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How Does the Lineup Shake Up With Montero?

Manny Banuelos just got called up to Scranton, and according to various reports, he's not the only guy who's going to be moving in the coming weeks. Austin Romine and Dellin Betances could as well be on their way to AAA, but the biggest one of them all could be on his way to the Bronx quite soon. Yes, according to multiple sources, Jesus Montero is on the verge of a callup to the Yankees. This is only a couple months late, but better late than never. Cashman has made statements about the Montero rumors, but I'd be stunned if he isn't up within the next couple weeks. 

So assuming Montero finally gets his deserving callup to the big leagues, I'm wondering how it would shake up the Yankees lineup. Russell Martin can't hit for his life, but the team loves him and how he "handles the staff", so while he may lose playing time I doubt he loses his starting spot. Francisco Cervelli is doing fine as a backup and actually hitting better than Martin has over the last two months, and also hits well with runners on base. Additionally, his defense has been much improved over the last few months after forgetting how to throw the ball when he was playing every inning during May.

That leaves Jorge Posada. I love Jorge and everything he has done for this team. He's been one of the most productive catchers in Yankees history and he's a borderline hall of fame candidate. However, everything has changed this year, as aside from a 3 week hot streak Posada has been completely useless out of the DH spot. And he's the designated hitter, so he provides no defense at all. His line is ugly, and he's hurting the team. He's hurting the team probably more than Martin and Cervelli are. Just something to keep in mind.

When Montero comes, he needs to play. The Yankees need to insert him into the lineup and have him play 5 days a week. But how are they going to do that? Thats what I'm not exactly sure about yet.

Russell Martin is not losing a roster spot and in all likelihood is not losing his starting spot either. I'd assume Montero would be getting some starts behind the plate with a lot of ABs coming as a DH. So Martin is out of the equation for now. So right now, I see four possible options the Yankees can go with.

Option 1: Francisco Cervelli to AAA, Jesus Montero to the majors

This I think in all likelihood is what the Yankees go with. If this were to happen, I think when Martin catches, Montero would be the primary DH, and then when Martin needs a day off, Jesus Montero goes behind the plate and the Yankees make Chavez, Posada, or Jones the DH. 

Option 2: Andruw Jones DFA'd, Jesus Montero to the majors

This is another option that I actually sort of like, because it involves getting Andruw Jones off the roster. It allows Cervelli to stay on the roster as the backup catcher and Montero I would insert again as the primary DH. Martin catches, Montero is the DH, Posada is relegated to a bench role. When Montero is catching or has a day off, Posada can be a DH, but mostly Posada's role is reduced to a part-time DH only.

Option 3: Jorge Posada released, Jesus Montero to the majors

The report on CBSSports says that this is a possibility, but I find this unlikely. Posada has done so much for this franchise, and I don't think Cashman just dumps him. He may lose his starting spot, but I doubt he leaves the roster. You never know though. Under this condition, Montero becomes the full time DH, catches sometimes when Martin needs a day but for the most part is a DH. 

I actually like this idea as well. Posada has been useless this season. I seriously doubt they cut him in favor of Montero, but I care more about the Yankees winning a World Series than I do about Jorge Posada being happy. Posada's been great for the Yankees, but his career is probably over after this year anyways. 

Option 4: Nova/Hughes to the minors, Jesus Montero to the majors

When Nova got recalled to make his start, Chris Dickerson got sent down to Scranton which left them one position player short. Montero would bring that position player back up, with one of Nova or Hughes going down. Now I support Phil Hughes going to the minors if he doesn't get his shit together within the next couple of starts, but I don't think that should be the Yankees way of getting Montero up here. Montero I'd bring up for another position player, and then I'd send Hughes down and recall Dickerson or Golson to replace him. 

Star-divide

Those are the options I can come up with. If anybody has other ideas please share. It's Baby Jesus time. It's been Baby Jesus time for a couple months. If it were up to me, Martin would become the primary backup and Montero would become the full time starting catcher, but that isn't going to happen. So these are the options I could see the Yankees going with.

Poll
When Jesus comes, who leaves?
Ivan Nova
5 votes
Phil Hughes
17 votes
Andruw Jones
90 votes
Jorge Posada
46 votes
Francisco Cervelli
137 votes
Still don't think Jesus is ever coming
38 votes

333 votes | Poll has closed

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I disagree with getting rid of Jones.

I’ve actually warmed up to him. He has done what has been asked of him, which is to walk (11.3% BB rate) and hit lefties (.380 wOBA). It’s definitely the product of a small sample size, but he has been a solid bench player. I’d look into getting rid of Ayala or Cervelli instead.

by Briceratops on Aug 1, 2011 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Ayala is one I didn't think of

that could be another possibility.

CALL UP JESUS MONTERO!

by nyyrocks29 on Aug 1, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather send out Posada

Cervelli vs. Posada right now seems to be a wash at the plate (its been that bad for Jorgie), tho that’s probably not giving enough credit to Cervelli. And of course as far as defense, Cervelli actually has some value, tho I guess Posada as a 1B hasn’t been bad…tho its more of a ‘throw the old fart a bone’ type of way of getting him in the game.

Honestly I don’t really care among these options, I’d miss none of these players if they went away. Montero just needs to be up here already, I’m tired of the Cs and DH spot being an open hole.

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by Rorschach44 on Aug 1, 2011 4:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Even Free’s against open holes now? That just tells you they GOTTA make a move

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by Andrew GM on Aug 1, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno, I realize Montero will probably be a great player at his prime...

but I don’t see him making so much of a big difference right now.

by yanksrule on Aug 2, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

if he did nothing, it wouldn't change anything considering who's here is doing nothing

if he hits even a little bit, it would be a big difference.

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by Rorschach44 on Aug 2, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

game calling doesn't matter.

at all.

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by Rorschach44 on Aug 2, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Says who?

AJ Burnett?

I bet it's good to be playing again, huh?

by david d on Aug 2, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

who says it matters?

there’s nothing that says it does.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Aug 2, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

so did Posada.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Aug 3, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

x

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by Rorschach44 on Aug 3, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Green it shall be.

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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Aug 5, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

beautiful

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by Andrew GM on Aug 7, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Posada

Posada just doesn’t have anything to offer this team. Are we going to have him take up a playoff roster spot because of what he did 10 years ago? He can’t play the field (except a poor first base from time to time) and he can’t hit. He’s dead weight. It’s sad because he’s meant so much to the team for a long time, but we can’t let sentimentality get in the way of our goal: winning a World Series. Unfortunately, Posada can most help us get to that goal by not being on the team. Andruw Jones is almost as bad of a hitter, but he can at least play the outfield decently enough, although I’d rather get rid of him as well and give his at-bats to Nunez and Montero.

So now the guys in the subway are saying Jesus is coming on October 21, 2011, but that would mean he wouldn't be on the playoff roster, let alone be eligible for it. I really don't know where these guys are getting their information from...

by Wraithpk on Aug 1, 2011 4:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd rather get rid of Jones and Posada as well

Though that leaves them one bat short off the bench since Montero is only one. Who else do you call up? I’d think Laird or Vazquez. Or they could have both Golson and Dickerson on the team.

CALL UP JESUS MONTERO!

by nyyrocks29 on Aug 1, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Posada

Like you said he is hurting the team. He had that stretch where it looked like he was getting back on track but that seemed to be all he had left. Cervelli is a much needed energy boost i cant see him going down.

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by CR00KS & C4STLES on Aug 1, 2011 7:09 PM EDT reply actions  

i like how Cervelli has done this year

Really been doing better lately after an awful start and been a serviceable backup. It’s not easy to hit at all when you play once every week and a half, and Cervelli has a better line over the last couple months than Martin has (which is sad). Probably better than Posada’s too.

CALL UP JESUS MONTERO!

by nyyrocks29 on Aug 1, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

couldn't agree more

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by CR00KS & C4STLES on Aug 1, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Russell Martin

Russell Martin should not be on this team, he is terrible and I don’t think he can handle being a catcher anymore. Cervelli has been a better backup than Martin has been as a starter. Perhaps Martin would improve as a backup player who could rest up a lot more, but i think he’s about due for a position change. You can’t DH one catcher and catch another because if the catcher gets hurt you lose the DH. They could keep 3 catchers by getting rid of Posada but I doubt that really happens. If Montero is coming up he is going to be the starter or at least split time, so i’m not entirely sure if this will help Martin that much. I think it will come down to either Martin or Cervelli. Posada has nothing to do with Montero because I don’t believe Montero should be installed as a DH, he is a catcher and that is it, he needs to learn to catch and DHing does not help that. Also if he were to DH that would mean we would need 3 catchers asan emergency and i doubt they decide to do this.

by jetanumba2 on Aug 1, 2011 8:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Sept 1

I honestly don’t see a role for Montero at this point. Keep in mind that the rosters expand in 4 weeks so whenever Montero is called up from AAA (say in a week or two) you’re only talking about a few weeks until september 1 and there is no way they release Posada under those circumstances. Martin is a big reason the staff ERA is so low and his game calling ability is severely undervalued by the posters here. Do you really think the Yankees are going to make a rookie the starting catcher with less than 1/3 of the season remaining (by the he’s called up)? Montero isn’t a great catcher, doesn’t know the staff and can’t be expected to call a game as effectively as either Martin or Cervelli. As for Montero replacing Cervelli as the back up catcher, that doesn’t really work either as he’d sit on the bench 5 days a week and if he takes over for Jones as the primary DH against lefties when he’s not starting at C then either you need Cervelli on the roster as the third catcher or you risk losing the DH if Martin is hurt. Probably best case scenario is they bring him up 10 days to 2 weeks before September 1st and let him acclimate to the big league clubhouse etc and play occasionally then after rosters expand they will have plenty of flexibility to use him more at DH. And he’ll be eligible for post season

by mdrguy on Aug 1, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Martin's game calling ability is severely overvalued by some posters here.

You really think he’s calling the game for guys like CC, Colon, AJ, and Garcia? No, they are calling their own game. Nova’s game is most likely called from the dugout. I think it is giving him far too much credit and the pitchers far too little credit to say that he is the reason they have done well.

He has been an offensive (both meanings) black hole since April. It’s been time for a switch.

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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Aug 1, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't see a role? How about DH?

Posada and Jones leave a lot of room for improvement. If he can provide that improvement, I’d like to see him on the team before September 1, so he can be eligible for the playoff roster. If he can’t, let’s at least find out before it’s too late to matter this season.

by waw on Aug 2, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

no role....yet the Catcher suck

there’s a role right there.

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by Rorschach44 on Aug 2, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Calls a good game? Can you show me statistical proof of this?

someone really has to disprove this myth. It’s getting out of hand and giving jobs to people who don’t deserve them. Did Cervelli call a good game during CC’s near no hitter?

I would be completely ok with Russell Martin sitting on the bench 5 days a week, have you not noticed he’s horrible? The man can’t handle a full time catching job, not only should he be made a backup and part time Catcher, he probably should be moved to a new position all together. Has no one really thought of this? Russell Martin is worn out and Girardi doesn’t even notice this.

by jetanumba2 on Aug 2, 2011 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dont like him catching, if he ever does become a great offensive player. See: Joe Mauer, Posey.

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by i says on Aug 1, 2011 11:08 PM EDT reply actions  

what about Piazza, Mike or Posada, Jorge?

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by Rorschach44 on Aug 2, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

i was just saying a couple

that recently happened.

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by i says on Aug 2, 2011 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he can't stay a catcher

whether through ineptitude or for safety’s sake we can always move him later, the catching depth we have gives us that freedom, but as of right now we need a catcher very badly and he should be given a chance to fill that need as a catcher, not as a DH. His bat is what we want so if he sucks at catching he can always be moved to a DH/1b/C type, which is what I imagine he will eventually become, but right now he’s young, full of potential and able to be taught so lets see how he does at catcher for now.

by jetanumba2 on Aug 2, 2011 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Posada and Martin

They are both staying. Martin for experience, Posada for the “memories”

Logically Posada should go but you do not cut one of the Core Four. A really bad PR move by the best franchise in baseball.

So, guess it is Frankie

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by MSP Giant on Aug 2, 2011 7:43 AM EDT reply actions  

For memories?

What the heck?

"I've got three bullies over there waiting for Thursday," Rob Ryan said. "These are proven players, and that's what we need. I don't know if we win the all-hype team, I think that might have gone to somebody else, but we're going to beat their ass when we play them."

by DCyanks21 on Aug 2, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Cashman will risk our postseason chances for sentimentality. Cashman gets payed to win in the postseason, not to stroke anyone’s ego.

So now the guys in the subway are saying Jesus is coming on October 21, 2011, but that would mean he wouldn't be on the playoff roster, let alone be eligible for it. I really don't know where these guys are getting their information from...

by Wraithpk on Aug 2, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that Posada won't be cut

If Montero gets called up they’ll either send Cervelli down or live with one less reliever for a few weeks. The rosters expand on Sept 1st anyway and Posada can always be left off the playoff roster.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Aug 2, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

As great as that would be, I’m sure all hell would break loose.

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by Chris McKeown on Aug 2, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Posada will not be cut

It may be logical but it won’t happen.

I would be OK with it if it did – but highly doubt it.

Just bad PR. REALLY bad PR. There are other ways to manage Posada.

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by MSP Giant on Aug 3, 2011 6:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shake up?

He’ll bat where Martin usually bats when he catches and he’ll bat 7th or 8th when he DH’s.

I bet it's good to be playing again, huh?

by david d on Aug 2, 2011 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

not the best title

I’m more interested in who leaves the roster rather than where he bats in the lineup.

CALL UP JESUS MONTERO!

by nyyrocks29 on Aug 2, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, okay

I’d dump Mitre and another mop or two and put Hughes in the pen as the permanent long relief (permanent for this season, at least) and Nova gets his spot back.

I bet it's good to be playing again, huh?

by david d on Aug 2, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Between Posada and Jones their combined WAR has been 0.0

Posada being -.4 and Jones being .4 .

Lets say Montero is the replacement player at 0.0. The Yankees then are the same, but Montero will likely have positive production so it’s going to help the club.

"I've got three bullies over there waiting for Thursday," Rob Ryan said. "These are proven players, and that's what we need. I don't know if we win the all-hype team, I think that might have gone to somebody else, but we're going to beat their ass when we play them."

by DCyanks21 on Aug 2, 2011 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

No way 4 catchers stay on the roster

Martin will be here as the starter. Posada will play out the year in NY. Montero and Cervelli would make that 4 catchers on the roster, so it looks like Cervelli would be the one to go down to AAA.

by Sports Fan! on Aug 2, 2011 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Posada is not a catcher

he’s more a first baseman than a catcher

by jetanumba2 on Aug 2, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s not catching this year. But he can definitely still play the position capably in a pinch. Best 3rd catcher in baseball.

by Sports Fan! on Aug 2, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Yankees would never put Posada in that position. I seriously doubt you will ever see Posada as a catcher again, unless of course you watch pre-2011 highlight videos.

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by Chris McKeown on Aug 2, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except that he wouldn’t be.

So now the guys in the subway are saying Jesus is coming on October 21, 2011, but that would mean he wouldn't be on the playoff roster, let alone be eligible for it. I really don't know where these guys are getting their information from...

by Wraithpk on Aug 2, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

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by Chris McKeown on Aug 2, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

He suffered two concussions last year

So no one is risking another one at this point that could really jeopardize his long-term health. Zero chance he sees even 1/3 of an inning at catcher.

by Scooby Snacks on Aug 3, 2011 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

And Bill Spaceman Lee's take on Russel Martin
Driving along Sherbrooke St., Lee remembers the first time he saw Russell Martin, the N.D.G. kid who is now the all-star catcher for the New York Yankees.

“He stole everything. He stole other kid’s lunches. He was a little pudgy kid. I could tell he was a go-getter. It was at Johnny Elias’s baseball camp in Côte St Luc. Russell Martin – that aggressiveness, it’s a great thing.

lol

by Sports Fan! on Aug 2, 2011 2:00 PM EDT reply actions  

So he was a bully? lol

So now the guys in the subway are saying Jesus is coming on October 21, 2011, but that would mean he wouldn't be on the playoff roster, let alone be eligible for it. I really don't know where these guys are getting their information from...

by Wraithpk on Aug 2, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

No.

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by MattF15 on Aug 2, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you kidding?

Or do you not realize that September 1st is only a few weeks away?

All Cashman said was Montero could be called in the very near future. Classic Cashman. The very near future is September. If the Yankees were in any sort of rush, they would have promoted Montero last month. But they aren’t. So why would they suddenly change course now, a few weeks before rosters expand?? The big question of who would be sent down to the minors… well, the answer is probably nobody. Why send down a guy now when you can just wait a couple weeks for a 21 yr old kid? These next 3 weeks aren’t going to make or break Montero’s career, dude.

Cashman played coy and EVERYONE bit.

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by Chris Child's Fist on Aug 4, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

if they wait until September 1st, he wouldn't be eligible for the playoff roster

So now the guys in the subway are saying Jesus is coming on October 21, 2011, but that would mean he wouldn't be on the playoff roster, let alone be eligible for it. I really don't know where these guys are getting their information from...

by Wraithpk on Aug 3, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

x

So now the guys in the subway are saying Jesus is coming on October 21, 2011, but that would mean he wouldn't be on the playoff roster, let alone be eligible for it. I really don't know where these guys are getting their information from...

by Wraithpk on Aug 3, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

get him in the majors first

and then focus on that.

If he comes, I’d hit him in one of the 6-8 spots.

CALL UP JESUS MONTERO!

by nyyrocks29 on Aug 6, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

eventually u would think he hits number 5 in the order do u agree

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by Rorschach44 on Aug 6, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

14th

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by MattF15 on Aug 8, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

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