How Much is Too Much?
by Brandon C. on Jul 28, 2011 11:50 AM EDT
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PrintThe San Francisco Giants struck a deal with the New York Mets yesterday, acquiring Carlos Beltran for top pitching prospect Zack Wheeler. Teams fought over Beltran for most of July, and the Giants finally said enough, and paid top price for the switch hitting slugger.
This move certainly helps the Giants in their quest for a repeat, but it can't be worth giving up Zack Wheeler. If the Giants do not win the World Series, they will have given up one of the best pitching prospects in baseball for a half year of Carlos Beltran. Looking back, I'm sure Giants fans will want to scream.
Think back to last season, and the Yankees attempt to acquire Cliff Lee. This is the other scenario for a rental player, as my guess is that Lee would have enjoyed NY, and the Yankees would have signed him to an extension after the season. Still, that's just a guess.
That guess being made, the Yankees still offered one of the top catching prospects in baseball, a top infield prospect, and possibly more, but were spurned once the infield prospect, David Adams, was found to not be healthy. What if the Yankees made the trade, and Lee didn't re-sign after the season? Fans would be livid, not only with the original trade, but with the fact that the Yankees wouldn't have Lee, Montero, or Adams, or even more.
Add to that if the Yankees didn't win the World Series with Lee. Not winning the World Series negates any meaning to make the trade in the first place. This leaves me at my current question: How much is too much for a Trade Deadline deal?
I believe the Giants made a horrible deal yesterday. I also believe that the Cardinals did the same, as they acquired Edwin Jackson and some spare parts for Colby Rasmus and some spare parts. Even if Jackson re-signs, they could have gotten a lot more. (The Cardinals rejected a trade for Jeff Niemann and J.P. Howell for Rasmus from the Rays)
There aren't too many rentals left out there right now, but Hiroki Kuroda is one of the few. The Yankees have shown tons of interest in Kuroda, the righty starter for the Dodgers.
Simply put, I would be happy if the Yankees acquire Kuroda, but for no more than some mid-tier prospects. Kuroda has made it known that he doesn't want to leave L.A. now, nor does he plan on signing anywhere else once the season ends. Trading for Kuroda would be a pure rental.
The Yankees could make the same mistake the Giants made, and trade whoever the Dodgers want for Kuroda, or they can be realistic. The Yankees rotation is fine, but not great right now, and there is no reason to trade away a piece that can help the team for the next five-ten years for a pitcher that can help for the rest of this year.
To wrap up, when it comes to summer trading, there are three things that stick out to me.
1. Don't trade the future for someone that can help now, as if you don't win the World Series it becomes absolutely pointless.
2. If you're picking up a player that is not just a rental, make sure the player is worth more than the prospects you are trading. Sometimes seeing that the player will help now masks the reality that in the future the trade will only hurt you. (Hello, Ubaldo Jimenez trade)
3. Sometimes the best trades are the trades you don't make.
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The Giants are idiots
And as for this team, I trust Brian Cashman. He’s a smart guy and a smart baseball mind. He’s made questionable decisions like every GM but for the most part he knows what he’s doing. I trust him not to make trades he doesn’t need to make, and he sure as hell wouldn’t trade Montero or any of the killer B’s for Kuroda or Bedard or any starters like that.
The Yankees don’t need a starter. They really don’t. They have a capable rotation right now and at most, only minor trades need to be made at this deadline. I would be fine with a minor deal for a reliever or a bench player. Or doing nothing. But trading above average prospects to try and fill a need that doesn’t exist doesn’t make sense. If they want a starter, there is an Ivan Nova that has done pretty well this season. And guess what? All that takes is a call to Scranton. Other than that, it’s free.
CALL UP JESUS MONTERO!
Like Brandon just said
He almost gave up Montero & others for a rental of Lee. The Mariners GM is the only reason he didn’t.
I don’t trust him at ALL.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 28, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Couple things
Lee is a FAR better pitcher than both Kuroda and Bedard and anybody else on the market right now. And also, I think Cash expected to sign Lee to a long extension and keep him around for a while longer.
Kuroda is not nearly as good as Lee and would strictly be a two month rental. And he’s 36. There’s a pretty big difference between the two cases.
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That's not the point
It was still a huge risk to take for a rental, and there was no guarantee he’d sign next year.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 28, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
If they had successfully traded for him
I’d have been surprised if he wasn’t a Yankee right now. And the Yankees usually get the guy they really want to get. Yes there’s no guarantee, but there would have been a good shot.
Thats different with Kuroda where there is absolutely no chance he resigns and even if he does, he’s going to be 37 and only in the league for a couple more years anyway. And he’s not nearly as good as Lee. You really don’t trust Cashman to not trade Montero or the Killer B’s (who he refused to trade for Ubaldo) for a 36 year old 2 month rental (for sure) who isn’t nearly as good as the guy he tried to get last year? Thats a pretty low opinion of Cashman then.
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And imagine if we did rent him, lost, and then he resigned with the Phillies
The fallout from that would’ve been worse than us not breaking open the money bin for him, especially if we had lost Jesus in the process. Also, I don’t think he’ll trade Jesus or an important prospect for Kuroda, but I still don’t trust him.
LoL, as for my low opinion on Cashman….ahem…
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 28, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Well if you ask many people who they'd trade montero straight up for
one of those guys would be Lee. (we actually did the poll a while back and Lee’s name popped up a lot) That trade was essentially Montero for Lee which would could have ended in two ways. Lee leaves = horrible trade if we don’t win anything or Lee stays and signs the contract he did with the phillies but with us which makes the trade well worth it.
The prevailing thought against the at the time were essentially, our rotation is fine (AJ didn’t suck, Javy was streaking and Andy was healthy) why do we need to pay for lee? Also many expected him to sign on the offseason so paying twice was dumb. In hindsight, had we done the deal and gone to the WS and won it, i don’t think Lee leaves. Also we had depth in the catcher spot in the minors. Even if we lost it, Lee probably would have been quicker to sign with us since Texas would not have offered up, and it would have given phillies time to come up with the money and etc. I hated the trade at the time, but looking back it and considering all the pitching problems we had last year, the trade would have been worth it if Lee stayed and we went to the WS. (which would have been very likely)
Except there's no guarantee that he signs the contract with us
Or even if he did that we wouldn’t overpay him, since our track record clearly shows that we would’ve given him the extreme contract Cashman tried to sign him for this offseason. Either way, IMO, the deal sucks cause we would’ve lost Jesus for a rental before he goes with the Phillies and possibly won or lost Jesus, possibly won, and then signed him for 7 years and however much Cash offered for him.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 28, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Well i’m just saying if Lee came here, our chances of signing him in the offseason would have been much higher. obviously nothing is guaranteed, but the bidding war for Lee which opened up a chance for the phillies most likely would not have happened. the Yankees would have been more of a clear front runner. The reason Lee went to phillies was a mix of familiarity, money and chance to win because he was with the team before. Had he been with us, he’d probably feel better about coming here. Also the contract Cashman offered lee the past offseason was extreme in the years (6 years with a 7th option) but the the per year pay was the lowest of the 3 offers. But like i said most of which i’m just speculating and looking in hindsight.
I don't think it was a horrible trade for the Giants
Your top-ranked pitching prospect is a high price to pay for a player with an expiring contract, but the Giants desperately needed help in the middle of their order, and Beltran happened to be the best bat available, which drove the price up.
I think prospects sometimes get overvalued, especially a guy like Wheeler who’s still in A-ball. Yes, he’s oozing with talent, but the Mets still have a lot of work to do before he becomes a major league contributor, if he ever does. He’s not a Brandon Belt or a Domonic Brown, who the Mets can add to their major league roster tomorrow. It’s kind of like how a house that needs to be renovated will sell for less money than a house of the same size on the same block which can be moved in to right away.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jul 28, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it was a steal for the Mets
But I think the Giants made a risky move and one they probably needed to make in order to make the playoffs.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 28, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Beltran is worth a top prospect
Even if he’s a long way away. Beltran is injury prone, doesn’t play center field anymore and is strictly a two month rental. And he’s not the All-Star center fielder he used to be. I think this was definitely a steal for the Mets.
But they’re going for it. They think their window is closing soon and they’re going for rings right now. We’ll see if it works out for them.
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He's definitely not worth a top prospect...
…for us or the Red Sox or the Rangers or the Phillies. But the Giants have a gaping hole in the middle of their order and Beltran was the only option available to them besides Hunter Pence who isn’t as good from a pure offensive standpoint and who would have cost even more due to his age and contract status.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jul 28, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Assuming he's a rental
I wouldn’t have given up Wheeler for two month’s of Beltran. But maybe the Giants are planning on being serious bidders for Beltran long-term, and think having him with them now gives them the incumbent edge in the off-season.
Translating that trade to the Yanks, I would not like to see them part with any blue-chip prospects for a rental.
Now, if the Astros are looking to shed salary before their sale, and will offer Wandy Rodriguez for middle-tier prospects (think Adams, Laird, Warren) then I would jump on that. We’d have Wandy locked up until 2013 with a 2014 option; he’s a LHP to complement CC, and would not have the burden of being an ace on his shoulders.
by Ghost_of_Brien_Taylor on Jul 28, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The Astros are going to want way more for Wandy, forget it.
Unless you're a pitcher or Gustavo Molina, kindly SWING THE BAT and ignore the Binder's bunt signal.
I would not give up Warren for Wandy
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 28, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
We really tend to over value some of our prospects in this forum.
by Jon8010 on Jul 28, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's more that I don't think Wandy will do well in the AL East
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 28, 2011 5:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wandy Rodriguez isn't that good
maybe that’s why.
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Why do you think Wandy isn’t that good? is it just you don’t think his success would translate to the AL East? Are his numbers over the last four years not telling the story? Not worth getting at any price? Not an upgrade at all over Nova, Colon, Garcia, Noesi, Burnett, Hughes? Just curious
by Ghost_of_Brien_Taylor on Jul 29, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Rentals suck.
Scary thing you could possibly lose both the player and the prospect.
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You don't go all in when you don't need to
and the way I see it, the only time you go all in (aside from when you’re on the job) is when a bunch of your good players are going to be out of your price range in the offseason. That year is your final shot anyway.
Winning the WS is THE goal. Winning multiple WS is a secondary goal, since even if you have the greatest, youngest and under contract for multiple years team ever assembled, there’s no guarantee you’re winning the WS twice in a row.
That said, you better be sure. You better be sure you’re getting back what you need. You better be sure what you’re giving up isn’t going to bite you in the ass in the next few years. And you better be sure that you’re as close to winning the WS as you think you are.
Zach Wheeler is a very good prospect. I’d say its a bit like the Yankees giving up Manny Banuelos (give or take) for Carlos Beltran, but we were without Curtis Granderson. Is this dumb? Probably. Did you have to overpay? Yes. But did you fill a need and are you close to being a WS contender? Yes.
Also, do you have other prospects on the farm that will make you not give a shit about the spect you just gave up? Probably not. BUT! They have Lincecum, Cain and Bumgarter (Bum guarder…). Three young ace caliber starters. And they found Vogelsong out of nowhere.
I’d say they took a risk, but not a bad one. They gave up Wheeler to make sure they got Beltran, but they really..really needed Beltran this year their lineup stinks. For a team like the Giants with the young pitching they already have, it doesn’t seem as big a deal as it would be for a team like the Yankees…who don’t, at least in the bigs.
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by Rorschach44 on Jul 28, 2011 12:16 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
and getting Lee last year was dumb by any stretch
their rotation was fine and they were giving up multiple prospects for a player they didn’t need at all.
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by Rorschach44 on Jul 28, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Actuallly
It turned out they did need Lee last year because the pitching other than CC crapped out in the playoffs, which is what will probably happen this year too.
No they didn’t. They needed their bats to show up against Texas.
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 28, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Andy sure crapped out.
Oh.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jul 28, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
the bats took a shit
would have with Lee here too.
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Yea, i agree with this
The Giants overpaid but it’s risk worth taking. Their rotation is already stacked and if they plan on signing their all their young starters long term Wheeler might not have enough room to make it. It’s a calculated risk for sure.
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These are pretty much exactly my sentiments on the deal and the abomination known as “Operation: FaiLeeure” from last year.
Unless you're a pitcher or Gustavo Molina, kindly SWING THE BAT and ignore the Binder's bunt signal.
I agree with most of this, but I’m a bit confused about one thing. You say this
and the way I see it, the only time you go all in (aside from when you’re on the job) is when a bunch of your good players are going to be out of your price range in the offseason. That year is your final shot anyway.
then this
I’d say they took a risk, but not a bad one. They gave up Wheeler to make sure they got Beltran, but they really..really needed Beltran this year their lineup stinks
So your opinion is that the Giants are the exception to the above rule you stated?
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the first quote he was talking about your star players becoming free agents
basically the Brewers. This could be their last year to compete with Fielder leaving, so they’re going all in
The Giants don't have a bunch of players who aren't going to be there next year
so its not the same thing. The Giants are in a different situation. Its rare to have as many top flight young pitchers as they do.
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by Rorschach44 on Jul 28, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
On the other hand, if you make that trade and the player ends up being the difference in winning a world series,
it’s almost certainly worth it. From the Red Sox side, look at the Lowell/Beckett for Hanley deal. Yes, they gave away a huge part of their future who would become one of the best players in the game (before this year at least), but almost no one criticizes them for making it.
You can’t just look at the unsuccessful side of it. There is an upside, and it’s significant. I can’t say I agree with the Beltran trade, but in general, sometimes mortgaging the future is good for teams. Especially non-Red Sox/Yankees teams, who actually have windows of contention.
Yep, I do agree with everyone saying the flip side is if you win WS trade was worth it. Tried focusing on the negative parts for this deal.
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Brandon, I disagree with your evaluating of Wheeler
You always dead from strength.
Zach Wheeler is 21 years old with a 1.38 WHIP and 4.8 BB/9 in A+. Yes, he matches that with 10K/9, but he is not in the same conversation with a pitcher like Jeremy Hellickson (now in the bigs). At the low levels, the top prospects regularly post sub 1 WHIPs and impressive K:BB ratios. Wheeler has not.
Lincecum’s 2 year deal is up, and he’ll head to arbitration.
Cain is signed to 2012, after which I believe he is a FA.
This is their window; who knows what their chances will look like in 3 years? They’ll either have to lose their aces or pay them market rates.
The Giants are going for a repeat, and that’s always the right move. In 10 years, Giants fans could look back on this the way we look back on the late 90s dynasty “golden age”- all nostalgia and good times.
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Ah, figured someone would bring this up. I did look at the stats, then I talked to a few minors guys that said he hasn’t lost his stuff. I personally think it’s still a huge risk to give him up, even if his stock fell a little.
The opposite side of what you’re saying is that the fans could look back, see that the Giants didn’t win this WS, see that Wheeler is a star with the Mets, and groan.
I’m all for win now, but that’s a high price to pay.
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used to say that if you have a legitimate shot at winning it all this year, you have to go for it. If you wait until next year, a lot of things can go wrong; your position players get hurt, your pitchers get sore arms, the prospects you have been so carefully saving don’t develop, etc.
In this case, the Giants need more firepower if they are going to have a chance at winning the World Series. Beltran can give it to them. Wheeler, no matter how highly he is rated, is still only a High-A pitcher who may or may not make it to the majors.
There is a beneficial side effect to a deal like this. A team is more attractive to free agents (including their own) if it is known that they will make the moves necessary to be winners.
I don’t think you have to win the World Series to justify the trade. The Giants would have to win three series agains good teams to do that, and a lot can go wrong that can’t be controlled. I think it’s enough that they put together a team that has a legitimate chance.
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Yankee fans watching their prospects struggle on the big stage should understand that every prospect has a chance of failure, and counting on them to be what the team needs in 3 years is not the same thing as adding that piece now.
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Look at 3 David Cone trades, each time he was a one year or a two or three month rental.
1992: Cone from Mets to Toronto for Jeff Kent and Ryan Thompson.
1995: Cone from KC to Toronto for David Sinnes, Tony Medrano and Chris Stynes.
1995 Cone from Toronto to NYY for Jason Jarvis, Mike Gordon and Marty Janzen.
Clearly the Mets got the best return, but Kent only became a stud 2 organizations later and Thompson was ok, but no great shakes. Stynes was a legitimate Major League player.
It would seem fair to say that nobody overpaid for Cone in a trade, although guys like Sinnes (A ball Closer) , Medrano (A ball SS, regarded as a fair fielder with good offensive potential) , Jarvis (A ball SP who was effective and fairly promising) and Gordon ( A ball, a strikeout pitcher in the low minors) were reasonably well regarded low minors players, but not in the class of Wheeler. None of these guys ever made the Majors but all were reasonably well regarded prospects.
So much can happen to a prospect between A ball and the big leagues. Hell, at AA Greg Golson looked like an all star in the making.
by Iggy Poptart on Jul 28, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Zach Wheeler is 21 years old with a 1.38 WHIP and 4.8 BB/9 in A+. Yes, he matches that with 10K/9, but he is not in the same conversation with a pitcher like Jeremy Hellickson (now in the bigs). At the low levels, the top prospects regularly post sub 1 WHIPs and impressive K:BB ratios. Wheeler has not.
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 28, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
in other news
The Indians acquired right fielder Kosuke Fukudome and about $3.9MM from the Cubs today for minor leaguer outfielder Abner Abreu and reliever Carlton Smith.
by jetanumba2 on Jul 28, 2011 12:59 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
a bit off topic, but topical
How about hughes to the bullpen and nova back in the rotation? The way I see it, we have 6 decent pitchers right now that should all be up in the majors. Hughes has never really been dominant as a starter, but has been brilliant as a reliever. I think we finally cut the starter cord for good with him and try to make him into rivera’s replacement. Not gonna happen because he’s one of Joe’s Boys, but I really think that is the best decision given the climate of now and trying to win a WS This Year
Nova should be back in the rotation, but Hughes should not be in the pen
If Hughes was in the pen he’d be nothing more than a mop, and with the way he looks not a very good one. If anything, Hughes might have to be sent back down to the minors to work on his mechanics more. He needs to learn/re-learn his control.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 28, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
No way
I’m completely against Hughes to the bullpen in any way. I don’t want him having the same treatment Joba got. Just because he’s struggling right now doesn’t make his career a failure and doesn’t mean the Yankees should give up on him as a starting pitcher. Starters are way more valuable than relievers and Hughes needs to be a starter like he’s supposed to be (and like Joba is supposed to be, but thats beside the point).
If he needs to work out his issues, let him go to AAA and let him work it out there. But let him do it as a starting pitcher. This guy is still 24 years old and I still think he has a bright future with the Yankees. But it needs to be as a starting pitcher.
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Yep, that approach worked great for Joba.
I think Hughes needs more time to fail as a starter before I banish him to the bullpen. And I need a replacement better than Ivan Nova.
Nova’s time with the Yankees this year was about the same length of time that Hughes was the Cy Young frontrunner. Got to give him a longer chance to get back to that.
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I would actually much rather demote Hughes to AAA than send him to the pen.
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Why?
Look at this way:
Hughes can overpower a few hitters, than he loses it. In the mean time, we’ve got Cory Wade and Hector Noesi in the pen. Would Hughes be an upgrade over one of them? I think so.
I don’t see too much hope that Hughes can be an effective starter this year. I say, move him to the pen, bring up Nova, and let them compete for a starting position next season.
Unless of course we trade Nova for Jimenez
You never know what your history is going to be like until long after you're gone.
We don’t need another young pitcher deal with the stupid pen vs. rotation thing. Hughes is not going to the pen.
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The pen is fine
Robertson and Mo are as good a 1-2 backend of a pen in baseball. And if Soriano stops being a mop, then that makes for a very good 1-2-3. I’d say Noesi makes it an even better 4th option, but Girardi has his head up his ass with Noesi.
We don’t need Hughes in the pen. You don’t move young starters to the pen unless you need them there (like Noesi….). No moving guys back and forth. Hughes is a starter, end of story.
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Makes no sense
There is absolutely no value to be extracted from Hughes going to the bullpen right now. The Yankees have a tight grasp on a playoff spot and, unless you’re overly converned with the division title, won’t play another meaningful game until October.
If Hughes doesn’t start to look better, he can go to AAA and start and Nova can return to the majors. If he doesn’t improve enough to the point where he’d start a playoff game, he can always go to the pen for the postseason without wasting the last 2 months of the season.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jul 28, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I think "how much" depends on the team
No one is ever guaranteed a World Series (or even a playoff appearance), but the Yankees can reasonably expect to be in serious contention for the next few years (at least). So it doesn’t make sense for them to give up a whole lot for a rental, or even for a guy nearing the end of his career. The Giants hadn’t won a World Series in a long time before last year (since they were in NY, right?), and they don’t really have the payroll flexibility. If you’re a team like the Giants, or the Pirates, or another team that’s only going to have a short window where they have a real shot, then I think it makes sense to give up a little more if it improves your chances.
by long time listener on Jul 28, 2011 1:35 PM EDT reply actions
just noticed that jscape made some of these same points above
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You forgot that Brett Gardner is, at best, a 5th outfielder.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jul 28, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would anyone want his jersey?
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Dammit. This is a glaring omission.
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The Yankees should trade for every superstar money can buy.
They are way more exciting than prospects. Prospects are lame.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jul 28, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
NYC stinks. Terrible city with terrible food.
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by Brandon C. on Jul 28, 2011 2:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was my favorite Indiana Jones movie.
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LoL, I'm surprised some of you could type those things without vomitting.
Also, well play Jscape!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 28, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
The last one was tough. Crystal Skull caused lots of pain.
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I can imagine!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 28, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to admit though: I hated Temple of Doom pretty viscerally as well.
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me too
That’s my least favorite Indiana Jones movie, even ahead of (behind?) Crystal Skull. Nazis or GTFO.
by long time listener on Jul 28, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
The Last Crusade is my favorite by far, even though I thought Raiders of the Lost Ark was very good too.
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Both are top notch movies
It’s hard to choose between them. The chemisty between Ford & Connery really makes the movie the best, IMO.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 28, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
"Good bye....Dr. Jones...." *laughing*
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 28, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I love Temple of Doom
But it was the worst out of the three mainly cause of Winnie & Short Round (I love Short Round but he’s definitely not for everyone).
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 28, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
It had a few enjoyable moments, but fell way short of the Raiders/Last Crusade standard for me.
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in the beginning is one of my all time favorite movie scenes.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 28, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The second Fantastic Four movie was fantastic as well.
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Haha, did you even watch it?
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 28, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope, I still have it on DVR, though! If I do end up watching it it will be the last of the group.
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Good luck
It’s awful
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 28, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
If this is serious that is incredibly funny.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 28, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Completely serious!
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by Brandon C. on Jul 28, 2011 2:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah I just figured that out. Can you ban someone for exact times or would he have to just send him an unban message after 30 mins?
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 28, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Just have to unban whenever you want.
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by Brandon C. on Jul 28, 2011 2:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lol
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by Chris McKeown on Jul 28, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm engaging in non-violent resistance
Give peace a chance, mods. That’s all we’re saying.
by long time listener on Jul 28, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Banning is peaceful!
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by Brandon C. on Jul 28, 2011 2:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm still willing to send you my list.
We can get the Pope on the phone whenever you’re ready to move to St. Skits.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jul 28, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Offended
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 28, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh.
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 28, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Trade value goes out the window in July. It doesn’t matter that Player A (Wheeler) is in all likelihood more valuable than Player B (Beltran). If player B is going to a contending team, that contending team is going to have to overpay to get him.
Teams know that the contenders need their pieces, so they will hold on to them and get as much as possible in return.
Two months of Carlos Beltran is worth no where near a top prospect, and in December of 2010, the Giants probably would have laughed off trading Wheeler for Beltran for 2011.
But now they have a real chance to repeat. The Giants needed a bat in the middle of their order, and they overpaid with a top pitching prospect. If it wasn’t the Giants, someone else would have done it too.
GMs go crazy and drool over the thought of back to back titles. And I can’t blame him. But he vastly overpaid for two, maybe three months of Beltran.
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by Frank Campagnola on Jul 28, 2011 2:05 PM EDT reply actions
Red Sox down 4-2 in the top of the 4th
Not that I trust the Royals to hold this lead, but I do enjoy watching Beckett get smacked around
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Also I enjoy that the troll has 0 hits
Unless you're a pitcher or Gustavo Molina, kindly SWING THE BAT and ignore the Binder's bunt signal.
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Last two minutes of Sportscenter:
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Emilio Bonafacio. Non existent.
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Unless you're a pitcher or Gustavo Molina, kindly SWING THE BAT and ignore the Binder's bunt signal.
Completely off topic
FOXSoccer
Bob Bradley has been relieved of his duties as U.S. Men’s national team head coach.
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Woah
Former #Yankee Hideki Irabu found dead near LA. Police investigating it as a possible suicide. Kyodo story (in Japanese) bit.ly/q3WssY
To clarify, the story is out of Kyodo’s LA bureau. Just RT’d it from our Japanese news wire.
This from @akitokyodo
R.I.P. Irabu
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Holy shit.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 28, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
is there too much?
So, my theory is that a prospect can fail, so proven players are preffered while young. I would say two or three prospects of projected caliber are fair. So for a top player, betances manban and montero may be a fair deal because nothing is assured. It is a safe approach that may burn you, but woth how the yanks feel about a prospect, sacrificing a few for one is a short term win
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by ZigKitsune on Jul 28, 2011 3:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
4-3 Royals now
….here we go…
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 28, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions
Royals win 4-3
Huzzah!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jul 28, 2011 4:27 PM EDT reply actions
Guess which team has a scout here [Trenton]: that’s right, it’s the #Mariners.
Aaaaaaaaand…..go
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 28, 2011 4:32 PM EDT reply actions
If the Yankees trade Betances for anyone on the Mariners other than Felix (which I know will NOT HAPPEN) I will explode.
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One would think it’s connected to Bedard, but if the scouts are there watching Betances….lol no
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 28, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
lol not happening
Yanks refused the Killer Bs for Ubaldo. They’re not giving them up for Bedard.
CALL UP JESUS MONTERO!
To be fair, you have said this a bunch of times and I feel the need to correct it. The Yankees would give one of the B’s or Montero, but not two or three of the three.
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Short memories
I gues being old sometimes helps you remember. You younger guys don’t remember how King George destroyed a great farm system by trading away prospects for older veterans. This was one of the major reasons we missed the playoffs and WS for the 80s and early 90s. We were missing names like Mcgriff, Buhner, Tewksbury, Asmuss. Not great players , but certainly better than what we got. There were planty of others.
It’s ok to trade away players on the verge, otherwise you sign guys and they are a complete bust. I would trust Cashman, because he has done a good job. Renting a guy Like Wandy could be the best deal out there for cheap.
All these B’s won’t turn out it’s the law of averages, but you can’t dumpthem either.
Kuroda
Unlike Beltran, the Yankees would be able to offer him arbitration, which means if he leaves, the Yankees would get a first and a sandwich pick (assuming Kuroda’s an “A”).
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