Future of the Yankees Rotation
by Meatface on Feb 5, 2011 2:22 AM EST
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PrintWell Friday 2/4/2011 is the day that Andy Pettitte officially announced his retirement and as much as I hoped he would come back I had a strong feeling he would retire this year. With the Yankees losing out on Cliff Lee and every other remotely desirable Free Agent Starter we have to wonder who will man the Yankees Rotation not just this year but for the next few years. If the Yankees had given Lee the rumored 7 year deal then he would have been pitching on the team until 2017 and he was 39. Right now the Yankees Rotation looks like:
Sabathia LHP, AJ Burnett RHP, Phil Hughes RHP, Ivan Nova RHP and one of the all RHP Sergio Mitre, Bartolo Colon, Mark Prior, Freddy Garcia and possible Andrew Brackman. Overall not something we hoped for especially with the Left handed heavy Sox. The Yankees will more than likely make a move for a 4th Starter who is hopefully a lefty and the Yankees have to hope that Burnett is better, Nova is a least decent and Hughes has a year like last year, the only player who I don't have any concerns about is Sabathia and he will continue to be a workhorse for the Yankees. The Yankees could try for a deal with any number of pitchers but they wont be King Felix, Josh Johnston, Johan Santana or anyone from the Red Sox or Phillies not named Joe Blanton. Unfortunately for the Yankees there are a lot of teams looking for starting pitching and the Yankees won't want to take any pitchers with long term deals due to some very good pitching prospects who are getting very close to being MLB ready. There is a good article about possible pitchers for the Yankees staff and the two I think are the most likely are Paul Maholm from the pirates who would likely take a scattered assortment of crap prospects for the 30 year old lefty, the other possibility is Edwin Jackson who could be trade bait for some decent relievers especially if the White Sox struggle.
The 2012 rotation could still feature 4 of the 5 starters from the 2011 rotation, but the Yankees rotation could see the addition of Japanese ace Yu Darvish who has said that he will post himself in 2012 and at 26 is considered to be the best Starting pitcher in Japan right now. I seriously doubt anyone would outbid the Yankees for Darvish if the Yankees want him and unless they find gold in both a trade and Nova they will want him. The dominant RHP would turn the Yankees rotation around and leave the 5th starting job for Nova or one of the Yankees other top Pitching prospects. This is of course hoping that Sabathia won't opt out which i don't expect him to.
In 2013 the Yankees will enter a slight conundrum as AJ Burnett will enter the last year of his contract and i'm willing to bet that the all of the Killer B's will be at or near MLB ready, however unless he is extended David Price will also be entering the last year of his contract with Tampa and the rays may look to move him for prospects. The Yankees could trade for the Lefty who will be 28 but the Rays may ask for more than the Yankees will be willing to give, especially within the division. If the Yankees did trade for Price they could either trade Burnett or move him down in the rotation. A likely package for Price could be Brackman, Nova and another top prospect. The Yankees could also sign Price in the off-season but they might not want to fork over the draft pick especially if the Killer B's develop the way they want them to.
2014 has a number of possible Yankees rotations including:
Sabathia, Price, Darvish, Hughes, Banuelos/Betances or
Sabathia, Darvish, Hughes, Brackman, Banuelos/ Betances or
Sabathia, Hughes, Brackman, Banuelos, Betances/Nova or any other combination of back end pitchers
The future looks bright for the Yankees rotation but still we ended the 2010 season thinking we would have a rotation of:
Sabathia, Lee, Hughes, Pettitte and Burnett and instead we are looking at Sanbathia, Hughes, Burnett, Nova, Colon/Garcia/Prior/Mitre. The one good thing is that the current rotation will change as the season progresses and possibly before opening day. The worst part is that the offense could be awesome this year, but we will need a rotation to back it up.
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I'm not liking a trade for Price.
Brackman, Nova, and another? I doubt the Rays do this. It won’t happen.
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I’d get only if its via free agency.
Otherwise I’m good with the rotation as is. The top 3 needs to pitch better, but overall I think all 3 of them are very capable of being rocks in the rotation. We know what CC is. Hughes I think will get better and AJ I don’t think is the 2010 version, he’s better than that.
As for the other 2 spots, I’d love to be surprised and see someone like Brackman or Betences get in there at some point. But i think the Yanks are going to try and go with Colon and Garcia at those spots.
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Bartolo Colon will never be a new york yankee
Garcia on the other hand may be an efficient enough stopgap
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Do not trade for Price
that guy is gonna cost WAY more than Brackman and Nova to get. I’d only get him if he’s a free agent. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to have him as a Yankee. But getting him in a trade would be worth far to much in terms of the price of prospects and the Yankees shouldn’t do that (no pun intended).
Yu Darvish I could see signing, but I’d be a little tentative about that. I don’t like signing Japanese pitchers much. I love hitters from there (Matsui and Ichiro turned out great) but pitchers is different. Igawa was a bust and Dice-K is looking like a bust as well, sans one good 2008. Depends on the price to get him.
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Price is like 4 years away from free agency...
i think Cole Hamels is a FA after the 2012 season though
but yeah i doubt the Yankees trade for any significant piece without giving up a coouple of the killer B’s or Montero
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I'd give all 3 killer B's for Price
No hesitation.
He’s developed into a front of the rotation lefty. Even if you think the killer B’s will become as good as Hughes Joba and IPK (and I do not) the trade would be a good one.
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Uhh yeah
The Yankees will be lucky if ONE turns into a starter. Betances and Brackman are lottery tickets.
if the B's turn out to be as good as hughes, Joba and Kennedy
then we are in trouble. the B’s are a much stronger package
No
Brackman at least has struggles in the minors. Hughes was as higly thought of at the same age as ManBan. Joba and Kennedy looked better just before arriving in the majors than Brackman and Bettances.
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darvish would be very interesting to see in pinstripes, but do you really think cashman will bid the ridiculous amount to talk to him and then spend the large amount to sign him after the igawa debacle?
i definitely wouldn’t mind having him, he’s supposed to be amazing
but then again so was dice-k
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by BombersGmenBlueshirts25 on Feb 5, 2011 6:30 PM EST reply actions
No
We didn’t bid enough to get Chapman this year. I doubt we’ll dump huge bucks into Darvish. Call it Post tramatic Igawa shock.
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by YunelTheLazyLatino on Feb 6, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
Igawa's a dumb reason not to bid on Darvish
You can’t write off an entire country because of one disaster. Igawa wasn’t even that great in Japan. Darvish is a 24 year old who puts up ERA’s under 2 every year.
The toughest thing with Japanese pitchers is the durability factor. They pitch the same number of innings there, but they do it on 6 days rest, only making 22 or 23 starts a year. Still though, the key is to chase pitchers like Darvish who can get hitters out in the strike zone as opposed to Igawa who relied on inferior hitters swinging at junk that major league hitters just won’t chase.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Feb 5, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He also has been more heavily scouted than Dice-K and Igawa combined.
by Scooby Snacks on Feb 6, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
I think we will. The difference is that we need a starter, and Yu Darvish has been far better than Igawa or Matzuzaka ever were. And let’s be honest, Matzuzaka has performed pretty well, he just hasn’t been the ace they thought he would be, and he hasn’t stayed healthy. Darvish, I believe, will better acclimate to pitching every fifth day because he has a bigger build than Matzuzaka.
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I would strongly consider Darvish if I were the Yanks. As for all our young pitchers, as a general rule of thumb I would count on maybe one of the Killer Bs making it (my bet is on ManBan.
I could see our 2014 rotation being Sabathia, Darvish, Hughes, Banuelos, and an unknown FA to be named later.
If CC holds up well, Hughes masters his changeup, Darvish pitches at or slightly above Dice-K’s American performance, and Banuelos approaches hihs ceiling, that is a pretty damn good rotation.
Alot of ifs though, as to be expected.
by Ghost_of_Brien_Taylor on Feb 14, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
There is no way in Hell
The Rays would trade Price to a divisional rival, especially not the Yankees
There's always next year
But would they stoop to a "No Trade-y to the Yankees" clause like the Beantowners?
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Feb 6, 2011 1:55 AM EST up reply actions
I think you are off by a year with David Price, he won’t be a free agent until after the 2014 season.
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actually according to rotoworld
his contract will be up in 2013, but he will be arbitration eligible until 2016 so trade is even more unlikely
What about Zoidberg?
Let's stop with the fantasy land
Price hasn’t even hit his arb years. Not to mention that the Rays can easily extend him on a team friendly contract when he starts hitting those years.
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2011 rotation posts
always start with CC, assume Hughes will be as good or better than 2010, and hope AJ figures something out. I agree we really have no other choice when discussing the rotation, but, Imagine if CC went down for a significant part of the season and/or Hughes struggles and looses confidence. Not a pretty site.
1. AJ, 4.6
2. Garcia, 5.0
3. Hughes, 5.5
4. Nova, 4.6 and < 180 IP
5. Mitre, 5.0
That is a nightmare. Yanks have great players all over the place, I would argue they are all replaceable with a serviceable backuop except CC. Losing CC would be the kiss of death.
If CC went down for any substantial length of time, our season would pretty much be over unless Hughes turns into an ace and Burnett regains his #2 form. CC has been remarkably durable over his career, though, so I would be surprised if that happened.
Russell Martin is just like the Jewish Pharisees, trying to keep Jesus down.
so Hughes magically forgets how to pitch
and become worse than every starter on the Yankee staff…right.
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by Frank Campagnola on Feb 14, 2011 3:28 AM EST up reply actions
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