New York Yankees News: Good and Bad Logic

by Lord Duggan on Jul 5, 2011 6:01 AM EDT in New York Yankees News

Mood Music - Burning Down the House by Talking Heads

As you might have expected, the New York Yankees news circulating the inter-webs today is dominated by the return of our fallen captain, Derek Jeter. Some of them, are less than complimentary. While I've certainly been critical of Jeter's play, it's important to keep things in perspective:

Good Logic: Derek Jeter is not the player he once was. Derek Jeter is not the best shortstop in the American League. The All Star Game is dumb.
Bad Logic: The Yankees winning a bunch of games while Jeter was on the DL is relevant. The Yankees were better off while Jeter was on the DL.

For the same reason that counting rings does not make Eric Hinske better than Ted Williams, the Yankees having a good two weeks in Jeter's absence is indicative of exactly nothing. While Eduardo Nunez played well in Jeter's stead, and I hope that he has earned himself some more playing time in the months to come, he was certainly not single-handedly carrying the team to victory on a nightly basis.

For the remaining years of his time in New York, Jeter's decline is likely to be a thorn in the side of the Yankees organization, but him going on the DL is not a magic victory elixir. It would be mighty nice if he'd stop hitting so poorly, though.

Also, here's some analysis from Professor Scape on A.J. Burnett and his 7th inning meltdown.

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Good logic: The Yankees did fine without Jeter in the lineup

There have been and are a lot of very good players on the Yankees and the Yankees it seems do just fine without any one of them in the lineup on any given day or in any season.

It is troubling that Jeter gets so much credit for the team’s success. He is not carrying this team (neither has anyone else) and its a bit disturbing to hear people imply otherwise. He won those 5 rings with the contributions of a lot of other people.

by NYYankeeDude on Jul 5, 2011 7:14 AM EDT reply actions

Derek-Fucking-Jeter Clause

by jetanumba2 on Jul 5, 2011 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions

While, for the most part, a single player’s absence won’t necessarily kill a team… I do believe that New York minus Alex Rodriguez is a different team. While it may not be the same fashion as it’s been forever, Rodriguez is still a very productive player and a scary guy to have to face multiple times in a game.

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by Chris McKeown on Jul 5, 2011 7:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Caption*

“Hey, I’M not moving me down in the lineup. But yeah someone should.”

*the author did not request a caption

We don't play for the wild card around here kid

by Jaybat on Jul 5, 2011 9:50 AM EDT reply actions

I was on vaction last week on Cape Cod. (That's why I didn't post- no internet on vacation).

The Yankees won every game while I was away. Please send me money so i can go back to Cape Cod and we can stay in first place. $3,000 should cover it.

I know you all want to do the right thing.

by designatedquitter on Jul 5, 2011 10:08 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs

Well mid way thru the season

Gardner and Arod rank 1st and 3rd respectively in UZR…not bad eh?

by lololol on Jul 5, 2011 10:09 AM EDT reply actions

I think we need more Andruw Jones

by jetanumba2 on Jul 5, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions

Who doesn’t?

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by Chris McKeown on Jul 5, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions

Brett Gardner

by jetanumba2 on Jul 5, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions

Valid

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by Chris McKeown on Jul 5, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions

UZR needs 3 seasons of data to normalize.
A third of a season is like saying “Russell Martin had a great batting average in April.”

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by jscape2000 on Jul 5, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions

off course..but so far Arod has been playing some good defense

by lololol on Jul 5, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions

Can't imagine why people think Derek Jeter has a huge ego...

http://www.mediabistro.com/sportsnewser/hbo-to-televise-derek-jeter-3k-special-following-yankees-quest-for-3000-hits_b11416

"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"

by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 5, 2011 12:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

wow this is so needed

it’s like reality baseball…

by jetanumba2 on Jul 5, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions

I am sure Jeter came up with that concept

But seriously, I bet Yankees PR advised him to do it. Good pub. Yankees hardly waste an opportunity for good pub.

by Branta on Jul 5, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Nice job on this post Duggan

Ive never been a big Jeter guy, but the borderline hate I see from some is starting to turn him into a sympathetic figure in my eyes. The reason he is so beloved by so many is the fact he is pretty much squeaky clean.

Many seem to place some blame on DJ for his spot in the order, but until a report(or Cashman press conf) comes out that Jeter denied Girardi’s request to move down in the order, Girardi should get 100% of the blame. The same Girardi that feels Gardner should sit against lefties in favor of Andruw Jones.

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by YankeesJets on Jul 6, 2011 1:39 AM EDT reply actions

Girardi doesn't have to 'request' that Derek Jeter bat anywhere in the lineup. All he has to do is tell him, and fill out the lineup card accordingly.

After Jeter gets his 3,000th hit, he really doesn’t have any leverage to stay at leadoff if he continues to hit .250- something and OBP .320.

Even if Gardner went 0 for July, his fielding in the Met series deprived the Mets of at least 5 or 6 hits, some of which would have been for extra bases. Jones’ days of doing that are long over.

by designatedquitter on Jul 6, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions

I never said Girardi has to request DJ bat lower in the order

Jeter batting leadoff isnt about leverage, its about Girardi not being able to nut up and move him down in the order. And what I wrote about Gardner was a knock on Girardi, not Gardner.

by YankeesJets on Jul 6, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions