Making sense of the Posada Conundrum
Jorge Posada was locked in a staredown with Justin Verlander, the 39-year-old veteran on his way out facing the 28-year-old ace square in his prime.
It should have been a mismatch, but not on this night. On the eighth pitch of the at-bat, Posada squared up a 100-mph fastball from the Tigers right-hander and sent it over Austin Jackson's head and one hop over the center-field fence. The DH loped into second with a booming two-run double.
Even for a fleeting moment, it was a welcome reminder of what once was.
This has been a season of surprises for the Yankees. From an overall perspective, the team's standing atop the AL East as the Red Sox languish near the bottom jumps out. But we've witnessed unexpected individual performances as well. Bartolo Colon's resurrection. Phil Hughes' breakdown. Eric Chavez' re-emergence. Rafael Soriano's struggles.
Jorge Posada, on the other hand, has followed a trajectory that many people — experts and fans alike — predicted. Even after an encouraging four hits in the opening two games in Detroit, Posada is a .167 hitter. Six April homers have only somewhat obscured the fact that he's been overmatched in too many at-bats this season.
The Yankees knew this bill was coming due. An outstanding performance in the walk-year of his previous contract (.338 BA, 20 HR, 90 RBI, .970 OPS) virtually guaranteed they would have to overpay in the subsequent deal if they were to keep the popular veteran. The two sides ultimately agreed to terms to a four-year, $52 million contract in November 2007, an unheard of deal for a catcher on the wrong side of 35.
On balance, the contract has been a bust, though in fairness to Posada, he's had his moments. A shoulder injury muddled his 2008 season, but he remained a dangerous hitter and somewhat capable defender on the 2009 World Series team. The cracks began to show in earnest last year, as Posada's production dipped and his defense became impossible to ignore.
The team wisely stripped him of his catching duties prior to this season, making him the full-time designated hitter. The decision made sense on two levels: The Yankees could now get younger and more defensive-minded behind the plate while at the same time giving Posada a better chance to stay healthy, something he had struggled to do in recent years.
Derek Jeter, Posada's longtime teammate and erstwhile Core Four compadre, has had his own problems this season and might have similar types of problems in the final year of his contract (or even as soon as the present day, if you really want to be pessimistic about it). But Jeter is team royalty, an equal of the Babe, Lou, Joe D., and The Mick in Yankee Universe. The Yankees' re-signing of Jeter was as much about protecting the brand as securing on-field production.
Posada — though unquestionably one of the best catchers in team history — doesn't have nearly the same cache as Jeter, and is therefore extremely vulnerable. His relationship with Joe Girardi has always been complicated — Posada took away Girardi's job once upon a time, after all — which adds another element of intrigue to the mix.
In recent years, Girardi and Brian Cashman often spoke of the preference to keep the DH slot open as a rotation spot to give veterans "half days off" as well as to spot-start bench players.
Behind closed doors, it wouldn't be a surprise if the Yankees' braintrust would like to restore the DH as a soft landing spot for the likes of Alex Rodriguez, Jeter, and yes, Posada, albeit in a less substantial role.
Other teams would rule out this option for financial reasons, citing the poor business sense to sit a man earning $13.1 million this season. These are the Yankees, however, which means that logic has little use here.
Posada is going to have to hit to keep from ending his career in the shadows. Fair or not, the Yankees are big business and nobody gets a free pass.
Well, unless your girlfriend is Minka Kelly.
Dan Hanzus is a contributing writer to Pinstripe Alley. He can be reached at dhanzus@gmail.com or on Twitter @danhanzus.
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Really rudimentary estimate here, but Posada’s BABIP is around 100 points lower than you probably expect (xBABIP = LD % plus .120).
His HR/FB ratio is probably a little higher than you’d expect, but if you meet the two in the middle you get something like a .250/.350/.450 batting line, which isn’t terrible.
I’m much less worried about Posada than Jeter.
It's a sign of the times
That the two most recent posts address the concerns surrounding Jeter and Posada. Pettittittitte is retired, and the only reason Mo isn’t having real issues is that he’s a deity-robot hybrid (I’m assuming).
I also love that despite a pretty obvious changing of the guard, the team really isn’t missing a beat.
I dispense B.S. and facts. It is up to you to figure out which is which.
Jeter and Posada have sacrificed their hitting ability to focus more on what really helps the team win games
Leadership, intangibles, and heart.
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An outstanding performance in the walk-year of his previous contract (.338 BA, 20 HR, 90 RBI, .970 OPS) virtually guaranteed they would have to overpay in the subsequent deal if they were to keep the popular veteran.
The Yankees didn’t just overpay, they doubled his market value at least. 36 year old catchers do not sign 4 year deals, especially not for 13 million a year, no matter how good they are in their contract years. The Yankees inability to see the appropriate value when resigning their players has been what has led to a ton of wasted money (A-Rod, Posada, Jeter, etc.) If they offered Jorge 3 years and 30 million, who was going to make him a better offer? Nobody.
The Yankees’ re-signing of Jeter was as much about protecting the brand as securing on-field production.
Again, was “the brand” really ever in doubt? And why did the Yankees need to give him 2-3 times what any other team would have? Where else is he going to go? I wish “we’re the Yankees” would stop being a passable excuse for making terrible financial decisions and essentially flushing money down the toilet with gigantic overpays.
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by Lord Duggan on May 4, 2011 2:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
playing devil's advocate...
well to be fair, in 2008 posada was injured so i’ll give him a pass there.
in 2009 he produced 3.7 WAR which is around 16.5 mil in value
in 2010 he produced 2.4 WAR in limited AB’s which is 9.7 mil in vale
so in the two years he was healthy he produced a total value of 26.2 mil which was on par with his salary for the most part…And i would have guessed in 2008 had he not been injured he’d produced around 3ish WAR which justifies the 13 mil per year. It’s no where as bad as Jeter’s contract since posada when he is healthy has preformed very much up to his contract. He’s off to a bad start so far this year but his numbers show that he’s due for some improvement.
I didn’t mean overpay in the sense that he hasn’t been worth the contract, because free agents rarely are. I meant it in the sense that we could have resigned him for much less because no team was going to come anywhere near the 4/52 that we gave him.
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Okay...
If he never comes around this season, you essentially get only one year of true high-level production (‘09). He was passable offensively in ’10, and ’08 was an obvious washout. A pretty awful contract if this year doesn’t pan out.
in '10 his value was hurt alot by his crappy defense
assuming he can produce to his 2010 offensive value, which isn’t asking too much, i think he’ll be fine. We’re probably still overpaying him…but not a massive one.
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The Brand
Had the Yankees truly played hard ball with Jeter and he signed with another team — very unlikely, obviously, but still — that would potentially compromise Jeter’s standing as the face of the franchise not just now, but into his retirement. They are clearly grooming him as the next DiMaggio, i.e. the golden boy on Old-Timers Day, World Series games, etc., so overpaying him beyond his prime years was a way to protect their investment in him, post-career.
But where was he going to go? There were almost no teams in the market for a shortstop last off-season, and there was never any word about any other team being interested in Jeter, and certainly no other team was going to give him a salary to make him the highest paid shortstop in baseball, signed until the age of 40.
If the Yankees had refused to give Jeter a single dollar and he hit the free agent market, I really doubt that he sees a contract better than 2 years and 15-20 million. That makes giving him 51 million plus an option a really unforgivable business decision, regardless of the fact that the fans like him, he’s a popular True Yankee, or whatever else. You want to throw him a little cheddar to take care of him and let him age gracefully, that’s fine, but 30+ million dollars? On the heels of a 189 million dollar deal and countless endorsements? That’s never going to be smart baseball.
And, even if against all odds, some other team had signed Derek Jeter, the Yankees are still the Yankees and they’re always bigger than one single player. It would have been a tough pill for some of the fans to swallow, but we would have kept right on being the Yankees, we would have kept right on taking in huge amounts of money, and we would have kept right on winning.
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I think the Mets had interest if I can remember correctly
But I doubt 4 year interest
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Honestly, you should be use to it by now.
They’ve done it for so long and they will continue to do it because “they’re the Yankees.”
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on May 4, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a dumb excuse, even if it is/was true.
The same people say we should sign gigantic contracts because we’ve done it before.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on May 4, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying it's not stupid
I’m saying that to get worked up over it when the Yankees have done it time and time again is stupid. I mean, at this point, what do you expect? Look how much they were ready to give Cliff Lee, for longer than he signed with Philly. If we didn’t already have Tex, how much of the bank do you think they’d bust out for Pujols at the end of this year? NOTHING surprises me when it comes to how this team spends money or trades away it’s prospects. So I don’t let it bother me, and at this point, it shouldn’t be a shock to anyone when it does happen.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on May 4, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Well the team has been more financial aware in recent years
We didn’t give tex the largest contract in his FA, the orioles did
We didn’t knee-jerk resign Jeter for his asking price…even though it’s still an overpay
We didn’t give Lee an offer he couldn’t refuse…rather we have him 21 mil a year over 6…while it was the phillies who gave him the most per annual at 24 and the rangers gave him th highest total
We didn’t knee-jerk sign Lackey when he hit the market
We didn’t knee-jerk sign Carl Crawford
….so it does look like the FO is becoming more financially conscious…Jeter just get a sort of a pass.
-We still pay Tex a lot of money, and he knew he had a better chance to win with the Yankees. I’m not saying it’s a bad contract at all though.
-We overpay him because he’s the face of baseball. We were always going to overpay him.
-We still offered an aging, albeit really good pitching, a lot of money for a lot of years.
-Granted
-I wonder how hard Cashman had to fight for that one. Needless to say when Boston (Yankees Lite) signed him, I was happy.
I don’t think they’re becoming more financially conscious at all. I just think it was an off year.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on May 4, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Just as you think it's stupid to get worked up about it, I think it's stupid to defend it.
Just because it’s what has been done, doesn’t mean we have to say OH WELL, THAT’S THE YANKEES and never say that it’s a really dumb business model. If you’re cool with it, be cool with it. However, saying the rest of us shouldn’t continue to voice our opinion of it’s stupidity because “they’re the Yankees” and because it doesn’t personally bother you is lame.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on May 4, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
When did I ever say I was defending it?
I’m saying it should not be a shock to anyone, not that it’s not stupid. Lord knows how happy I am that they’re keeping Gardner. Lord knows how happy I am that they are actually building up their young farm pitching and not trading them or Jesus away. But if King Felix becomes available and the Yankee Organization decides to jump on it and dump the farm, will anyone, ANYONE really be that goddamn shocked knowing how this organization is run? Hell, look how much we gave Soriano to be an 8th inning pitcher. Was anyone really that surprised the Yankees just flushed money down the toilet.
IMO, to constantly get upset over stupid business spending when it has been done time and time again and will continue to be done time and time again by this organization is pointless. What does it get you? They’re not going to change, and IF they do, then more power to them and better for us. I’m not defending it. I’m just saying how it is, and if Yankee fans aren’t use to it by now, then I’m shocked.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on May 4, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
And it’s going to continue to be a terrible way to run a baseball team and it’s going to hurt us much more than help us.
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Yep!
Get use to it!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on May 4, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Pirates fans should just be content with their ownership making no effort to win. In fact, they should defend their owners by saying “We’re the Pirates, that’s what we do,” and tell people with reasonable strategies to improve the team to just “get used to it.”
If you’re ok with the Yankees being about as efficient as a Hummer, that’s fine, but I’m not and I’m never going to be because I’m a baseball fan first and a Yankees fan second and this is just bad baseball.
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Pirates fans aren't content. That's why they don't show up to the stadium.
And again I must point out, when did I say I was defending what the organization does? I’m just telling you how it is and how it has been, and no amount of bitching, whining, or complaining on a blog is going to change how our organization or the Pirates organization is going to change their practices. All Yankees fans and Pirates fans can hope is that their team improves the way they do business, but if you want to get into semantics, Pirates fans have a better chance of altering how their team does business by not spending money to see their team play, because sometimes money talks.
Are you willing to not go to games because of how the Yankees spend?
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on May 4, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
We can't change how they run the organization.
We can’t change Jeter’s defense.
We can’t change who the manager is.
We can’t change their dumb signings.
We can’t change a lot of things that we discuss on this blog and I don’t think anyone here really thinks we can, but unless you want every comment to be GO YANKEES, YAY YANKEES, that stuff is going to get discussed, regardless of whether it can be changed or not.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on May 4, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
There's a difference though between discussion and complaining
Discussion is saying that perhaps Jeter should be moved down in the line up with how he is producing or perhaps Posada should be given more days off or that Jorge Vasquez should be brought up, something can could feasible happen and could lead to viable discussions, perhaps about what we as fans think can be done to remedy certain situations. These things might or might not happen, but it’s something to talk about.
Complaining is whining about how (insert player here) is overpaid over and over again or how said signing of (insert player here) was stupid for whatever reason, which are things we can’t change and really just lead to “ESPN” broadcaster type discussions. It’s just as silly as just blinding saying GO YANKEES or thinking that Derek Jeter can do no wrong, just on the opposite side of the coin. The Yankees have issues, issues which can be discussed. But I see no point in bitching over what cannot be changed.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on May 4, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Discussing payroll can lead to viable discussions about how to ideally run a baseball team.
A viable discussion about alternatives and ideal situations (which is what we do with the player stuff anyway) can happen and does tend to happen. If you don’t want to participate in that, fine. I don’t think it’s hurting anything for it to happen though.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on May 4, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
That's discussing future options and possibilities
Discussing future options in payroll is fine, like say Cano’s contract coming up or perhaps cheap free agents on the market, or even the 2011 Trade Deadline or 2012 Free Agency. These are things that can be changed. That’s entirely different than complaining about past mistakes over and over again or being shocked when a possible future mistake or bad trade or whatever takes place with how we’ve seen this organization run. It’s also different than say discussing how said bad contract move in the past hopefully won’t be repeated with future contracts. Like I said, discussion and complaining are different.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on May 4, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Does it really matter that much to you that it not be done?
Is it honestly that big of a deal to complain about shitty things that the organization has done? People complain about every aspect of the team and sport at some point, I don’t know why this is different.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on May 4, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
LoL
All I said is that people should be use to said bad practices by now and that it’s stupid to get worked up about it. Complain all you want about it. It’s still pointless, just like booing is.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on May 4, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
And yet, you still choose to boo because it's your way of "voting".
You think that maybe, just maybe, someone will care that you are pissed off about something. I personally think booing is a waste of time and that no one will care if you boo from now until 2015, but you can still do it if you think it makes you feel better about the situation. Don’t see how it’s any different.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on May 4, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
...And again
All I said is that people should be use to said bad practices by now and that it’s stupid to get worked up about it. I never said I you didn’t have the right, nor that I don’t engage in pointless activity from time to time. Hell, my movie watching is evidence enough of that.
It’s not different. It’s pretty much the same thing. Both are stupid considering we have no say in the matter. However, to defend one and complain about another though is hypocritical.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on May 4, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't aware that voicing an opinion meant you were worked up.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on May 4, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Complaints usually are. Just like booing.
Which is why I said there is a difference between discussion and complaining.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on May 4, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Sigh.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on May 4, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
At the end of the day, who cares?
I sure don’t. Whether or not someone is ‘complaining’ or ‘discussing’, doesn’t matter.
We’re fans, it’s what we do. Lord knows, I’ve booed before when I was pleased with something my team did. It’s okay to vent frustrations.
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by JumpinJackFlash on May 4, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
You've booed when you were pleased with something they did?
Haha, that’s usually a situation when you’re NOT suppose to boo!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on May 4, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, yep.
I’m a paradoxical fan.
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by JumpinJackFlash on May 5, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
They say the best indicator of the future is the past.
The Yankees will overpay someone, or make a stupid signing (just like any other team). However, being the Yankees we’re in a brighter light than other teams.
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by JumpinJackFlash on May 4, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
And half of us will complain and half of us will be thrilled.
And when they struggle, everyone will complain some more. Complaining is what we do. If anyone should be used to anything, people should be used to that.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on May 4, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, I like to think we discuss more than we complain
My mistake!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on May 4, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
We discuss a lot, but we also complain a lot.
There’s nothing wrong with it. My ideas for solutions to the problem count for absolutely zero, so I’ll complain a little and discuss some and that’s that.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on May 4, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
We shouldn't have resigned Guadin.
Sorry, couldn’t resist a little complaining.
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by JumpinJackFlash on May 4, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not here anymore though!
Thankfully!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on May 4, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
For all we know
They might actually give said talent a chance. Believe me, I hope they do.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on May 4, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Can you clarify a little, I'm a bit lost here.
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by JumpinJackFlash on May 4, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Essentially
We might actually give our young pitching a chance to develop and thrive, rather than trade them for another superstar pitcher/bat/etc. We shall see though.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on May 4, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what I thought you meant.
I would like to see us give them a chance too, and it’d help lower our payroll (as much as I think this is beaten to death).
However, I can see the other side of the coin as well. Prospects are still just prospects. There is no guarantee that they will come in and be successful, or that they’ll be successful in pinstripes. Some people may want to trade potential for proven (AJAX for Granderson). Sometimes, I’m fine with this as long as the player is still fairly young and has time left (Granderson) but not for an aging star.
I would like to see our prospects get a chance because I like to see our farm players on the team, but I wouldn’t get my hopes up. Again, the best indicator of the future is the past.
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by JumpinJackFlash on May 4, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The past may be the best indicator of the future
But that’s only because it’s all we have to go off of besides guesswork. The past may be the best indicator we have, but it still is a rather poor one, otherwise nothing would ever change.
I dispense B.S. and facts. It is up to you to figure out which is which.
The past tends to repeat itself.
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by JumpinJackFlash on May 4, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
People are going to be a lot less willing to show up when the product we are putting on the field is a bunch of 40 year olds making $20million a season to be terrible.
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People will still turn out
If the team is winning. And right now Jeter isn’t hitting, Posada isn’t hitting, ARDO is in a big slump, and we are in first. You yourself said the team is above any one player…people won’t care as much if 2-3 old farts are struggling if guys like Tex, Cano, and Montero are driving in runs.
I dispense B.S. and facts. It is up to you to figure out which is which.
They’re winning now. Having overpaid 40 year olds taking up a chunk of your everyday roster and handcuffing your financial flexibility might put a big dent in that, especially in the AL East.
If the Yankees become a third place team, people are going to be a lot less inclined to go to an April game against the Royals, and that’s an entirely believable scenario in the coming years.
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How many overpaid 40 year olds will we have?
No way Posada lasts past next year, so he won’t be one of them. I only count Jeter and ARod. ARod will still be a reliable producer for at least another 3 years I imagine, by which point Jeter will likely be gone or cloe to gone too. So I never really see a point where we have a bunch of old creaky useless guys taking up a large portion of the roster unless a) ARod goes downhill FAST, b) the Yankees are dumb enough to give Jeter and/or Posada another contract when the current one is up or c) we go out and sign a bunch of overpaid 40 year olds.
I dispense B.S. and facts. It is up to you to figure out which is which.
In 2014 A-Rod and Jeter will be under contract and ages 39 and 40 respectively
Only one can DH
Tex and CC will be 34 and I wouldn’t bet on them being as productive as they are today
That year could be a problem for us if our prospects bust
So I cut his wrist...vertically!! He was on the floor dyin'...makin a sceene!!
2014?
Good lord…who knows what will happen by then. That’s 3 years from now. Where was this team 3 years ago? First year sans Torre, A-Rod was a complete enigma, and we missed the playoffs. Since then we’ve added key players like Granderson, Swisher, Tex, C.C., and A.J., while experiencing the growth of young contributors like Cano and Gardner. A lot happens in 3 years.
My point is that in three years Tex and CC will likely still produce at their positions, though maybe not at the superstar level that they do now. I guaran-freaking-tee that the Yanks will make at least a couple of big signings/trades to get players that we need over the next 3 years. They might not pan out, and yes things do go wrong, but the fact that we may have trouble in 3 years if the current roster stays the same is actually somewhat of a comfort to me because it indicates our current stability.
I dispense B.S. and facts. It is up to you to figure out which is which.
The same could be said about 2013
You can even add AJ at 37 that year
Point is, large contracts to people in their thirties=bad idea
So I cut his wrist...vertically!! He was on the floor dyin'...makin a sceene!!
In 2013
I doubt CC and Tex will be showing much age, and also I bet the ARod will be able to play at least 120 games at 3rd. If you guys want to look for things to worry about, be my guest. I just don’t think we are in that bad of a situation with the talent we have now and the talent coming up through the farm, plus the largest financial flexibility in baseball.
I dispense B.S. and facts. It is up to you to figure out which is which.
Hahahaha
People barely go to an April game against the Royals whether they are in 1st or 3rd.
"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"
by I'mGivingYouARaise on May 4, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It's discussions like this that lead to my defense of the Yankees to their haters:
Hater: ’How can they lose? They have a $200 million dollar payroll"
Quitter: ‘Yes, but so much of it just wasted.’
Seriously, Posada’s contract is not the worst, and if he gets to .250/.330/.450 and drives in say 75 runs, everyone would be happy. (I don’t know or care how much WAR that represents).
by designatedquitter on May 4, 2011 3:15 PM EDT reply actions






































