New York Yankees News and Notes
by 3460kuri on Dec 9, 2011 6:00 AM EST
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PrintWith all the free agency splashing this week, the news of Brian Cashman's willingness to eat some of AJ Burnett's salary in a trade has gone relatively under the radar. The Yankee Analysts hits the nail pretty squarely on the head about Burnett's tenure in New York, and wonders if this is really a sign of things to come:
By outing themselves for their lack of support, the Yankees have effectively killed any chances they had of getting something positive from A.J. over the next 2 years. After making these offers, there’s no way the Yankees can bring him back and expect anything from him. He’s a wasted roster spot. And the $33 million they still owe him has now gone from being an opportunity cost to essentially a sunk cost for the Yankees. The majority of the contract is a sunk cost already, so if it’s about money you’re really just putting a lipstick on a pig at this point.
The Yankees typically haven't been a team that eats a ton of salary in trades, or simply cuts bait on players with multiple years remaining, but Burnett probably stands the best chance of being the first player to buck that trend. Expecting anything other than 2010-11 results from him going forward is just fantasy, and with all the baggage he brings to the table, I say it's time to move on.
- It's About The Money reports that the Yankees aren't optimistic about signing Hiroyuki Nakajima. If that's the case, then my question is, why bother throwing a lowball bid at him in the first place? Nakajima is unknown here, but he's actually a pretty good player in Japan, and if they don't think he'd sign as a utility player, what's the point?
- Brian Cashman has what might be the quote of the year:
(Pujols is) a special player. I don't know him personally, but I see what he does with that bat. It's Montero-like.
- In some minor roster moves, the Yankees released Greg Golson and picked up a couple of young arms in the Rule V draft.
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AJ
Dump that piece of shit now before he stinks up another season! Let one of the young arms have a shot can’t do worse than AJ!
You have something against Cubs fans?
Two headcases on one team? Add Greinke to that mix and I don’t know what would happen.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
They could also do better.
I mean, it would be pretty tough to do worse than a 5 ERA/FIP. Plus, you might catch lightning in a bottle and have one of them become the next Nova.
I'm not a big believer in this whole emotional side
WAH TEAM DID NOT WANT ME WAH
This is a job. Burnett isn’t a rookie. He and $man sit down and Brian says “Just business, we’re looking at trades, we don’t hate you.” AJ in turn says “Yea, don’t worry about it, I’ll go and do my job to the best of my abilities.”
They move on with life. If AJ stinks this year, it isn’t because he’s an unwanted, hated man, it’s because he’s AJ Burnett and just not very good, not because he’s a pouter who thinks he’s been disrespected. I think this of all athletes, btw, until they prove me wrong by whining about it.
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uh, thank you. I don't buy this bs for one second
like he’s going to be smirking a muttering “shouldn’t have tried to trade me” while walking off the mound after giving up four in the 3rd after not trying all that hard. come on.
by MichaelGGBGrabow on Dec 9, 2011 8:17 AM EST up reply actions
Also i doubt AJ is so dense that he didn't see this coming
Come on,if you suck for two years and don’t expect a team to try and move you…then there’s a problem.
I just want to know
Are they allowed to trade the negotiating rights to another team? Maybe they can turn Nakajima into a pitcher.
I know that Cashman
was being facetious, but for the idea of Montero hitting like Pujols over a career, " From his mouth to God’s ear"
"I don't want one of those guys who'll drive in two but let in three every game." Casey Stengel
by tnredneckyankeesfan on Dec 9, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Yankees make 1-year $12 mil offer to Hiroki Kuroda
I’d be ok with this in and of itself, but not as an alternative to still looking for someone better. Because of the inexplicable Garcia re-signing, if we signed Kuroda we’d have to move Burnett in order to fit another starter into the rotation. And that’s with Hughes already out.
Kuroda’s fine though, his numbers away from Dodger Stadium are the same as his home numbers. He’d be a solid 3 or 4 in the AL East though what we really need obviously is a 2.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Dec 9, 2011 9:19 AM EST reply actions
IATMS reported the same offer
http://networkedblogs.com/riNYt
"I don't want one of those guys who'll drive in two but let in three every game." Casey Stengel
by tnredneckyankeesfan on Dec 9, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
And that’s with Hughes already out.
??
CC, Nova, AJ, Hughes, Garcia, Kuroda
by MichaelGGBGrabow on Dec 9, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
I don't understand why Garcia was resigned so quickly
If they wanted him, they probably could have waited until after the Winter Meetings or at least until another team actually showed interest. There weren’t any teams lining up bidding for friggin Freddy Garcia, but the Yankees give him a deal and guarantee him a spot in the rotation before anything plays out.
Now, either they start with the same rotation as last year or they sign someone and Hughes gets Joba’d to the bullpen. I’m not in love with either of those options.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
The Yankees run AJ Burnett out there 30+ times in 2012. Bank on it.
by designatedquitter on Dec 9, 2011 11:15 AM EST reply actions
This will happen
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
Injury, trade or ineffectiveness?
Or a combination of the three?
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
I still think there is going to be a team that wants AJ
if Bruce Chen is getting a 2 yr. / $9m deal. The Yankees will have to eat at least half of AJ’s remaining salary.
I wouldn't count on it
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
I call BS on the AJ stuff
I do believe that the mental aspect of the game is important, and it seems like that’s not AJ’s strong point. But the guy has gone out every 5th day and pitched. And he actually put up two decent starts in the post-season the last two years, despite being pretty much counted out by the entire organization, fan base and media. If he was going to fold, the post-season would’ve been the time to fold. I don’t think we can reasonably expect much better than 2010-2011 from him, but I would be surprised if he completely melts down just because there are trade rumors.
by long time listener on Dec 9, 2011 11:37 AM EST reply actions
And why was out there every fifth day, eating up innings?
Becasus AJ is competitive. He wants to win.
If the yankees really want to move the man, they’ll package him with one or two prospects and trade him for someone else’s headache and grade C prospect.
You never know what your history is going to be like until long after you're gone.
I don't see the point of a trade like that
Unless the prospects we give up are the equal of what we get back, it doesn’t make sense to dump AJ and lose one or two prospects who might contribute. AJ’s not so bad that we have to get rid of him at all costs, and if he were, they should probably just cut him.
by long time listener on Dec 9, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Cutting him would be the last resort. I’d try him in the pen first where he might actually be good by throwing strictly gas.
by Scooby Snacks on Dec 9, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
No fucking way
A man who doesn’t pitch at all? Colour me unimpressed.
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by Hasan Paliwala on Dec 9, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Thats BS
AJ was a key piece of the rotation on the way to a championship. No matter what he did the last two years or how you feel about the man, 2009 was a good year, he pitched well in some huge games and was nothing but brilliant in the biggest game of the entire Yankees season. That can’t be taken away from him.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
Key indeed
If your 2009 key is a No. 2 starter with 4.04 ERA and 13-9 record your victory is undeserved. The Key was fantastic pen which saved a weak rotation and unstoppable offense. His WS G2 Start was great no doubt but G5 more than balanced the scale. Or was it ALCS G2 where he matched Saunders ad the pen outlasted Anaheim? Or G5 where he allowed 4 in the first, gave us all a heartattack, recovered and was bailed out again.
Carl $30M for 9 wins over 3 seasons 3.3M per W
AJ (so far) $50M for 34 wins over 3 season 1.5M per W
Say AJ runs out his contract in NY, not only taking up a spot (which Carl didn’t do), he’ll end up costing the same per win I bet.
Better to pay a guy not to pitch than to pitch poorly be untradable, unbeanchable and since it’s NY uncutlooseable.
"A" key
Not “The” key. The team was “the” key. It’s a team sport, and a lot of guys contributed.
And I know he wasn’t good in Game 5. But in Game 2, he won as close to a must win game as you can have. I’m not convinced the Yankees can win that series if they go into Philly down 0-2. That was a huge game and they had to win, and he came up big.
He was a big piece of the rotation in 2009 and he helped them win a championship. That is a fact, and that is something Pavano never did. And that fact alone makes AJ’s deal far better than Pavano’s ever was.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
Pavano: 145.2 IP over 4 years. Burnett: 583.3 IP in the first 3 years of his deal
End of story.
by MichaelGGBGrabow on Dec 9, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
You all eat it when...
NYY trades AJ (god willing) and are paying him +8M/yr to not pitch.
No one bit so I’m guessing to unload him would take $10M/yr and another guy or two. Add the other guy’s potential contibutions to NYY to the cost of AJ and his will be far worse than Pavano.
Create a fanpost when this fairytale comes to fruition and then we'll talk.
by MichaelGGBGrabow on Dec 9, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
what you're smoking
can i has it
"Don't you think it's strange that you'll make more money than President Hoover this year?"
"Why not? I had a better year than he did." - G.H. Ruth
The man isn't a child
He’s a competitor, he takes the ball every fifth day and gives it his all. Whatever your feelings are about AJ, to say that he’s not going to try and pitch to the best of his abilities and prove he can still provide worth isn’t fair.
I believe he will have a good season next year, and I know that isn’t a sentiment shared by most. I’m tired of arguing about that. But I’d be shocked if anybody realistically believes that he’s the type of person who’s going to let some trade rumors (and thats all they are, because he’s going nowhere) make him likely to melt down while he’s pitching.
Whether he pitches well next year or struggles again, I’d be shocked if he’s not out there competing and giving it his all every time out. This isn’t Kevin Brown or Carlos Zambrano, both of whom have quit on their teams. AJ’s takes the mound every fifth day and competes, and good or bad he’s at his locker after every single start, completely accountable for himself. I don’t think that can be easy after 2 straight seasons of a 5 ERA and being crucified by pretty much everyone. I think he’s a way more mentally tough than he’s given credit for.
I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.- Kobe Bryant
A.J. Burnett's only fan!
He'll also only be 37 at the start of the 2014 season
So assuming he wants to continue to pitch, he’d be doing himself a major disservice by not doing the very best he can if for nothing else, his upcoming free agency.
This is so stupid, “The Yankee Analysts” need to be slapped in the face.
by MichaelGGBGrabow on Dec 9, 2011 2:47 PM EST reply actions
Love the quote
If Cashman is saying something like that about Montero, then that means he can’t possibly trade him, right?
by Benny Blanco from the BriX on Dec 9, 2011 3:25 PM EST reply actions
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