A Variety of Yankees Related Thoughts
by Brandon C. on Jun 11, 2011 5:51 PM EDT
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PrintThe Yankees won their second straight game against the Indians today, and I mass-tweeted my thoughts. For those of you that do not use twitter, or do not follow me, here are those thoughts, along with some others.
-I was at the Yankees game Friday night, and the crowd was impressively loud. It was packed, and even after it rained there were tons of fans in the actual stands, rather than waiting in the concourses.
-I would like to apologize to Ivan Nova. I repeatedly said I did not want to see him pitch again, (I had just seen him on May 22nd vs. the Mets) but he made me regret those words. Solid outing Friday night.
-It may be because it was Jorge Posada figurine night, but the crowd really cheered for Jorge. When the lineup was announced before the game he got the biggest ovation.
-There is no doubt in my mind and there was no doubt in my mind that Fausto Carmona intentionally hit Mark Teixeira. The reason why he did is just moronic to me.
-The Girardi/Acta argument really woke the crowd up. In the beginning they were pretty quiet, and as I just mentioned, by the end Yankee Stadium was rocking.
-All that being said, Mitch Talbot's HBP seemed completely unintentional to me, and he should not have been ejected. I get that the ump just wanted control of the game, but warning both sides seemed like the better solution.
-The Yankees should NOT hit anyone on purpose. Not this series, not any series. The Indians get the point that if they hit anyone they lose the pitcher. The Indians get that they can't go too inside, and there is no reason to put anyone on base out of some form of retalliation. I don't care who's pitching, do not hit anyone purposely.
More thoughts after the jump
-Curtis Granderson is a beast. Honestly I do not know what else to say about him, every time he comes to the plate I expect a home run.
-Mark Teixeira isn't too far off, but is getting less credit.
-David Robertson is my favorite pitcher right now. If he learns to not pitch himself into trouble he can be one of the best in the league.
-I am fine with David Phelps or Hector Noesi replacing Bartolo Colon. Maybe even Adam Warren. Anyone else is unacceptable.
-That Amauri Sanit is on the 40-man roster is absolutely horrible. Sanit barely belongs in AAA right now, and there are much more deserving pitchers in AAA.
-One pitcher that can pitch long relief and should be called up to replace Sanit is George Kontos. In 33 IP Kontos has allowed 27 hits, with an ERA of 2.45. Kontos has walked 13 and struck out 36, while holding hitters to a .227 batting average against.
-Hopefully Kevin Whelan's awful debut does not ruin his chances of playing any kind of important role in the Yankees bullpen.
-At this point I think the 25 man roster should be the following:
C-Martin, Montero, Posada
1B-Teixeira, Vazquez
2B-Cano
3B-Rodriguez, Nunez
SS-Jeter
OF-Gardner, Granderson, Swisher, Jones
SP-Sabathia, Burnett, Garcia, Nova, Phelps
RP-Noesi, Ayala, Logan, Robertson, Whelan, Kontos, Rivera
Optioned to AAA: Cervelli, Pendleton
DFA'd: Gustavo Molina, Sanit
Placed on 60 Day DL: Justin Maxwell
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I think that’s a great roster, but I don’t know if vaxquez will get to play very often
What about Zoidberg?
by Meatface on Jun 11, 2011 6:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Pretty much in agreement on the roster...
Except I would give Noesi the first opportunity to start. I think he’s earned that in the 15 innings he’s pitched out of the pen.
Vazquez should get the call and DH vs. lefties. We’ve seen enough of Andruw Jones. With 6 games in NL parks coming up, Vazquez would also be useful as a pinch hitter.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jun 11, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
No No No
Retaliation is a must if you do not want people chucking fastballs at your best players because they know you will do nothing. I hate that the game is policed by sniveling umpires and not the players anymore.
Congrats to all who have turned PA into the Yahoo comment boards. New it couldn't last forever. Damn idiots had to go and win the World Series. The dude at the 7 eleven keeps saying fat man in undearwear punch my eye.
by cashman bashman on Jun 11, 2011 6:14 PM EDT reply actions
No it’s not
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jun 11, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
No No No
If the umpires have already made the point of you throw at a hitter you get ejected, why would the Yankees throw at someone? First of all, the Yankees pitcher could be ejected, and second of all, if the Indians pitcher knows he could be ejected for throwing at someone, why would they do it on purpose? Whether you like it or not the umps have the control, I don’t want to lose a pitcher and give up a base because we’re trying to prove a point.
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Especially as thin as our pitching is right now.
It's like being a huge fan of winning, which we do, relentlessly.
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jun 11, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
What you need to understand
is that this will continue if we don’t start retaliating. And as it does continue, someone could get hurt. Do you want to see Grandy, Tex, or A-Rod out for an extended period of time because our pitchers did nothing to put an end to the obvious plunking of our best hitters? When and if we hit opposing batters you can believe their hitters will tell their pitching staff to cut the crap, and this will eventually come to an end.
I bet it's good to be playing again, huh?
Plunking Ortiz really seemed to do a whole lot.
Also I’d rather not have our good starting pitchers risk getting tossed from a game early.
Unless you're a pitcher or Gustavo Molina, kindly SWING THE BAT and ignore the Binder's bunt signal.
What greatscott said.
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by Brandon C. on Jun 12, 2011 9:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Why? He said the exact argument I was going to make.
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by Brandon C. on Jun 12, 2011 11:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that's not policing, that's head hunting and that is shameful
retaliation is getting outs and scoring runs, not jeopardizing the score of the game, the health of players and the ejection of people you need. Production > petty “policing” that won’t even do much
So i take it your assuming
Colon is either kicked out of the league or severly hurt and that Hughes isn’t coming back?
by Kmillz2525 on Jun 11, 2011 6:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
25 man roster isn't for people on the DL
It's like being a huge fan of winning, which we do, relentlessly.
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jun 11, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I know
But I thought hughes was close to being back and didn’t think Colon was that hurt. But I get what he means I thought he meant in general not just right now
by Kmillz2525 on Jun 11, 2011 6:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Considering Soriano isn't on his list, he means right now.
It's like being a huge fan of winning, which we do, relentlessly.
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Jun 11, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll say the Douche hits more HRs
he’s a HR hitter, tho the way Grandy swings I just can’t see him tailing off so I wouldn’t be surprised.
I’d say each end up with over 40HRs. How many times has a team had two 40HR hitters?
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Maybe three
A-Rod has a shot too. He’s hit some bombs lately and seems to be going on one of his HR streaks.
"Uh yeah, you don't execute down the stretch, you pay for it."- Adam Morrison (aka Greatest Athlete of All Time) giving some of his precious, valuable wisdom.
AMMO still had more rings than LeBron.
I think ARod will end up with 30-40 home runs
It’s been a few years since he had over 40, so I’m not sure if he still has a 40-home-run-season in him. Not that I would complain if he did hit 40 this year!
Yea not since 2007
Although if he played a full season he was on pace to do so in 2009.
I’m not expecting it, but it wouldn’t surprise me if he hit 40 this year. Lots of people expected it out of spring, but he went into a little HR drought after the first month. Lately he’s been hitting them out with some regularity again, so hopefully that continues for a while.
"Uh yeah, you don't execute down the stretch, you pay for it."- Adam Morrison (aka Greatest Athlete of All Time) giving some of his precious, valuable wisdom.
AMMO still had more rings than LeBron.
most recent teammates I can think of with 40 each might actually be Maris & Mantle. Possibly Richie Sexson & Jeromy Burnitz too, they were on a roll at the start of the 2000s. To teh record bookz!
jk I’m dumb. Jermaine Dye & Jim Thome (2006- 42 & 40, respectively). There’s a Sporcle quiz!
Unless you're a pitcher or Gustavo Molina, kindly SWING THE BAT and ignore the Binder's bunt signal.
more than I thought
tho of course the mid-90s until mid 2000s had a good portion of them
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Ortiz and Ramirez
did it in 2004, and 2005 and in 2006 combined for 89 but Ramirez did not reach 40 (54+35). Cue steroid comments now…
and it is not so uncommon-
the Mariners did it in 96 (2 w/40, 1 w/30, 2 w/20),1997 (a year they had 2 w/40, 1 w/30, and 3 w/20), 1998 (50 and 40), and 1999. I bet more than one Indians teams in the 90s did it. Maybe a As team in the late 80s. Will be harder in this somewhat cleaner time.
the sporacle quiz has em all
and yes, the roid twins did it twice in a row
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The 25-man roster looks good is Colon goes to the DL
If Colon doesn’t need to go to the DL, then I would take out Garcia
When Hughes comes back, I would take Phelps out of the mix.
My only question is why Logan is still there? Are there no decent lefties in SWB?
Logan isn't going anywhere
He’s not even the worst guy in the pen up here right now, and the Yanks won’t send him down anyways. No point making up situations where he isn’t in the bullpen, because they aren’t realistic.
"Uh yeah, you don't execute down the stretch, you pay for it."- Adam Morrison (aka Greatest Athlete of All Time) giving some of his precious, valuable wisdom.
AMMO still had more rings than LeBron.
Usually you are right
There are however some cases where a pitcher needs to protect his players. Not usually- most of the time I consider it a bad idea to try and get into a beanball fight with the other teams pitcher. It will get the pitchers ejected and players hurt.
However, have you seen how many Yankee hitters have been hit recently? 8 in the last five games I believe, and some of them were to some very important hitters. I was at the game today, and A-Rod was down for a while and I was scared to death, thinking it got him somewhere bad and he’s have to come out of the game. Fortunately he stayed in and it’s a non issue, but thats not the point. Whether intentionally or non-intentionally, Yankees hitters are becoming target practice, and sometimes the best way to make it stop is to retaliate.
I believed it was the right decision for CC to hit somebody on that team at the time he did. I wouldn’t have done it at a moment the Sox were starting a rally (although he got out of the inning), but Ortiz was being an ass to the Yankees and Girardi in the media, and Josh Beckett was throwing inside at will, and pretty much if he hit someone, he didn’t care. I don’t think any of his 3 HBP were intentional, but all the same he needs to be more careful before he gets someone hurt.
On the contrary, retaliating yesterday or today would have been a mistake. The Yankees got their point across plenty with the brawl and what Girardi had to say to Carmona and Acta (reading his lips on TV, he called Carmona a “piece of shit”. good for you Joe!). And today, the guy was ejected right away, so even if it was intentional they already paid for it. And it was a close game.
The only time I support retaliation is in a situation where retaliating will NOT hurt the teams chance to win (so 2 outs, nobody on and a decent lead), and if Yankee batters constantly are getting hit with no reason or indication that it will stop happening. That seemed to be the case with the Red Sox, which is why I supported it there. In this series it hasn’t made sense to throw at any Indians and the Yankees haven’t, which is good. But I just think it needs to be said that there are certain times when retaliation is necessary. And you seem to be thinking that any time they retaliate it’s an awful idea.
"Uh yeah, you don't execute down the stretch, you pay for it."- Adam Morrison (aka Greatest Athlete of All Time) giving some of his precious, valuable wisdom.
AMMO still had more rings than LeBron.
I agree
I think it depends on who the pitcher is. I would trust CC to get out of a self-created jam more than I would trust (for example) Nova. Likewise, I wouldn’t encourage AJ to retaliate since HBPs come in batches with him. I also think that retaliation is no longer necessary if the opposing pitcher has been ejected
true
thats something I forgot to bring up- it depends on the Yankee pitcher in the game. I wouldn’t retaliate with a young pitcher just coming into the league. However with CC or Colon or AJ Burnett (only on a good night when he actually has control), then yes depending on the situation.
CC is brilliant at retaliation. He knows when to do it, and he never gets it up in the danger zone up by the head. It’s always at the back. And (although we’ve never seen this situation occur), we know that he isn’t backing down if some idiot hitter decides to say something to him or charge the mound.
"Uh yeah, you don't execute down the stretch, you pay for it."- Adam Morrison (aka Greatest Athlete of All Time) giving some of his precious, valuable wisdom.
AMMO still had more rings than LeBron.
With the way other teams seem to be thinking the Yankees hit one batter of opposing team, and then opposing team retaliates again and hits A-Rod. Let’s just say the pitcher on the opposing team misses a bit and hits A-Rod in the right hip. Boom, man down.
You seem to be thinking that it’s all over once a Yankees pitcher hits someone. Who says the other team won’t retaliate to the Yankees retaliation? Also, who says the Yankees pitcher won’t be just ejected? What if he gets suspended?
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ULTRA CURVEBALL
Unless you're a pitcher or Gustavo Molina, kindly SWING THE BAT and ignore the Binder's bunt signal.
No
but if the Yankees don’t hit anybody, they will continue throwing at our hitters and hitting them (whether intentionally or not). If a Yankee retaliates, it will not only show the other team that you are willing to retaliate (and possibly make them be more careful that way), but it also will cause the benches to be warned. So if somebody decides to hit A-Rod in the right hip (which unless he starts switch hitting, won’t ever happen), then there will be consequences.
"Uh yeah, you don't execute down the stretch, you pay for it."- Adam Morrison (aka Greatest Athlete of All Time) giving some of his precious, valuable wisdom.
AMMO still had more rings than LeBron.
Does everyone believe all of these HBP are intentional? Carmona and CC’s were the only intentional ones, and the rest seem to be due to lack of control in pressure situations vs top hitters.
Say it was the other way around and they retaliated against the Yankees, you wouldn’t say why did they just do that none of ours were intentional?
All I know is every HBP is one step closer to a pitcher getting out of whack, or a runner scoring, or even a brawl, which is one step closer to a suspension.
I’m sick of this, Talbot obviously didn’t do it on purpose, this should have ended Friday night.
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by Brandon C. on Jun 12, 2011 9:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I believe I said
That since Talbot clearly did not do it on purpose, it was a one time occasion and he got tossed right away that no retaliation was needed? I said that the Yankees shouldn’t have retaliated at all in this series.
The only retaliation I supported was Ortiz getting plunked. Beckett had nailed 3 Yankees (all of them top players) and whether it was intentional or not, the result is still the same. Yankees were consistently getting hit, and Beckett was coming inside freely without worrying about anything. You’re putting too much in store of whether it was intentional or not. If it was intentional, Yankees are getting hit. If it wasn’t intentional, then Yankees are still getting hit while pitchers freely command the inside, saying, “if it hits them, I don’t care”. The result is the same.
"Uh yeah, you don't execute down the stretch, you pay for it."- Adam Morrison (aka Greatest Athlete of All Time) giving some of his precious, valuable wisdom.
AMMO still had more rings than LeBron.
If we do it
Ill stop watching the Yankees till Cashman is fired
by Kmillz2525 on Jun 11, 2011 7:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Seriously, Jesus Montero for Carlos Beltran And Francisco Rodriguez, ugly trade.
What is this "Yankees" team everyone is talking about?
Stupid delusional Mets fan
"Uh yeah, you don't execute down the stretch, you pay for it."- Adam Morrison (aka Greatest Athlete of All Time) giving some of his precious, valuable wisdom.
AMMO still had more rings than LeBron.
This makes no sense for us
Yea I want Krod because our pen is hurting and he’s damn good and a possible Mo replacement for awhile. BUT montero is OUR future not the Mets. Seriously if Martin had bust or got hurt Montero would be starting so idk where they say he won’t make it up for us?
by Kmillz2525 on Jun 11, 2011 7:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh and the question
I think Tex ends up with more, seeing as he’s the bigger HR hitter. But Grandy’s been really impressive powerwise up to this point.
"Uh yeah, you don't execute down the stretch, you pay for it."- Adam Morrison (aka Greatest Athlete of All Time) giving some of his precious, valuable wisdom.
AMMO still had more rings than LeBron.
I doubt well get krod because I bet we’d offer 2 AAA guys, maybe an arm and a bat or a better arm. But I think that the rangers want him the most and they will offer better. Better making an offer but having options open
What about Zoidberg?
by Meatface on Jun 11, 2011 7:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I missed the game but just saw A-Rod's homer on video
HOW THE FUCK DID HE HIT THAT OUT?! Seriously.
Unless you're a pitcher or Gustavo Molina, kindly SWING THE BAT and ignore the Binder's bunt signal.
With the power of Zeus?
"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"
by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jun 11, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
you mean the power of a Centaur?
"Uh yeah, you don't execute down the stretch, you pay for it."- Adam Morrison (aka Greatest Athlete of All Time) giving some of his precious, valuable wisdom.
AMMO still had more rings than LeBron.
No
I meant that the greek god Zeus let his power flow through A-Rod’s centaurian at bat.
"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"
by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jun 11, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
“-Hopefully Kevin Whelan’s awful debut does not ruin his chances of playing any kind of important role in the Yankees bullpen.”
I doubt it will. You really cannot judge a person on one start, no matter whether it’s a dire straits situation against some sultan’s of swing, or whether it’s garbage time when the “Nickelback” hits & runs don’t matter.
"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"
by I'mGivingYouARaise on Jun 11, 2011 8:51 PM EDT reply actions
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