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A.J. Burnett and Phil Hughes on the Chopping Block



For those of you following Yankee news, it's recently been hinted at by Joe Girardi that Nova will keep his spot in the rotation.  I think most of us here will agree that he has certainly earned it.  At the beginning of the year, the consensus on this site was to expect about a 4.5 ERA from Nova.  The season isn't over yet, but he has definitely exceeded my expectations of him so far.  His 3.85 ERA is good for fourth best among our starters.  Since May 1st, he has an excellent 3.38 ERA.  His FIP, xFIP, and SIERA are all 4th best on the team, and his tERA is 3rd best.  My point is that he has definitely been one of our 5 best pitchers, as Girardi said.

So this leaves us with two guys, A.J. Burnett and Phil Hughes.  There is a lot of A.J. hate out there, but let's be honest here, A.J. at his best is the second best pitcher on this team.  The problem is that we haven't seen A.J. at his best often enough over the last two years.  There have been several games this year that I can recall off the top of my head where he has dominated for like 5 or 6 innings, and then imploded in his final inning, making his final box score look not-so-great.  A great example of this is his last game, where he shutout the Angels for 5 innings, then gave up 4 runs in the sixth.  Granted, it wasn't entirely his fault since the intentional walk to Izturis was one of the dumbest calls I've seen made all year, but A.J. did walk a batter in front and behind Izturis as well.  In other games, A.J. dominates except for a couple pitches that get jumped on by the opposition.  An example of this was his game against the Orioles where he went 8 innings and struck out 10 while only walking 2, but allowed 4 ER on 2 HR.

Now let's talk about Hughes.  Hughes' overall ERA is a 7.11, but since returning from the DL it is a 4.55.  However, he's only really had one bad start since returning.  If you exclude that start, he has averaged 5.75 innings per start at a 2.35 ERA.  The problem to keep in mind is that this is only 4 starts, so we're dealing with small sample sizes.  Taking A.J. out of the rotation has all kinds of ramifications, including his 16MM salary, plus risking really damaging his confidence for the future (remember: he's under contract for 2 more years).  So, as of right now, it looks like Phil Hughes could be the odd man out, looking at a late season trip to the bullpen for the playoffs.

But here's a conundrum:  What if on Hughes' last start against the Rays, he picks up where he left off in Chicago and throws a fantastic game?  Keep in mind, the guy was pretty good last year before he started to get tired at the end of the year.  If he shows that he is truly back, can you justify taking him out of the rotation either? 

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In my opinion, what decides this, as difficult of a decision as it is, is the potential for throwing one dominant start.  Either of these guys will most likely be the 4th starter, or possibly not start at all, in the playoffs.  Forget their season stats, all we might need is one strong outing out of either of them come October. 

I decided to analyze the starts of these two pitchers over the last two years by grouping starts into data buckets.  First is the "disastrous start" bucket, which is any start with ER >= IP.  Next is the "quality start" bucket, which is any start of 6+ IP and <= 3 ER.  Next was the "high-quality start" bucket, which was a start of 7+ IP and <= 2 ER.  Next was the "dominant start" bucket, which was a start with 8+ IP and <=1 ER.  Finally was the "complete game shutout" bucket, which is obvious, but neither guy had one over the last two years.  Obviously, dominant starts are a subset of high-quality starts, and high-quality starts are a subset of quality starts.  The following are my results:

A.J. Burnett - 58 starts
Disastrous starts = 11, 18.9%
Quality starts = 22, 37.9%
High-quality starts = 13, 22.4%
Dominant starts = 4, 6.9%

Phil Hughes - 40 starts
Disastrous starts = 10, 25%
Quality starts = 19, 47.5%
High-quality starts = 8, 20%
Dominant starts = 0, 0%

Now, there are a few ways of looking at this.  First of all, you will notice that Hughes gives you an almost 10% better chance of a quality start.  However, he also has a 6% better chance of imploding, and he doesn't give you the high-end opportunities that A.J. does, namely being his 2.4% higher chance of a high-quality start, and 6.9% higher chance of a dominant start.  If you want to give Hughes the benefit of the doubt and say that he was really injured at the start of this year, and therefore not count his 3 disastrous starts to begin the year, it puts his disastrous start level right at A.J.'s.  So it comes down to this:  Hughes might be the safer choice, but A.J. seems to give you the most high-end potential. 

Poll
Who would you chose to pitch one playoff game?
Phil Hughes
375 votes
AJ Burnett
254 votes

629 votes | Poll has closed

Comment 49 comments  |  5 recs  | 

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I still have high hopes for Hughes in the future

But it’s simply not fair to Burnett at this point to pull him from the rotation, even if Hughes is lights out on Saturday (which I’m not exactly expecting). At the start of this month (two starts ago), AJ Burnett had an ERA of 4.26 and overall very solid numbers for a middle of the rotation starting pitcher. Two starts (really that one against Chicago) have blown his ERA up to 4.60, and the fact that he hasn’t won since June has had the idiots on the news claiming that he needs to go, and the fans believing them (as shown by the Daily News poll that asks who should leave the rotation- 81% chose Burnett). But has he really pitched that badly? The first three months he was excellent, and he’s been mediocre since. Not terrible, but not good either.

Hughes on the other hand, was awful to start the year, came off the DL and has been mediocre since. His last start was brilliant, but it was his first good start of the entire season. And his relief outing against Boston (though it was in relief) where he started throwing meatballs again did not exactly inspire confidence. He was mediocre in his first two starts since returning, terrible against Oakland, mediocre again against Seattle and then outstanding against Chicago. I don’t see how thats a much safer choice than AJ is as some people are making it seem.

I’d say, leave AJ in the rotation and give him a chance to work it out. If he goes on a roll like we know he’s capable of doing, all it will take is 2-3 good starts to get his numbers back to looking respectable. You don’t take somebody who has been decent this season and who has such a high upside and send him to the bullpen in favor of someone who hasn’t done anything this year. It doesn’t make sense.

CALL UP JESUS MONTERO!

by nyyrocks29 on Aug 11, 2011 8:09 PM EDT reply actions  

The poll needs a neither choice.

CC
Colon
Garcia
Nova when requires.

AJ currently would not make my playioff roster and if Hughes makes it it would be in the pen.

There is plenty of time for things to change but right now the 4 I’ve named have earned the spots. I admit you caN ARGUE ORDER AND THERE ARE OTHER VALID ORDERS.

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by Cbeck3 on Aug 11, 2011 8:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, the question was meant to be if you had to choose one, which would you choose.

So now the guys in the subway are saying Jesus is coming on October 21, 2011, but that would mean he wouldn't be on the playoff roster, let alone be eligible for it. I really don't know where these guys are getting their information from...

by Wraithpk on Aug 11, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still trust AJ more than Hughes right now.

Hughes is going to need more than one good start before I’m satisfied.

Unless you're a pitcher or Gustavo Molina, kindly SWING THE BAT and ignore the Binder's bunt signal.

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by Andrew GM on Aug 11, 2011 8:53 PM EDT reply actions  

81% of Yankee fans disagree apparently

According to the Daily News poll. What has Hughes done to convince 81% of the Yankee fanbase that he’s a viable option? Unless hatred for AJ Burnett has something to do with it.

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by nyyrocks29 on Aug 11, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guarantee that it has something to do with prejudice.

And you all know I’m no huge AJ fan (I have stated my position many times and have argued against the notion that he has pitched above average) but there is a lot of irrational hatred towards him because of his salary and his supposed “mental shortcomings.”

by Briceratops on Aug 11, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I admit it's frustrating to watch him pitch sometimes

The thing I’ve noticed on multiple occasions this year is that he’s just cruising along against a team and then he loses it in the middle innings, sort of like the problems Nova had last year. We saw it against the Angels, but that was just one of the times. For the season, the numbers are mediocre and I think he’s pitched slightly better than mediocre. I also think he’s going to improve though, and hopefully by the end of the season (he has 8-9 starts left unless he’s stupidly removed from the rotation) he’ll have respectable mid-rotation starter numbers and be an option to start in the playoffs.

CALL UP JESUS MONTERO!

by nyyrocks29 on Aug 11, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m seeing the same thing as you. He has games where he is brilliant for like 5 innings, and then gets shelled in his last inning, making his overall numbers be mediocre in the end.

So now the guys in the subway are saying Jesus is coming on October 21, 2011, but that would mean he wouldn't be on the playoff roster, let alone be eligible for it. I really don't know where these guys are getting their information from...

by Wraithpk on Aug 11, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fortunate thing is he's minimized the damage

Lots of mediocre outings, but only three real awful ones as opposed to last year when it seemed like every other start he was out of the game by the third inning. He’s giving the Yankees innings and keeping them in the game this year, which is fine for a back end starter. Thing is, the Yankees (and me) want AJ to be a viable option to start in the playoffs. So he needs to replace some of those mediocre outings with good-great outings over the last two months.

Assuming he’s still in the rotation, I think Monday against the weak hitting Royals is a good place to start. Get a win and build his confidence a little and then go from there.

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by nyyrocks29 on Aug 11, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

To me, this would signify

that the hitters are adjusting to his pitching after a couple of at bats and at the same time he’s pitching them the same each at bat. You can’t pitch guys the same time and again, because they will adjust, and that seems to be what is happening.

I bet it's good to be playing again, huh?

by david d on Aug 12, 2011 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

EIGHTEEN WINZ

Unless you're a pitcher or Gustavo Molina, kindly SWING THE BAT and ignore the Binder's bunt signal.

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by Andrew GM on Aug 11, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, this is probably rationale for a lot of people.

"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."—Billy Martin

by Chris McKeown on Aug 11, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."—Billy Martin

by Chris McKeown on Aug 11, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Complete prejudice and idiocy. That’s what it is. A surprising amount of Yankee fans aren’t the brightest.

"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."—Billy Martin

by Chris McKeown on Aug 11, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oooh, front paged

So now the guys in the subway are saying Jesus is coming on October 21, 2011, but that would mean he wouldn't be on the playoff roster, let alone be eligible for it. I really don't know where these guys are getting their information from...

by Wraithpk on Aug 11, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I had to. I like this article and we haven’t front paged a fanpost since Vietnam. Nice job, Wraith.

"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."—Billy Martin

by Chris McKeown on Aug 11, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

My Madlibs one was, yo.

"in order that you will write correctly of wat you really see if you dint go around with your eyes shut"
Cricket blog?

by MattF15 on Aug 11, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, I was late to the party on that one. I can’t believe how many rec’s you got… too funny.

Actually, it’s sort of sad and funny. Because you hit the nail on the head… people post fanposts exactly like the sarcastic format you did.

"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."—Billy Martin

by Chris McKeown on Aug 11, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol. As will I.

"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."—Billy Martin

by Chris McKeown on Aug 11, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I

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by Q-TDSK on Aug 11, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who front paged it without rec-ing it? lol

Unless you're a pitcher or Gustavo Molina, kindly SWING THE BAT and ignore the Binder's bunt signal.

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by Andrew GM on Aug 12, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's too early to make this call

According to Baseball Prospectus, the Yankees currently have a 99% chance of making the playoffs. The team has the luxury now to let them both continue to start games until the end of the season. Going forward, we all know A.J. isn’t going to get skipped unless he’s hurt. It will be entirely up to Phil Hughes to perform well down the stretch and show that he deserves to be a playoff game starter over Burnett. I would definitely play the hot hand in October. A betting man would say that the Girardi’s binder dictates that A.J. gets the nod to start.

by Scooby Snacks on Aug 12, 2011 2:10 AM EDT reply actions  

As much as I hate to say it

I chose Burnett. Hughes hasn’t proven to me quite yet to be that guy. AJ has done it in the past and that experience gives him the nod, imo.

I bet it's good to be playing again, huh?

by david d on Aug 12, 2011 2:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Neither

but I did pick AJ. As much as I like to tell people how much he SUX, he can look good for a while before his ultimate implosion.

Nice article, both of these guys figure in the Yanks future, fortunately Yanks have enough money and depth to be WS contenders even if neither guy ever gets another W.

by steelerwheeler on Aug 12, 2011 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

AJ pitches better in big game situations =

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by i says on Aug 12, 2011 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

I choose

the bottle of pepto i’ll be chugging if either of those two are called on to start a playoff game for the NYY. There’s zero reason for a 5-man rotation in the playoffs and those two are so far and away behind Nova, Colon and Garcia for the 4th spot, they’d need a plane to catch up.

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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 12, 2011 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t know that they are that far behind Garcia. I agree that CC, Colon, and Nova should be your first 3, but how well will Garcia fare in the playoffs with his smoke and mirrors act? I can’t believe he’s kept his ERA in the low 3s for this long, it can’t hold up forever.

So now the guys in the subway are saying Jesus is coming on October 21, 2011, but that would mean he wouldn't be on the playoff roster, let alone be eligible for it. I really don't know where these guys are getting their information from...

by Wraithpk on Aug 12, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but look at his xFIP. Garcia has not shown the ability to regularly depress his HR/FB ratio over his career. His career average is 10.9%, very close to the 10.6% rate that the theory of xFIP says almost all pitchers will regress to. This year his rate is at 5.9%, meaning he could be due for some heavy regression. xFIP is a better stat to look at, in his case. Beyond that, his LOB% is the highest of his career, so that could come down too, which would further raise his ERA if it does. xFIP and SIERA have him as the 5th best starter, and tERA as the 4th best, as he passes AJ in that category

So now the guys in the subway are saying Jesus is coming on October 21, 2011, but that would mean he wouldn't be on the playoff roster, let alone be eligible for it. I really don't know where these guys are getting their information from...

by Wraithpk on Aug 12, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Cashman

Just all but answered The Burnett vs. Hughes question. This isn’t surprising anyways but I think it’s a safe bet to say that AJ will be the starter on Monday in KC.

CALL UP JESUS MONTERO!

by nyyrocks29 on Aug 12, 2011 6:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Not sure, but if when you think of AJ hate you think

of me – then I may have a mild surprise for ya.

If you gotta send 1 to the pen — it has to be Hughes.

He has the experience and the proven head and heart to succeed in the pen. God knows what you’d get with AJ: a) sending him out to the pen, and; b) actually handing him the ball in the middle of a game where he suddenly has to take control of it.

If he can’t control a game he starts how the hell is he ever going to be effective from the pen — unless you turn him into a 16mm mop (and THAT aint gonna happen.)

Nah. Best keep trying to get AJ “right” and move the guy who can either help you the most or hurt you the least to the pen.

That’s Hughes — with AJ whiffleing his way from start to start until a blockbuster trade or his contract is up. (Or until he actually becomes the kind of “lean on me” #2 guy a #1 pitcher who had the kind of night CC had can actually rely on to have his back.)

by rosebud on Aug 13, 2011 1:18 AM EDT reply actions  

why is that when we talk about phil's numbers we remove all his bad games?

i can understand the terrible start because of the maybe injury, but since he came off the DL he has a 4.5 era or whatever it is. you dont get to just remove his one bad start or so because it helps you make a case for him.

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by nodisrespect on Aug 13, 2011 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

In the analysis I did, I didn’t take out his bad starts. I suggested you might take out his first 3 starts of the season if you think he really had some injury, which it looks like he might have.

Still, since his return from the DL, 4 out of Hughes’ 6 starts have been quality starts. Out of AJ’s last 6 starts, exactly 0 have been quality starts. You have to go back to June 29th for his last quality start. So, my point is that Hughes will give you a better chance of a quality start, but he probably won’t give you an 8 inning 1 or 2 run performance like AJ is capable of doing from time to time.

I think it will depend on the circumstance. If we’re up 2-1 or 3-0 in a series, we should probably throw Hughes out there because it’s not a must-win game. If we’re down 1-2 or 0-3, AJ might be the better choice and just pray Good AJ shows up.

So now the guys in the subway are saying Jesus is coming on October 21, 2011, but that would mean he wouldn't be on the playoff roster, let alone be eligible for it. I really don't know where these guys are getting their information from...

by Wraithpk on Aug 13, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

my guess is you to bullpen

So now the guys in the subway are saying Jesus is coming on October 21, 2011, but that would mean he wouldn't be on the playoff roster, let alone be eligible for it. I really don't know where these guys are getting their information from...

by Wraithpk on Aug 14, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The players in the bullpen could definitely use a computer to check their e-mail when they are not pitching. I’m on board with this idea.

by Briceratops on Aug 14, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hughes kept his velocity in the 92+ range on Saturday. Only AJ's contract keeps him in the rotation.

In 2014, there is a 0.0% chance that the Yankees re- sign Burnett. There is a 75% chance Hughes is in the rotation then, along with some ‘killer B’s’ and maybe a free agent. I would expect Colon and Garcia to have retired. This year’s roster is definitely a transitional one, and I don’t think Cashman really expects it to win it all. I know I don’t.

by designatedquitter on Aug 15, 2011 11:02 AM EDT reply actions  

In all fairness, there really weren’t any viable options for starters in the offseason. Obviously Cliff Lee was the big name, and he straight up decided Philadelphia would be best for him.

The only option Cashman really had was to try and catch lightning in a bottle, which he surprisingly did not once… but twice. I agree with you that this is a transitional year as far as starting pitching. There are tons of promising arms in the minors that could contend for a rotation spot next year. But with Pettitte retiring and the Yankees missing out on Lee, there wasn’t anywhere to turn other than signing low-risk, high reward type guys.

"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."—Billy Martin

by Chris McKeown on Aug 15, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's in the rotation

He’s not going to the bullpen.

CALL UP JESUS MONTERO!

by nyyrocks29 on Aug 15, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

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