Pinstripe Alley Roundtable Discussion: Yoenis Cespedes, The Rotation, And More
As the Winter Meetings began, 3460Kuri, Travis G., and I (Brandon C.) decided to discuss many different topics about the off-season. The roundtable discussion will be a two part series, with the second part coming tomorrow.
Q: Would you be aggressive in pursuing Yoenis Cespedes?
3460Kuri: Personally, I'd probably stay away. Cespedes has obviously crushed Cuban baseball, but the limited information we have from the handful of Cuban refugees who have made the jump to them majors suggests that the quality of play there is similar to A ball in America. Looking at it that way, a 26 year old that's crushing A-ball, he's a little less impressive. If the Yankees were able to sign him for about what the Reds signed Aroldis Chapman, I wouldn't hate it, but I wouldn't be heartbroken if they took a pass altogether either.
Travis G: Somewhat. The gist of what I know much about him is from that one youtube video. I'll have to trust the scouts and front office. If they go hard after him, I have to believe they think he can be a star. He appears to be a tremendous athlete, but I don't see him being defensively superior to Grandy or Gardy, so if the Yanks signed him, it would be with the goal of taking over right field after Nick Swisher's contract expires next year.
Brandon C: As I said here, I much prefer Jorge Soler. For the price Cespedes will demand, the Yankees are better off spending their money elsewhere.
Q: What will the rotation look like next year?
3460Kuri: My guess is that 80-90% of next year's rotation is already with the team in some way shape or form. As the offseason rolls on and most of the big names sign, I expect the Yankees to take a flier on a couple of low-risk guys, similar to what they did with Freddy Garcia and Bartolo Colon in 2011, but that's about it. I would be utterly shocked if Yu Darvish, CJ Wilson, or Mark Buerhle is in pinstripes next season.
Travis G: I'm hoping/thinking it includes a certain Japanese-Iranian righty (who I do believe will be posted). So after CC and Yu, expect to see Nova, Burnett* and then, quite possibly, Garcia, with Hughes in the bullpen (where he's excelled way more than Joba did, relatively speaking).
Brandon C: I honestly believe the Yankees will end up with Yu Darvish, trade for a pitcher that has not been rumored yet, or stand pat. Most likely just stand pat.
Follow for more after the jump.
Q: Where do you see Phil Hughes/Hector Noesi/Freddy Garcia next season?3460Kuri: I think Garcia will be in the rotation until he pitches poorly enough to be DFA'd. No bullpen work for him. Hughes will start out in the rotation but if he's struggling by the All-Star break, I suspsect they'll move him to the bullpen for good. My guess is that Noesi will enter 2012 as the 6th or 7th starter and will probably make the team as the long man out of the bullpen.
Travis G: I could easily see Hughes in the bullpen. Noesi should essentially be the long reliever/6th starter. He could be as good as Ivan Nova if given a chance, but unfortunately I don't see that happening anytime soon in the Bronx. Garcia surprised everyone with the club's second best ERA (3.62) among starters in '11, and if management doesn't feel confident enough in Noesi, Phelps or Warren to handle a spot, it'll go to Freddy the veteran.
Brandon C: I also think Freddy Garcia will not last the season in the rotation. Not sure if he ends up in the pen or DFA'd. I think Hughes actually has a solid season. Noesi will have an Aceves type role.
Q: If a young, frontline starter was available, would you move Montero as part of a package for him?
3460Kuri: Absolutely. I love Montero's bat, but I've always felt like the Yankees don't like him as a catcher, which creates a major problem because 1B is obviously blocked, outfield doesn't make sense, and their roster is constructed in a way that virtually guarantees some older, more expensive player will need significant at-bats from the DH slot in the relatively near future. There's a very good chance that Montero is a prospect with nowhere to play, so if you can exchange him for something of value, especially before it becomes plainly obvious that you have nowhere to play him, I'm all for it.
Travis G.: Really tough call, but yes. I love Montero and think he'll be a star, but if a true top-of-the-rotation starter, 25 or younger, were available (think Kershaw, Strasburg, Felix, etc.), then I'd have to say good-bye (as well as to Manny Banuelos+).
Brandon C.: Toughest question of them all. For Danks, no, but for someone like Clayton Kershaw of course yes. Someone in between is a tough call, but I'd lean towards no. A bat like Montero doesn't come around very often, the starter would have to be proven.
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way to take a stand
Brandon C: I honestly believe the Yankees will end up with Yu Darvish, trade for a pitcher that has not been rumored yet, or stand pat. Most likely just stand pat.
So they might do one thing, do something completely else, or another thing completely opposite? Duly noted.
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by Cory Braiterman on Dec 8, 2011 12:12 PM EST reply actions
I definitely didn’t rule out the Yankees signing another free agent pitcher not named Darvish, or trading for a pitcher rumored already.
Most likely just stand pat.
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Most likely one of those things.
1. He did say which he thought was most likely
2. If he or anyone else not employed by the Yankees chose just one, it would be nothing more than a complete and total stab in the dark
by MichaelGGBGrabow on Dec 8, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Cespedes is a tough call
If you sign him for 6/36 or whatever and he’s a solid major league outfielder his contract is a bargain. If he’s better than solid, it’s a steal.
But you also have the risk that he won’t be a major league quality player at all and you get no return on that investment.
Does anyone know if signing bonus payments count toward the luxury tax? If his contract is similar to Chapman’s a lot of it would be signing bonus, and if those payments aren’t taxed, that’d be one reason he’d interest the Yankees a lot.
Also a thought about the posting system…let’s say the Yankees didn’t want Darvish for $120 mil but they didn’t want him on an AL rival either. If you’re unable to sign the posted player you get the posting fee back, so what would stop them from winning the bid and then offering him a lowball contract that they knew he wouldn’t sign to prevent him from going anywhere else? Is there some type of clause that requires the winning bidder to negotiate in good faith? If so, who decides what’s in good faith?
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Dec 8, 2011 12:54 PM EST reply actions
Montero comments are honest
NYY brass does not seem to think much of his future as a catcher.
IF the right young frontline pitcher was availale I would reluctantly agree to move him. But only for the right deal.
I’d prefer to see some MLB at bats for him and innings catching. It is entirely possible that he will be so damn good hitting that you cannot afford to lose him at all – and you further jam up the DH slot.
We will only know when he plays in NY
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Whether they have somewhere to play him or not...
You have to extract as much value from him as you can, whether its as a player or as a piece in a trade. You don’t want to trade him for a 2nd tier pitcher and then have a top tier pitcher become available later on and have nothing left to get him with.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Dec 8, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
if hes not a catcher then trade him while he has value
a guy needs to play and if its not at catcher and its not in the outfield, then he cant play. so i would trade him in a heartbeat.
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don’t wanna sound obnoxious but Darvish is not japanese-iranian but japanese, otherwise every black player is an african american. His nationality is japanese and we live in a racially mixed society, better get used to it.
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Darvish is Japanese-Iranian and most if not all black players in the U.S are African-American.
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by Livestrong77nyy on Dec 8, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
He's Iranian-Japanese
Just like many people in the US would describe themselves as Polish-American, Italian-American, Irish-American, etc.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Dec 8, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
“"I was born and raised in Japan, so I believe myself 100 percent Japanese," he says. "My dad is Iranian, but he’s got a lot of Japanese tastes, personality. I was surrounded by Japanese people, so I totally think I’m Japanese."”
It doesn’t make your perception wrong but a lot of people have foreign origins and when it’s not obvious, it’s not quoted. I think it’s more correct to go with nationality. But it’s a detail and I don’t wanna create an argument about that, I enjoyed the piece.
The Yankees are spending money the way the Twins or Pirates usually do.
I really don’t think that all of the austerity to date has been to save up for Darvish, I think it’s to reduce payroll to avoid penalties and revenue sharing under the new CBA.
I also think that most of the teams that have signed huge free agent contracts have realized that they haven’t worked out and have left teams with hamstrung budgets. The Yankees said Tuesday they want a payroll under $189m within 2 years. I don’t see any 9 figure investments coming up.
by designatedquitter on Dec 8, 2011 2:08 PM EST reply actions
The Yankees used to be a big market team like them...
Then they took an arrow to the knee.
by lololol on Dec 8, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Haha
Not PSA, but I’ve seen it referenced all over SBN.
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by Hasan Paliwala on Dec 8, 2011 5:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
For Me
and I think I’ve said this before, but the only guys I’d accept for Montero would be Kershaw or Hernandez. I’m not sure I’d risk Strasburg but only because he had the dreaded Tommy John Surgery so early in his career. Plus-though I know this is not the intent of the Nats-they have Bryce Harper who could play catcher if need be and also the Ramos kid they just rescued who had a promising year last year.
As far as getting new pitching I think there’s going to be some kind of big splash. Whether it’s trading GGBG or AJ, or signing Darvish, etc., I believed Cash when he said that this off season’s focus was “Pitching, Pitching, Pitching.”
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Dec 8, 2011 2:48 PM EST reply actions
Off the top of my head, players who'd be worth us including Montero for...
Felix Hernandez, Jered Weaver, Tim Lincecum (with extension only), Mat Latos, Clayton Kershaw, Justin Upton, Justin Verlander, Ryan Braun, Yovani Gallardo, Ricky Romero, David Price, Evan Longoria, Cole Hamels (with extension only), Mike Stanton, Tommy Hanson, Jason Heyward, Stephen Strasburg.
Of course none of these guys are available.
So keep Montero.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Dec 8, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Forgot about Lincecum
I think he’d would be my third pitcher. If we’re talking hitters that’s a different story. Braun, Stanton, and Heyward would all be acceptable for me. Wouldn’t mind Longo but can’t really see that happening.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Dec 8, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
You know what will be funny?
Now the Angels will get all the attention the Red Sox got before last season was even close to starting. I can only hope they have the same results.
I also never want to hear that moron Rev complain about the Yankees expenditures again.
Rev is such a reasonable dude
Makes the loons on this site look like hacks. Specially that weird Pakistani guy.
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by Hasan Paliwala on Dec 8, 2011 3:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
who is this guy? I see him referenced fairly often
by MichaelGGBGrabow on Dec 8, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Rev?
Go to http://www.halosheaven.com
Remember to check your sanity in at the door. There’s some excellent people there – Suboptimal is one – but Rev calls it “my blog” and generally acts like a paranoid asshole.
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by Hasan Paliwala on Dec 8, 2011 5:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Their managers being under the heading "leaders of the free world"
and the code of conduct tells me all I need to know about that site
by MichaelGGBGrabow on Dec 8, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Now that Wilson is off the market
I hope Cashman still has his agent’s phone number and contacts him about Oswalt.
is there a possibility of montero ever developing into a corner OF. i would think his arm would be a plus, right?
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If you’ve watched Montero for any length of time, you know the outfield was never a real option.
Not that anyone ever said that before…
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