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Analyzing a Possible Prince Fielder Signing

Milwaukee Brewers fat first baseman Prince Fielder is a free agent after the 2011 season. While the Brewers surly will want Fielder back and Fielder may want to come back, just like with CC after 2008 the Brewers will not be able to afford to keep him. Fielder will be going for cash, and he can get that by testing the market and seeing who bites. There will be teams from each league interested as Fielder has reportedly said that he's willing to be a DH. With Posada likely gone after this season, Fielder to the Yankees certainly is a legitimate possibility. A big time home run hitting free agent entering free agency at a position the Yankees have an opening in?  CC Sabathia has reportedly been selling the Yankees to him and I'd be surprised if the Yankees weren't at least a little bit interested.

First off, let me say that Prince Fielder is a GREAT hitter. Ever since he entered the league in 2005 the man has been a power hitting machine. He's hit at least 25 HR in every season since 2006, 30+ in every year since 2007 and he's reached 40+ twice so far in his young career. He's still in his 20s and is well on his way to another 35-40 HR season. The man is entering his prime and there is no doubt in my mind that he would be a force in the Yankees lineup if he was signed. He'd make the lineup better and be feared. I have nothing against Fielder the player and he'd probably be a big star in New York.

Now let me also make this very clear. I do not want the Yankees to sign Prince Fielder! The Yankees have Alex Rodriguez signed until the end of time who will be a DH in a few years as it is. They have a number of older veterans and also a number of players signed to huge contracts. Also, the Yankees already have one of the best offenses in the league. So Fielder while he would certainly improve the offense would be an unnecessary signing, and especially considering it's going to cost 15-20 million a year to sign him. However, I'm bringing it up because although I think it wouldn't be that smart a move, with the Yankees it's definitely a possibility and a signing as big as him would have a big effect on numerous aspects on the team. I just wanted to look at some of the ways the Yankees would be affected by signing this fat man to a big time contract. 

 

1. Payroll

Prince Fielder will likely sign a contract of 15-20 million a year for multiple seasons. Since the Yankees tend to overpay for everybody they go after, I'm going with 20 million on this one. Now lets look at the current top contracts for the Yankee players that are guaranteed for next season.

Those are the players with double figured contracts guaranteed for next season. Now I'll look at the non-guaranteed players who all of which will likely be back next season.


Assuming all these players are Yankees next year (which is very likely), and also assuming that Sabathia opts out and makes 3-5 million more in his new Yankee contract, the Yankees have about 150-156 million dollars in payroll committed to ten players on the roster. Now imagine if they add a 20 million contract for a DH like Prince Fielder to that mix. That bumps it up to 170-176 million committed to 11 players. You'd be looking at a possible payroll north of 225 million for the 2012 Yankees if they choose to go this route. Remember, however big it may be the Yankees have a budget too. And while Fielder is a star hitter, giving him a huge contract could possibly limit the Yankees in doing other things to help their pitching or adding role players or both. And a 220 million dollar payroll is ridiculous. 

2. Lineup

This is where Prince would give the biggest boost to the Yankees, and this is where he could make it seem like the 20 million is worth it. Again, the man can freaking hit. If Fielder were the DH next year, you'd have a lineup I think similar to this.

  1. Derek Jeter- SS
  2. Curtis Granderson- CF
  3. Mark Teixeira- 1B
  4. Alex Rodriguez- 3B
  5. Prince Fielder- DH
  6. Robinson Cano- 2B
  7. Nick Swisher- RF
  8. Jesus Montero- C
  9. Brett Gardner- LF


Thats one hell of a lineup too. I think that Teixeira, A-Rod, Cano and Fielder could switch anywhere between the 3 and 6 holes in the lineup, but I think the way I have it is what Joe Girardi would go with. I'm going to be honest, I love the idea of having this lineup playing every single day. This team would lead the majors in runs scored, home runs, RBIs and should never have an issue scoring runs. They'd probably be the best lineup in the league anyway, but Prince would secure that for multiple years. If there's one big plus to bringing Prince Fielder in, it's this. Just look at that lineup and tell me, no matter what your opinion of bringing Fielder in is, that you don't like this lineup. You would be lying if you did. 

The problem isn't 2012 though. It's beyond that. Alex Rodriguez can't defy age forever, and eventually he's going to turn into full time DH making 20 million a year. He's not going to be able to play 3B, but signing Prince is going to force him to be the everyday third baseman into his 40s. This is going to lead to an increased risk in injuries for the Centaur, less productivity offensively from him as he ages and a lesser chance in breaking the home run record that I want him to break so bad. Not only that, but it's not a sure thing that Derek Jeter is retiring after his contract ends, and he is going to need DH time as well even in his current contract. That can't happen with a star hitter like Fielder as the everyday DH. So while 2012 may not be an issue, this is an issue for a few years down the road and I'd rather the Yankees use the DH to rest A-Rod and Jeter every now and then, and eventually transition Rodriguez into the full time DH as he gets into his 40s. They'll still have a great offense, but they can keep their aging players healthy and stronger for more years. And thats very important. 

Star-divide

Thats pretty much what you're getting with Prince. He's a great hitter who has a personality great for NY. I can tell you right now, he'd be a big star in NY. And the fat jokes we could make with him would be quite fun. But for all the moonshots he would hit as a Yankee, there are consequences to giving him a multi-year 20 million a year deal. for me, there are two major downfalls to bringing him in. He'd force aging players to continue to play the field every single day and possibly get hurt more often. He may hurt the Yankees in going after pitchers or other actual needs in the future because he and so many other Yankees take up so much payroll. 

 

The Yankees have the best offense in baseball and will have the best offense in baseball next season anyways, with or without Prince. Teixeira can still hit. Cano is only entering his prime. Jesus Montero will rise (or he'd better). And Alex Rodriguez's career isn't over yet. This team won't have an issue scoring runs. Next season, you may be looking at a few holes on the pitching staff or the bench, and I'd rather they split up the money to get different players for those roles rather than go all out for a star hitter. And use the young guys (by that I mean Montero). 

So while I love the idea of having Fielder in the Yankee lineup, it's an unnecessary use of 20 million dollars. The Yankees don't need to sign every freaking All-Star that comes on the market also. It takes the fun away from it a little bit. Let the Red Sox or anybody else break the bank for the guy. Yankees don't need him. 

Call Up Jesus Montero.

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We don't need Prince.

We need pitching. Not another 1st Baseman. We have a great hitting and defensivly player in Tex. Im happy with our DH as Posada, or Jones, or possible A-Rod when he can’t play 3rd everyday anymore. Also I think Prince would bat 4th instead of the old A-Rod. But this will never happen anways. Rec’d for the effort thought :).

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by BrettGardnerLF on Jul 26, 2011 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL

Posada or Jones? What are you smoking.

Plus Nunez would play 3rd is Alex is the DH, but really? Nunez > Fielder?

by Jeterian 2 on Jul 26, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe isn't in charge

Neither is Cashman. The Steinbrenner’s are, and I’m not so confident that they won’t look at how bad Posada and Jones have been and say that a DH is a major need.

I’d be surprised if there isn’t at least an interest. I don’t expect it to happen, but it’s a possibility with the Yankees so I wanted to see what effects it would have on the team. Thats why I posted it.

CALL UP JESUS MONTERO!

by nyyrocks29 on Jul 27, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well-written, and maybe I missed this, but why now?

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by Brandon C. on Jul 26, 2011 10:54 PM EDT reply actions  

my friends have brought it up to me

Just wanted to see what people thought. I don’t think I could have made it more clear that I don’t want him (did I need to caps log the bold too?), but of course I still get the 5 DAYS.

I’m NOT suggesting they get him, people.

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by nyyrocks29 on Jul 27, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

We need him

to assemble the fattest team EVA. CC, Colon, and Prince will make a great fatastic core

by bloppy_ploppy on Jul 26, 2011 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I talked about this idea with my friend.

I love it personally. It’s just the what if Montero needs to be a DH? Btw this line up is going to impossible to beat.

by Jeterian 2 on Jul 26, 2011 11:14 PM EDT reply actions  

If I had to pick one thing the Yankees shouldn’t be worrying about right now, I might pick signing a DH to a mega contract. It just doesn’t add up, especially with players aging.

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by Brandon C. on Jul 26, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t wait until Alex Rodriguez is earning $20+ million on the bench while an aging Teixeira and Fielder man 1st base and DH!

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by Chris McKeown on Jul 26, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

never said great

but formidable on paper 1-9 with a couple of minimal weaknesses. Many of the lineups during that “drought” (even though it was the 3rd longest in franchise history) underperformed from an expectations standpoint.

In reality, a lineup can only be so good before the things that make it flow conflict with eachother in their own subtle ways. I actually really like the lineup we have right now, this season’s batting averages aside, and don’t think we need Fielder at all going forward.

by total hermination on Jul 27, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh, we scored 968 runs in 2007.

Which was even more than our offense in 1998, for comparison’s sake. That was the best offense I’ve seen on the Yankees as a hardcore fan.

by Briceratops on Jul 27, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is absolutely zero chance of this happening

Say what you will about the Yankees free spending, but historically speaking, they’ve only given out 6+ year free agent contracts when they’ve identified a specific need:

- Mike Mussina – With the demise of David Cone the Yankees had a major need for a front end starter after the 2000 season.
- Jason Giambi – In 2001 the Yankees had many offensive lapses. The middle of the order was aging or retiring. The Yankees felt they needed an offensive boost.
- C.C. Sabathia – The Yankees were coming off missing the playoffs for the first time in 15 years and were in desperate need of front-end starting pitching.
- Mark Teixeira – The Yankees were coming off missing the playoffs for the first time in 15 years and had struggled to protect A-Rod in the lineup the previous few seasons.

Meanwhile, the Yankees have stayed away from giving out similar contracts to players they considered luxuries. The only major player they’ve added that could be considered a luxury was A-Rod in 2004, but it was an extreme case as they were getting the best player in baseball.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jul 27, 2011 1:37 AM EDT reply actions  

I think it's always a possibility with the Yankees

Cliff Lee (another ace) wasn’t a specific need either, but they went pretty hard after him. And you don’t think it’s possible that the Yankees will see the DH as a need because Posada is an automatic out this season?

Anytime a big name free agent comes onto the market, you have to at least say there’s a possibility with a team with this much money and a couple bosses who know nothing about baseball.

CALL UP JESUS MONTERO!

by nyyrocks29 on Jul 27, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think they did (and do) view no. 2 starter as a need. Cliff Lee’s obviously better than a no. 2, but they were willing to go the extra mile because there was nothing on the market besides him.

I would equate Prince Fielder more with the decisions not to pursue guys like Carl Crawford and Carlos Beltran. I don’t think they’d see the reward here as being worth the risk of a 7-year $150 mil contract.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jul 27, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could see

the Yankees going after a bat this offseason. Posada will be gone and A-Rod/Jeter will be another year removed from their prime. Nobody in the lineup seems like they will be due for a major rebound in offensive production next year. It wouldn’t shock me if they try to find an upgrade over Swisher, although he’s been very good and there aren’t any potential free agents better than him.

by Now Batting on Jul 27, 2011 3:12 AM EDT reply actions  

I'd say Swisher's option is a lock to be picked up...

Unless they rip it up and work out a multi-year deal with him for less per year.

As for DH, I think it’s more likely they’ll go after a less expensive shorter term option who can also play a position besides 1st like Carlos Beltran or Michael Cuddyer. This is, of course, assuming that Jesus Montero is the starting catcher next year, which is probably a foolish assumption.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jul 27, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

x

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by Rorschach44 on Jul 27, 2011 7:11 AM EDT reply actions  

thank you

I wish I could perform an inception on some of my fellow fans with your third paragraph as the implanted thought.

by total hermination on Jul 27, 2011 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

I'd love to sign him, but not under these circumstances

I think we could use a power hitting DH next year, but Fielder doesn’t fit the bill. A few thoughts:
1. I’d be willing to give him 3 years, but he’ll want more for sure. Unless we pay $35M per year.
2. I don’t think the DH spot should be “reserved” for resting players. However, if we sign someone of Fielder’s calibre, it won’t be justafiable to have someone else in his place even for a day.
3. There’s no way he’s only costing $20M, unless you give him 12 years.

by Sports Fan! on Jul 27, 2011 5:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Another thing about a big contract for a DH...

There seems to be a good likelihood that interleague play will be expanded within the next couple of years. This means more games that the AL DH spends on the bench.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jul 27, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they could get Adam Dunn for a reasonable price to dh next year and he could do much better than Posada & Jones together and be alot less $$$

by Ronald Conklin on Jul 27, 2011 5:58 PM EDT reply actions  

as bad as Posada and Jones have been

Adam Dunn’s been worse. Plus he’s signed for a few more years.

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by Rorschach44 on Jul 27, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Outside of his 10 home runs, Adam Dunn has pretty much hit like a pitcher this year

The White Sox would have to take back a really bad contract in order to move him. I don’t think we even have a contract that bad.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jul 27, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adam Dunn is a terrible, terrible baseball player.

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by Chris McKeown on Jul 27, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adam Dunn is trash

completely destroyed my fantasy team this year. Wasted a third or fourth round pick on him.

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by nyyrocks29 on Jul 27, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

The one thing that could make this work

is if the Yankees at least try to make Teixeria a 3rd baseman again. He was one at GT but switched to first to clear his path to the bigs and also cuz his glove is excellent and he’s a tortoise. And not necessarily right away, but here and there so Tex can ease into the position.

Seems crazy, but the idea of signing Fielder is insane as it is. That’s really the only way it could work among ARDO, Fielder and Tex. Of course they could trade Tex to the Brewers as his contract may be a bit more reasonable then Fielder’s, tho that doesn’t make much sense either.

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by Rorschach44 on Jul 27, 2011 6:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Crazy idea that's not happening

How about Pujols instead! He used to play the outfield and 3rd. He could DH the next couple of years, then move into the outfield when Swisher/Granderson leaves! And the DH spot would be left for Arod.

by Sports Fan! on Jul 27, 2011 6:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Red Sox are hitting lefties just as well as righties this season.

So no, it doesn’t matter.

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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jul 31, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

So we need another LOOGY for 1 guy?

Excellent logic there.

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by MattF15 on Jul 31, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's still just for 1 guy.

Logic still bad.

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by MattF15 on Aug 1, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cool, don't need him.

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by MattF15 on Aug 2, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Get your tokens ready

Unless you're a pitcher or Gustavo Molina, kindly SWING THE BAT and ignore the Binder's bunt signal.

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by Andrew GM on Aug 2, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Prince will go to the highest bidder.

DH, first base, bullpen catcher, doesn’t matter. Whoever pays him the biggest assload of money will get him, and it won’t be the Yankees because a DH isn’t needed.

by Briceratops on Jul 31, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

and I want to live in a house made of skittles

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by Brandon C. on Jul 31, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeter, Swisher, Gardner

Perhaps you should check out there hr, rbi, and k for this season and you tell me where we need help, Check it out maybe we need to think about a new ss and left fielder like ryan braun.

by Terry P on Aug 15, 2011 2:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Jeter for DH ? How

How could anyone think of Jeter for a DH?

by Terry P on Aug 15, 2011 2:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Why should we pay $20 million for a DH?

He’s a great hitter, but he wouldn’t even play 1B for us except on occasion. $20 million for pure hitting is astronomically expensive, even for the yankees.

by bloppy_ploppy on Aug 15, 2011 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

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