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Bob Costas Has Been Reading My Mind and Heart Lately


Costas was just on MLB Tonight, on the MLB Network, to discuss the fallout of the Barry Bonds ruling.  The words coming out of his mouth felt like he has been secretly listening into my inner-most thoughts.  I felt he was absolutely spot on.  Here's the transcript of what he said:

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Is there any real reasonable doubt that Barry Bonds used steroids, used them in copious quantities, and that a man as intelligent and aware as Barry Bonds, as meticulous about every aspect of his training and nutrition didn't know exactly what was being administered to him, exactly what was happening every step of the way?  What planet do you have to be on, forget about planet, what solar system do you have to live in, to believe anything other than that?

Having said that though, I think that people get off on the wrong track when they talk about criminality or morality about this issue.  I think it would have been excessive for Barry Bonds to go to jail.  I guess perhaps he faces that now, unless he wins on appeal, having been found guilty on the one count, but I think it's absurd for Barry Bonds to go to jail.

I think it's also absurd when people talk about morality.  Hundreds and hundreds of guys used steroids during that era.  Some of them are among the nicest guys, in many respects, that any of us will ever encounter.  And who could say, really?  Who could say with a straight face that Barry Bonds was a lesser human being than Ty Cobb?  That makes no sense. 

But what we can say is, on the question of authenticity, that's where we should focus.  Not on criminality or morality.  Authenticity.  And the authenticity of Barry Bonds' late career achievements is not to be respected.  73 is not an authentic number.  762 is not an authentic number.  Mark McGwire's numbers are not authentic.  Sammy Sosa's numbers are not authentic.  The authentic single season home run champion is Roger Maris.  The authentic career home run king is Hank Aaron.

You would have to believe that the Earth is flat to believe anything other than that.  People will come up with any rationale they want to come up with, spin it anyway they want, there are probably still some Barry Bonds apologists out there that will say, "You see?  This proves that he didn't do steroids, or he didn't do much."  Nonsense.  Just look at the numbers.  Barry Bonds was in the major leagues for many years before he started using steroids.  He was already an undisputed first ballot Hall of Famer, one of the very best players of all time.  And then, he went to a place that neither he, nor any other player who's ever lived, has ever been.  He wasn't just enhanced by steroid use, he was transformed.  His numbers took a quantum leap into a video game category.  Anybody who thinks otherwise is deranged.

Having heard what I just said, you may be surprised to hear me say this, but unlike some people, Tom Verducci for example, and I certainly respect Tom's knowledge and opinion, he's kind of an absolutist on this.  Tom says that if he has reason to believe that you ever used steroids, no matter your career achievements, he wouldn't vote for you, and I understand many voters feel the same way.  I think it's possible to separate some of these guys.  I would not vote for Sosa, I would not vote for McGwire, I would not vote for Palmiero, I might not even vote for Manny Ramirez.  But I believe that Barry Bonds, or Roger Clemens, had already established clear Hall of Fame credentials before there's any evidence that they began using steroids.  You could make a case that you could withhold  a vote for them the first year, the second year, kind of as a protest, but that ultimately you might vote for them for the Hall of Fame.  In a slightly different scenario, the same thing might be true of Alex Rodriguez

I could understand tempering justice with mercy in some of these cases.  There's no doubt that Barry Bonds, on his true natural merits, was one of the very best players who ever lived.  And there's also no doubt he, you know, went to another place through the use of steroids, and that place was not authentic.

Wow.  Excuse me while I grab a towel, because my brain just got f***ed by Bob Costas.  Truer words have never been spoken.  I just hope that in the coming years, more writers who have HoF votes begin to see things as Costas does.

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He’s kind of right about voting for Clemens, Bonds, and A-Rod. But writers can’t vote for them and not the other juicers, I don’t like that rationale. They’re all Hall of Famers. And people as closed-minded as Verducci who make their own judgments without really knowing things piss me off. He’s the reason Jeff Bagwell, Mike Piazza and other surefire Hall of Famers are going to have to wait.

Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?

by Andrew GM on Apr 13, 2011 9:30 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Never got the waiting process.

Why are you a HOF’er in your 5th year of eligibility and not your first? I get some people think it’s an honor to be inducted in on your first ballot, but I don’t get it.

Also it’s fairly easy. Steroids or no steroids if you’re a HOF’er you make it.

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by Jeterian 2 on Apr 13, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the point he’s making is that if a player is just a fringe HoF’er, but are implicated in PED use, they shouldn’t get in, or if there is evidence that an entire player’s career was PED influenced, like McGwire and Sosa, they shouldn’t get in regardless of their stats. Bonds and Clemens were both HoF’ers before they are thought to have begun using steroids, and Arod has continued to be a HoF caliber player since the strict testing has begun in 2004.

I saw a guy in the subway holding a pamphlet that said Jesus was coming on May 12, 2011. I don't think it will be that early, he would still qualify as a super two, so they need to wait until June to delay his arbitration clock.

by Wraithpk on Apr 13, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I'm closed minded

I hope none of them get in…ever.

I bet it's good to be playing again, huh?

by david d on Apr 14, 2011 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

loll this is completely irrelevant but the title of this post made me feel warm inside. Its fruity. lol.

WHEN YOU DESCRIBE the prototypical NBA center, he is not complete without superlative size, strength and athleticism. He’ll fight for the tough rebounds in the trenches, but is just as quick to burn you with a shot from 15 feet.

Johan Petro possesses all of these skills and more, and at a mere 23 years of age, he bears all the promise of fulfilling his vast potential.

by i says on Apr 13, 2011 11:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Nope

Don’t care, in my own little world you cheated which is just as bad as stealing so hall of fame my ass. But goddamn it was sure fun to watch while it lasted.

Sometimes you can just hear the gears shredding apart in Ricky's head. (Bubbles from the Trailer Park Boys).

by cashman bashman on Apr 13, 2011 11:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Gaylord Perry’s in the Hall. He cheated.

Did you know Joe Morgan thinks Cano will win a batting title one day?

by Andrew GM on Apr 13, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bob Costas: IN YOUR BRAIN!

To the asshat that hit me: thanks for the broken arm. ...Fucker.

by noonoo on Apr 14, 2011 1:39 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree with Bob also

I just wonder when these hypocrite writers take some responsibility too. I mean they glorified all the cheaters to sell papers, generate hits, just like the boys in Bristol and on Fox did for ratings. But when it hit the fan, the writers turned into judge, jury, and executioner.

Most of these players did it for the money, not the glory of the hall of fame. The same reason all the papers and tv networks glorified these guys, it was always about money, not the love of the game.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Apr 14, 2011 6:22 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

If you could take a pill that would make you better at your job and get you a much higher salary, would you do it? Especially if it wasn’t technically banned, and you knew there were a lot of your coworkers using it? I think we all would.

I saw a guy in the subway holding a pamphlet that said Jesus was coming on May 12, 2011. I don't think it will be that early, he would still qualify as a super two, so they need to wait until June to delay his arbitration clock.

by Wraithpk on Apr 14, 2011 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hate to pull lawyer crap on you, BUT:

The trial was not about whether Bonds used steroids. That was conceded to be true. The trial was about whether Bonds lied to Congress about using steroids. His defense was that he didn’t know that the cream and the clear were steroids. He “thought” it was flaxseed oil shrinking his testicles and giving him backne.

I understand that only one juror was holding out against convicting him on the three counts of perjury. I guess in California brilliant defense lawyering amounts to relying on the fact that in any group of 12 people too stupid to get out of jury dury, at least one will also believe in santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, OJ, and Bonds.

by designatedquitter on Apr 14, 2011 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

sorry, no

The trial was about perjury to a grand jury, not congress.

And there was one, not three, 11-1 votes to convict on perjury.

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"I stick to my strengths as opposed to going after everyone’s weaknesses. If you can hit it, come hit it."- Tim Lincecum

by natteringnabob on Apr 15, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

But I believe that Barry Bonds, or Roger Clemens, had already established clear Hall of Fame credentials before there's any evidence that they began using steroids

NOW this is coming from someone who believes anyone wtih the numbers should get in regardless of proof, accusations, an inkling, talk of, maybe, perhaps, etc of PED use but here is my question Bob Costas/world….who is to say Barry Bonds (really anyone, but for the sake of this argument him) hadn’t been taking something since 1987?

by MichaelGGBGrabow on Apr 14, 2011 10:07 AM EDT reply actions  

and the main reason I feel the way I described above is that there is no way to say

whether EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY PLAYER in MLB was guilty of this at one point or another. There just isn’t.

by MichaelGGBGrabow on Apr 14, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Looking at past players they took testosterone, LSD, Amphetamines…basically anything they could to get an advantage and many of those players are in the Hall…Yet b/c the advantages given by those stuff is less than roids…does it change the player’s intentn which is to get an edge…And had they known about the affects of roids…you really don;t think those players, some of which are HoFers, wouldn’t have used?

by lololol on Apr 14, 2011 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Greenies are definitely performance enhancing

They increase alertness, concentration, and increase energy and reaction time. That’s why baseball players have taken them since the 1940s. Many Hall of Famers—such as Costas’s “authentic” HR king, Hank Aaron—took Amphetamines. So it’s hard to evaluate a lot of players based on their “true merits.”

It should also be noted that a lot of bad ballplayers took steroids and still were scrubs.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Apr 14, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

People from the past are authentic, because older generations have better morals. Because I said so. Because get off my lawn.

by Lord Duggan on Apr 14, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You kids today!

{78 year-old Bob Costas shaking his fist with one hand on his walker}

Because repression of women, gay people, non-white people, Catholics, among others, is proof of how much better morality was in the past.

T O' NY

by T of NY on Apr 15, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

you, Lord Duggan

obviously do not care about the children. Or our hallowed dreams of yesteryear. For shame.

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"I stick to my strengths as opposed to going after everyone’s weaknesses. If you can hit it, come hit it."- Tim Lincecum

by natteringnabob on Apr 15, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, because the “yesterday” that guys like Costas refer to never happened.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
@jscape2000

by jscape2000 on Apr 16, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder

if players today take Ritalin instead of amphetamines?

by phonty on Apr 15, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

The difference between steroids and the stuff taken in previous decades reminds me a Montgomery Burns rant.

Comparing himself favorably to Oskar Schindler:

We were both war profiteers who sold munitions to the nazis. The only difference is, mine worked!

by designatedquitter on Apr 14, 2011 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I watched with fascination...

as Bob Costas engaged in a stunning rant. I suppose some people get more invested than is healthy. I thought he was going to bust a blood vessel, frankly.

Most of us accept that many of the players in the ‘90s and ’00s cheated to either continue playing and/or improve their performance. I don’t exactly equate this with the decision to hold non-white players out of the major leagues for as long as MLB did, but there can be no denying that the moral imperative part of the PED discussion is very similar.

If I understand Costas’ argument correctly, he believes that PEDs allowed players to do achieve in a way statistically signficant as to be an aberration. His argument is that when players used bennies and other illegal stimulants, they only did it to allow them to get out on the field to play a day game after a night game, etc. The problem with his argument is we don’t know what the extent of use penetration was of bennies, et al. and PEDs. What if 95% of ball players in the “bennies” era used? What if only 75 – 80% of players were using in the PED era? There is no way for him to know what the percentages were and how the potential differences in usage may have affected the records.

Would Bonds have become a 60 home run hitter per season after 35 years of age without PEDs? We don’t know. However, under Costas’ argument, if Bonds were using bennies to get out on the field and play at the same level of energy, it would have been okay. I don’t see the clarity of one form of cheating is better than another. The HOF vote is already a tremendously subjective and, therefore, imperfect and inexact process, at best. Jim Rice is in but Albert Belle is not? The blind devotion to some idealized (idolized?) vision/version of baseball is really overdone, at this point. When a person like Ty Cobb is still given a place of honor, any respect is forfeited.

People have cheated in baseball for as long as it has been an organized sport. Players were treated like cattle until the brave stand taken by Curt Flood to challenge the reserve clause. Unfair advantages and willful denial of entry to the sport have also been an integral part of the sport. For the geeked up fans who want to hold the sport and its history up as some sort of holy grail, get a life.

"First take the plank out of your own eye", [insert generic spiritual entity here] insists, "then you might be able to do something to help your neighbour with his sawdust-speck."

On a totally different note, I LOVE the Avis commercials! "Allie Baker! [clap, clap, clap, clap, clap] Michael Joyner! [clap, clap, clap, clap, clap]

T O' NY

by T of NY on Apr 14, 2011 6:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I have said for years

We should enshrine players for greatness on the field. And if the guy was convicted of steroid use, it should say it on his plaque. Ban him from baseball if you want (and write that on the plaque too), never let him set foot in the Hall of Fame, maybe wait until he’s dead. But Joe Jackson, Pete Rose, Barry Bonds all belong in the Hall of Fame.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
@jscape2000

by jscape2000 on Apr 15, 2011 9:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Personally, I think there should be a giant asterisk next to the entire era. Just like pitching numbers were inflated in the dead-ball era, hitting numbers were inflated in the steroid era. We obviously can’t erase the numbers that were recorded during those years, but those of us who feel they aren’t authentic should qualify them. Meaning, Bonds is the steroid era single season and career home run king, but Maris and Aaron are still the non-steroid era kings. We often talk about pitching records in terms of the “modern era,” meaning after the dead-ball era. I think someday, we will do the same for these hitting records.

I saw a guy in the subway holding a pamphlet that said Jesus was coming on May 12, 2011. I don't think it will be that early, he would still qualify as a super two, so they need to wait until June to delay his arbitration clock.

by Wraithpk on Apr 15, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't remember them changing the name from Hall of Fame to Hall of Pure Records

All these knuckleheads should get voted in and be given the appropriate description of their misdeeds in their bios.

by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Apr 15, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you've gotten it right.

In fact, I would go so far as to get rid of the morality aspect altogether. The problem, of course, is that all the jock-licking sports reporters who are either wanna-be ballers or starry-eyed hero worshippers feel the need to inject themselves into the process and make the Hall of Fame about themselves, instead of the players. Why does it take one hall of famer one year and another 14 years to get into the hall? Eligibility should be considered once seven years after retirement and once by a veteran committee after an additional eight years. If you don’t get in, you’re not deserving. Repeated consideration and the opportunity to politic is antithetical to a Hall of Fame. It is an honor that should be reserved for the best of the best. If a case has to be built for a player, he doesn’t deserve to be called a Hall of Famer.

T O' NY

by T of NY on Apr 15, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

But without the attention drawn by the annual politicking, would people remember to visit the Museum?

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
@jscape2000

by jscape2000 on Apr 16, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Costas

is a bad as Joe Buck and A Cardeinls fan which makes him the devail in my eyes

okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider

by j-man on Apr 15, 2011 10:50 PM EDT reply actions  

He’s not that bad. I’d actually pick him to do our color commentary on YES over anyone except Al Leiter.

by Scooby Snacks on Apr 16, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

he is

a pusit he wants to get rid of the DH W C make Baseball like the 60’S he has a Agenta and he is like that really smart kid in school that annoyed u to death

okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider

by j-man on Apr 16, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Barry Bonds

The biggest problem that I have with Barry Bonds is that he continues to deny that he knew he was taking steroids. Unlike Arod or Jason Giambi who confessed. I can forgive Arod and Giambi because they came clean but guys like Bonds, Mcguire, and Sosa I can’t because they continue to lie. I respect Bob Costas opinion but I think that this issue has to be resolved about these players before they have access into the Hall of Fame. It matters how you get there! It’s not fair to the other players who are already in and the players who didn’t make it in.

by One smart cookie on Apr 19, 2011 1:22 AM EDT reply actions  

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