An Ideal 40 Man Roster Discussion
If you've been around PSA at all lately, you have most likely seen a lot of discussion about the state of the Yankees 40 man roster. There seem to be some truly baffling inclusions and exclusions that make little sense to those of us who don't know what's going on in the collective minds of the Yankee front office. However, that doesn't and shouldn't stop discussion about what we would do if given the chance to make such decisions. Whether you agree with the decisions that have been made by the front office or not, everyone has some idea of who should and should not be on the roster, because it's always interesting to see how certain players' inclusions are defended by fans, and this is mine.
The Mops:
There are seven pitchers on the 40 man roster who can really only be described as mop up relievers. Having a few of these guys around to pitch in blow outs is necessary, but at some point, having too many is simply redundant. I don't see what Buddy Carlyle (4.70 ERA, 5.04 FIP), can contribute that Lance Pendleton (2.25 ERA, 5.95 FIP) and Luis Ayala (1.48 ERA, 3.24 FIP) can't also do. Of those, I prefer Ayala, because his Batting Average Against (.247) doesn't look as unsustainable to me as Pendleton's .182 BAA does, but it's a pretty small sample size in all cases. Ayala's 91.5 LOB%, however, is concerning. Batters were hitting almost .600 off of Kanekoa Texeira in AAA before he went on the Disabled List, but somehow, his inclusion on the 40 man roster remains necessary. The Yankees seem reluctant to risk their players being claimed off waivers, but I just can't imagine that the organization would be terribly devastated if we cut a little excess in the purely low leverage pitcher department.
The Catchers:
It's been well documented here that Russell Martin has not displayed the offense worthy of the All Star Game he showed at the beginning of the season lately. Through April, Martin had a .293/.376/.587 triple slash, a .425 wOBA, and a 170 wRC+. This began talk on PSA about apologies, possibly making him catcher of the future, and allowed him to accumulate a likely insurmountable lead in voting to be the American League starting catcher at the ASG (my apologies to Alex Avila). A few people remained skeptical, as his career numbers showed that he had a tendency to start off hot and then cool off as the injuries crept up. Joe Girardi has not been very kind to Russ and has played him more than a catcher with a history riddled with injuries probably should be. When Martin hurt his back and couldn't play for nearly a week, Francisco Cervelli stepped in to play every game. Cervelli is fine as a backup, but he was playing as a starter, and the weaknesses (or possibly fatigue, maybe both) started to show in his game. Too many attempts to catch a base stealer became a game of catch with Curtis Granderson, and his offense, while ok for a backup, certainly didn't make anyone really forget about his defensive struggles.
For the month of May, Martin's triple slash dropped to .200/.333/.347 with a .323 wOBA and a 100 wRC+. As of today, nearly the end of June, the numbers have lowered even more to .174/ .278/.174, .223 wOBA, and a 32 wRC+ for the month. Whether the extreme drop off is due to injury or simply being overworked (I think it's both, personally, and that the two are directly related to one another), steps can and should be taken to try and get Martin back to his April form, or at least closer to it than he is now.
Should Russell Martin have gone to the DL? Probably, but we can't do anything about that at this point. The best we can hope for now is having him rested and healthy as the season goes on, even if he can't return to those April numbers. I believe that the best way to keep him healthy for the rest of the season is to have him split time at catcher so he doesn't get overworked. The best way to do this? Call up Jesus Montero. This plan allows Jesus to get acclimated to the big leagues, while giving Martin the necessary rest he needs to stay healthy. If each of them caught 3-4 days a week, it would go a long way toward ensuring that we'd have 2 healthy catchers ready for a playoff push, minimizing the time Cervelli needs to spend behind the plate. Teams like the Reds, Tigers, and even the Angels, to an extent, use a 2 catcher system effectively. It is possible to get both adequate playing time, considering that Montero could also DH if necessary. Last season, Montero found his power swing as the summer went on. It would be great if he could bring some of those home runs to the Bronx while also learning from some of the best players in the game. Would anyone truly miss Gustavo Molina if his roster spot was given to Jesus Montero?
Some guys have a necessary spot on the 40 man roster to ensure that they cannot be taken in the Rule 5 draft, which explains the inclusion of players like Dellin Betances, Andrew Brackman, and Melky Mesa, among others. Those players aside, who would you drop or add to the 40 man roster if you were in charge? Are you a fan of it as it stands? The current roster can be found here, if you're interested.
Please call up Jesus Montero.
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If Montero isn’t going to be in the major leagues, then it really doesn’t bother me that he isn’t on the 40 man roster. It’s not like it affects where he plays. If the Yankees are going to call him up, it isn’t going to be too difficult to get him on the 40 man and then call him up after that. But it’s not an obstacle that is getting in the way of him being in the major leagues. The issue is who is on the 25 man roster. If the Yankees want somebody in the majors, it’s not hard to make quick roster adjustments to get them there.
We’ve been over time and time again why Montero needs to be in the major leagues. And while Martin continues to struggle both offensively and his throws from behind the plate (throwing as many into CF as Cervelli has lately), I don’t understand what Cash is waiting for. Split the starting catching time with Martin and Montero. Martin can also play 3B, so there can be days where he plays third and Montero catches and that could give A-Rod a day off or half a day. But there’s definitely a way they could make it work.
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I disagree that him not being on the 40 man is not an obstacle.
I think if he had been on the 40 man when Martin was out for a week, he’d have been called up. As it is, someone would have to be taken off the 40 man so he could be added, and the Yankees have shown a real reluctance to do that. Could they do it? Sure, but it doesn’t seem like they are overly willing to in most cases.
Maxwell is out for the year with an injury and he is not yet on the 60 Day DL, so that spot should be coming available sooner or later. It’ll be interesting to see what they do with it.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jun 27, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Well whether they could do it and whether they are smart enough to do it are two different things
The 40 man roster shouldn’t ever be an obstacle, because there is no way that everybody on the 40 man roster is so valuable that they have to be on there at all times. But I suppose you are right that it is possible that they just aren’t willing to make changes to the 40 man unless they think it’s completely necessary.
If thats the case, then it needs to change. And everyone seems to agree that Montero needs to be added to both the 40 man roster and the 25 man roster soon. Preferably in the next five minutes, if you don’t mind Cash.
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You are absolutely right that it shouldn't be an issue, especially when there is a need.
There’s a lot of clutter on there than the Yankees could part with without skipping a beat, which was my entire point. Would anyone miss Gustavo Molina? Steve Garrison? I can’t see it being the end of the world if some other team claimed them after they were DFA’d. The question and what I just cannot understand is why they don’t seem to agree.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jun 27, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe they read the Binder?
Or don’t use logic.
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by JumpinJackFlash on Jun 27, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Steve Garrison?
I can honestly say I have never heard this name. And I’ve gone to minor league games before. When did the Yankees even get this guy?
I would think (or hope) that the Yankees would be smart enough to DFA someone like him if they needed to add someone to the 40 man roster to make a callup. Of course, I think they do need to call someone up- Cashman just doesn’t seem to believe so.
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http://riveraveblues.com/2011/03/who-exactly-is-steve-garrison-44104/
Pretty sure he’s been injured for a good chunk of this season, as well.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jun 27, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree on Montero.
I think they should call him up, it’s another catcher so we wouldn’t have to use Gustavo Molina, and he can’t be any worse than Cervelli has been.
If he is worse than Cervelli, then he shouldn’t be catching.
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by JumpinJackFlash on Jun 27, 2011 5:29 PM EDT reply actions
...who the hell is Reegie Corona?
Anyway, personally I think the Yankees need to DFA Jones and get him off a roster of any kind. He’s really shown me nothing that says he belongs in this lineup more than a Greg Golson or even a Chris Dickerson. I’d love for Chavez to come back, but it doesn’t look like that’s happening anytime soon. Damn shame.
As I look at the 40 Man Roster, it’s just amazing how we really have no bench. Maybe they’re just waiting to get interleague over with, I dunno, but the fact that we have so many relievers and so frightened turtle of a bench just makes me wonder what they are doing. I mean, I’m definitely not a baseball or stat expert like most PSAers, but maybe they are just showing some of these relievers off as….potential trade bait or something? I mean I don’t know who’d want a My Buddy doll or a Rock McChestington, but I’m sure there must be some teams who could use them. I dunno, it’s damn confusing.
As always with the “call up Jesus” debate, I’m still very concerned that they are holding him till trade season to see if they get a good offer for him. It’s the only real reason I can see for not either putting him on the roster or calling him up, especially over Gustavo f’in Molina. It’s clear that neither Russel Martin nor Into CF Cervelli are the future, so the fact that they are holding him back, supposedly due to “attitude” problems just concerns me, especially considering that they’ve shown they have been willing to trade him in the past.
With Cashman, it’s really always been a give a little, get a little relationship between him and I. I don’t think he’s a bad GM, but I don’t particularly think he’s that good of a GM either. But, I’d probably make an awful GM, so we’ll see what happens when trade season comes about.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jun 27, 2011 5:42 PM EDT reply actions
Oh, and speaking of rosters, Brewers DFA'd Sergio Mitre
Shocking.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jun 27, 2011 5:43 PM EDT reply actions
Who is this "Mitre" you speak of?
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by JumpinJackFlash on Jun 27, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
What's Chad Gaudin up to?
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jun 28, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
With any luck?
Not heading to New York. I know this breaks WWJD’s heart.
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by JumpinJackFlash on Jun 29, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Reiteration
Please call up Jesus Montero.
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Because the Anchorman quote has been beaten to death, I’ll simply reply by saying “I don’t know”.
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by Chris McKeown on Jun 28, 2011 9:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
its not a man,
its actually Spanish for “Whale’s Vagina”
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 28, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
San Diego
So now the guys in the subway are saying Jesus is coming on October 21, 2011, but that would mean he wouldn't be on the playoff roster, let alone be eligible for it. I really don't know where these guys are getting their information from...
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No idea.
Although, I read that for his spot to come available, he’d have to be promoted to the majors and then be placed on the 60 day DL. He’d then have to be paid as if he were playing on the big league club. I don’t know how willing the Yankees will be to do that. It sounds complicated.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jun 30, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Why call up Montero?
Russell is obvisouly our starting catcher. Cervelli is playing great ball (when he plays) and Jorge is our (Emergency) catcher. Why have 4 catchers? He will never play if we call him up. Unless we send Cervelli down which will probaily never happen cause he is playing good ball as of now.
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jun 30, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh.
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jun 30, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Russell has obviously sucked since the end of April.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jun 30, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, thinking CERVELLI or Posada, who would only catch if every single other catcher couldn't, would take time from Montero?
Laughable.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jun 30, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Cervelli is playing great ball, those were some ROPES he hit today.
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Russ hit a HR last night, man!
All other things invalidated. Forever.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jun 30, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Cervelli is pretty much irrelevant
Yea he’s been hitting better lately but he’s the backup catcher, and Montero isn’t going to be called up to be a backup. And since the Yankees don’t see that he and Martin can split time, Cervelli doesn’t really matter in this case.
The problem is Russell Martin, who other than his HR yesterday is hitting under .200 since the end of April. And his OBP and power numbers aren’t exactly sparkling enough to make up for the horrible batting average. Yea, he’s the starter but he’s playing horrible and they have a solution waiting in the minor leagues.
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Um, his offense has been lacking since April but the rest of his game has been decent, so I wouldnt say he's playing horrible
His defense has been solid and its pretty obvious that he calls a good game as the pitching staff on the whole has been pretty damn good. The catcher deserves some credit for that, right?
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He's thrown about as many balls into center field as Cervelli has lately...
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jul 2, 2011 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions
yes, the catcher gets some credit for that
The staff likes throwing to him. Thats a good thing, but not necessarily enough to make up for his lack of offensive numbers. These are veteran pitchers who have played for a long time and can call their own game. If the catcher and pitcher can’t call it then the bench can call the pitches. I think if the Yankees can get better offense out of the catching position then the pitchers will adjust.
And the rest of his defense has been lacking- his throws have been much less accurate since the start of the season and I’ve seen tons of balls from him go into center field.
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We're winning
We’re in 1st place.
That’s all that matters to me. Is Montero going to make us be in 1st 1st place?
I bet it's good to be playing again, huh?
Not the point…
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jul 2, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I know. But it’s been rehashed over and over. I’d trade him, as you know.
I bet it's good to be playing again, huh?
But why trade him? They’re winning and in 1st place…is Player X acquired in a trade going to put them in 1st?
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