Yankees/MLB Hot Stove Report: Hanley Won't Move, Pujols, Kuroda OK On East Coast
by Travis G on Dec 6, 2011 6:08 PM EST
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PrintThe chance that Hanley Ramirez gets traded seems higher by the day. He informed team officials that he does not want to play third base. It makes one appreciate A-Rod just a little more.
- The Marlins also seem to be the front-runners for 1B Albert Pujols.
- Hiroki Kuroda is willing to pitch on the East Coast, and the Yankees do employ his former catcher, Russell Martin. Other than that, very little's going on in Yankee-land.
- Updates: The Pirates inked Nate McClouth to a one-year deal. The Mets acquired four players: Andres Torres, Frank Francisco, Jon Rauch and Ramon Ramirez. That's a whole lot mediocrity right there.
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Is Hanley Ramirez wrong for not wanting to be moved to 3rd base?
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 6, 2011 6:19 PM EST reply actions
He’s not WRONG to not want to play another position when his team signed another shortstop despite already having one.
If you’re going purely on talent, Jeter should have moved to 3rd when we traded for A-Rod. No one expected him to because he was already the Yankee shortstop.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 6, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
oh i see what you're saying
but business is business i suppose.
I wonder what it would be like if Jeter moved to third…
No way would that ever happen
I can’t see many incumbents doing that, specially not when they’re one of the biggest superstars in the sport, not just on their team. And Jeter was that in 2004.
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by Hasan Paliwala on Dec 6, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
The Marlins are certainly within their rights to upgrade the position, especially because they have concerns about Hanley’s size and his ability to play shortstop going forward. However, Hanley doesn’t really have to do them a solid by moving to 3rd after they kind of shit on him. They should have gauged his internet in switching positions beforehand so they could have already been working on something if he wasn’t going to be amicable, instead of finding all this out after the fact.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 6, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure they had some idea of what would happen
instead of going blindly through this. At least I hope. A team doesn’t just trade a franchise player at the drop of a hat, especially if they just replaced him with a more expensive, marginally better version of himself. Reyes and Ramirez would be more interesting for the 2012 Marlins than Reyes and dumping Ramirez.
If Hanley isn’t going to play 3rd, I’m not sure they have a lot of choice. He’s the kind of player who I think could make their lives hell if they don’t give him what he wants, which at this point, is to be traded.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 6, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
that's very true
but they need to sit down with him and work it out now, that way they don’t go into desperation mode trying to find someone to take him and then get nothing.
If I was the Marlins I would sit down and talk to Hanley and try to work this all out, but if he doesn’t want to play another position I would look around for someone to take him soon. The Giants (Matt Cain) and Braves (any of their pitchers) are the first people I’d call.
Marlins, who inquired about Gio Gonzalez, also have some interest inWandy Rodriguez
Hanley for Wandy? Yikes to that trade. I think the Astros would be the only winners of that.
I don't think Hanley would be too pleased
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didn't he say something along the lines of "it's up to them"
when there was talk of this to begin with?
by MichaelGGBGrabow on Dec 7, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
I dont think he is wrong to want to stay at his position..
i understand Reyes is the far superior player, but im sure the Marlins didnt even talk to Hanley before signing reyes.. and he has been there a long time… So why should he give them the easy way out when they basically stuck a shiv in his back by signing reyes.
concerning the Gardner rumor
According to baseball sources, the Yankees shot down the Nats’ attempts to deal for Gardner
Does this mean he’s not getting traded or Cashman likes what the A’s have better?
I'll say this regarding Cashman
He’s always been very fond of Gardner
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 6, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
It's the bald head, IGYAR
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by Hasan Paliwala on Dec 6, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Well what were the bats offering for Gardner
I don't want to hear anymore CP3 to the Knicks trade rumors
Sorry I meant nats
I don't want to hear anymore CP3 to the Knicks trade rumors
Most Nats fans want to build an offer around LHP John Lannan
Lannan’s a solid #4 or a good #5 pitcher, but I keep telling the Nats fans that there is no way the Yankees take that deal. I’d be pretty steamed if they did, actually.
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….But yeah, no way.
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Even if he asks for 3 years?
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by Hasan Paliwala on Dec 6, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
That makes sense
On a two year deal, he’d be just about perfect. Pay the man.
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by Hasan Paliwala on Dec 6, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
Have Hughes battle Burnett for the rotation spot.
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Sign Edwin Jackson for Rafael Soriano money, move A.J. into Tim Wakefield 6th starter territory. Keep the outfield intact.
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Edwin Jackson for Soriano money? Not disagreeing, but curious to see the reasoning. Maybe even in front page form!
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Jackson, Buerhle and Kuroda
those are the top three pitchers I would want the Yankees to sign. Though i doubt they sign anyone.
This is BORING!
Even if they’re not going to do anything, the Yanks should just have a few god chats with Pujols/Fielder and make it look like something’s up. Just to make everyone panic lol!
I don't think Cashman wants to come across as too disingenuous
He talked to Crawford last year because it was Boston, but you don’t want free agents to think you’re stringing them along, even if it raises their price.
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by Hasan Paliwala on Dec 6, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Lol
I think he should start taking an agent’s cut, then. It could certainly help Wilson.
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by Hasan Paliwala on Dec 6, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
That's actually a great idea!
“You pay to talk with Cashman” lol
Sucks at hitting
I don't want to hear anymore CP3 to the Knicks trade rumors
He's an above average catcher...
We’ve just been spoiled with Posada all these years
Oh I know he is a decent catcher but that does not excuse his terrible hitting
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Nope.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 6, 2011 7:25 PM EST reply actions
Billy Beane is stupid if he thinks he can get that
I don't want to hear anymore CP3 to the Knicks trade rumors
Montero (2010) = Cliff Lee
Montero (2011) > Montero (2010)
Cliff Lee >> Gio
Montero (2011) = Gio???? No Way!
Montero AND ManBan/Dellin. Dude is on crack.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 6, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
And yet
Montero < Martin
So…
Martin > Cliff Lee & Gio
MYSTERIOUS
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Martin for Gio!
I’d carry Martin across the country if I had to. No car!
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Therefore, Martin for Gio *and prospects*!
Cashman should send that reasoning to Billy Beane.
Hopefully that’s the end of all Gio rumors
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Dec 6, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Why are we even interested in Gio? Huge walk totals, massive home/away splits in a pitcher friendly ballpark, and his results haven’t even been that good. Pass, especially at that ridiculous price.
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exactly
I’m not that impressed with him. If we could get him for cheap, of course go after him, but not at the price of some talented players.
There’s no way that the A’s would part with him for less than a huge overpay of prospects, so say thanks but no thanks and move on.
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Or...........or
We go to his home and kidnap him!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 6, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Hey HEY
We ask the questions around here. It’s your job to answer them!
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Move Boone Logan to the rotation.
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What do you think of the other A’s starters?
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Gio's the best one
Cahill and Anderson are both worse I think.
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McCarthy is there, too.
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Dec 6, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
Trade for Dallas Braden and have him fight A-Rod in the clubhouse.
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A-Rod can break him more
Just for fun. I don’t like Braden.
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Brett Anderson is their best pitcher, but he can’t stay healthy
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by Jedi Master A-Rod on Dec 6, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
How did there just happen to be a graph of all three of these lying around? Unless you made this. Can fangraphs do that?
Gio may have a high Whip, but he does other things well that the other two guys don’t do as well. He strikes out a lot of guys too, which Cahill doesn’t. Anderson is probably better than each but he’s not all that durable.
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x
You can compare players on Fangraphs.
And:
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 6, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
Whats the blue line mean?
And I said Gio strikes out more than Cahill, not Anderson. I agree that Anderson is probably better than both, but his injury history is concerning in any trade.
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It’s league average.
It’s really not enough of a difference to even remark on. Certainly not enough to claim that Gio is better than them.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 6, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
Thats not the only reason
Gio in 2010: 200 innings, 171 hits, 7.67 K/9, 7.4% HR rate, 3.23 ERA and a WAR of 3.2
Gio in 2011: 202 innings, 175 hits, 8.78 K/9, 8.9% HR rate, 3.12 ERA, and a WAR of 3.5 (which I think is lower than it should be, but whatever).
Cahill in 2010: 196 innings, 155 hits, 5.40 K/9, 11.2% HR rate, 2.97 ERA and a WAR of 2.2
Cahill in 2011: 207 innings, 214 hits, 6.37 K/9, 11.6% HR rate, 4.16 ERA, and a WAR of 2.5.
Cahill gives up far more hits, strikes out less, gives up home runs at a higher rate, and his ERA is a full run higher in 2011. Cahill also got worse from 2010 to 2011 while Gio got better (though the WAR is similar from one year to the next in both players). I think Gio’s a better pitcher.
I never said either were better than Anderson- I just think Anderson’s injuries make him less desirable in a trade than Gio or Cahill.
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Yes, you did.
Gio’s the best one
Cahill and Anderson are both worse I think.
You know who has astoundingly similar numbers to Gio the past 2 years? Wandy Rodriguez and Bruce Chen. Color me not very impressed.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 6, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Infamous warrior.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 6, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Not what I meant then
Worse to get in a trade is what I would say.
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He's a good pitcher
Probably not an ace, but he’s young, has had rising strikeout totals in each of the last two years, a very good ERA, relatively low BAA and he pitches a lot of innings. And he’ll probably just keep getting better. I wouldn’t trade huge prospects for him, but at the right price I think he’d be an excellent #2 starter.
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Yea... thats not happening
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Unrelated, but so far I love my iPhone.
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Oh, good. It’s hard not to love, so I’m not surprised.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 6, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Still trying to get used to the typing, but that’s the case with every phone. Any app suggestions?
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Words with Friends, Shazam, Temple Run, Pandora, Twitter for iPhone…
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 6, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
What’s shazam?
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If you hear a song playing on the radio/on tv/anywhere and like it but don’t know what it is, you can press a button on the app and it will tell you the name and artist.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 6, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
Ohh that’s awesome. Is there any app that plays your songs and you have to guess which one it is? The nano automatically puts it on your ipod.
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I think it’s called Guess Your Songs or something, but I’m not positive. I don’t have it.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 6, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
Got it, thanks.
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I also quite like the ESPN ScoreCenter app for keeping up with scores.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 6, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
a scary movie Shaq made a while ago
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This is the 2nd GM
to request Montero and one of the Killer B’s for a less than absolute ACE starter. The bourbon and branch must really be flowing at these Winter Meetings.
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by tnredneckyankeesfan on Dec 6, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
Mariners, Cubs trying to get Prince. Marlins want a decision from Pujols tonight, already discussed a possible contract with the MLB.
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it would be epic
if he and Reyes are both signed by the MarLOLins just in time for the SEC investigators to shut down the whole thing.
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by natteringnabob on Dec 7, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Good
David Ortiz is expected to accept the Red Sox’s arbitration offer, ESPN Deportes reports.
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Good that people will stop suggesting the Yankees sign him.
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Pujols mulling three offers, third team unknown.
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It'll be the Nippon Ham Fighters
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That mystery team..
Must be pretty good by now. They’re in on every free agent.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Dec 6, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
In on every one, wind up with no one
Maybe the mystery team needs to be more aggressive in these negotiations.
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It's the Carmen Sandiego's
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 6, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
Pittsburgh Pirates
ULTIMATE TWIST.
BOB NUTTING FOUND THAT RAINY DAY FUND
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I kind of thought he would be closer to A-Rod money
Maybe not the $300, but a lot more than $200
But what do I know
by NYYankeeDude on Dec 6, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
Arod's conract probably scared some people
also a power hitting SS/3B with 50 hr potential is harder to find than a 1st basemen i guess.
Given their lack of interest in Wilson so far, I bet it's Texas
by PortlandYankee on Dec 6, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
But given what Joel Sherman is saying, it's the Cubs
Probably to drive the price up for STL.
by PortlandYankee on Dec 6, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Looks like the Angels are the mystery team
The competition for the biggest prize on the free agent market doesn’t appear to be the two-horse race we expected. Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports (via Twitter) that the Angels are also pursuing Albert Pujols. Joel Sherman of the New York Post adds that an AL official insisted to him today that the Angels were in on Pujols, though an official with the Halos denied it (Twitter links).
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/angels-pursuing-albert-pujols.html
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by bluecheese999 on Dec 6, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Still waiting on that 10 year, 300 million dollar deal Kei Igawa will be rewarded with...
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He must have lost a bet
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It would be pretty funny
If Hanley Ramirez’s only appearance in a Miami Marlins uniform was the unveiling.
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Looks like the Mets just signed Frank Francisco… lol
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More Mets silliness
YankeesWFAN Sweeny Murti
Mets have traded Angel Pagan to Giants for OF Andres Torres and RHP Ramon Ramirez.
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Ramon Ramirez is a really nice pickup
though they replaced Pagan with an older, crappier version of Pagan.
Jon Rauch, Frank Francisco, Andres Torres, Ramon Ramirez vs. Nobody
I’m glad I root for the team that just got nobody
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This offseason isn't over yet
And I can’t remember the last offseason the Yankees did absolutely nothing. Something significant, whether it’s a trade or a FA signing, is going to happen to this team before the end of this offseason. It’s just how it works with this team.
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There was last offseason...
But the Steinbrenners were so horrified by the idea of not spending money that they took $37 million and set it on fire in the form of Rafael Soriano.
So I’m sure we can expect something similar.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Dec 6, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
I supported signing Soriano last offseason, but not to the price of 11 million dollars a year, and the opt out clauses just make it worse. Essentially they bid against themselves for him, and now he’s taking up money that could go to a need this offseason.
Best case scenario for him is he has a dominant season, helps the Yankees win a championship by playing a key role out of the bullpen, and then promptly opts out.
Still, point is, something will happen this offseason. Whether it’s smart or not, there will be a significant transaction with the Yankees by the time pitchers and catchers report. I just hope it’s a good one.
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You know...
I could use $37 Million
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 6, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
I though signing CC was a big move
in many ways – LOLOL
by NYYankeeDude on Dec 6, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
And they signed Freddy, and picked up options for Cano and Swisher
But, they all amount to keeping guys that were on the 2011 roster. I’ll be shocked if there is not a single new face on the opening day 25 man roster in 2012.
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