New York Yankees News Recap: A.J. Gone Wild
by Travis G on Sep 13, 2011 6:01 AM EDT
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A.J. Burnett's wildness is nearly unprecedented in modern history. Since the dead-ball era (which ended in 1919), he's the only pitcher to have three or more wild pitches in eight career games. He even has an outside chance to top the post-19th century record of 30, set back in 1905.
- Alex Rodriguez will miss at least a few more days. Joe Girardi said Friday in Toronto looks like the earliest date for his return. He's been out since last Friday with a sprained thumb.
- Manny Ramirez was arrested for domestic battery yesterday after allegedly hitting his wife during an argument. You might recall that Manny retired from baseball in April after failing a PED test. Why do I get the feeling this won't be the last of Manny's post-baseball transgressions?
- Mariano Rivera is approaching his 602nd career save, which would set a new MLB record. Is there any way you would you want Jorge Posada - who's caught him the vast majority of his career - to catch Mo's record-breaking save?
- We sometimes deride Joe Girardi for overestimating Rusell Martin's defensive prowess, but it turns out he is one of the better catchers at "framing" pitches; in other words, he's good at stealing borderline pitches. As for a run value for that? Update: +14 runs/season compared to an average catcher. Hmm. Better than I expected.
- The Staten Island Yankees won the opening game of the NYPL Finals by a score of 9-2 over the Auburn Doubledays (Wash. Nationals). With one more win they'll take the crown.
- The Mets tried out Jesus Montero at their Florida facilities back when he was 16. He got injured within an hour of stepping on the field. Omar Minaya never felt he had a real chance to sign the young catcher, and the Mets' fell well short of the Yankees' $1.7 million bid.
- Texas ace C.J. Wilson is an impending free agent and (coincidentally?) having a career year. Should the Yankees go after him? At the expense of Yu Darvish? The 2012 rotation looks to only have one opening, after CC, A.J., Nova and Hughes. I like Wilson a lot, and especially his handedness, but he'll be 31 and has only been a starter for two years now. It would be risky.
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I would love to see Jorgey to catch his 602nd Save. Even if he just catches the 9th.
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by Chris McKeown on Sep 13, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Best at framing pitches? How would you even quantify that?
sounds like a load of bull to me.
Not only do I not care if Jorge catches Mo’s save, but I’m actually against it. What does it make a difference who catches the ball? Mo doesn’t care so we shouldn’t either. Maybe we should bring back Andy Pettitte to play first base just so he can throw it to first for the decisive out ‘as it should be’ If it avoids YES and specifically Kim Jones from spouting some garbage “Core Four” nostalgia nonsense i’m all for it. In 5 years no one is going to care who caught the ball.
At a guess, they quantify "framing pitches" based on the number of borderline pitches which the catcher gets called for strikes
You know how it goes: Pitch is just outside, but the catcher pulls his glove in slightly so that it looks like the pitch was actually on the corner. The ump calls it for a strike. A good catcher can pull that off more than a poor catcher can.
Just because you can't quantify it doesn't mean it's bullshit
Economists have been making that mistake for a century
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by Captain_Mick on Sep 13, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
he would be proven though older.
Yu darvish would be younger, though more of a risk. he would also be alot cheaper. only being a starter for 2 years also means alot less wear on his arm. we cant have both?
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no we can't
CJ would be too much money for a 31 year old with 2 years of starting experience. Yu Darvish, though impressive, has proven nothing and would cost a TON.
I just can't justify CJ or Darvish...
I’m against both signings…I’m against signing any Japanese pitchers, because it’s clear that they are hit-or-miss and their “hit” is only good for a season or two. For the money (posting fee + contract) they would spend on Darvish, they can spend that on a decent 3 and 4 starter and hope one of the Killer B’s comes in to take over the 2-hole in the rotation soon.
Wilson, I believe, is overrated. Does anyone have the stats on his starts against AL East competition? He’s in a division that features the Mariners and the A’s, has that had any effect on his stats?
...just to be clear, we're not talking about the size of their...
Nevermind.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Sep 13, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Are we? I thought everyone else was.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Sep 13, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Over the whole major leagues in the last decade....
I can’t remember a Japanese-born pitcher having sustained success for more than two or three years. My memory is bad, but if you can name some that would be great.
I’ll define “successful” as being a #2 pitcher in the rotation, since that’s likely what the Yankees would expect of him if they signed him.
Hiroki Kuroda
Age 33-36 seasons, 112 ERA+, 1.20 WHIP, 6.7 K/9, 2.1 B/9.
Now, his record is 40-50, but he’s also been playing for the Dodgers.
by PortlandYankee on Sep 13, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Out of how many Japanese pitchers to come over?
It seems like a losing proposition to think that one out of more than 10 Japanese pitchers are successful in the MLB. Just from a business standpoint do you spend 50+M on something like that?
Too many question marks for my money…
Nomo
First 9 years, 107 ERA+, 1.3 WHIP, 9.1 K/9, 4.1 BB/9, averaged 2.8 WAR per year (Kuroda only 1.2 WAR/year).
by cookiedabookie on Sep 13, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That was during the 90's...not in the past decade, like I asked.
However, you are right. I do remember Nomo dominating his first few years in the majors, but then tailed off after hitters began picking up his funky windup and his stuff dwindled…
The 1990s was a much harder run environment for a pitcher
Basically, you’re using a sample of 3 (Dice-K & Igawa & Irabu) to write off an entire region of pitchers.
Darvish’s numbers in Japan are better than any of those guys, and probably better than Nomo or Kuroda.
by PortlandYankee on Sep 13, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah they are better OVER in Japan…That’s not the same as the MLB. There hasn’t been a successful Japanese pitcher I would pay $50+ million for. Not when we have decent pitchers in the minors waiting to be called up…Again, it comes down to a terrible track record for that region AND the money. I’d pass…
Kei Igawa was a strikeout king in Japan in 3x 2002, 2004 and 2006, and how well did that worked out well for the Yankees? Irabu (RIP) had a 5.15 ERA and pitched to a 34-35 in his six seasons in the MLB. I think you’d be foolish NOT to at least be a little weary of signing a guy from a region where they haven’t had any sustained success in the major leagues, from a pitchers standpoint.
And for people who think Darvish is way better than anybody that has ever come over from Japan. How can you honestly say that? The NPB and MLB are completely different, and it’s almost a fact that it’s very difficult for a Japanese pitcher to translate their game here in the states. Matsui, Ichiro, Nomo and Kuroda to an extent have all found great success.
For the money, I’ll pass and put my faith in our farm system, even if the Yanks a crappy at developing these guys. At least if or when “the kids” fail it’ll be MUCH cheaper and they won’t be driving from Manhattan to Scranton every day to play while getting paid multi-million dollars.
Why do I think Darvish will do better?
Japan League ERAs
Igawa: 3.15
Nomo: 3.15
Matsuzaka: 2.95
Darvish: 2.12, with a baseball closer to MLB regs.
He’s also younger, 6’5 & 210, which is a lot closer physically to what a successful MLB pitcher in their prime looks like (Dice-K & Igawa were both “small” at 6’0).
by PortlandYankee on Sep 13, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Darvish is also on his way to a fourth consecutive sub 2 ERA season, which is a feat none of those other guys even came closer to accomplishing.
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Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one...
Until that region starts pumping out good pitchers on a consistent basis, I will never think a Japanese pitcher will be successful in the MLB.
I think we can agree you are wrong
If you have an opportunity to sign Darvish you do. He is a phenom, not just a good pitcher. He is the real deal.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Sep 13, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
No he wasn't
Darvish is the first real Japanese “Phenom”. Compare their numbers, size, mechanics, pitches and you will come to the correct conclusion. Darvish is one of the filthiest pitchers I have seen EVER.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Sep 13, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Dice-K isn’t even half the pitcher that Darvish is, and Darvish has less innings on the arm before coming here as well (less of an injury risk).
Darvish is by far the best and filthiest pitcher to come out of Japan. And he’s 25. When an option comes up to sign him and you are able to do so, you go after him.
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I guess we'll see, I've been wrong before...
However, I still think paying $50+ million for a pitcher from a region that hasn’t supplied many good starters is asking for trouble.
If he ends up coming to the Yanks and succeeds for more than 2-3 seasons, then that’s great…but I’m not holding my breath.
With the exception of the K/9 (1 K lower)
Those are Josh Beckett’s numbers for his first 4 years in Boston.
by PortlandYankee on Sep 13, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Takashi Saito
Awesome reliever. 199 ERA+. Didn’t start his MLB career til age 36.
by Scooby Snacks on Sep 13, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
add sasaki
the reliever for the mariners (!) for a few very strong years…
i have to say, i think darvish IS for real: i’d LOVE to see what he or another great young pitcher, masahiro tanaka (age: 22?), can do in the bigs… check out tanaka, if you get the chance: he’s darvish’s only competition for the sawamura (japan’s cy young) award this year…
oh, and how about koji uemura, another reliever with success… or takahashi (another reliever!!!)… or… yeah, no good japanese pitchers…
by sing_or_die_1818 on Sep 13, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Darvish is way better than anybody else who has come over from Japan
Probably twice as good as the second best pitcher to come from Japan, at least.
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Darvish cheaper? No way
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Possibly a lower salary
Wilson can command Burnett money, but Darvish is half posting fee and probably a lower annual salary, which is much less damaging to the Yankees (from a perception standpoint, but also the luxury tax).
by PortlandYankee on Sep 13, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, you have to factor the "value" that comes from lost draft picks
by PortlandYankee on Sep 13, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
As well as additional future revenue from the Japanese contingent.
by Scooby Snacks on Sep 13, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Also take into accouint that Darvish won’t cost a first round pick.
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by Frank Campagnola on Sep 13, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
If the Yankees want to keep a payroll around 205 million like it is this year, than no we don't.
And signing two pitchers would be dumb anyways because we are going to need a open spot in 2013 going forwards for Banuelos.
Well, CC, AJ, Nova and Hughes are locked in right now
If want ManBan to get a shot too, but if they sign Darvish or Jackson or Wilson he may have a hard time making the rotation because there’s so many arms. AJ will be gone after 2013 but do we really want to wait until then to insert him into the rotation?
You’d think there’d be an injury or a trade possibly at some point though, so I think he’ll end up in there soon regardless.
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I'll pass on cj Wilson
I don’t like the fact that he’s only been a starter for such a short period of time. Plus the whole contract year driven career season (see: AJ Burnett)….. I really don’t care who catches Mo’s record breaker. I don’t have hate for core four nostalgia like some people, but this record is about Mo, not anyone else.
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by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 13, 2011 10:15 AM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
Plus, it conveniently forgets Bernie Williams
by cookiedabookie on Sep 13, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't rhyme so well
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by Captain_Mick on Sep 13, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
no idea
A told B and B told C, "I'll meet you at the top of the coconut tree."
by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 13, 2011 11:30 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
NO one does.
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by Rorschach44 on Sep 13, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
The Yankees are in a bit of a tough situation on the pitching
CC is CC and I dunno what it is about Nova, he seems to be for real so I don’t expect a Hughes like shit taking next season.
AJ is also AJ. I don’t think he’s going anywhere, but if he doesn’t make the playoff roster which there is a chance of it has to call into question whether the Yankees will try and get rid of him. There may not be a way to get rid of him of course.
And then Hughes, what the hell is he? As he is right now he just seems like an average starter at best. His stuff is uninspiring and it just appears like this is it for him, at least for this season. Does he drastically improve to the Hughes we thought he was, or does he take another dump?
Also, what do we make of Noesi, Betences and Banuelos? Sure Darvish is unproven, but so are these guys, or at least the Binder forces Noesi to remain unproven.
I think you gotta sign Darvish. He’d basically pay for himself AND Igawa with all the revenue he’d likely bring. The posting fee and the contract are big risks, but I don’t like giving up a draft pick two years in a row and that’s what we’d do in signing Wilson.
Tho of course if the Steinbabies get involved, Wilson AND Darvish are likely to be Yankees.
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I would take my chances with one of the Killer B's before I signed Darvish.
I’m at a loss with Hughes. He’s shown so much promise and has fallen flat. I’d like to chalk it up to having a bad, injury-riddled season, but I’m not so sure the “injury” is cured or ever will be…
Phil wouldn't be the first highly rated pitching prospect to not pan out
Just sayin
by NYYankeeDude on Sep 13, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you...
it just hurts a little more since he showed dominant stuff for half a season in the rotation and then has been wildly inconsistent since…
he's a power pitcher with a straight fastball and not really any other plus pitches
and when the fastball is at its best 93mph, you’re gonna be average. A decent changeup that he actually has confidence in or better yet, a split finger would be a great way for him to turn his career around.
And the killer Bs are why this is tough. Banuelos probably should get another full year in the minors, but Betences should be given a full shot at the rotation. I guess he really doesn’t cost you anything, but can he be expected to even do what Nova’s done this year? Nova had a previous year to at least get some experience in the bigs. They don’t even try to get Betences an inning or two to get some time in
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by Rorschach44 on Sep 13, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
well young pitchers come up for other teams and dominate
why can’t the same happen for the Yankees? Nova is a surprise because he was never as highly regarded. They need to give Betances a chance to start and then Noesi/Warren/Phelps could get a chance if AJ or Hughes suck again. We can trade whoever we feel we don’t need
I guess you can say he has a shot to be like Michael Pineda
and I hope they let him get that chance. I just don’t expect it. Plus what I was trying to get at is there may be more then just one spot open even if you see CC, AJ, Nova and Hughes.
AJ is not a 100% lock to be in the rotation and either is Hughes. You could have Darvish in for AJ and Betences in for Hughes, then even Noesi/Warren/Phelps in there in that 5 spot.
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by Rorschach44 on Sep 13, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Lol Steinbabies should be a cartoon like Muppet Babies
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by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 13, 2011 11:29 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
what about Colon or Garcia?
I’m not opposed to Wilson or Darvish at the right price to be fixtures in the rotation for a few years, but I don’t want to overpay for them or anyone else. So why not try someone off the scrap heap? Maybe we can get someone to put up a good year to act as a stopgap before the prospects start getting their shot. For example, I don’t see any reason Colon can’t throw another good 110-140 innings next year – he’s throwing mid-90s with good control, so he’s not getting people out with smoke and mirrors. Though I guess he’s going to be asking for a raise, and probably a multi-year deal.
by long time listener on Sep 13, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Colon I'd take on for one year in the spot for which he was originally signed - long reliever
Garcia, I’d wish him well and give him a nice going away party.
i'd definitely be down with that
as long as its cheap. His DL stint and subsequent struggles has shown that he is still too much of an unknown to ask for a multi year deal
He's a lock in the rotation until the end of 2013
NOBODY will want his contract and if they do manage to get rid of him, it will be if the Yankees take almost the entire contract and also they would only get probably replacement level players.
AJ right now can provide more value to the Yankees while in the rotation than anybody they’d get for trading him.
I want Darvish. If they get Darvish, AJ doesn’t need to be relied upon as a #2 but more as a mid rotation or back end starter for the next two years.
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I would do a straight-up Burnett for Zambrano trade
We get Zambrano, they get Burnett, and we eat half of Burnett’s 2013 salary.
The Cubs get a pitcher they can live with in the clubhouse for the next two years, and they get some salary relief (Zambrano makes $18 million next year).
The Yankees get a one year of high risk pitcher (Zambrano’s 2013 option won’t vest, and if it does it means he’s doing awesome). He also gets paired with his old pitching coach, which may be a good thing. And if he’s a flameout, he’s gone in 2013.
We end up on the hook for $26 million (Zambrano 2012 + $8), they’re on the hook for $24 million.
by PortlandYankee on Sep 13, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Zambrano is a complete nutcase and I want him nowhere near New York
I’ll take AJ. Zambrano’s not even that good. I’d rather take a chance with AJ bouncing back with his new mechanics rather than see if Zambrano can go a month on the Yankees without being suspended.
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Zambrano
Zambrano’s floor is basically 1) AJ Burnett right now or 2) He goes crazy & goes suspended in June.
If we get the worst case scenario, then 1) We’re no worse off, but we can get rid of him a year faster or 2) we’re less invested in Zambrano (since he’s already a gamble & it’s only a year), so the resistance to releasing him and bringing up a B is lower than giving up on Burnett.
by PortlandYankee on Sep 13, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats only if you have absolutely no confidence in AJ being able to bounce back
I’m not sure I have confidence in it either (though I’m hoping for it), but I have more confidence in AJ’s new mechanics turning him into a better pitcher rather than taking a chance on Zambrano in New York. The guy is insane.
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If Burnett continues to suck next season I could see the Yankees “Barry Zitoing” him and keep him on the phantom DL so that they can have some other pitcher start.
I could see that too
I should have said, “he’s a lock to start the season in the rotation” for the next two seasons. If he’s ineffective for a long period of time I doubt the Yankees will have as long as leash for him as they’ve had these past two years.
I hope his new mechanics will help him become a better pitcher though. If he can get even close to 2009 form again during this contract, then I’d really appreciate it.
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It's Bernie's birthday today
I say, let him start!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Sep 13, 2011 11:28 AM EDT reply actions
happy birthday!
Someone do a guitar solo for him
A told B and B told C, "I'll meet you at the top of the coconut tree."
by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 13, 2011 11:34 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I would, but my guitar is gently weeping
I’d ask what’s wrong, but I don’t want to pry.
by long time listener on Sep 13, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I just looked at the floor
and I see it needs sweeping.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Sep 13, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe it looked at the world and noticed it’s turning
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by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 13, 2011 12:00 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Of course I would let Posada catch. It's not like they would have to sign him out of his nursing home to do it.
Even if he has gone senile, all he has to remember is to wag one finger to signal for the cutter. I think Mariano Rivera can take it from there.
Can’t say I’m surprised that ManRam assaulted his wife. People living in New England, like me, remember that he pushed the Red Sox clubhouse guy, who was 74 years old down a flight of stairs because he couldn’t comp Manny 100 tickets to a Yankees game. Even though there’s no reason for him to still be ‘roiding, I understand that the bouts of roid rage can recur at any time. Also, he’s just an just an AHole of the first magnitude.
I have more faith that Phil Hughes will be fully recovered from his dead arm next year than I do that AJ Burnett will perfect the 60 foot long curve ball. That said, neither Darvish nor Wilson would seem to be the Yankees best investment of their free cash. When you consider that David Robertson is costing them all of $467,000 this year, it makes the point that having your homegrown talent pan out is the best way to go.
by designatedquitter on Sep 13, 2011 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm not a fan of Posada catching #602
Why put the extra pressure on Mo in that situation? Really, it’s just another save, and they should be more concerned with getting the game in the Win column than with artificially created drama. Nothing against Jorge, I just think that making such a big deal mid-game about the save puts unnecessary pressure on the pitcher.
As for Wilson vs. Darvish, I’m in favor of Darvish for these reasons:
- If you are going to spend money, go with youth over age
- Likely, less money counting against the luxury tax with Darvish (since the posting fee is not counted)
- Wilson having a career year in the AL West vs. Darvish dominating in Japan – seems like equal risk that they cannot do it in the AL East
- Saves a first round draft pick
Lastly, Travis you say “TBA” for the run value of framing pitches. I suspect you are being facetious, but it would be pretty cool if you really could calculate that.
I agree about Mo and Posada
what are they going to put Posada in and what if he blows the save? are they then going to stick Posada in there until he actually gets the save? Sounds pretty dumb to me.
Yep. I’m all for Jorge catching Mo’s eventual record-breaking save. The difference between the corpse of Posada and Ivan Rodriguez in his prime catching pinpoint fastballs/cutters for one inning is much smaller than you think.
by Scooby Snacks on Sep 13, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
what?
think about the actual act of taking out the catcher and putting Posada in. It looks ridiculous. It’s like if all of A-Rod’s teammates were standing next to him waiting for him to hit his 600 home run. It’s absolutely silly to put someone in for nostalgia purposes (even if Posada would be fine for an inning) but then again, Bill Buckner was only in the game because the manager wanted him to be on the field to celebrate. Winning matter more than feel good moments. Jorge will come out and hug him and it will feel good, don’t worry.
It's not me doing
the calculations. It’s a baseball analyst I follow on Twitter. But no, he does actually have run values for them.
I just saw that he did post a run value for Martin’s framing. It’s now in the article.
Mo does not know what the word pressure means
So therefore you cannot add any to him
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Sep 13, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure he does
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by Captain_Mick on Sep 13, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Problem is when he drives
He keeps swerving his car left at the last second, frustrating all the other drivers
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Sep 13, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have no issue with Posada catching his #602 save
It doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things, so I see no harm in it at all. It’s a half an inning, it’ll make for great photos in the Yankees Museum, and despite the hype of saves in general, I love Mo and Posada, so there’s no harm in letting them have their moment. Besides, he’ll only be catching Mo’s record breaking save. He won’t be catching Mo’s final save. Hopefully that honor befalls upon Jesus. Or whomever catches after Jesus retires, since Mo will obviously pitch forever.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Sep 13, 2011 12:26 PM EDT reply actions
concerning Hughes
I wouldn’t look at getting rid of him for a little while. he’s still only 25 and has room for improvement. I think giving him him a full year to pitch and be healthy can help him. look at Ian Kennedy now, I’d hate to give up on Hughes and then in 2 or 3 years he’s a successful pitcher
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
by NJsandman on Sep 13, 2011 1:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
My worry is...
It’s widely known that the Yankees are not the creme of the creme in regards to developing pitchers. Hughes might not have that chance to turn it around, especially with the next crop of young starters waiting to crack the big leagues.
I’m all for letting him figure it out, but I’d venture a guess and say he doesn’t have a long leash, unfortunately…
If you’re the Yankees brass and it’s 2012 and Hughes is still struggling, pitching inconsistency…do you start peeking into the minors and look to move Hughes out of the organization, into the bullpen or send him down to “fix” his issues.
Yu Darvish
Sign him. Next season, go with CC-Darvish-Nova-Burnett-Hughes. I’d have a lot of confidence in a rotation like that, and even more knowing that Warren and Phelps would be waiting in the minor leagues and ManBan and Betances are close to being ready as well.
I really want Yu Darvish.
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I would rather sign Darvish or Jackson over Wilson.
Darvish because of his tremendous upside or Jackson because he’s a solid mid rotation starter that would cost far less than Wilson.
This
I’d rather have Darvish than Jackson due to his upside but Edwin Jackson is a good pitcher, and if he can pitch at an AJ 2009 level for a few years, then thats acceptable to me since he won’t cost too much and he’d stabilize the rotation.
Wilson’s a Type A free agent too, where as I think Jackson will only be a Type B. I’m not completely sure though.
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Get on the wagon now
Japanese wagons are smaller than American ones, so there’s less room…
by PortlandYankee on Sep 13, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Darvish I can see
But no way do I pick EJax over Wilson
by cookiedabookie on Sep 13, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Because you want to sign a 31 year old with a huge increase on his workload that will cost a first round pick to a six year deal?
No
Because Jackson is a hittable, league-average pitcher who will get eaten up in the AL East. Look at what has happened to Burnett and Lackey, both who had better track records and peripherals than Jackson. Simply put, you do not sign a league average, hittable, low-k pitcher in the AL East and expect a difference. He would probably put up close to a 5 ERA, and be ripped as a terrible signing like AJ.
Now, Wilson has his warts – his innings have increased and he will cost a first rounder, as you have said. Also, he has had faced relatively weaker competition than most pitchers with his peripherals this year. However, he has also pitched in Arlington, which is not particularly pitcher-friendly. This offseason, there are no front-line free agent SP options, but he is the best available at this point, not Jackson.
With all of this said, I would rather pony up for Darvish at this point.
by cookiedabookie on Sep 13, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Jackson has not recently pitched in pitcher friendly environments either, sans his 2009 season in Detroit. Chicago and Arizona are hitters parks and he has kept a ERA and FIP in the upper 3’s. He throws 200 innings every year and his ~7 K/9 isn’t as terrible as you make it out to be. The Yankees defense is better than the ones that have been playing behind him the last couple of years. He just turned 28 years old so you would be getting him in his prime. I think he will continue to be a solid mid rotation starter for the next couple of years. That being said, I agree that Darvish has too much upside to pass up, and hope that he is the pticher than ends up in the Bronx.
Another thing about Jackson:
He IS a Scott Boras client so he may want four or five years. If that is the case, I say let him take his talents elsewhere.
You sign Darvish
and he comes close to his hype, and at least one of the Killer B’s pans out as a mid to back rotation starter you have a rotation that can go deep into the post season for the next 5+ years without having to give up draft picks.
CC, Darvish, AJ, Hughes/Nova, Betances/Brackman/Banuelos
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Sep 13, 2011 4:57 PM EDT reply actions
I don't think the Killer Bs would be quite ready yet
And Nova has proven himself- he’s going to be in the rotation. If they get Darvish, I think you’re looking at CC-Darvish-Nova-AJ-Hughes with Warren, Phelps, Betances and Banuelos in AAA, some of them ready to come up because of a possible injury or ineffectiveness.
If Darvish comes anywhere close to his hype, then he and CC would form a wonderful 1-2 punch at the rotation. And if Nova continues to build on this season, thats three solid starters the Yankees could have for multiple years, and I really like the sound of that. And if those three guys are solid then you can live with what you get from Hughes and AJ. And as back end guys, thats pretty good. They have the ability to pitch like top end guys.
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Noesi would be the first person I would give a spot to if/when someone goes on the DL next season.
But i think both Banuelos and Betances should have a shot at the rotation in 2013. I don’t know how that will work but we’ll see.
I think at least one of them probably gets traded
I hope it’s not ManBan, but it wouldn’t surprise me. If they sign Darvish they have a lot of quality arms and simply not enough rotation spots. AJ will be gone after 2013, but what other spots would be open? CC and Darvish would be locked in, and Nova and Hughes are both under team control for a while. Not too many open spots for all the Killer Bs, and even less likely possible openings for Noesi, Warren or Phelps.
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Well Huse actually hits FA after 2013.
But I’m talking at the start of 2013, when CC-signed pitcher-Huse-Nova-AJ will all be under contract. I hope that Banuelos gets a crack at the rotation at the start of that season, but we will see.
No, you're right
Not meaning the Killer B’s would be up next season but as a replacement for AJ eventually. I think if we sign Darvish, the Yankees are in contention (even more so than now) for quite a few years. Providing Darvish is what we all think he is.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Sep 13, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
They'll always be in contention
One of the things that goes with a 200 million dollar payroll. But you’re right about more so than we are now if Darvish is signed. There’s a difference between being a contender and being a legitimate world series threat.
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Just like the Phillies are a WS threat for the next handful of years
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by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Sep 13, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Hamels is a FA after 2012.
And the Phillies will be spending 80.286 million that season on Howard, Utley, Halladay, and Lee alone. They are no small market team but I could see Hamels testing the market and ending up somewhere else.
While I dont love giving up picks to get CJ Wilson, he isnt just having a career year pitching in the AL West
In 42 innings against Yanks, Rays, and Red Sox, Wilson is 3-0 with a 1.93 ERA and a WHIP of 1.00. He also had 44 Ks in those 6 starts. Last year he wasnt as good versus the Rays and Yanks but he dominated Boston once again. Wilson went 3-0 had a microscopic ERA of 0.86, a WHIP of 0.90 and 20 Ks in 21 innings.
Signing Darvish would make sense too but going after a lefty that has success pitching against the AL East is not the wordt thing either.
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He is too old for what he will be asking for salarywise
and then there is the cost of the pick. Darvish would probably cost less per year and his posting fee doesn’t count towards the luxury tax. Plus the Yankees would recoup quite a bit of that money back if he pans out because if you think the Japanese loved Dice-K, you should see how crazy they are for Darvish.
CJ could be like AJ in more than just stupid initialed first names. Older, does well against the east, will cost a fortune and could possibly fall apart. AJ used to dominate the Yankees and Sox hence why the Yanks signed him.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Sep 13, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
but with that said
I would not be heartbroken if they signed him and he were to continue to pitch around the level he currently is pitching. Luckily I am not sure the Red Sox would be in the Darvish sweepstakes. Considering Dice-K, the brass may not want piss off the dumb fanbase who would look at Darvish as Dick-K 2.0.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Sep 13, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the age factor shouldnt be as big with CJ as he hasnt pitched the amount of innings that many 31 year olds have.
Its also a bit crazy to think every pitcher over 30 is going to become AJ after the Yanks sign them. Darvish looks impressive but like the Sox being scared away from the market due to DiceK, you would think Cashman wouldnt even eat Japanese food after the Igawa debacle.
I honestly dont see Yanks getting either unless they somehow move AJ in a deal. If Milton Bradley and Carlos Silva can be traded, anything is possible.
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AJ was signed cuz of his AL East numbers and also had two solid years before he was a FA
not saying CJ is going to be AJ, but combine that with the draft picks and the reliever thing and the vegetarian thing I wouldn’t sign CJ with the Mets money.
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Didnt know about the vegetarian thing, Im out on CJ too now
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