Thank You, Brian Cashman
by Frank Campagnola on Aug 1, 2011 1:00 PM EDT
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PrintYesterday, one minute before the trade deadline was upon us, YES Network focused in on the clock at Yankee Stadium. The announcers were quiet until 4:00 p.m. struck, as the Yankees had not announced a single move. Michael Kay cautioned that deals could still be announced after the deadline, but there was no talk of the Yankees striking a last second deal.
And they didn't. Brian Cashman stuck with his current roster, and I cannot be happier about that decision. The sports talk radio shows and ESPN will complain about how the Yankees did not make a move, as will all the fans who wanted a big name to come to the Bronx. They will be called the losers of the 2011 trade deadline.
Cashman will receive negative press for not making a move, but why would he want to, especially given that the trade market was weak and the asking prices from the Yankees were absurdly high? That spells disaster, folks.
Let's take a look at the reasons why Cashman made the right decision by standing pat.
It's About The Money already took a look at the Yankees' top four starters and showed that they match up favorably, when healty, to the other American League contenders. The Yankees' top three starters all have FIPs below 4.00, which would make A.J. Burnett the Yankees' fourth starter in the playoffs.
With the bullpen, the Yankees have Mariano Rivera, David Robertson and Rafael Soriano as the headlines. Could they have made a move to bolster middle relief? Sure. But why would a team waste talented prospects on a reliever that will not pitch important or high leverage innings with three quality arms in front of him?
Come playoff time, we could also see Phil Hughes and Ivan Nova in the pen, assuming CC Sabathia, Bartolo Colon, Freddy Garcia, and A.J. Burnett make up the playoff rotation. Hughes and Nova undoubtedly make the bullpen deeper and stronger.
In terms of offense, the Yankees have scored the second most runs in the AL, have the most home runs, are second in OBP, and third in SLG. If they felt they needed a bat, they could call on Jesus Montero and not trade away prospects. Additionally, Alex Rodriguez will return soon. With options in house and an already elite offense, why waste talent on a rental or unnecessary move?
The Yankees went to the ALCS last year with, essentially, the same core group of players. They were two games away from the World Series. The playoffs are a crap shoot, and a bounce or a break here and there could have sent them to the Fall Classic last season.
Right now, the Yankees are 64-42, just two games back of the division leading Red Sox, and are currently on pace to win 98 games. When you stop and think, it's kind of hard to improve a team that's on pace to win almost 100 games. And when you really stop and think, teams that win 98 games are usually really good, and have a really good chance of advancing deep into October.
So thank you, Brian Cashman, for holding on to Ivan Nova, Jesus Montero, Manny Banuelos, Dellin Betances, Gary Sanchez, Austin Romine, and the other talented kids on the farm. You knew the 2011 Yankees have just as good a shot as anyone, and the future of the Yankees continues to look bright.
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Thank you Brian Cashman
I wouldn’t have minded a minor move to try and upgrade a small role, but I have no problem with doing nothing. This rotation is fine, and I’m prepared to go into October with this team. They can do it.
I’d have A.J. before Garcia in the playoff rotation, but otherwise yes, those are my four guys. AJ has been having a very solid season, and I like his terrific stuff over Garcia’s smoke and mirrors against the talented offenses the Yankees will see in the postseason.
Can’t wait till A-Rod gets back.
CALL UP JESUS MONTERO!
i think you are in the minority on that opinion
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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 1, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't really care if I am one way or another
I don’t think I’m in the minority, but I suppose if thats what you want to believe, go ahead.
I trust A.J. Burnett more than I trust Freddy Garcia. If I had to pick one of them to start a must win playoff game, I choose Burnett.
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I'm with you
but it’d be more accurate to say I don’t have a problem with any of CC, AJ, Colon, or Garcia. I’m uncertain of Hughes’ ability to be effective for the rest of the season. Nova has been far more dependable and trustworthy than I ever expected.
I trust all of them really
They’ve all had great years (Nova included). I’d take this rotation up against anybody’s. It may not be the best in the league, but with the Yankees bats I like their chances.
CALL UP JESUS MONTERO!
I'd go CC, AJ, Garcia, Colon/Nova right now
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Why Colon 4th?
He’s been excellent and at times dominant so I’d have thought he’s the number two.
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I agree
I’d go CC, Colon, then I’d worry about 3/4 – and I’m not sure No. 3 wouldn’t be Freddy, then maybe Nova, then AJ, with Hughes being the odd man all the way out.
by long time listener on Aug 1, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it matters
Actually I’d rather him start the 4th cuz it could mean a clincher.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
thats actually something to think about
especially in the ALDS, where nobody but CC is getting multiple starts anyways.
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CC should start the 4th game.
Bart or The Chief should start the 5th game, if needed.
You never know what your history is going to be like until long after you're gone.
I think the only rule in the playoffs is this
Use your best players as early as possible, as often as possible. You wait around for Game 4, maybe Game 4 never comes (in the first round), or you’re already down (in the later two rounds). If Colon is really your second-best pitcher, use him in Game 2, unless there’s some matchup that you really want to exploit, and in that, use Colon no later than Game 3 (so he can hopefully get a second start).
by long time listener on Aug 1, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
This.
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 1, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
that's the thing
Garcia might be dodging bullets every game, but after a while you gotta see it as the dude is dodging them for a reason. Garcia is the 2nd best pitcher right now. Colon, at least recently has been a bit more inconsistent.
AJ I start game 2 cuz I trust him to have a better game.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
if you think AJ or Garcia are better options, then starting them in Game 2 makes sense
I just can’t bring myself to really trust those guys (especially AJ). Maybe Colon’s better a little shaky lately, but I think he’s been better than those guys.
by long time listener on Aug 1, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that when AJ's on, he can be one of the best pitchers in baseball
The problem is, he’s not on very often…
Hey-Zeus
is coming and Man-ban is moving up the chain. The future is intact and it is hard to be a loser when you can claim that.
here's the key passage from the Trenton Times
And it’s all good news:
“According to sources close to organization, Trenton catcher Austin Romine, then Dellin Betances, will be next to board the SWB shuttle, with top overall prospect Jesus Montero expected to join the Yankees’ lineup in the very near future.”
by long time listener on Aug 1, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if the holdup is the Boston series
Maybe they don’t want his first week involving a 3-game series in Boston, probably with first place on the line, and two nationally televised games. I’d like to think he can handle some pressure, but it wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world if they decided to let a 21-year-old, much-hyped prospect get his first major league action at home against the Angels.
by long time listener on Aug 1, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
or maybe they're waiting for that series specifically
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
and he hits a bomb off Papelbum over that stupid wall
Which would make my man crush on him at least double.
CALL UP JESUS MONTERO!
I guess that's possible
I don’t see a great need to keep him away from that series, but I also don’t see why that should be his first series. I’d rather they start him out against the White Sox so he gets his feet wet before the Boston series (and also because it gives us a better chance to win those games).
by long time listener on Aug 1, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to see him in Chicago
Especially since I have tickets for tomorrow night’s game!
by waw on Aug 1, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
call him up by the end of the week
Then have him hit a game winning home run against Papelbon this weekend.
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I think Jesus Montero joins the Yankees for the Angels series on August 9.
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Why that series?
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That’s when they return from this road trip
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The farm
has been steadily improving. Im so glad we didnt tear it apart before it was ready to bear fruit.
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
What's funny yet sad
is that I feel like if the Yankees given Colorado some trade package for Ubaldo like Betances, Nova, and Montero (minimum), trash writers like Passan would still call the Yankees losers for having the Rockies fleece their top prospects just for a No.2 with an injury risk.
Unless you're a pitcher or Gustavo Molina, kindly SWING THE BAT and ignore the Binder's bunt signal.
The negative aspect of trades or non-trades will always be under the spotlight in New York. That’s just the way it is.
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 1, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I appreciate you not giving up the prospects, Cashman, but,
I might kill you for this.
eboland11 Erik Boland
Cashman on Montero rumors: “anybody could get promoted in the very near future.” And “He’s not getting promoted today, I can tell you that.”
so much for Montero Monday
Jesusday?
by long time listener on Aug 1, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Both
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by Nick Petrilli on Aug 1, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Take that with a grain of salt. I’ll be SHOCKED if he’s not up this month. But I expect it to be next week.
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by Chris McKeown on Aug 1, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Well if he’s not calling him up today, of course he’s not going to explicitly state when Montero will be called up. If something changes between now and then that would block this, Cash wouldn’t want to wrongly raise hopes.
Unless you're a pitcher or Gustavo Molina, kindly SWING THE BAT and ignore the Binder's bunt signal.
Of course he'll say that
He’s not going to say, “yea, I’m calling him up very soon”. He can’t say that he’s calling him up until it actually happens.
With all these reports and the deadline passed, I’ll be stunned if he isn’t up within the next couple of weeks. I agree with Yankees2. I think he’ll get promoted on Sunday after the game, and he’ll be in the lineup Monday at home against the Angels.
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I would be stunned if they cut Posada to bring up Montero
Not saying I wouldn’t agree with it because I would.
But backlash would be too much cutting him in-season. Posada would probably end up in some DH platoon since he’s been much better from the left side than the right this year.
Unless you're a pitcher or Gustavo Molina, kindly SWING THE BAT and ignore the Binder's bunt signal.
As sad as it would be, cutting Posada would be the wiser baseball move. You free up the DH full-time for Jesus, and keep Cervelli for backup. Remember, if Jesus is DH and Martin gets injured, you can’t move Jesus to C without losing the DH for the rest of the game, so it makes sense to keep Cervelli around.
So now the guys in the subway are saying Jesus is coming on October 21, 2011, but that would mean he wouldn't be on the playoff roster, let alone be eligible for it. I really don't know where these guys are getting their information from...
I disagree it would be the wiser move
Posada has a .700 OPS, 88 OPS+; with a .268 BABIP, lower than his career .313 BABIP. He should have some bounce back in him. Even so, Montero’s MLE’s project him to only have a .654 OPS. So you would probably get worse production, start his service time early, and create a negative clubhouse vibe towards a player who should be a key part of your future. Rather, they should wait until September, call him up when it doesn’t start his service time, platoon him with Posada and give Martin some days off (to see if he can handle catching at the big league level). Posada will be a free agent, hopefully retire, and Montero is free to take over at catcher/DH next year.
by cookiedabookie on Aug 1, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe his service time would start at the same time regardless if it was August or September. The deadline I think you’re thinking of was June 1st. I think you’re playing psychiatrist a bit too much with estimating clubhouse influence. And I doubt that Montero’s projections would really be that poor.
Unless you're a pitcher or Gustavo Molina, kindly SWING THE BAT and ignore the Binder's bunt signal.
September call-ups don't count towards service time
June 1st is a hypothetical date for super-two status. And perhaps his actually production wouldn’t be as bad as his projections, but it would not surprise me to see him struggle in the majors this year and put up worse numbers than Posada. His numbers have gone down in his second go around in AAA, not a good sign for transitioning into the majors. I agree that Montero is an important piece of the future, but we do not need him right now. Bring him up in September, and for good next spring.
by cookiedabookie on Aug 1, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Russell Martin hasn't hit since April, so I disagree that we do not need him right now.
Also, Montero’s numbers are better than they were at this time a year ago right now. He started off slow both years and then heated up as he’s doing right now.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Aug 1, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Very well written. Bravo.
I think the best point made was that this was a weak trade market. There was really nobody worth going after when King Felix was deemed untouchable. I’d rather see the Yanks hold onto their young potential than make a move for a player that may not put them over the top. Unless the acquisition made the Yanks the favorite, it wouldn’t be worth it.
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by RustyShackleford on Aug 1, 2011 3:12 PM EDT reply actions
It certainly was a better seller's market
if you’re a smart GM. Look at what the Mets got for Beltran for example. I’d have liked to see an improvement, but not at the cost that teams like the Rockies and Astros wanted. That said, I’m a bit irked that someone like Fister got traded for something that I think could have been easily matched. Seattle got, from what I’m reading in the scouting reports as an ok-decent corner outfielder in AA, a semi-adequate arm and a maybe adequate arm for a guy who looks to be a solid #2 starter that is under team control until 2016 (not even arb eligible til after next year).
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Aside from his W-L record, I've always been quite impressed with Fister.
He’s got good stuff. He throws strikes. There wasn’t a lot not to like besides the team he was on.
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by RustyShackleford on Aug 1, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
yea and he got traded for some not very impressive pieces
that trade sticks in my craw more than anything other negative this trading season.
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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 1, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yankee fans need to just relax, we are in a great position. We have the second best offense in baseball, despite being without our cleanup hitter for the past month, and despite getting below average performance from our catcher and DH, which will hopefully be fixed soon. OUR PITCHING IS FINE. CC will go toe-to-toe against anyone in the league, and the only #2 who I think can beat Colon on average would be one in LA (who don’t even have a playoff spot right now anyway), and one in Boston. However, I like our chances against Boston’s 3 and 4 spots.
The Red Sox, even after making the deal for Bedard, are much more shaky in pitching. Word is that Buttholes might be done for the year. The average of tERA, xFIP, and SIERA (since those 3 are all good stats) for their 4 man rotation of Beckett, Lester, Bedard, and Lackey is 3.785. Ours for CC, Colon, AJ, and Garcia is 3.76. So the addition of Bedard only pulls them even with us, and that’s only if Bedard performs as well in this division as he did in the AL West.
Only team that worries me is Texas, they are stacked…
So now the guys in the subway are saying Jesus is coming on October 21, 2011, but that would mean he wouldn't be on the playoff roster, let alone be eligible for it. I really don't know where these guys are getting their information from...
by Wraithpk on Aug 1, 2011 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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Though the dropoff for the Red Sox between their top three guys and their fourth is pretty large. Lackey is complete trash, and I think that brings the Red Sox down a little bit. That top two of theirs is just nasty, but like you I like the chances with Burnett and Bedard and then Lackey and Freddy.
Texas is stacked. You are right, those are some guys to worry about. Just more motivation to win the division, because otherwise the Yankees get them in round one. The Tigers worry me a little bit too in a short series because of Verlander, but then again, CC can match up with anybody.
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Texas is the clear deadline winner
Ideally, we’d get the division and the top record and dispatch whatever sadsack the Central throws our way (though the Tigers could be dangerous, if Verlander has two lights-out outings). If we have home field advantage and a fairly well-rested rotation against either Boston or Texas, I guess I’ll take my chances.
by long time listener on Aug 1, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
For now they are a clear winner, but they gave up a lot. A LOT.
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The Rangers did? No no.
While admittedly it hurt for a few minutes to give up Erlin and Wieland, then I remembered how stacked the Rangers farm system is on arms. And plus, we didn’t give up any of the top 3 (Perez, Profar, Martin, etc.)
Apologies to anyone that already posted this...
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by Steve Estep on May 23, 2011 9:46 PM PDT
by AfterSchoolSpecial on Aug 1, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
He may not be a prospect, but I think that Tommy Hunter has some potential. I’m not really counting Davis as a loss. Two prospects of the caliber of Erlin and Wieland for a reliever is a big price. Probably worth it.
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Unfortunately
Hunter really didn’t have a chance to get back into the rotation with the play of Holland, Harrison, and Ogando. And even though it’s SSS, it’s widely accepted that he’s garbage in the bullpen.
The only problem with Erlin and Wieland is that their pitching would not live to see the day at TBiA. Think Colby Lewis without the slider. Extreme fly ball pitchers.
Apologies to anyone that already posted this...
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by Steve Estep on May 23, 2011 9:46 PM PDT
by AfterSchoolSpecial on Aug 2, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Cashman
I agree. The addition of ARod makes the team better, and the deletion of an ineffectie Hughes makes the pitching better also. No need to trade, panic, or push young pitchers too fast. Right now we are 1 game behind Boston, and have done so with maybe ARod’s worst season ever. If he returns to form that could mean a run a game difference, and allowing someone other than Hughes to pitch takes away that automatoc loss every 5th game he was giving us. I like what Cashman has done, and all those teams that tried to rob us will certainly understand the Yankees will no longer be a sucker for the rent a player trade anymore. I just wish we had kept Lance Brekman. He would have hit 45 HRs as a Yankee had he stuck around.
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