29 Trades for 29 Teams: Cincinnati Reds
Yankees Get: Homer Bailey, Bill Bray, Juan Francisco
Reds Get: Rafael Soriano, Brett Gardner, rights to Hiroyuki Nakajima, $6 million
For the Reds: The Reds are in a good position to contend in 2012 and they know it. The NL Central has been weakened, having lost arguably its two best hitters in free agency, and, regardless of the ridiculous package they gave up to get him, Cincinnati has improved with the acquisition of =Mat Latos.
One thing the Reds lack, assuming they’re smart enough to realize hat Aroldis Chapman belongs in the rotation, is a closer. Francisco Cordero and Ryan Madson are old and pricey, which could make the shorter commitment to Rafael Soriano attractive. He pitched well in the 2nd half of 2011 and the Yankees eating about 1/2 of his 2012 salary would sweeten the pot. The Reds would be betting that he’d pitch well enough that he’d decide not to cash in on his 2013 option, but that’s a fairly decent bet, especially if he’s adding to his value by collecting saves, which general managers care about for some reason.
Brett Gardner is a great fit for the Reds. He’d be a high quality table-setter in front of Phillips, Votto and Bruce. He’d also improve their defense in center field by pushing the below average Drew Stubbs to left.
As of now, Cincinnati would go into the season with Paul Janish or Zack Cozart as their starting shortstop. If they can sign him and if he can field the position, Hiroyuki Nakajima would probably be an upgrade over either of those two.
For the Yankees: I thought about asking for Mike Leake instead of Homer Bailey, but I can’t imagine the Reds doing that. At any rate, with Latos, Johnny Cueto, Leake and Bronson Arroyo locked into rotation spots, Bailey seems like the odd man out if Chapman pushes his way in. That’s a shame, because Bailey can pitch. Despite being labeled a “bust” so far, he’s shown steady improvement the last couple years (3.75 FIP/3.74 xFIP in 2010, 4.06 FIP/3.77 xFIP in 2011), and he’s still only 25. His health remains a question mark and “Homer” is a pretty terrible name for a pitcher, but he’s got swing-and-miss stuff that could get AL East hitters out.
There are two ways to solve the Yankees left-handed relief problem. The first is to abandon the LOOGY concept entirely, but since that isn’t happening, the next-best bet is to get lefty relievers who can actually get lefties out. Despite struggling with his control, Bill Bray held lefties to a .557 OPS in 2011. With Sean Marshall on board he’s fairly expendable for Cincinnati.
Finally, Juan Francisco’s a decent 3b prospect who could serve as A-Rod’s caddie and get more and more time there as the Centaur transitions to DH over the next couple years. Francisco’s played a few games in the outfield in the minors, so he’d be worth a look there as well.
This trade would be a gamble, but if the Yankees want to avoid high-end free agents and still preserve the farm system, they need to start gambling.
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I'm pretty sure you can't trade negotiating rights
and I would not trade Gardner for Homer Bailey. Bailey’s walk rate has dropped but so has his K/9 and his Ground ball rate along with his homerun rate. I looked into Bill Bray when I was trying to think of a trade with the Reds. Bray and Logan are pretty similar. Bray is pretty much the same against righties and lefties, while Boone is slightly better than him against lefties and absolutely awful against Righties. I could go for Bray
Using Sky Kalkman’s trade value calculator, which I cannot use very well, the presence of Brett Gardner makes this whole trade unbalanced
Homer Bailey: $6M
Bill Bray: $4.7M
+ Juan Francisco, who was the Reds’ #7 prospect according to Baseball America, but not in the top 100 overall (I don’t know how to value him).
Rafael Soriano: -$0.1M
Brett Gardner: $49.6M
+ Hiroyuki Nakajima, who posted decent numbers in what would be considered AAAA
+ an extra $6M
You are correct. Brett Gardner is far more valuable than anyone in this trade. I use the calculator, as well.
For WAR projections, generally drop half a win per year as you go farther into the future. You can make adjustments, too, so maybe keep Gardner’s WAR around 5.5 or so throughout his prime.
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by Frank Campagnola on Dec 31, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
On gardner
I’ve always found the advanced statistical valuations of him to be a bit unrealistic. I have a hard time believing that gms rate him as highly as fan graphs and company do and on top of that the yankees don’t maximize his value in how they use him – batting him 9th and playing him in left rather than center. By the time grander son reaches free agency Gardner will be over 30 and looking for a new contract of his own. The long term deals given out to those types of players – Juan Pierre, Dave Roberts, chone fig gins have all been disasters. I’m not trying to bash Gardner or say the yankees should deal him just to deal him but I also don’t think he’s worth as much as his war suggests.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Dec 31, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
Even if he's not worth what his WAR suggests, he could probably grab a better pitcher than Bailey
Also, with Soriano, even though he’s expensive and coming off a bad year, he was still what, the best closer two seasons ago? His price tag fits that of a good closer, and that’s a need for the Reds right now, isn’t it? I don’t know if I’d sell him at such a discount.
Why is everyone obsessed with Felix?
I would not give up the killer B’s or Montero for this guy! Why the heck is everyone obsessed with him?
by JBBY on Dec 31, 2011 2:08 PM CST
by SandalsNoPants on Jan 1, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
I also wonder
how Gardner would fare in a less loaded lineup.
Gardner hit 1st in 264 PAs last season.
Gardner hit 3rd in 1 PA.
Gardner hit 5th in 3 PA.
Gardner hit 6th in 9 PA.
Gardner hit 7th in 40 PA.
Gardner hit 8th in 89 PA.
Gardner hit 9th in 182 PA.
*Note: I think of him as always hitting 9th, but he actually hit 1st more often, and only barely hit 8th+9th more often than first.
Gardner was one of the Yankees best offensive producers last season. He came to bat 225 times in just under 600 PA with men on, I wonder how other teams would pitch to him, and how he would respond, if there were fewer runners on base in front of him.
It’s also unlikely that the Yankees trade Soriano, because right now, he’s so un-valuable. He’s expensive and just posted a not so good season. While he’s likely to bounce back, his trade value is very low, as recent performance > not guaranteed future performance.
He's a salary dump in this deal
The suddenly budget conscious Yankees would save 6 mil which they could use elsewhere during the season. Even if he has a good year there’s nothing he can do in the role he’s in to be worth what the Yankees are paying him.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Dec 31, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
But his value is so low, it’s simply not smart to trade him. Not only that, his value will rise next season. Like what SandalsNoPants said above, Soriano was one of the best closers a couple seasons ago, and he showed it at times. Obviously, no reliever, not even Mariano, can pitch up to their contracts, but that doesn’t mean we should trade him.
by bloppy_ploppy on Jan 1, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
i wouldn't want the yanks doing this deal
I think Gardner’s value is verrrry verrrrry overrated by members of this site but he doesn’t have this little value either.
value is not the same as talent
He may not be the best but he is ridiculously valuable for what he is paid. You miss the point entirely of why ‘members of this site’ find him so valuable…and why Cashman still hangs on to him.
He is not overrated
He just has immense trade value. And to clarify, trade value is NOT value in general. Curtis Granderson, CC, and Cano were all more (much more) valuable in 2011 than Brett Gardner was. But Brett Gardner has more trade value. Why? Because as jetanumba2 said, his production to salary ratio his extremely high. Someone paid at the league minimum shouldn’t be producing 4-5 WAR annually. While CC had like a 7 WAR, he was paid like, oh I don’t know, like 30 times the amount Gardner was paid. He is a very good outfielder, but we like him mostly because he is verrrry verrrrry underpaid for his production.
by bloppy_ploppy on Jan 8, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
I just don't buy Gardner's "immense" trade value
I think at best a deal centered around Gardner would bring back a mid-rotation innings eater type starter, and I think that would require B-level prospects being included with Gardner.
If we agree that Gardner’s on-field value to the Yankees is limited, and if indeed he has so much value in a trade, wouldn’t the Yankees consider trading him? And I know as fans its hard to judge the potential interest in Gardner around the league, but it is true that he’s never one of the names supposedly asked for when the Yankees sniff around an available player.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jan 9, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
The Yankees don’t really consider trading him (that we know of) because he does provide value on the field. He provides a 4-5 WAR a year, which is probably just below All-star level. He also provides elite defense and baserunning, which helps especially when you consider the aging lineup that is centered around power hitting. The Yankees keep him around because he produces, and he’s cheap, which are the same reasons he also has high trade value.
I feel like the Yankees also wouldn’t trade him because by trading away a productive, young, cheap outfielder for say, pitching, they would just be filling one need (pitching) by creating another need (outfield). No one else behind Gardner could come in and provide such value for such cost. It’d be sort of like saying we don’t trade Cano because we don’t have a viable replacement for him at second base. Yes, that’s a bad (horrible) analogy, but hopefully you get my point.
by bloppy_ploppy on Jan 10, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions

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