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Ivan Nova - Road Warrior; Number Two Playoff Starter?

 

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    The Yankees are going to make the playoffs. Barring a complete Metsian meltdown, it's probably safe to number the chickens (or at least start taking mental inventory).

    For the sake of argument, let's assume the season ends today. Boston takes the East, the Tigers take the Central, the Rangers win the West and the Yankees "settle" for the Wild Card. This would ensure the Yankees would be at homefield disadvantage throughout the playoffs, sending them to Texas for the ALDS.

    At this point, a few things are for certain: CC will pitch Game 1,  Eduardo Nunez will be securely fastened to the bench, The Binder will cause great rage and Brett Gardner will be benched the minute an opposing starter puts his mitt on his right hand. What has yet to come into focus is who takes the mound after CC.

    Most of the discussion has centered around the Yankees' scrap heap superstars, Bartolo Colon and Freddy Garcia, but perhaps it would be best that youth be served by handing the ball to Ivan Nova in Game 2.

    The Not CC's hit the road after the jump...

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    Let's get this out of the way now: Ivan Nova has been very good up this point of the season, he never should have been sent down to Scranton Wilkes-Barre in the first place, he has more than earned a rotation spot since his return and it would be a complete joke for him to lose his spot to Iron Chef Hughes.

    As good as Nova has been this season (19 GS, 11-4, 11 QS, 3.85 ERA, 4.27 FIP, 4.11 xFIP) his numbers on the road have been even better. So why is the 24-year-old bowling baller being overlooked as a potential #2 starter in the playoffs?

    Charts!

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    Honestly, Hughes and Burnett are only included because they're not CC and thus could be considered for the #2 starter spot for whatever reason The Binder deems logical.

    Amongst the realistic candidates, the numbers seem to raise the question, "why not Nova?" Small sample size is in effect a bit (roughly 50 TBF less than Colon and Garcia), but considering how consistent his numbers are and how he is constantly improving, heavy regression shouldn't be expected. His ERA and FIP trail Garcia by the slimmest of margins and his xFIP...well, that's a bit of a gulf between he and Colon. Despite not taking the lead in terms of runs, it's the batted ball numbers that could push Nova to the front of the line.

    Remember, in this hypothetical the Yankees open the playoffs against the Rangers. Considering they would be facing the team with the 2nd highest SLG in baseball, it would be in the team's best to shy away from giving up hard hit balls. Nova falls behind Colon in line drive percentage, but more than makes up for it with an absurd ground ball rate. He also stays far, far away from the fly ball, which (obviously) keeps him away from home runs; a decent strategy when the opposition can throw Josh Hamilton, Michael Young, Nelson Cruz, Mike Napoli and Ian Kinsler on the field every night.

    So play manager for a moment. Do you risk throwing the kid into the fire against a team full of mashers? Do you trust Freddy's smoke and mirrors to hold up or The Fat to be...well, fat? Does Phil Hughes start because he won 18 games?

    Go.

Poll
Who should start Game 2 of the playoffs?
Ivan Nova
88 votes
Bartolo Colon
76 votes
Freddy Garcia
9 votes
Shut up and stick to making pictures
18 votes

191 votes | Poll has closed

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by Rorschach44 on Aug 12, 2011 8:10 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree 100%.

He has been our second most consistent starter besides CC. He deserves it. It shows you how bad of a manager that Girardi is that he sent him down after a great start. I hope we fire him soon.

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by BrettGardnerLF on Aug 12, 2011 8:56 AM EDT reply actions  

While its true Nova should not have been sent down, I think there was a silver lining there, that is showing thru now....

Think about it… since he came back crazy Ivan has been a man child possessd….Sending him down was the wrong thing to do, and he thought the same thing…. but instead of pouting bout it, he put a huge chip on his shoulder, and now that he has that spot back, nothing in this world is gonna take it away from him….he has more of that killer look on the mound now too…. where at times he used to look like he was nibbling or bein tenative, no matter whos up now, he is comin after you with whatever hes got….his last start showed this… didnt have his best stuff, but he just said, Ok dont have my best but im gonna frickin beat you with whatever i got…. and he did just that….Keep it up crazy Ivan… all the way to october

by Nickel06 on Aug 12, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

…all the way to November!

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by Stepan the Ice! on Aug 15, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice job, Jedi. You should definitely write fanposts more often.

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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2011 9:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Nice post

Though I’d wait until the end of the season before making any sort of decision. Two weeks ago Colon would have deserved it, and a month ago AJ would have deserved it. Now Nova seems like a good candidate. CC is a sure thing to pitch Game 1 unless Girardi decides to do drugs on his way to the stadium, but after that it seems we just don’t know right now. It’s August 12th and each of these guys probably has 7-8 starts left to get on a roll or fall apart or anything.

Phil Hughes shouldn’t be considered, and I just would let the season run out and choose the 2-4 starters from Colon, AJ, Garcia and Nova before the playoffs begin. I don’t want to give up on AJ yet. Two starts ago his overall numbers looked very solid. And Colon has proven he can be dominant this season, so he should also be considered.

I can tell you this. Ivan Nova should never leave the Yankee rotation again. It seems like Girardi has finally realized that.

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by nyyrocks29 on Aug 12, 2011 9:27 AM EDT reply actions  

never?

Even when he’s 50? 80? Deceased?

by long time listener on Aug 12, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even when he’s deceased, he’ll still be a star. A white dwarf, to be exact.

So now the guys in the subway are saying Jesus is coming on October 21, 2011, but that would mean he wouldn't be on the playoff roster, let alone be eligible for it. I really don't know where these guys are getting their information from...

by Wraithpk on Aug 12, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, white dwarfs are usually the remnants of a nova. Supernova usually leave either a black hole or neutron star.

So now the guys in the subway are saying Jesus is coming on October 21, 2011, but that would mean he wouldn't be on the playoff roster, let alone be eligible for it. I really don't know where these guys are getting their information from...

by Wraithpk on Aug 12, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should of studied more for Earth Science.

I passed the regents though!

Ohio wouldn’t know about that.

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by DCyanks21 on Aug 12, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I voted Colon, purely based on experience in the post-season.

In a perfect world, the 4 playoff starters would be CC, Colon, Nova, and Garcia.

Also, as a starting pitcher, you can never be too fat. Nova is too thin. Just saying.

by designatedquitter on Aug 12, 2011 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

AJ

I bet it's good to be playing again, huh?

by david d on Aug 12, 2011 10:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Right now, I’d go with Colon. However, over the next six weeks things can certainly change.

I’m not completely sure, but I’m lead to believe that Ivan Nova would feel much more comfortable pitching at Yankee Stadium than on the road at another ballpark. Every player has nerves and it might be beneficial to put Nova on the mound in front of the home crowd. Maybe that will factor into the decision?

Either way, it’s a good problem to have.

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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2011 11:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Nova's road stats are just staggering compared to his home ones, which I think was the driving point.

His ERA is ~2 runs lower, his HR/FB rates are way down (duh). He’s great either way, but if you can play to his strengths, why not?

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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Aug 12, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Valid enough.

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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sigh. Led to believe*

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by Chris McKeown on Aug 12, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d go with Nova or Colon. But the way Burnett pitched when we won it all, damn, i’d love to see him pitch like that again when post season time rolls around.

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by i says on Aug 12, 2011 11:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Exactly

Which is why we wait and see if he can turn it around, and then decide on the rotation for the playoffs when that time finally comes.

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by nyyrocks29 on Aug 12, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the point is moot

I’d be surprised if he didn’t start a game 2 regardless of how the rest of the season pans out. If he flounders in a game 2, then he may not get another post season start. But I’d put my money on him getting the start in the 1st series.

I bet it's good to be playing again, huh?

by david d on Aug 12, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

You think?

I know he’s better this year than last but last year Girardi didn’t hesitate not to start him in the playoffs. If he doesn’t improve upon his numbers I’d be surprised if he pitched Game 2. I think he’ll improve though, but he actually has to do it.

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by nyyrocks29 on Aug 12, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Last season

we had Pettitte and Hughes was healthy. Things are a tad different.

I bet it's good to be playing again, huh?

by david d on Aug 12, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

It just makes you wonder

What if Andy didn’t retire and we did sign Lee?

We would kill anyone who tried to stop us,

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by i says on Aug 12, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

But…

CC
Lee
Andy
Hughes(fate would’ve made him healthy)
Burnett

We wouldn’t see Nova either, but i like this

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by i says on Aug 12, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see no reason to assume

that Andy-Hughes-Burnett would be superior to Colon-Nova-Garcia.

Lee would be good, for sure, but he’d also be locked into a very long term, high dollar contract. So, in a few years we’d have a pitcher on the down side of his career locked into $20mil/year. This would be not so good, especially since the Yankees have achieved pretty good pitching success this season for much less.

by waw on Aug 12, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh?

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by MattF15 on Aug 12, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no problem with Nova starting Game 2

With how Colon is pitching, I wouldn’t mind him as kind of a back stop to the rotation in the playoffs. And I mean that in the fattest way possible

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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Aug 12, 2011 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Colon

Colon is second behind CC in every advanced pitching stat except FIP. Nova is 3rd or 4th in all of them, and AJ is 3rd in xFIP and SIERA. My choice would be CC – Colon – Nova – Burnett.

So now the guys in the subway are saying Jesus is coming on October 21, 2011, but that would mean he wouldn't be on the playoff roster, let alone be eligible for it. I really don't know where these guys are getting their information from...

by Wraithpk on Aug 12, 2011 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Mine too

I don’t want Garcia pitching against the heavy offense teams. Boston will rough him up.

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by i says on Aug 12, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

The top 5 scoring offenses (other than the Yankees) are the Red Sox, Rangers, Cardinals, Reds, and Blue Jays. Garcia’s ERA against those 5 teams is a 4.46, which is closer to what his advanced metrics say his ERA should be around. I think we roll the dice on AJ, because if he has a good game he stands a much better chance against a good offense than Garcia does.

So now the guys in the subway are saying Jesus is coming on October 21, 2011, but that would mean he wouldn't be on the playoff roster, let alone be eligible for it. I really don't know where these guys are getting their information from...

by Wraithpk on Aug 12, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

But how many starts do you trust a guy

whose fastballs speed is that of a changeup?

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by i says on Aug 12, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would be fine with either,

but I’d lean towards the veteran Colon for the #2 spot.

by BrooksBridges11 on Aug 12, 2011 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Colon deserves the number 2 spot. His stuff is electric and he has the most called strikes in baseball. A former Cy Young winner with valuable experience is better than a young rookie with little experience who is still learning. In 2 seasons, i think i’d trust Nova as a number 2 starter.

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by i says on Aug 12, 2011 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

But if Colon pitches just as well home or away...

…why not pitch Nova on the road where he is much better? Colon would still be pitching game 3. Unless you are concerned the series goes 5 games, and Nova pitches twice. But, if Nova’s that much better on the road, I’d take that chance.

by waw on Aug 12, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nova is a groundball pitcher. I don’t really care what the small sample size of less than a year of splits say, I would prefer a groundball pitcher at Yankee Stadium.

So now the guys in the subway are saying Jesus is coming on October 21, 2011, but that would mean he wouldn't be on the playoff roster, let alone be eligible for it. I really don't know where these guys are getting their information from...

by Wraithpk on Aug 12, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't want him being nervous

On the road. I think a home crowd will help him despite what the stats say. just my opinion though

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by i says on Aug 12, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

It’s too much to ask a young rookie to go into a hostile environment on the road, and still expect him to pitch well.

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by i says on Aug 13, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd want to wait until the end of the season

First, I’d like to ride the hot hand in playoffs (dare you to say twss). Second, I’d like to check out the matchups. But I certainly don’t think Colon (or anyone else, for that matter) has a lock on the second playoff start right now.

by long time listener on Aug 12, 2011 4:56 PM EDT reply actions  

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by DCyanks21 on Aug 12, 2011 6:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Start Nova Game 3

My rotation at this point (which is still early):
1. CC (definite)
2. Colon (playoff experience + dynamic stuff)
3. Nova (stuff > Garcia, despite Freddy’s experience)
4. Garcia

Sorry AJ & Hughes, but there’s little that you can do the last month and a half to change my mind. Unless someone’s game goes to hell. Then I trust whoever’s pitching better.

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by Andrew GM on Aug 13, 2011 5:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Hughes is probably going to the bullpen

But Burnett is going to have 7-8 starts remaining, maybe even more. You really think there’s nothing he can do with those games to prove he belongs?

Thats why I don’t like talking about playoff rotations so early- there’s so much that can happen. And I’d be surprised if AJ wasn’t in Girardi’s mind for the playoff rotation as it is right now.

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by nyyrocks29 on Aug 13, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

This last month and a half could be make-or-break for AJ’s playoff chances. If he finishes the season strong, he’ll probably be 3rd in the rotation, but if he continues to struggle he won’t be starting in the playoffs.

So now the guys in the subway are saying Jesus is coming on October 21, 2011, but that would mean he wouldn't be on the playoff roster, let alone be eligible for it. I really don't know where these guys are getting their information from...

by Wraithpk on Aug 13, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if they'd even put him on the roster...

They didn’t with Javy last year, though they knew he wasn’t coming back in ‘11. AJ’s still gonna be here for another two years, so that’d be a real slap in the face. Obviously, I’d go with what’s best for the team, and if what’s best for the team is AJ not being on the playoff roster so be it. Let’s see how the next month and half goes.

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by Andrew GM on Aug 13, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even if he’s not in the rotation in the playoffs, he would probably be the emergency long man. Burnett is better than having some mop.

So now the guys in the subway are saying Jesus is coming on October 21, 2011, but that would mean he wouldn't be on the playoff roster, let alone be eligible for it. I really don't know where these guys are getting their information from...

by Wraithpk on Aug 13, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

This last month and a half is crucial for Burnett. He needs to pitch well, and if he does then no doubt he’s in the playoff rotation. If he finishes poorly or even at the same level of the last month (mediocre, but not great), then he’s at most in the same role as last year- 4th starter in the ALCS. I don’t think he’ll be left off the roster, but if he wants to start in the playoffs he needs to step it up over the stretch run.

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by nyyrocks29 on Aug 13, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

aj to the bullpen

unless he gets better, but he hasnt done well in august for the yankees.

by dwill8fan326 on Aug 14, 2011 7:11 PM EDT reply actions  

He's gonna get better

But even right now it isn’t fair to send him to the bullpen in favor of somebody who just recently made his second good start of the entire season.

And just because he has no wins for the Yanks in August doesn’t mean he hasn’t had good starts. The 15 inning game with Boston comes to mind, and I can remember some others as well.

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by nyyrocks29 on Aug 14, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Third

Hughes was really good against Toronto. Also, Hughes is getting better while AJ is regressing. Hopefully AJ can turn things around in KC.

by Briceratops on Aug 14, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

KC is a very young, aggressive hitting team

Thats a great matchup for AJ, and he’s pitched well against them in his career. Hopefully that continues tomorrow.

I know it’s not a great offense, but if he can give the Yankees a strong start there then I think that would be a nice confidence boost for him. A lot that goes into pitching is mental, and if he can gain some confidence that could help him going forward against Minnesota and then his starts afterwards.

I still stand by the belief that he’s a good mid-rotation starter. He’s in a slump. And I also think that if he can turn things around and be a viable option to start in the postseason (maybe as the third guy), then the Yankees chances of winning go way up.

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by nyyrocks29 on Aug 14, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

yay August

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by Rorschach44 on Aug 14, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

hughes?

i dont see why hughes wouldnt be a consideration… hes already proven he can win games last year and in his last 3 starts hes pitched 6 innings every one and has not allowed more then 2 runs….. if he keeps this performance up till the playoffs i think its a nobrainer who the 2nd starter is and thats hughes

by capz1990 on Aug 14, 2011 10:36 PM EDT reply actions  

i dont see why hughes wouldnt be a consideration

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