Breaking down the MVP Race
The MVP Race is tight one and for the first time in a few years their is no runaway candidate for the award. Since 2003 when 10 different players received MVP votes only once have 5 candidates received any 1st place votes and that was in 2008 when Dustin Pedroia won his despite not being able to hit the high inside fastball.
Joey Bats has a 7.6 WAR and while he likely won't have another 50 HR season he is more than likely to get 40 HR this season and if starts hitting like he did in the first half he may still win the batting title. His numbers would actually be even better if their was anyone else in the Toronto lineup that scared opposing pitchers, which speaks to his 120 walks in 113 games. If Toronto had a better lineup then he would probably have a shot at the triple crown but its doubtful he will even get 100 RBI this year. Its really unfair that Bautisa is not running away with the MVP award because he deserves it. Its very frustrating for Blue Jays Fans as some over a Blue Bird Banter wrote about. Its funny too because The Blue Jays have the capacity to turn into a true sustainable power house team, because don't forget Toronto is a big city with an ownership group with deep pockets. Mike Axis from River Ave Blues wrote more about the Blue Jays here.
I'm just going to lump Pedroia, Ellsbury and Gonzalez together because they are all the reason why they might not win the MVP. Pedria ranks #2 in WAR this year and according to ESPN talking heads he is the greatest player ever because he plays with his heart on his sleeve and has cured cancer with his smile. Honestly seeing how much the ESPN and FOX people fawn over him is disgusting, if you remember from the Yankees Red Sox series they would not shut up about how great Pedroia even after he got caught stealing. Pedroia is having a great year and despite Cano deserving it more he will probably win the 2nd Base Silver slugger. Pedroia's case is hurt by the fact that Jacoby Ellsbury is hitting the ball well, playing good defense and showing some uncharacteristic pop. Adrian Gonzalez is the guy that everybody thought would win the MVP and while he looks like he is going to win the batting title he has only hit two Home Runs since June 25th and both of those were in July, I mean this guy hit 40 HR in 2009 at Petco park, where is the power? These three guys could draw MVP votes away from each other and make it that none of them win.
Curtis Granderson is the Yankees MVP Candidate and he is having a career year and is proving all those people who felt that the Yankees should have kept Austin Jackson dead wrong. He leads baseball in Runs Scored and tied with Ryan Howard for RBI's. He also has a good shot of going 40-40 and his average is creeping up and .300 is within reach. What is really weird is that he was intentionally walked 3 times last year and hasn't been intentionally walked once this year. Honestly the only thing that is not fantastic about his year is that he has grounded into 11 Double plays which while not a large amount is as many as he had the previous 3 years. He is really heating up to because after hitting .250 in July and June he has hit .369 in august and .359 over the last 28 days.
Right now Bautisa deserves the MVP but Pedroia would probably win his second undeserved MVP award if the voting happened today. however it should be noted that Pedroia, Gonzalez and Ellsbury have all been hitting .250 or lower the last week or two and while that's a small sample size Granderson and Bautisa have been hitting the cover off the ball the last two weeks with Granderson hitting 6 HR and batting .375 over his last 11 games. The MVP voting might see a very close winner with these five splitting the most MVP votes and possibly Zobrist and Miguel Cabrera stealing some top votes. We also still have a lot of baseball left to play.
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I hate to say it but
Adrian Gonzalez is the AL MVP
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by BrettGardnerLF on Aug 20, 2011 10:45 PM EDT reply actions
your reserve was correct
….Gonzalez is not the MVP.
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by Rorschach44 on Aug 20, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Jose Bautista is the MVP, it's not that close...
BUT baseball writers believe that if you are a great player that isn’t on a good team it is your fault and you don’t deserve the MVP so…
I have to think Granderson is in the lead right now. Looking at it from a baseball writer’s perspective, he leads the league in RBI and runs scored, he’s 2nd in slugging, 2nd in home runs and 2nd in OPS. In the categories that he’s 2nd in he trails only Bautista who has been disqualified for the asinine reason mentioned above. Granderson loses points in BA and OBP, but he plays a higher leverage defensive position than his main competitors, Adrian Gonzalez and Miguel Cabrera, which has to help him.
Granderson struggles relative to his competition in terms of WAR and other advanced stats, but most writers haven’t accepted these. I don’t think it’ll be a runaway this year by any means, but Granderson looks to be in great shape right now.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Aug 20, 2011 11:24 PM EDT reply actions
Bautista.
Sadly this poll is showing how homerish most of this site is. Well from the people who don’t show themselves. Granderson is not the MVP. Great year though.
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by DCyanks21 on Aug 21, 2011 7:11 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Bautista barely has a chance to win based on the way the MVP is handed out, so why would people vote for him in the poll?
It’s just most likely not gonna happen. Based on people who actually have a shot at winning, Granderson has been as good as any of them. Calling people homers for recognizing that is lame.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Aug 21, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
The poll says who should be.
Baustista should be.
Not who do you want/BBWAA would do. All I’m saying.
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Still doesn't make people homers to think the guy who has the best shot at it based on all of history should win.
It could easily be “Based on the way this award is given out, who should win?” That’s Granderson.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Aug 21, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I didn't read it like that.
It didn’t really imply that. Granderson could win based off that, but I didn’t think that was the question. You got to see why I called some people homers.
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Not really.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Aug 21, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Because clearly Bautista has been better than Granderson.
Any different thought seems homerish.
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His chances of winning are almost nil.
Unless the criteria for MVP changes or his team’s status changes, he’s not getting it, regardless of whether he’s deserving or not. He should be in the discussion, but if you are being honest based on the way the award is given out, he’s merely on the fringe.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Aug 21, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Why are you going off who the BBWAA will choose?
What I’m saying is that’s not the question.
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Because that's how the award is given out.
What is the point in saying that if it was given out differently, it’d be someone else. If anything was done differently, it would probably result in a different outcome. Everyone knows what Bautista has done this season, but everyone knows he’s not going to be the MVP. What’s the point in calling people homers for having a realistic expectation of who should win the award?
If it was the Most Outstanding Offensive Player award, we could talk about Bautista forever. It’s not.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Aug 21, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
The award is not best guy on best playoff caliber team.
Again I called them homers because the poll read “Who SHOULD be the MVP.” Who should be? Not who it will eventually be because the way writers vote. MVP, V stands for valuable. A value stat is WAR. Bautista leads WAR and several other categories. I hope that clears this up.
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And his V for Valuable is diminished by being on a team that isn't winning.
It’s not being a homer to not find him to be the MOST valuable in that respect.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Aug 21, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
He's more valuable than any other player.
He can be on the Astros and still provide more value than any other player. Hes the most valuable.
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In your opinion.
In someone else’s opinion, the most valuable player would lead his team to a playoff berth. Bautista is not going to do that.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Aug 21, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d like to hear who you think is the MVP, then. Another example of saying other arguments are wrong, but not making one of your own.
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by Brandon C. on Aug 21, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bautista.
I’ve said this many times and I’ll say it again.
Leads WAR, OBP, SLG, OPS, wOBA, wRC+
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Who gives a hoot
The award is most “valuable”, not “player of the year”. The Blue Jays suck with him and suck without him. The Yankees would be hurtin’ if not for Grandy.
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Last time I check WAR was a value statistic. In which Jose Bautista leads.
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WAR is valuable but not the end all unless you're being blind.
Granderson is close in all stats to Bautista and is far and away the best hitter on the team that’s leading the AL East. The only reason his WAR is any bit far behind Bautistas is cuz of his UZR, which is by and large complete horseshit.
Granderson is the MVP, or at worst close to it. No homer. Just correct.
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Bautista still leads other stats.
I never said Grandy isn’t close to the MVP, but when I look at Bautista’s other stats it’s him who should be MVP. I think Yankees2 also agrees with me.
When you put your argument out there it doesn’t seem like a homer comment to me. But some people go “Granderson’s on the AL East winning team! And he’s only 1 Home Run back of Bautista!” That annoys me.
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if the Blue Jays were popular you'd root for them
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by Rorschach44 on Aug 21, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea I thought everyone knew this.
I put this in profile.
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Free Bradshaw used to say it when the Yankees had Kerry Wood last year.
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Fun to see other's perspectives
I think most Sox fans think that ESPN and FOX spend too much time fawning over Cano. They are both very good players but I think it’s tough to say that Cano is more deserving of the Silver Slugger (not that the award matters a whole lot), Cano is only really leading Pedey with power numbers, everything else right now is in Pedroia’s favor, BB%,K%, AVE, OBP, and wOBA. If the voters are only looking at HR and RBI, then certainly Cano will be the favorite, but the award goes to the best offensive player at the position and I think Pedroia has been that.
As for MVP, my vote would go to Granderson, I think he’s being screwed over by WAR because of his UZR, I don’t watch many Yankee games but I do seem to remember Granderson being a plus defender and UZR has him at -9.2, which seems far too low while Bautista’s -2 seems not low enough. So I’m tossing WAR out of this. Granderson plays on the (unfortunately) requisite contender, and is right at the top of all the major offensive categories. I don’t think a Red Sox will win mostly because I think they will split the vote amongst themselves since the three of the work more as a unit at the top of the lineup rather than individually. Ellsbury I would have to believe is the comeback player of the year though.
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Ultimately
I think the award goes to whomever makes the most noise over the next 30-odd games of the season. These 5 are all so close and each distinguishing in their own way that who ever is hot when everyone is paying attention to the stretch run should carry that momentum into awards season.
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Its funny how most Yankees fans feel that ESPN and FOX fawn over Pedroia
and everything the gritty little engine that could Red Sox do. Pedroia’s definitely winning any vote this year tho if its comes to accolades for overall play at 2B in the AL. Cano’s been very good but Pedroia’s putting up numbers like his “MVP” year.
And yea, I don’t like the UZR thing either. Granderson make actually be a -9.2 and the nerds that came up with that may be correct. But anyone knows that he’s not nearly that bad in CF, he’s actually pretty good out there. And without him the Yankees are no where near contending, he’s been their most consistent performer all year.
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The most incredible thing is how he's doing it
Against righties AND lefties. And it isn’t even luck, BABIP is perfectly within range when looking at his LD%, he’s hitting both lefties and righties about equally well, which compared to his career numbers is astounding, he had pretty bad splits if I remember correctly. A buddy asked me who I thought the most terrifying Yankee was, he thought I would answer with CC, Tex of ARod, I said Granderson just because you can’t plan for him.
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He was terrible against LHers last year and really for all of his career
at the end of last year he reworked his swing with Kevin Long and just like Jose Bautista he was a beast the final moth of the season (Bautista the year before did this). No one really knew if it was something that would stand the test of time but it most definitely has. He’s gone into a few mini slumps here and there but has come back each time.
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by Rorschach44 on Aug 21, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Mini slumps happen.
He always hit the ball hard it seemed.
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Pedroia jumps up and down between pitches.
Let’s spend twenty minutes across multiple innings talking about this.
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1. Bautista
2. Cabrera
3. Granderson
4. A-Gon
5. Konerko
-Because seriously, are we going to continue to ignore Bautista’s still having an incredible season even with a slower second half?
-Cabrera has come out of nowhere and he’s the reason Detroit’s going to win the Central.
-Granderson > A-Gon because Gonzalez has slipped a little recently, but they’re interchangeable.
-Yeah, the White Sox suck. Really bad. But Konerko’s the only reason to watch them.
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by WhiteWinterHymnal on Aug 21, 2011 1:21 PM EDT reply actions
Pedroia and Ellsbury > Konerko.
Even Cabrera this year.
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Pedroia's been about the third or fourth best Sox batter this season.
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by WhiteWinterHymnal on Aug 21, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
^doesn't tell the whole story
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WAR is a good stat, but it's not the be-all end-all stat it tries to be.
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by WhiteWinterHymnal on Aug 21, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn’t try to be. It’s just commonly misused a lot.
by Scooby Snacks on Aug 21, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty much.
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by WhiteWinterHymnal on Aug 21, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
From A-Rod
"When people compare him to other players, you can’t forget he’s a center fielder and he’s playing a high quality defense out there," Rodriguez said. "He’s scoring a bunch of runs, RBIs, the two most important stats in baseball. And he’s helping our first-place team do what they’re doing. In my eyes, he’s the MVP."
Note where he says “the two most important stats in baseball.”
A-Rod’s just sayin’…
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If Granderson played on a different team he would have 75% of the Runs/RBI's he has now.
Ardo is wrong.
He's right and he's wrong...
Producing runs is the goal of an offense. You aren’t awarded a win if you have a higher OPS than the other team for the game.
But like you said, runs are produced by teams. If the hitters behind you and in front of you aren’t good, it makes it a lot more difficult to produce runs. RBI and runs scored show a result, but they aren’t sufficient at explaining the cause of that result. Other stats do a much better job of judging individual players.
Luckily A-Rod is a centaur and not a GM.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Aug 21, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
No Homer Vote
I’m a self-proclaimed Yankee Homer, but not a fan of Grandy. I hate it when talented players suck (Grandy-2010, AJSux-2010,2011), but I certainly came around into Grandy’s camp this year. Bats will lose some votes ‘cuz I’m certain some voters will agree the Jays could be in 4th place without him…How valuable is a player that helps his team win 84 vs. 74 games? 10 wins of value, or no deifference-fourth place either way? The stats comparisons are nice, and it’s pretty clear Bats has the lead in individual stats and Grandy does in the more team oriented, runs produced stats. But stats only take you so far, so when players are clearly ahead of their peers you need to actually watch some baseball. No corner IF/OF is gonna compare to a plus centerfielder (not even a GG), and Grandy’s plus base-running skills easily put him into first…not by a lot, but clearly the front runner. Notice how I got in a slam of AJ:)
Bautista is the clear best player, but you are right that a lot of voters will take into account how his team isn’t anywhere near the playoffs. Granderson has the best offensive production of the remaining candidates, and he plays center field. I don’t think there are very many voters looking at UZR or DRS, so that probably won’t hurt him. He will win the votes from guys that focus on HR, RBI, and average on playoff teams because although his average is much lower than AGon, Pedroia, or Elsburry, he has almost twice as many home runs as them all and more RBI and runs scored by quite a margin.
So now the guys in the subway are saying Jesus is coming on October 21, 2011, but that would mean he wouldn't be on the playoff roster, let alone be eligible for it. I really don't know where these guys are getting their information from...
Verlander. The Tigers are outside looking in without him.
by designatedquitter on Aug 22, 2011 2:30 PM EDT reply actions
Mike and Mike are on Verlander
ESPN AM radio and ESPN2 for those of you night owls.
Especially Greenberg. Make very good arguments. If season ended today I’d like to change my vote to Verlander.
by steelerwheeler on Aug 23, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Here is a crazy thought
Asdrubal Cabrera
.288 20hr 74 rbi 16 sb 76 r .829 ops, many highlight reel defensive plays at SS, the best player on the Indians all season.
He won’t win the MVP, but a top 5 finish would not be a shock either.
You know who used to make highlight reel defensive plays at SS all the time? Derek Jeter. Then when better ways of judging defense were developed, we found out he wasn’t all that good after all. Cabrera has even worse range than Jeter. And his offensive numbers aren’t good enough.
So now the guys in the subway are saying Jesus is coming on October 21, 2011, but that would mean he wouldn't be on the playoff roster, let alone be eligible for it. I really don't know where these guys are getting their information from...
Cabrera
Is the team MVP for a suprise contender, and his offensive numbers are pretty good (likely will win AL Silver Slugger) for a shortstop, and Cleveland is in a dogfight for 4th place without him.
by Iggy Poptart on Aug 23, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
He might be the MVP of that team, but that doesn’t make him the MVP of the league. His numbers are not even close to Bautista or Granderson, and both Ellsbury and Pedroia have better offensive numbers as well while also playing high-level defense at a defense premium position, something Cabrera does not do.
So now the guys in the subway are saying Jesus is coming on October 21, 2011, but that would mean he wouldn't be on the playoff roster, let alone be eligible for it. I really don't know where these guys are getting their information from...
Like I said,
He won’t win the MVP, but a top 5 finish would not be a shock either
by Iggy Poptart on Aug 23, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Since when is SS
Not a defensive premium position?
Second in the AL in ZR at short stop, third in assists
by Iggy Poptart on Aug 23, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
How about Ubaldo Jiminez
single handedly giving central to Detroit… although Indians GM helped.
Props to Cashman for not making any Jiminez trade
by steelerwheeler on Aug 23, 2011 12:13 PM EDT reply actions
How is this even close?
Toronto, Boston and New York have all had excellent seasons by their respective, aforementioned players. However, it really isn’t close. Even as a diehard Yankees fan, Joey Bats clearly deserves the MVP.
I agree, but he will lose votes simply for not being on a playoff team.
So now the guys in the subway are saying Jesus is coming on October 21, 2011, but that would mean he wouldn't be on the playoff roster, let alone be eligible for it. I really don't know where these guys are getting their information from...
Which is dumb in my opinion.
Should he swing at balls out of the zone because he’s being pitched around? Should he also pitch? I don’t understand…
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That’s the way it has usually gone. Josh Hamilton got the MVP last year – he had an incredible season, but he missed the final month – over Miguel Cabrera because Cabrera’s team was mediocre. The few exceptions to this rule are when guys on bad teams just blow the rest of the league away like Larry Walker in 1997. A-Rod did get an MVP on a last place team in 03, but I think that one was just because the voters felt bad for not giving it to him in 2002 when he had an epic season. Also nobody on a contender had a stellar year in 03.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Aug 27, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I think everybody is forgetting
the writers’/voters’ love for high batting average and the Red Sox. I’d be surprised if Adrian Gonzalez didn’t win it. His RBI total is up there, too.
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Nah, he’s going to have to ramp up his HR count quickly.
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