29 on Sep 24, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think I'm strong enough to carry Cervelli.

But yeah, if Joe is going to use Martin every game, then I don’t think there is much point in carrying a true backup catcher. Jesus can catch if something goes horribly awry.

Jesus Montero fangirl

by WhatwouldJeterdo on Sep 24, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Buster Olney says Jays look to be all in on Yu Darvish

AA is the best GM out there now, no question.

It is terrifying that we might have 4 teams w. big payrolls or super competent FOs in our division.

by PortlandYankee on Sep 24, 2011 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

It is because of the Yankees dominance

that the AL East is now breeding success in every corner.

"Kick ass. pop champagne. And get some ho's"-Hideki Matsui

by Livestrong77nyy on Sep 24, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree, homie.
As much as I like Cashman’s newfound outspokennes, it can’t be a good idea to admit it so easily. Won’t future free agents wonder whether Cashman wants them or are just using them?

Scott Boras always uses the Yankees to drive up the price for his clients. Its good business for agents and players to wine and dine with the Yankees. A free agent being associated with Yankees means an increase in price because they can meet the asking price of the free agent. Its a win for both parties.

by E-ROC on Sep 24, 2011 12:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Good news- though nothing to do with this season
Joba Chamberlain (elbow) has begun a throwing program and considers himself a month to six weeks ahead of schedule in his rehab from Tommy John surgery.
Chamberlain, who is making 30 throws from 30 feet every other day, thinks he’ll be ready for the beginning of spring training. That might seem a tad optimistic given that he had the operation in June, but it does sound like he has a shot to be available by Opening Day.

Welcome to the Majors, Jesus!

Now PLAY HIM MOAR!!

by nyyrocks29 on Sep 24, 2011 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

They said CC lost weight too

How long did that last? Joba will be his normal fat self by opening day. Count on that (or at least I hope!!!).

Welcome to the Majors, Jesus!

Now PLAY HIM MOAR!!

by nyyrocks29 on Sep 24, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just got twitter, and it's already proving to be useful. Who knew!
Jeter SS, Granderson CF, Teixeira 1B, Rodriguez 3B, Cano 2B, Swisher RF, Jones LF, Montero DH, Martin C, Garcia P

Welcome to the Majors, Jesus!

Now PLAY HIM MOAR!!

by nyyrocks29 on Sep 24, 2011 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Won’t future free agents now want dinner with Cashman, knowing that either he’s there to give them a lot of money or to try to get other teams to give him more money?

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- Donald Fehr

by Frank Campagnola on Sep 24, 2011 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

And don’t free agents do the same thing? Fake interest in rival teams to drive up their own price?

Contributing writer for Pinstripe Alley.

I believe in the Church of Baseball.
- Annie Savoy

You go through The Sporting News for the last 100 years, and you will find two things are always true. You never have enough pitching, and nobody ever made money.
- Donald Fehr

by Frank Campagnola on Sep 24, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Passan is an ass clown.

F*** Boston!

Puertorican Yankee fan since 2002.

by Xavier10 on Sep 24, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Passan is an ass clown

And I still am waiting his reply to my always open invitation to whip his ass all over national TV. My bet is he will cry in his very next story about me spending more money on his whoopin then anyone else did and how it is not fair. The guy is a pansy.

Congrats to all who have turned PA into the Yahoo comment boards. New it couldn't last forever. Damn idiots had to go and win the World Series. The dude at the 7 eleven keeps saying fat man in undearwear punch my eye.

by cashman bashman on Sep 24, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s pretty funny. The Red Sox are really lucky that the Rays haven’t been able to win games either.

The Savior has come, and he is glorious. #63

by Wraithpk on Sep 24, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gardner's been a disappointment at the plate to me

His OBP has really nosedived from last year where it was .383 and currently sits at .347 this year. Furthermore, his OBP/Avg declined in the second half last year and was attributed to his bad thumb. The same thing has happened this year, but we haven’t heard of any injuries. For a guy whose offensive value comes solely from being on base, it really is too low.

Of course with that defense I’ll still take it.

by Now Batting on Sep 24, 2011 4:06 PM EDT reply actions  

.347 OBP is still pretty good

Crawling Crawfish can’t even hit .300 OBP

by lololol on Sep 24, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

now the yanks are serving the redsux child support papers hahahaha...classic....

-Announcement Forwarded To The Following: Boston Blowsox, New York Pets, Philadelphia Phonies, And Any Other Team Who Ain't With The Empire.................

Getcha' Rings Up........

by NYYWinsRings27 on Sep 24, 2011 7:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Two cents

I fear that Cashman is being so upfront because he’s leaving. And as much as we like to bitch about his work, he’s an AWESOME GM. Look at the product and don’t give me the $$ bullshit. He signs the best players that he thinks fits.

Two: I think its Hughes if he’s healthy. I can’t imagine they’re throwing Colon after yesterday and No way on Burnett. Hughes is more reasonable than thinking Garcia, even after today’s performance, will beat a good team in October.

by JerseyGuy77 on Sep 24, 2011 7:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Hughes? Really?

What has he done this season to make you think that he’s the more reasonable option?

Jesus Montero fangirl

by WhatwouldJeterdo on Sep 24, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure if he’s saying Hughes for 2nd starter or 3rd, I think Nova is probably a lock for #2 right now. Hughes isn’t a terrible choice for 3rd. Colon has a 5.56 ERA and FIP around 4.5 since the beginning of August. Burnett has an ERA of 8.6 since the beginning of August, and a FIP around 4.9. Garcia has an ERA of 6.55 and FIP around 6.9.

Hughes has an ERA of 4.05 and FIP of 3.83 since the beginning of August. Whatever choice we make for the 3rd starter is going to be a crappy one, but Hughes has been consistently less crappy than those other three guys over the last two months.

The Savior has come, and he is glorious. #63

by Wraithpk on Sep 24, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

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