Prospect Trade Value and The New York Yankees
There has been some incredible research done on the value of prospects, especially by Victor Wang. You can read his full reports here (beginning on page 3) and here. His reseach has enabled me to share some ideas with you, the loyal readers of Pinstripe Alley.
Through some extensive research, Wang concluded that players ranked in certain levels of Baseball America's prospect rankings had an average amount of value to his parent club. His chart can be found here.
On top of Wang's research, I will also be using another incredibly valuable tool: Sky Kalkman's Trade Value Calculator. His calculator is quite simple. Plug in an individual's past WAR and his salary for those years. Keep going throughout the life of the contract, and insert future projections of WAR. The calculaion then gives you a player's net worth, or trade value. It also allows you to choose if the player will be a Type A or Type B free agent.
When an organization is looking to make a trade, and especially a major one, there are five things that go into encapsulating a player's value to an organization. Teams must assess the player's present skill, future potential, how long the player is under team control, the expected costs of paying the player, and the risks involved with projecting future performances.
There are reasons players like Miguel Cabrera and Alex Rodriguez do not have high trade values. Their contracts are enormous, and teams are extremely hesitant to take on long term commitments. Dave Cameron provides a nice example of this:
Often times, a team trading the player of value with a significant contract will offer to pay a portion of the remaining amount due to the player in order to increase the return they’re getting in talent. There is no way around it – teams are explicitly stating that they value player X at a certain threshold when he’s paid salary Y, but they value him at a higher amount if he only has to be paid salary Z instead. His value is inextricably tied to how much money he earns.
Due to this, prospects, young players, and players with very team friendly contracts have incredible trade value, especially when they are extremely talented. When guys are rated in Dave Cameron's Top 10 Trade Value, you can be sure that they have team friendly contracts and are very skilled baseball players.
For the purpose of this post, I will be looking at Josh Johnson. He is a player I would love to see the Yankees look into as a potential trade target, and the young right hander came in at number 9 on Cameron's Trade Value list.
Using Kalkman's Trade Value Calculator, I plugged in Johnson's salaries for the 2011, 2012, and 2013 seasons. For these three years, he will be making $7.75MM, $13.75MM, and $13.75MM, respectively.
Now, it is time to predict his future WAR. In 2009, Johnson had a 5.6 fWAR, and a 6.3 fWAR in 2010. For 2011, 2012, and 2013, let's assume Johnson stays healthy. These three years will cover his age 27, 28, and 29 years, so he will be in his prime. Due to this, there is no reason to expect him to regress significantly. Additionally, his career FIP, at 3.13, is very close to his career ERA, at 3.00. During his outstanding 2010 season, his 2.30 ERA was very close to his 2.41 FIP. To put it simply, Josh Johnson is a very good pitcher, and there is no reason to expect him to regress or collapse, especially since we are assuming he will stay healthy throughout the life of his contract.
Therefore, it is safe to say his WAR will most likely fall somewhere between his 2009 and 2010 seasons over the next three years. For the sake of this post, let's assume he is a 6 win pitcher per season over the remainder of his contract.
According to the Trade Value Calculator, Johnson will be worth $47.1MM in net value, or trade value. Now, we need to head back over to Wang's prospect chart to see who the Yankees would need to give up in order to trade for Johnson. In this hypothetical trade, the Yankees will keep Jesus Montero and Manny Banuelos, but the talent leaving the organization will still be painful to see.
Gary Sanchez, ranked number 30 on Baseball America's top 100 list, will be on his way out. According to Wang's chart, he is worth $23.4MM. Dellin Betances, ranked number 43 on Baseball America's list, will also need to go to Florida. As a top 50 pitching prospect, he is worth $15.9MM. Andrew Brackman, ranked number 78 by Baseball America, will also be on his way out. As a 75-100 pitcher, he is valued at $9.8MM. An added filler prospect such as David Adams, a Grade C+ prospect as graded by John Sickels, should finish off the deal nicely. Grade C prospects, age 23 and higher, are worth $0.5MM.
The Yankees receive Josh Johnson and agree to pay the remainder of his contract. His total projected value is $47.1MM in net worth. The Marlins receive Gary Sanchez, Dellin Betances, Andrew Brackman, and David Adams, totaling $49.6MM.
There you have it, folks. Prospects are valuable, but so are aces with team friendly contracts. It would be hard to see all of that talent and potential leave the organization, but Josh Johnson is an outstanding pitcher.
I would pull the trigger on this trade. Would you?
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Good post
Although before I made the Josh Johnson trade, I would explore a trade for Felix Hernandez.
He’d be under team control for an extra year, through 2014. If you assume that he’s a 6.5 WAR pitcher through 2014 – which, let’s face it, as about as high as you can predict for anybody that far into the future – his trade value works out to roughly the same as Johnson’s due to his higher salary. With money being no object to the Yankees, that wouldn’t be a problem.
Thank you
I chose Johnson because the Marlins tend to make their guys available when they start to get more expensive. They wouldn’t pay Uggla the $11 or 12MM he wanted. Johnson’s salary at near $14MM may be too much for them.
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by Frank Campagnola on May 10, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
fyt
that’s me typing yes as fast as I can. Yanks are done by mid October without a compliment to CC.
by steelerwheeler on May 10, 2011 10:21 AM EDT reply actions
This is a great post. My only complaint is that we, being me because I’m part of the New York Yankees, SHULD TRAID 4 CLIFF LEE OR TEH FELIX!
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of course.
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by Frank Campagnola on May 10, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
is it just me or does it seem like every season there’s a new set of #‘s that predict, or say how much a player is worth or on field production, etc…. guess the math teachers around the country finally figured out a way to show us we need to “LEARN” math, algebra, etc… & not just “KNOW” what is on this week’s test…lol….
but on a serious note…i’d be alittle hesitant for coming from the NL to AL….that still matters right?
I don’t think it would matter with Josh Johnson.
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by Frank Campagnola on May 10, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
while advanced stats are useful, I don’t believe that any player can be narrowed down to a mathematical equation, especially someone like Gary Sanchez. How can he be worth $23M? He’s a kid in his second year of pro ball. I understand it’s all projections, but at the end of the day has anything really been said or is it just a bunch of hypothetical crap? I guess I just have a problem setting a mathematical value to an unproven, young player. Lets actually see him succeed before we assign a value to him for over the next 5 years
If you read the link that explained the chart, or any of Wang’s research, you would know.
Wang conducted all this research, analyzing prospects who were ranked in certain tiers of Baseball America’s top 100 rankings.
He concluded that hitters ranked in the top 10, based on how they played during their first 6 years, were worth $36.5MM. He then broke it down into further tiers, 11-25, 26-50, 51-75, and 76-100. A player ranked in one of those tiers has an average value.
Since Sanchez ranked number 30, and he is a hitter, the average value for that tier is $23.4MM
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by Frank Campagnola on May 10, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
And more imporantly, nobody’s trying to narrow a player down into a mathematical equation. We’re trying to measure the value that one player may provide and comparing it to another player’s value in hopes of making a reasonably fair trade. It’s not a perfect system, but developing something based on reasonable assumptions is much better than making blind guesses, right?
All we can do is speculate about anyone going forward. Josh Johnson might wreck his shoulder and never pitch again. Gary Sanchez might never reach AAA. Despite that, we have 100+ of baseball statistics for tens of thousands of players throughout both the majors and minors. We can use that information to make some reasonable generalizations about how prospects develop, how aces age, etc.
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
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by Frank Campagnola on May 10, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
oh so he's in that dollar value tier.
I guess that makes more sense if it’s supposed to be a generalization. I’m at work so I don’t have time to read a ton of articles (PSA articles are the perfect length).
For all we know, Gary Sanchez could develop into one of the best catchers in baseball history, and his first 6 years would be far more valuable than $23.4MM.
He could also never reach AAA, and never be worth a cent to the Yankees, or in this scenario, the Marlins.
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by Frank Campagnola on May 10, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
It matters a little
But Johnson is so good that he’s still be one of the top 5 pitchers in MLB regardless of which league he pitched in.
I'd rather have Johnson than any other major league pitcher.
by powerlifter610 on May 10, 2011 10:51 AM EDT reply actions
I’d rather have Felix, but to me, I think it seems more likely that Johnson would hit the market before Felix
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by Frank Campagnola on May 10, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Hard to say
The Marlins are contenders at this point. It’s early, but if they remain in the picture at the All-Star break there’s no way they’ll be looking to trade Johnson before the end of the season. It’s more likely the Yankees will be looking to trade for a solid number 2/3 type pitcher.
I bet it's good to be playing again, huh?
I never said Johnson was the most likely option, just one that I would seriously like.
And with the Braves and Phillies in that division, the Marlins will not be serious contenders by mid July.
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by Frank Campagnola on May 10, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Frank merely suggested that Marlins tend not to keep players around once their salary starts to climb upwards of $12 million per year. While the Marlins are contenders at this point, I find it difficult to believe that they’ll keep Johnson around through the end of his contract (just based off of how they’ve operated ever since clearing house after the 2003 world series).
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by Chris McKeown on May 10, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Very good post, Frankie
This I found very interesting, since I was unaware of the specifics of how they valuate prospects in general. As has been said many times, the future is a bit of a crapshoot. But you make a good point about using the available data to make reasonable approximations, in the interest of making fair deals.
I’m still a bit skeptical that the Yankees go after and get Johnson. They did make quite an aggressive attempt to get Cliff Lee last year, but he was also near free agency. And it seems like there is an unofficial “Yankees tax” – where other teams just seem to either rate our prospects lower, or expect us to overpay for any deal.
Much as I’d love to see Josh Johnson in pinstripes, I am not sure if Cashman can or will get this deal done.
He certainly could get this deal done if he really wanted to. The above proposal is just fair value for each side.
Additionally, the trade value above started at the beginning of 2011, and the Yankees obviously don’t have him right now. So this deal is even a bit more in favor of the Marlins, when considering the values. Maybe that takes care of the “Yankee tax.”
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by Frank Campagnola on May 10, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
If it were me, doing it unscientifically, I'd do 5.5, 5.0, and 4.5 WAR from 2012-2014
Even if you assume no “aging”, there’s a solid chance of missing time to injury. In general, I like to subtract half a win each year into the future, and be conservative in the initial forecast. There’s a decent possibility Johnson puts up 18 WAR over the next three years, but missing that mark is much more likely than surpassing it. You want to shoot for something in the middle, not the high end.
I know people like doing the half win drop per year, but that seems too significant of a drop for a 27 year old. I think maybe 5.5 per year would be more realistic, but as you said, there is a possibility of him being a 6 win pitcher per year.
Also, 2014 is irrelevant as his contract only runs through 2013.
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You go through The Sporting News for the last 100 years, and you will find two things are always true. You never have enough pitching, and nobody ever made money.
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by Frank Campagnola on May 10, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Except it's not, for pitchers.
I mean, we should demand evidence for that statement, but if you go find a group of pitchers with, say, 10-12 WAR in the previous two seasons entering their age 26-28 seasons, you won’t see them average 18 WAR the next three years. 18 WAR might be the most likely outcome (the mode, if you will), but the oddities on the low end are much harsher than the oddities on the high end are nice.
by Sky Kalkman on May 10, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Something else to consider. From the Marlins perspective, they would be pushing to receive the most out of their ace. To them, Johnson being a 6 win pitcher per year is probably not unreasonable.
They might value him that way, and if the Yankees were to trade for him, they would have to trade for the value the Marlins think they’re giving away.
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by Frank Campagnola on May 10, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
That Josh Johnson trade is one I'd make
and I’m sure the Yanks would make. But the Marlins are not doing that. WAR and net worth are cute and cuddly for creating poster presentations for the nerds in North Dakota and all, but the Marlins (or Marinols for the King Felix trade cretins) are not accepting a trade without Montero or Banuelos.
Our 2 best prospects and they’re going to accept a trade without them? Not happening. Especially considering the best prospect in the bunch, The Sanchize, is at least 3 or 4 years away.
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Solid points, Free.
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by Chris McKeown on May 10, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Teams keep their top prospects in trades all the time. The Phillies kept Domonic Brown in the Halladay trade, for example.
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by Frank Campagnola on May 10, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I would do that trade in a nanosecond.
Usually that means the other team wouldn’t be likely to, though. I would love to have Josh Johnson on the Yankees and I’d be willing to trade almost anyone not named Manny Banuelos for him (keeping Jesus would be a huge added bonus). If somehow the Marlins were willing to give him to us without either of those guys, Cashman would have to pull the trigger.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on May 10, 2011 12:46 PM EDT reply actions
No Brainer
IF we can get Josh Johnson a potential CY Young locked up for only 14 million a year.. Do it now Cashman. These prospects are not proven. Wow, this would make CC our two starter.
Just think the money per year we paid Javier V, Andy P and AJ Burnett.
After that trade then be brave Mr Cashman and trade Montero and Banuelos plus for King Felix.
Rotation: Josh Johnson, King Felix and CC our 3rd man.
That would be the move that puts the Pinstripes ahead of Phlly and Boston would be in a tough spot.
So what you're saying is...
…the Yankees need to add both Josh Johnson and King Felix to be a better team than Philly? Why don’t we just give up now, then?
One more strong pitcher to compliment CC should be enough to enable the Yankees to beat just about anyone in a seven game series.
Not to mention that would completely wipe out the farm.
We need one of those, you know…
It's like being a huge fan of winning, which we do, relentlessly.
by WhatwouldJeterdo on May 10, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Where else would we get our vegetables from?
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… Oh, you didn’t mean that kind of farm? My mistake.
To the asshat that hit me: thanks for the broken arm. ...Fucker.
Again, I dislike make trades for superstar caliber players like JJ or King Felix
But if they got JJ for that trade, I’d totally understand the reasoning behind it. Thanks to my job I get to see him pitch a lot, and he’s simply incredible.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on May 10, 2011 1:27 PM EDT reply actions
Great post- I just have one quibble. When you say a player is "worth" something, you have to ask "Worth it to whom?"
As it happens, the best illustration of this is the Yankees, since they have the three things that illustrate the point. Right now, Johnson is not ‘worth’ pursuit by the Dodgers, since they can’t make their present payroll. A team with nothing in the minors to trade would have to package young players already in the Majors- and you hate solving one problem by creating another. The third point, and this is the one everyone is looking at, is whether a team could use the talent they would be taking on. Everyone except maybe the Phillies needs another (or a first) ace.
It is not worthwhile for the Yankees to pursue a second baseman, a first baseman, a third baseman, etc no matter how good they are because they already have those for the long term.
Josh Johnson is highly worthwhile for the Yankees to pursue because another $13 million dollar contract does not effect their plans in the least. Giving Johnson a raise or an extension to a bigger number could also be easily absorbed. As argued above, the Yankees could trade two or three prospects and not bankrupt their minor league system.
Thus, for the Yankees, pursuing Josh Johnson (or King Felix) is worth it in a way that it would not be for many other clubs. From this perspective, it’s hard for the Yankees to lose if they do this.
by designatedquitter on May 10, 2011 1:34 PM EDT reply actions
This looks like math class, you must hate baseball and want to change it and ruin it.
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I bet he doesn't even enjoy the game.
It's like being a huge fan of winning, which we do, relentlessly.
by WhatwouldJeterdo on May 10, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve hated every minute of the 16 years I’ve spent watching and playing it. At this point, I think I just do it in spite.
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by Frank Campagnola on May 10, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t stand it. I hate using valuable research and logic to analyze the game I despise.
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by Frank Campagnola on May 10, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Any understanding of the game beyond “hit the ball and catch the ball” is ruining it for us real fans.
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Why do I even want Josh Johnson? He only won 11 games last year and has only won 15 once. He must not be a winner.
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by Frank Campagnola on May 10, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
You must have been blinded by something on your spreadsheets or your made up fancy number graph pictures.
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Damn Sky and Wang to hell for implanting these ideas into my head. I will forever be an outcast in the baseball community now.
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You go through The Sporting News for the last 100 years, and you will find two things are always true. You never have enough pitching, and nobody ever made money.
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by Frank Campagnola on May 10, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
hesitant to acquire pitchers from florida after you-know-who...
but Josh Johnson is an unmistakable talent that the Yankees should be willing to do almost anything to get. Plugging an ace pitcher in his prime into the Yank’s rotation would help get them through the next few years. Given that C.C. is no guarantee to stay, that makes it all the more urgent for the Yanks to pick up a top end of the rotation starter by the deadline. Next year’s rotation could look really, really good, with Sabathia, Johnson, Hughes, Burnett, and Nova. I believe that with that rotation, we will definitely be able to compete with Philly on the mound, and of course we’re still the Bronx Bombers on offense.
Don’t forget about Banuelos.
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by Frank Campagnola on May 10, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I would do that trade in a heartbeat. Johnson is more likely to be available than Felix because we all know how Loria likes to keep payroll down.
I saw a guy in the subway holding a pamphlet that said Jesus was coming on May 12, 2011. I don't think it will be that early, he would still qualify as a super two, so they need to wait until June to delay his arbitration clock.
I think Brackman has lowered his stock, therefore this deal would have no chance of happening.
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by TheRealSlimShady on May 11, 2011 12:06 AM EDT reply actions
Yes, what you think has everything to do with this deal and therefore all the research that has been done and his status as a top 100 prospect means nothing.
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by Frank Campagnola on May 11, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
That top 100 ranking was made before the year, and Brackman has looked AWFUL so far. It really seems like you frequent posters argue with some people ONLY because they haven’t been here a long time.
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by TheRealSlimShady on May 11, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
No. I would have said that to anyone. Brackman hasn’t looked good in a small sample of 31 innings. He also hasn’t been allowed to go passed 6 in most of his starts, meaning any runs he gave up during those limited innings helped to inflate his ERA.
If you check his game logs, he’s given up 5 runs once, 4 runs once, and the rest were 3 or less.
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by Frank Campagnola on May 12, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Just because he didn't offer the stats
doesn’t mean he’s not right. He has lowered his stock, if he ever had any. Only some Yankees fans ever thought he ever did. And his numbers prove this. You conveniently only mention ERA. He’s 2-2 with a 5.81 ERA. He’s walked 19 in 31 innings pitched and has a 5.5/9 ratio, more than 2 per worse than last year. His K rate is way down. And his 1.71 WHIP is the worst of his career. So regardless of how you wanna slice it, surely his stock is lower.
I bet it's good to be playing again, huh?
I’ll say this again. small sample size.
I’m not going to say his peripherals look pretty. But to make assumptions and use the “My opinion is right thereofre this will not happen” argument is stupid.
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by Frank Campagnola on May 12, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Were you ready to give up on Montero last May when his numbers were terrible? I sure hope not. You have to have patience with minor leaguers, especially those who have dealt with major surgery.
You’re so ready to bring up Banuelos or Betances, and Brackman is the one who is “most ready” to pitch at the ML level.
Its a small sample. Players’ stocks don’t plummet after 6 starts. They had stock originally for a reason. They’re talented.
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by Frank Campagnola on May 12, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Never thought much of Brackman
I’ve always thought of him as nothing more than a reliever, especially after the surgery. Brackman was never the prospect ManBan and Betances are and yes, I’d like to see them two get in some MLB experience sooner rather than later. As far as Montero, I’d like to see him bring us a top tier pitcher in a trade. Always felt this way.
I bet it's good to be playing again, huh?
And honestly, it probably seems that way to you because most new commenters don’t provide numbers or anything factual to back up what they say. Regulars know they need to back up their opinions.
All you said was:
I think Brackman has lowered his stock, therefore this deal would have no chance of happening.
You think, therefore this situation will not happen. That has no basis in an argument or debate.
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by Frank Campagnola on May 12, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Kidding, right?
Just goes to show – garbage in garbage out. Keep in mind some other facts, like the new ballpark the Marlins are building, which will relieve their need to dump players, and the fact that Johnson is actually underpaid based on his skills. So, first, they’re not trading him and second, they’re not trading him for that ridiculous package. A catcher who may never see AA, a 25 year old pitcher who can’t pitch well in AAA (Brackman), one sold prospect (Betances) and filler (Adams)? I bet if you offered Montero (who also may never be anything), Betances and Banuelos, it still wouldn’t get you Johnson.
You clearly didn’t read the entire post. I used other peoples research and even gave josh johnson more value than he probably has. Read through wants research and understand skys calculator before you criticize my writing.
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You go through The Sporting News for the last 100 years, and you will find two things are always true. You never have enough pitching, and nobody ever made money.
- Donald Fehr
by Frank Campagnola on May 22, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
*Wang’s
Contributing writer for Pinstripe Alley.
I believe in the Church of Baseball.
- Annie Savoy
You go through The Sporting News for the last 100 years, and you will find two things are always true. You never have enough pitching, and nobody ever made money.
- Donald Fehr
by Frank Campagnola on May 22, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
And btw, trading montero banuelos and betances would be in crazy favor of the marlins
Contributing writer for Pinstripe Alley.
I believe in the Church of Baseball.
- Annie Savoy
You go through The Sporting News for the last 100 years, and you will find two things are always true. You never have enough pitching, and nobody ever made money.
- Donald Fehr
by Frank Campagnola on May 22, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions

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