New York Yankees News Roundup: Soriano, Jesus and Martin
by Travis G on Apr 25, 2011 6:00 AM EDT
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Rafael Soriano's tight back screwed up Joe Girardi's whole bullpen usage yesterday, but he thinks he'll be available for tonight's contest against the White Sox.
- Top prospect Jesus Montero was hurt... in a very manly way, and may miss a few days.
- In addition to the 1919 World Series being thrown (by the White Sox), the previous year's Series may also have been thrown, by the Cubs to the Red Sox -
... "There were definitely some suspicious plays," [researcher Sean] Deveney said, and most of them involved outfielder Max Flack.
In the fourth game, Flack was picked off not once, but twice. Flack turned a catchable fly ball in the sixth and final game into an error that allowed two runs to score in the Red Sox's 2-1 win.
And there was the time Babe Ruth came to the plate for the Red Sox - a pitcher at the time, but emerging as one of the game's best hitters - and the Cubs' pitcher, Lefty Tyler, saw that Flack was not playing deep enough in right field.
"He waved him back and Flack just stood there," Deveney said. "Sure enough, Babe hit one over his head" for a triple that scored two runs.
If true, it would mean Chicago-based clubs took money in consecutive years to lose the World Series.
- A list of the highest paid athlete from each of 182 countries includes 12 from the world of baseball. The vast majority play soccer (114).
- The story of Russell Martin -
That tag - "lazy" - dogged Martin during his final seasons in L.A., and he acknowledges now that some unspecified off-field issues led to a drop in production, which in turn sapped him of his motivation.
"It just wasn't as much fun playing the game," he said. "And when you're not having fun playing, it all snowballs, and you have a hard time motivating yourself to get out there."
His hip injury - at first diagnosed, mistakenly, as a torn labrum, which could have been career-threatening - gave Martin the time and space to rethink his career trajectory and revive his inner drive.
- The percentage of black major leaguers has declined in recent years, from 19% in 1995 to 8.5% this season. Why do you think that is?
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less blacks in the sports are because of basketball and football.
those that excel at all three are choosing others. that and i think baseball as decline among the lower classes. i have no research to back this up.
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This was my initial thought too.
Doesn’t make a lot of sense for them, though, since salaries and career lengths are larger in baseball than in football, and roster size is larger than in basketball, so you have a much better chance of making it to the pros in baseball
I saw a guy in the subway holding a pamphlet that said Jesus was coming on May 12, 2011. I don't think it will be that early, he would still qualify as a super two, so they need to wait until June to delay his arbitration clock.
The pay off for Football and basketball seems more immediate
for Football, once you get drafted there is a very good chance you make the team if your a higher round pick and get a decent contract, same with basketball. While with Baseball even first rounders, unless your strasburg, have to stay in the minors for a few years and even then it’s no guarantee for a long term contract
Average career length in football is only about 2 years, and those guys have a lot of health problems afterwards. I wouldn’t let my kid play football.
I saw a guy in the subway holding a pamphlet that said Jesus was coming on May 12, 2011. I don't think it will be that early, he would still qualify as a super two, so they need to wait until June to delay his arbitration clock.
So if the Cubs threw the world series to the Red Sox in 1918
does that mean there was no Curse and we finally have proof that the team just sucked for 86 years?
Well played
"Nature never intended for you to survive here. But this fall, nature isn't the only thing to fear." September 10, 2011. Alabama vs. Penn State. White House.
by Chris McKeown on Apr 25, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll be praying for Jesus Montero's nuggets
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Only a shot to groin can slow Jesus up
He’s been raking so far this season.
by upstateNYYFan1984 on Apr 25, 2011 8:14 AM EDT reply actions
Corruption involving Chicago has historically always been the norm.
If the Cubs or White Sox had reached the Series in other years, they would have thrown those as well.
Decline of black players probably due to both popularity of basketball and lack of opportunity to play sandlot/ little league with accompanying coaching.
by designatedquitter on Apr 25, 2011 8:30 AM EDT reply actions
Good morning, PA!
The Cubs/RS stuff is interesting. Although, even though it seems like the Cubs OF allowed the runs, that doesn’t really excuse the rest of the team’s inability to score runs themselves. Sounds like a combo of The Curse of The Bambino + The Curse of The Cubs Mindfucking The Red Sox Into Thinking They Were Cursed. They still came out as long-running losers, so, you know, win/win for almost 100 years.
by luckiBelle on Apr 25, 2011 8:36 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
So one of the Sox Series wins was giving to them in ‘18, and in ’04’ ’07 they had teams full of steroid users. Awesome. So what does that really give them four non tarnished titles?
I don't know about 2007, because the mandatory drug-testing was in place, but definitely 2004.
by luckiBelle on Apr 25, 2011 8:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
did they still have Manny and Sloppy in 2007?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Yep, you know Manny was using
wouldnt be surprised about Ortiz either.Remember when Ortiz was caught for steroids and no one made a big deal about it.
I remember that both ARod's and Ortiz's use were "reported" on ESPN. What a glaring difference there was. ARod = It all makes sense, now!; Ortiz = This must all be some big misunderstanding. Asses.
by luckiBelle on Apr 25, 2011 9:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Slops even had the players rep holding his hand throughout the interview process
what a joke.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
shmeh, the champion Yankees of the late 90s and 2000 included Mike Stanton, David Justice, Chuck Knoblauch, and Roger Clemens (not to mention Andy, though I don’t think he took them then).
Unless you're a pitcher or Gustavo Molina, kindly SWING THE BAT and ignore the Binder's bunt signal.
I'm biased (duh),
but at that point, I don’t think the roids were so much improving Clemens’ performances, as much as they were just prolonging his career. He was always a dominant pitcher pre-roids, so I choose to believe he took them mainly to stay in the game longer than most pitchers that age could/should. Plus, I liked Clemens when he was on the Yanks, he stopped acting like RS scum and actually acted like a human being (save for the Piazza thing LOL). Same goes for JD, though he didn’t act like RSS as much as he looked like it. Manny was/is/will always be a psycho, I don’t know if that was aided by the roids or not, but what a fucking headcase he is. My Manny hate is pretty much tied with my Pedro hate. I love Andy, and that will never change.
by luckiBelle on Apr 25, 2011 9:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If you think Clemens "grew up" as a Yankee, I think you were taken in.
My read on him is that he’s always been a jerk, he just learned to cover it a bit better as he got older. His sportsgasm- causing ‘comeback’ made me ill when it happened- pure Clemens ego trip, nothing more. His steroid lawsuit with his former trainer and upcoming trial have done nothing to raise my opinion of him and his childish, egocentric antics.
by designatedquitter on Apr 25, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Andy testified that he took HGH twice, trying to recover from an injury. Based on his overall character, I believe him. I could see where that would be an attractive option in trying to get well ASAP.
Anyway, to my knowledge nobody has ever pegged him as using steroids. At all.
I believe him, too. Not only because of his overall character, but because he DID have an injury, a bad one, at the time he said he used HGH. Also, he came right out and admitted it, AND there was never a dramatic spike in his performances.
by luckiBelle on Apr 25, 2011 10:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
shmeh, the champion Yankees of the late 90s and 2000 included Mike Stanton, David Justice, Chuck Knoblauch, and Roger Clemens (not to mention Andy, though I don’t think he took them then).
No offense, but these guys weren’t the core of those teams. Knoblauch very noticeably hurt the team at times during the postseason and other than 1999, played at or below league average (OPS+ from 1998-2001 of 102, 118, 92, 82). Justice was a part-time player on the downside of his career, and was only with the Yankees 2000-2001. Clemens was important, but no more so than our other starters (Cone, Wells, Mussina, Pettitte, El Duque, etc.)… plus Clemens wasn’t around for 1998, and the Yankees did just fine without him. Stanton was a non-closer, short reliever, essentially a spare part.
(Interesting aside: All but Justice are from TX.)
Red Sox were fueled by Manny, Ortiz, plus a number of other steroid users. Manny and Ortiz were pretty clearly core players on those teams.
Actual quote from Ortiz
"I should use steroids just to see what’s going on," Ortiz joked to the Herald. "Nah. I have a good family. I want to see my kids learn and develop. I think I’m having an OK career. So, I take a lot of Advils, but I think I’m going to stop taking them. They say it (expletive) your liver."
Two cents worth ...
I think if you went down every roster on every team during that time you would have found users, not just the Yanks and RSs. It was a ‘plague’ for all of Baseball at all levels. There is a double standard though when Yankee players are involved. Then again, in the 50’s and onward it was ‘Greenies’ and ‘B12’ and Cortisone shots. At the time, people were probably wondering what magic was in all those hot dogs the Babe was consuming between innings.
The White Sox threw it, not the Reds
just a minor error, since they played the Reds.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Cubs threw the series in 1918 and wouldn’t be surprised to find out a lot of teams threw games back in the early days like that when it was easier to hide it and owners and players rarely got along (well, that part hasn’t changed). Nice find though, I’ve always been intrigued by the scandal.
* The percentage of black major leaguers has declined in recent years, from 19% in 1995 to 8.5% this season. Why do you think that is?
There are SO many wrong answers my inappropriate half-black ass could give to this!
"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"
by I'mGivingYouARaise on Apr 25, 2011 1:43 PM EDT reply actions
What bothers me about all of this is how the media act as if something needs to be done about it, like there is some conspiracy by “whitey” to keep them out. They just don’t play baseball they do other sports like football and basketball. You don’t see them playing hockey but there is no talk of it. My God, why does everything have to be a racial thing.
I bet it's good to be playing again, huh?
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